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What'S an avadhoot? I'm really hearing it for the first time. Sukadeva was a paramhamsa...rather the baap of your ordinary paramhamsas.Who is paramhamsa? A bhakta paramhamsa is something different...He...errr...experiences like 100000000000000 times the happiness that a normal paramhamsa experiences....(Soryy..couldn't control extolling the bhakta:pray: ) Now shukadeva was such a normal paramhamsa..He used to see himself(atma) everywhere he went...Now...it so happened that this naked paramhamsa left home,wandering aimlessly in Bhramanand. Vedavyasa grew worried.He sent his devotee after shukadeva with a certain instruction. The instruction was thus,"Repeat this worse carefully in Shuka's ear." and Veda Vyasa gave him a particular verse from bhagvatam describing a particular pastime of the Supreme Lords Kalua and Balua. The disciple started to say the verse in Shuka's ear. SNAP !! Shuka shook his head in utter confusion.His samadhi had SNAPPED. Just like that.He sat up in full alertness,his ears now straining to take in each and every word describing the all spiritual lord. When the disiple finished reciting,Shuka manifested the ashta-sattvik bhavas and after coming to his senses begged the disiple to tell him who taught him the verse. As soon as he got the answer,HE RAN LIKE the wind and fell straight at his father's feet and implored him to read the Bhagvatam. Now,the reader should keep in mind that this is not the samadhi that ordinary yogis have ...this is Bhramanand class samadhi.It JUST DOESN"T BREAK.Why? Becz the person in samdhi feels so much of happiness that he doesn't get distracted,attached or attracted to ANYTHING,INCLUDING Bhramaloka-anand. How come this happened? Well,A person situated in shuddha sattva,(None of the devas,Pitras,etc are situated in shuddha sattva.They are under Sattva,Rajas and tamas) and by the causeless mercy of the Bhagvata or Bhagavan,if somehow,he hears about the Supreme lord,he immediately clings on to the feet of the supreme Lord and never leaves them again. Obviously. There are only two ways.Shreya(surrendering to the Lord) Preya(surrendering to Maya) So obviously,the ordinary paramhamsa has given up Preya marga.There's only one place to go after death...the Bhramjyoti. But if by some causeless mercy,he comes in contact with the Lord somehow,he THROWS away his Bhramananda .Now he's experienced a glimpse of Premananda....He has no 'cleansing of heart' to perform before actually recieving prema.The Merciful Prema Bhakta automatically bestows his mercy,enabling the paramhamsa to experience premananda himself,making him eternally bound to the lord. He obviously denounces bhramananda as a bitter thing. Sanaka -aadik paramhamsas,while travelling in the similar state of samadhi,passed the material manifestation and into the para vyoma/spirtual sky. There,the fragrance of the tulsi leaves on Sri NArayana's feet entered his nostrils.He sat awake,totally bewildered.Coming to know the cause of his extreme ecstasy,he said,"I declare that Bhramananda is like a hoof print full of water compared to the ocean of divine bliss experienced in Sri Vaikuntha." Paroksha vado vedoyam balanamanushasanam. Veda Vyas says,"There is paroksha vaad in vedas " paroksha vaad means....one thing is written but it's meaning is completely different. Read between Veda vyasa's lines:" your material khopdis are not going to understand one thing of it" Veda Bhramatm vishaya. "veda is Bhram swarup." Further, "Shabda Bhrama su durgodam, prane-indriya-mano-mayam, ananta baram gambhiram, durvighayam samutravat" How will you understand the vedas?? You can read it millions of times...but it's like a ocean...You'll never understand with your material sense,intellect or mind. So now tell me,why should anyone accept your interpretation of the verse which you quoted? Why are you turning it around...?

Yeah and when they bathe in viraja and approach goloka,Sri krsna,Sri radha and their eternal sva-amsas as well as vibhinna amsas are all waiting with smiles and open arms just to embrace you....Just imagine...finally getting to see Goloka Actually !!! Radhe!Radhe !

Mayavadis CAN never be eliminated....Thank God for that.Without them the kali yuga just doesn't seem right,don't you think?? And if you say that Mayavdis have existed since before Kaliyuga,Point out one single mahatma who endorsed monism alone and achieved Bhramananda without Sri Krsna's grace. And by the way,OUR scriptures means what ? With the proper Bhakta in charge,you give me any vedic scripture,he'll show you WHOSE scripture it is,Vaishnav or Mayavadi. Forget Vedic scripture...You give him even a realised fakir's writings he'll tell you who is the center of all scriptures. I think you'll know which Bhakta i'm talking about...but i just don't feel like i should take the name a lot...It doesn't go down well with envious mayavadis. bhakti is the easiest way to God? IT is thw ONLY way to God. And i'm not saying God in His Bhagavan feature.Bhakti is also the only means by which you can ever go and drown yourself in the bhramn drava/jyoti.

You know 99.9999% of the Mayavadis don't even follow Shankar bhashya.Half of them incline towards buddhism,others hail Quantum mechanics as their other saviour and the left overs merely come prancing here based solely upon their mental speculations. Anyway,whatever you believe in...or you don't believe in.... The challenge still stands. you see I AM NOT Jadguru Sri kripaluji Maharaj.HE IS SOMEWHERE in North india(Vrndavan,Barsna or maybe mangarh). So instead of posting a million different views,go sort out with him or just sit where you are,revelling in your own respective mental achievements and intelligence(I know what bhramn is.I am bhramn.)And then when your wives/mothers/children start creating inconvenient disturbances,start fighting back like dogs and cats. But you are bhramn na ? You have that realisation/conviction. Array go to hell with bhramn...My son has just died. Now where is your "Jagat mithya verse?"

What waste of time. Take the puranas.read them.that's history. Don't apply too much brains. You'll figure out zilch if you do. Vivekananda is quite interesting really...His master,ramakrishna,was quite some devotee and this fellow turned out to be something else in totality. I remember reading once that he was quite confused when a particular deity of some goddess in the temple spoke to him..He became astonished and started questing whether God was formless or He took all various forms... I really thought it was an intelligent question that time...But now? hehe... His master said clearly,"The ocean is greater than land and the planetary system is greater than the ocean.But greatest of all is the Mahatma's heart which always houses sri Vishnu's feet which covered these three." It's actually common knowledge. A mahatma is called a mahatma ONLY AND ONLY if he's surrendered totally to Sri Krsna.There's no loop hole at all..... I think i've deviated a tad bit too much.......

Bhaktajan, I really like the verse which you've quoted SB 10.14.8 This verse really sums the process of bhakti up.....We're supposed to be yearning for His seva and prema from the heart 24/7 and all I really do is just write here and try to pose as some great jnyani.... I'm just a fat head really.

Ranjit:Conscience can be raised? Srikant: Yes! RANJIT:Wow i din't know that.Now consciousness is already infinite,right.?Srikant: yes... Ranjit:Okay,I'll double my conscience and then can i pervade/control inhabit two bodies at once?? Srikant: errr....i don-t...I-i-i-i'm nnnot ssso sure of THAT. Ranjit: Why? It's only logical...If my conscience is going to increase...,my potential in going to increase...i should be able to inhabit two bodies at once...control them at once...This will make me firmly believe that i'm slowly uncovering my 'SELF'. NOW do you know why you can't speculate.You speculate,I'll speculate too.It'll only show our imagination. Real knowledge comes only from following and accepting a realised person's words. No...but i'm just suggesting...Believe me,I've no desire to slap your teacher...It's just that i was so lost into thinking that I was Bhramn,My hand was Bhramn,Your teacher was Bhramn,his cheek was Bhramn,and then a thought came in my mind that i could slap him..I was tuned to the universal consciousness....It only told me that to remove the delusion that i and your teacher are different,the bodies being just mithya,i needed to slap him.....You only said,if you conduct yourself as SELF,there is no karma..and now your saying this???? Contradiction or plain ignorance of real knowledge? I have taken support of your teachings alone and presented you these questions.Be kind as to answer them. This too you decide.

That should mean you know what lies beyond your line of sight.Okay, ranjit:how many craters are there on the moon? Srikant: can't tell. ranjit:Can't tell?Why? srikant:Becoz i can't see it from here. exactly. the jeevatma(prakash-ak) provides the power (prakash) to the senses(prakash-ika).This is the reason why you know whatever you know.That's becoz you take in everything through your senses. Ranjit:how do we tune our senses to the entire world? Srikant: ...Woh aisa hai ki...woh waisa hai ki....It's like that...it's like this. Ranjit(in his mind): your a rascal. There is no such thing as tuning the senses to anything.Nor was there ever such a thing in history...Nor will there ever be. What rascal explanation. There have been at most two incidents in history where expansions of one body have occurred. Since Bramn is itself everything,There'll be no place left to take anything from Bhramn,and nothing or no one can take away anything since they itself should be Bhramn...So your appeal that we should view it as an indication of Bhramn,is totally false. This verse refers to the PERSONALITY of Godhead who can expand is trillions of forms and still remain one. Sri Krsna: Bhramn/paramatma/and the non-intellectual's bhagavan: Expanded in 16,016 forms to display a particular leela.If veda vyasa,Parashara,shukadeva,Shankaracharya are right then this particular Person,krsna remained as He is after this expansion.His each and every expansion was Sri Krsna Himself.Such expansions were unprecedented from the point of view of even Narada,who travels the entire cosmic manifestation and knows everything,For each expansion is Sri krsna Himself.That means,His body,Himself and His personality is SAME.i.e. Each of these 16016 Sri Krsnas were Godhead,yet they were one and the same,displying His inconcievable energies. Further,If real mahatmas are to be believed,This same Sri Krsna expands into millions of incarnations every other second and enters every single atom in His paramatma/saguna/saakar feature,thus pervading entire cosmic manifestation.But even after all this show off,He remains as He is,enjoying His favourite pastimes in the spiritual variegated world. but generally these mahatmas say anything insane. Saubhari Muni: Expanded into a staggering 50 bodies with his yogic(mayic) power to enact an apparently mundane pastime of marrying 50 girls at once.Has a material body that comes with by products like urine,gases,bad odor and faeces. None of his 49 bodies/expansions enshrined the jeevatma that inhabited the original saubhari muni's body. So decide who here is the Supreme truth. You take out Rama,Nrsimha,Varaha,Balarama,Vishnu,Mahavishnu from Krsna,He still remains Krsna,Whereas Rama,Varaha,Balrama,Mahavishnu also boast of their complete Godhood.Since they are all from Krsna,they are automatically as powerful and as opulent as Him.Still,some clever people call Krsna as the master of all these Forms of Godhead,coz they know....Well forget it...your going to speculate on this anyways...Why should i give you food to commit Namapradha? Stone is conscious?? Wow....You really must start another religion. What effects are felt? I feel no effects at all. You must be on too high a level so you must be feeling these efects... but what do you mean by effects of shani dev are felt? Your addressing his body and then saying that his effects are felt within ME(not my body.) That means shani dev's qualities are felt within jeevatma? Wow.That sounds new and honestly is not in my intellectual capacity to grasp. Why are you giving defintitions for sanity. My question was regarding ut-kraanti,gati and aa-gati.Answer that.

Oh i'm over whelmed!!!!!! I'm cryiing out of the massive realisation i just had becoz of your insights!!!!! No.....wait. I don't understand some things that you've said.

how will it dawn? Who will cause it to dawn? What will you do? Think about it continuously? I CHALLENGE you.You won't be able to think about it even for 10 mins.Do you have the guts to take up my challenge? You say 'truth' like it some cheap thing.What power do YOU have to grasp the truth? You'll use your senses? hehe...grow up. You'll use your mind? a person can't even control the mind,let alone attach it to a formless entity that has no name,form,quality and action.What will you remember...what will you meditate on? Void? ,.....ummmm that's impossible. You'll use your intelligence? Let's say i've gone as insane and believe that you ARE bhramn....Still the intelligence is limited,a mere material element. You propose your intellect will grasp the all encompassing existence of Bhramn ???? Whom are you fooling? NOW tell me....Who are YOU in front of shankaracharya.? God is never a form of energy.He is the controller of all energies. Your 'proof' doesn't satisfy me in the least. Now he's comparing ordinary doctors to Ramanuja,Madhva and Nimbarka....What are you really searching for? Your trying to find God in material sansar(I'll find the Truth on my own/bodily/intellectual/mental strength.) and your trying to find sansar in God's area?(these Ramanuja,Shankara,Madhva and Nimbarka were not so great yar...their works could hardly match up to some robot who apparently can serve you tea) Yeah? Why do you read science books? A third standard child will laugh at you if you tell him that you can learn science by only thinking about it...that teachers are not necessary... that merely thinking about 'a thing' can give complete knowledge. What is your authority? That you have studied B.A. What is your intellectual capacity? That you'd come first in the 5th standard. Your faculties are glaringly inadequate for realising brhamn.You NEED Shankara's works to understand what is bhramn.You have no calibre at all in gaining even theoretical knowledge on your own. You Over estimate yourself so much..it's almost scandalous.

you don't have a choice boss.There are only two paths: one towards maya (Preya marga) and one towards bhagavan(Preya). So there cannot be a choice on the part of the jeeva to "choose" between conducting oneself as body or conducting oneself as soul. Even i can say i'm jeevatma but after a few minutes i'll say your an ass becoz you said like this like this to me. Realisation is a must first.Your mental conviction in your preposterous speculations will last only for 5 mins...after that you'll immediately start thinking about eating rasa gulla,watching matches etc.You can't control your mind....So you can't just switch 'conductance'. Nature of consciousness is to balance? But intelligence without personality exists in fool's paradise.Where does your 'consciousness' get the intelligence to 'balance'? And last time i heard,Bhramn has no nature. It's 'nature' to 'balance' is the result of your speculation.Keep it to yourself.Sometimes a person should understand that he'd be better off without excersing his intellect too much.He might think he's giving top class jnyana,but the world really looks down upon him as fool.

Gita was spoken by Lord Sri krsna,5000 years ago. All your "research's" and 'findings' are bogus and trivial speculations. You pple cannot guess correctly how far a building at the horizon is,from where your standing..and here you'll are claiming to know/'guess' the date and the author of Bhagvad Gita? Intellectuals? Hardly. No. 1 fools.

But how can they say that. Rasat vam heva labhdva nandi bhavati. By attaining Him,the jeevatma GETS ananda. He GETS rasa.He DOESN'T BECOME rasa. If that were so,why didn't every single bhakta display that he was Narayana Himself? Why did they,even after apparently tying the lord to a pillar(I'm referring to His mommy,who by the way beats Him with a stick while He does acting of crying and shivering in fear),not show that they were Narayana? Do mayavadis have intelligence or no? Bhakta- he's not displaying his virat rupa. The blue figure- ARRRRAAAAAAYYYY He's displaying His infinitude. Bhakta- is kneeling..afraid and fully conscious of his puny position the blue figure who is now the entire cosmos- is everything. Any donkey can deduce that jeevatma(arjuna) doesn't become Paramatma(Sri KRsna) even after achieving Bhava,what to speak of Prema. A tiny particle,whom Maya had covered since beginningless time,will become the controller of Maya after she is removed?? What logic is this?

I do not understand Sa ekaakii na ramate: means: He had no SPORT...Not that HE wasn't happy! Thats kind of a really naive statement to make.Sriman Narayana is SELF CONTENT. Raso vai saha. He HImself is Ananda/rasa/happiness. Through His potencies alone does happiness manifest in the material manifestation(Rasa gulla gives you happiness for 5 min.). But He is Ananda itself.Ananda and Sri krsna are NON DIFFERENT. IF it wasn't so,Shankara,Bhrama,Narada etc wouldn't fall on the ground,rolling in ecstatic bliss everytime they even see Him ! Besides,Sri Narayana's energy,Yog nidra,Puts Him in a divine slumber. This is CLEARLY mentioned in the Skanda purana(devi's purana) when Sri narada praises the Goddess.He begs the Goddess to remove Sri Narayan's divine sleep so that He could battle a particular ghastly demon. This yog nidra has the Lord engaged in constant contemplation of His multifarious,infinite,ever infinite energies and potencies and powers.This is a never ending process for His energies being infinite,Lord Narayana is mildly suprised at remembering each of His energies one by one.This task is supramundane and Maya being not able to even appear in front of Godhead,there arises no question of His happiness lasting for a specific time,being limited and reducing for that's the warp and woof of Mayic happiness. Ramana-the word is related to joy from playing a sport,a game if you will. The creation of the entire Material manifestation,it's maintenance and destruction...this act is mere sport for the Mahapurusha,Mahavishnu. There's is absolutely no reason to believe that the lord was bored or unhappy.

He's not my guru...But i have utmost respect for him. And i know which things you refer to. The abominable case of rape filed on him by a despicable class of wretched pple.The case was a shame on the part of those who filed it,for the supposed 'victim' in her 20's WAS A VIRGIN and further it WAS PROVED that it was all a hoax. While the media made it sure that the first part 'the filing of the case' got enough exposure,no one really cared about showing the real outcome. There have been so many cases in history where Vaishnavas have been slandered but i don't think that should be enough to turn me away and commit some aparadha.I'm not addressing you,I'm addressing in public. And so many of these mayavadi,smarta,shakta,shaivite tradition pple sling mud on him...I've just one thing to say: Gather all your gurus,grandgurus,jagadgurus and hold debate with Sri Maharaj ji. They don't have the guts. they are trying to convince that he's a fraud and yet they can't hold shastra arth? Why? This is the most cheap and degraded mentality. The challenge has stood . Kripaluji maharaj always jokingly says, "Agar kisne tumse kaha ki Sri krsna ke siva kuch aur bataya hai ved mein,toh use mere paas le aana.Main uska screw tight kar dunga." "If someone says that Sri krsna is not the goal,origin and knower of the vedas,get him to me.I'll fix him." No ONE has turned up yet..... These mayavadis and smartas and shaktas can only talk nonsense.They have no substance to offer. Hence,It should be understood that if a person or his philosophy cannot take on Sri kripaluji maharaj's established supremacy of sri krsna bhakti,then they should just shut up.

Srila Bhakti vinode Thakura has SMASHED,and I swear by the word,Jaimini's purva mimamsa in his treatise refuting any marga except bhakti.

Bhramn loses all importance when it comes to sadhana. Talking about it is only nonsensical. It doesn't even have a name.Not even Bhramn. question to a mayavadi:What will you meditate on ? Mayavadi : Yourself. enquirer: Myself?The body? Mayavadi: No.No.Meditate on Bhramn. enquirer: What is Bhramn? a Point? Mayavadi: No.No.Just meditate. Tulsidas says,"Kahat kathin,samujhat kathin.Sadhan kathin vivek." This Jnana marga is tough to even explain.Tougher to understand and sadhana...hehe...you think you can do it? What sadhana will you do? Talk like parrots the whole day?

ARJ,your a complete rascal.Please do not speculate on such matters. Stick to your areas of expertise viz brahm and maya.Don't utter any words besides these....they just show your 3rd class state of mind. tulsidas is not to be scorned. address to the thread starter: Ramanandi acharyas have confirmed that Valmiki incarnated as tulsidas. Besides Lord Gauranga confirms that Sita travels to Her friend,Parvati's place by way of fire.Further Gauranga consoled the Rama bhakta,"Sita has a spiritual body.Ravana's eyes couldn't even see Her orignal form of Opulence and All Maintaining power,let alone kidnap Her."

The best thing about shree vaishnavism is that it makes a point to clearly show the faults in mayavada without once straying from the essence of sastras. Kindly excuse my interruption.

Every single second,The lord is taking millions of Avataras in infinite universes. He appears fully (Rama/krsna/Gauranga) As avesha(empowered) incarnations: Vyasadeva,Buddha,Narada Expansions: Laxmana/Balarama/Nityananda prabhu Incarnations:Nrshmdeva/vamana/shukar i.e varaha/kalki/Mohini etc. Besides these the lord appears as Bhrama,Vishnu and Mahesh in each of the infinite universes.These are Guna avataras. Then there are the yuga avataras...coming down every few thousands of years....Hari,etc. So there are INFINITE,INEXHAUSTIBLE,UNCHANGING and ETERNAL forms of the Lord and they are full of Bliss. If a mahatma sees Varaha avatar he'll fall on the ground,experiencing indescribable happiness.All the forms of the lord are Spiritual.They are ALL eternal...coming down from their respective Vaikunthas for Whenever they wish.

Very good question indeed! Yes,64 crore pple died on the kurukshetra. Lord Krsna had taken a vow not to take up arms on the battlefield.He wuld only act as arjuna's Chariot driver(What leela!). But there came one point in the war when Bhisma faced arjuna in battle.Bhisma was more powerful and could easily kill Arjuna. However there is a transcendental reason to it. Bhisma wanted to fight with the Supreme Lord one on one.That was his spiritual bhava/sentiment.The Lord will turn the universe upside doen but He always fulfills His devotee's wishes. The lord arranged such an event where Bhishma and Arjuna faced each other.Actually two vaishnavas are never inimical towards each other.They are eternal friends and love each other deeply. So the Lord took up the chariot wheel on His finger to Fight off the great Bhishma.In the process His pitambar falls down and lo ! Bhishma beholds the naked lord.Such flow of transcendental Bhava and yet both Lord and devotee continue fighting with the help of Yogamaya when in actual they were enjoying each other's intense love. As Srila Prabhupada puts it,"As a lover marks her beloved,Bhishma's arrows rained incessantly on the Lord.The Lord appeared to be bleeding to the material eyes for ordinary eyes cannot pierce His veil of Yogamaya.Thus He fought with Bhishma." The lord broke His vow only to fulfill His devotee's wish.The lord can do anything. Once He summoned all the Bhramas from the infinite of universes when the four headed Bhrama of this universe had some minor ego problems. And then came 10 headed brahmas,20 headed brahmas,100 headed brahmas and then came brahmas with millions of heads for their universes were much larger than this one. So even though the concerned living entity is an avatara or guna avatara,He is always a servant of Sri Krsna. And so the Lord does anything and everything He wants.He puts forth this tremendous creation only by smiling. Such is the opulence of Godhead who is known by the names of Govinda,Shyamasundara and Mohana.

Gandiva.Obviously.............. I know it's not related but i thought the funniest thing was that although Arjuna had complete control over his mind which even the sages like Vishvamitra couldn't achieve,says to Krsna,"I'm trembling in fear for i do not want to fight my relatives." When the Lord was saying,"Mam ekam sharnam vraja" etc. arjuna might be chuckling in his mind,"This Shyamsundara is nicely teaching me.I'll teach Him later." lol.IT's funny.

it's so funny i'm crying.But the funnier thing is....How pple who know NOTHING about vedanta refute Bhagavata Dharma.

He's perhaps the only person,in my experience,who has expounded clearly as to why even sayujya mukti is impossible without sri krisna bhakti.No offense,but he alone has quoted from Shankara's long forgotten Prabodha Sudhakara,proving how even shankara accepts that Sri krsna Bhakti alone can endow sayujya mukti,thus challenging the basic concept of mayavada. (I've no complete knowledge of Srila Prabhupada's lectures,so i can't say if he's given the same proofs or no,so forgive any mistakes.)

Your chuddi buddy here has taken up the cause to ' hijack ' this thread and NOT us.