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".....Saaksat Vyaso Naarayanah Praah "- Sri Shankaracharya Saaksat Bhagavan Narayan Vyasa has written Vedas. "Aatma kriteh parinamat" Vedant sutra. BHagavan Himself becomes the Material Samsara/Manifestation. In the Bhasya of this sutra,Shankaracharya said that Srila Vyasadeva had become mad when he wrote this sutra. He further said,"There is no such thing as samsara.It is fictitious...made by the mind". Wow,perfect way of avoiding the sutra. Lets all say Srila VedaVyasa is Mad. Shankaracharya's guru : Govindacharya Gaudapadacharya Shukadeva Paramhamsa Srila Veda Vyasa. He was Sri Shankaracharya's guru's guru's guru's guru. He also called Him Saaksat Narayan. And Now he's saying he had some mental problems. Go figure.

The word used was 'Vimukha'.Turn them around.Turn them around from Me-truth to formless being-speculation. Note: This is KALIYUGA. I thought you were aware what age it was ! You should keep track of time! Chuckling of Vaishnavas: This activity is performed when Mayavadis strut around as if their philosophy is only true and Shankaracharya's views are spotless and perfect.

"Antyavasthite ce ubhaya nityatvat avisesah "Vedant-2.2.34 In the beginning,during badha avastha and after moksa,the size of Aatma remains same. "Utkraantya gatyaagatinam" vedant 2.3.19 Jeeva undergoes utkraman,gaman and aagaman. "Svatmanacha uttara yoho" 2.3.20 Gaman and aagaman,these two facts prove jeevatma is anu Vedavyasa himself doubts "Na anuh.Atashruten ritiken nah!" 2.3.21 Jeeva is not anu,for vedas are saying aatma is infinite. He Himself further gives the answer in the same verse:sometimes vedas denote Paramatma by 'aatma' "Yah aatmani tishthati" 2.3.22, 2.3.23, 2.3,24, 2.3,25, 2.3.26, 2.3.27, 2.3.28. Till here,Sri Vyasadeva HAS proved that Jeevatma is ANU(atomic). SHANKARACHARYA HAS ALSO ACCEPTED THIS in his Bhasya on these 10 brahm sutras. "Utkraanti gatyaagati shravanaani jeevasya PARICCHEDAM praapayanty " - Shaankar Bhashya Jeeva is PARICCHINN.Parichhinn means(NOT all pervasive/Anu/atomic). NOW, "Siddha Jeevatma can be addressed by "Jnyana" ,just like Bhagavan(Sat.chit.ananda) is understood by 'ananda'(anando brahmeti bajanat) only." - Brahm sutra 2.3.29 This clarifies the vedic statement that "jnyana is performing sacrifices". Jnyana means jeeva,Just like Ananda means Brahm. Here Sri Shankarachrya turned his tables.No No No ! jeevatma is all pervasive. Here(in shankar bhasya) Shankarachrya quoted 4.4.22 Brhadranyak Upanishad.He made the particular verse from B.Upanishad as Jeeva Parak(addressing Jeevatma) EVENTHOUGH He himself had quoted the same verse(B.Upanishad 4.4.22) in his commentary on Vedant sutra-2.3.21 as Brahm-parak(Addressing brahm).In this same verse,he had accepted Vedavyasa's direct conclusion that Jeevatma is anu(finite/atomic) Thus Sri Shankaracharya's Bhasya is understood NOT to corroborate with his own commentary.It is inevitably faulty.

Shankaracharya has done bhashya from Gita to smallest of all_ Vishnu sahasranaam. BUT he didn't write any Bhashya on Sri mad Bhagavatam. The first verse itself establishes Sri Krsna's Eternal position as parabrahm.

Ignorance is bliss.

"Janaan mat vimukhankuru" padma-purana. Sri Krsna told Shankarji, "Go and make everybody forget Me.Put them in ignorance." "Jaao sabko mujhse vimukh karo". Sri Shankaracharya is an incarnation of Sri Shankara. This is the reason why Sri Shankaracharya did all this naatak.Actually,all vaishnava-acaryas have a good chuckle over this intimate fact.

Kamyopasana yarthayanty anudinam kincit phalam svepsitam, kecit svargam athapavargam, apadre yogadi yajnadibhih, asmakam yadunandanamghri yugala dhyanavadhanarthinam Kim lokena damena kim nrpatina Svargapavargaizca kim? -Parbodha Sudhakara. Those who waste their time for the attainment of Svarga/heaven/Bhukti or liberation(mukti Apavarga) are FOOLS!! I do not want ANY OF THAT ! I only desire to remain engrossed in the sweet remembrance of the Lotus Feet of Sri Krsna.What is the need of heaven(bhukti) or Liberation(mukti) for the prema Bhaktas of the Lord ? Now,plz note that liberation is the ultimate word in Sakta,Shaiva,Smarta traditions.Prema Bhakti is non-existent in the above. Above verse of Sri Shankaracharya clearly defines Prema Bhaktas as superior to Karmis(Ones after bhukti) and Jnyanis(ones after Mukti). Sri Shankaracharys made his mother DO SRI KRSNA Bhakti,when she was on her death bed.He had her have the Vision of the Lord. Such things are never understood by offenders who view Sri Krsna as just another deity. Prema Bhakti is exclusive to Vaishnavism.This fact is understood by the symptoms exhibited by Shankar Bhagvan himself for Sri Ramachandra. Such symptoms and ecstasies are never depicted to have manifested in Sri Krsna/Sri Narayana/Sri Rama for any of the Gods(Happy now that i din't call them DEMIgods ?) By such obvious glaring distinctions,it is to be understood that Sri Shankaracharya was not glorifying Sri Krsna just like he did for Sri Durgadevi and Bhagavan Shankar.

Plz hear carefully. 1> If every jeevatma were to dream independently, different persons could NOT have percieved the same material manifestation. I never said,Maha-vishnu's dream is mithya. It is definitely real. But there is no sastric support to YOUR theory. 2> the factor of Sri Krsna's All attractiveness comes in. "Sri Krsna ceases to be all attractive" This is your indirect implication,when you say that jeevatma wants to enjoy separate from Sri Krsna. 3> the vedic statement "That jeevatma becomes all-knowing after Bhagavatpraapti" loses its meaning when you say what your saying. Isn't it the devotees(prema bhaktas) who distribute the 'real' knowledge of Godhead? Yes.They are the only ones who do. These prema bhaktas are perfectly capable of giving perfect 'knowledge' of Sri Krsna. Yet your saying that after going to Goloka they 'get' the desire to 'become' Sri Krsna EVENTHOUGH they are situated in perfect knowledge of Him (automatically meaning they have perfect knowledge that they can NEVER 'become' Him)?? 4> Nitya prema bhakti is there in everyone's heart.TRUE. MAhaprabhuji's statement is faultless. But it denotes the Sambhanda between Sri Krsna and Jeeva. "Abhideya,Sambandha Prayojana" it doesn't mean that Jeevas fall out of the Spiritual sky just like that. It demeans the factual perfect position of Vaikuntha/Goloka,etc. plz address my earlier question..... If you claim that Jeevatma gets BORED in Goloka,then you automatically mean to say that Sri Krsna is just like Rasa gulla.After you eat enough,you want to enjoy something else. I CANNOT digest this.

Shastric proof? Plz read the bhagavatam.I don't think it says anything other than this: Without the mercy of Sri Krsna,nothing can be gained. Shankaracharya did bhakti.Krsna Bhakti.Prema Bhakti. He wrote Krsna stuti.He said,"What is the need of mukti for prema Bhaktas of the Lord?" This is the sole origin of Advaita saying this.

But then veda is saying jeevatma is undergoing Utkraanti,Gati and Aa-gati. It is leaving the body,Going to candraloka and then again taking up another body according to karma. It is upon this very fact that Srila Vedavyasa Himself denied the nonsense of everything is Brahm. When you say that thus material manifestation is the Dream of Sri Mahavisnu,I accept it without doubt. That's the reason why we all see,hear,taste,feel the same things...for they really exist. But it can't be a separate dream of every Jeeva. It would only be a unclear version of Advaita. Jeevatma is itself in Mahat tattva. Srila Vedavyasa had clearly explained that, During the state of Maya-baddha and after mukti,Maya-mukt, the jeevatma REMAINS anu...atomic. This verse is used against the faulty view of Advaita. And your saying these things. Sri Gauranga has said,"From beginnigless time,jeevatma is Sri krsna Vimukh" He has used the word,"Anaadi" in this regard. I believe there have always been contradicting point of views amongst Vaishnava-acaryas(REALISED) themselves. I'm led to believe Srila Bhaktisiddhanta stuck with the 'anaadi bahirmukh' point of view. Jeevatma being the ansh or particle of Jeeva-sakti-vishisht-Sri Krsna,is situated between Sri KRsna's antaranga(Swarupa sakti) and Bahiranga(maya sakti) Saktis.It either goes toward Maya or towards Sri Bhagavan.However there is never a point in time when this occurs. Most Vaishnava-acaryas believe that there wasn't a 'point in time' when the jeevatma turned his back on Sri Krsna.It has ETERNALLY been like this. If we say that the jeeva 'fell down',it immediately belittles the Superexcellence and Spritual fundamentals of the Parvyoma. Wanting to become Sri Krsna is unnatural.Wanting to enjoy separate from sri Krsna IMMEDIATELY implies that Jeevatma is either unsatisfied or getting limited happiness in goloka. But veda says,"Rastvam heva yam labhdva nandi Bhavati" When you attain Him,only then will you get ananda(Anando Bhavati) And veda defines ananda as,"That which is unlimited.Remains for eternity.And goes on increasing eternally." If and only if all these three qualities are found in happiness,then is it eligible to be called premanand,krsnanand/Ramanand. As soon as you take into account the 'desire' to enjoy other than sri krsna, It IMMEDIATELY has to mean that Sri Krsna is NOT ananda.This is just impossible. IMPOSSIBLE. IMPOSSIBLE IMPOSSIBLE. There is absolutely NO logic whatsoever that can go around this little snag.

Smarana Smarana Smarana. Yena Kena Prakarena Manah Krsnah Niveshayet-- Gauranga Mahaprabhu. By any means,the mind should get attached to Sri Krsna.Chanting 16 rounds everday,365 days has not affected anything. Maybe a little smaranam is in order. Manera Smaran Praan- Sri Gauranga. Kirtan is NOT independent sadhana.Smaran is the LIFE of any type of sadhana. Smarana! Smarana ! smarana! The lack thereof thus leads to this "selfish and unispired condition''

And If you have any gosvami literature as proof behind your incredulous claims,please do produce it here. (Which i'm sure is impossible)

I dOn't believe whatever you are saying. Our original selves are in Goloka and Subconscious selves are in the material world? This is exactly like the Mayavadis saying that we are under Illusion but I am Brahm. What nonsense are you'll preaching? This is serious fraud. 100% fraud. Ever found the cause why iskcon is not half as popular when SP was there? Here it is. Nowadays,he's not here to correct all this nonsense. And is there any Prema Bhakta in isckon....? For long I've been too timid to ask this,but i have asked it now. Is there any prema Bhakta?? Tell me point blank...Is there any genuine guru or this is all just fraud?

Vishnu Bhakti Is COMPULSORY for a Jnyani. NOTE: COMPULSORY. Whereas upasana of Nirguna,Nirvishesh,Niraakar Brahm is not even required for the Bhakta Sadhaka. Without Sri Hari's Bhakti how will you Cross Samsara? On your own mettle? That's nonsense.Whoever teaches such things should be slapped outright. I'm saying with such confidence for there is only one condition to achieve any kind of Liberation: Godhead's mercy. Now there is a general ignorance in the nature of asking. Once Sri Narayana took Sri Devi to Indra.He wanted to show Her the small intelligence of Indra. As soon as he saw Bhagavan,Indra prostrated and welcomed Him and praised Him for showing him mercy. Sri Bhagavan said,"Ask for whatever you want." "Maharaj,Give me such a woman whose beauty is unparallelled in all the three worlds". Bhagavan immediately manifested infinite women with Yogamaya.Indra saw the first one and lost his senses. "I want the first woman". "Array,baaki sab toh dekh le". "Nahi maharaj.Yehi chahiye." You pple must have heard of Urvashi. LAter on,Indra's guru came and saw Urvashi.He said,"Yeh kya hai?" "Ji,Guru ji,Bhagavan aaye the toh ye maanga maine". "Tu toh ek number ka gadha hai." We don't know what saaman Bhagavan has.We are either asking for Bhukti,Trough sacrifices or for Mukti. Once,Muktidevi came at a mahatma's house He asked her,"Who are you?" "I am Mukti.I have come to serve you." The mahatma is startled.He shouts at her,"Doore tishth !" Go far far FAR ! Don't come near me!Whatever Bhakti i've done..whatever Sentiments i've nurtured...once the desire to have you enters my mind,I will be destroyed forever.You just go from here.I don't want your service.Go AWAY. Rsabh Bhagavan also encountered the ashta maha siddhis(the 8 mystic powers).He said,"Just get lost from my sight.I don't want anything to do with you."

I thought there is this basic understanding between the thickest of Mayavadis and Bhaktas that saints(actual ones identified by the dint of our limited understanding of scriptures) from both the sides are quite honest and do not LIE or CHEAT... I don't say Sri Shankaracharya Lied outright when he quoted Aham Brahmasmi from the vedas.I never said he made it up.No one says that.It's a different thing altogether that the verse gained such popularity. Now if one of the gosvamis Quotes a verse,you deny it outright???? This is not done. It's common knowledge that 95% of the vedic writings were lost over time.And I'm not even sure if you've searched the text thoroughly to declare whatever you are declaring. The word of the mahatmas is accepted as a pramana.It is to be understood.(Unless obviously if you think mahatma=charlatans/chanda baba/khopda baba/nanga baba(no offense to the genuine class.Our own Sukadeva roamed naked)) And plz note that I,Myself,have ABSOLUTELY NO knowledge of sripture.All these quotes are either from Sri Maharajji's Lectures,Srila Prabhupada's Books or the Gosvamis' lectures. I thought this fact was apparent throughout the deal......

Yes that sounds paradoxical for the vedas say that only when you have a vision of Him,will you be able to escape Maya. The way you took it,sounds paradoxical. Actually,due to the Guru's causeless mercy,Swarupa shakti immediately manifests in the Sadhaka's heart,now making his mind,intelligence and senses Spiritual.Then prema Bhakti makes Her appearance and THEN Sri Bhagavan appears.THIS part is Bhagavatpraapti technically.

Thanks for the information..

Your absolutely right....well,upto a certain point. It's true that no one can grasp the infinty if Sri Krsna. In bhagvatam,there is veda stuti(glorification of Sri Krsna by the vedas.) I remember sri Kripaluji's lecture so i'll try to reproduce in hindi but am sorry for i can't reproduce the verse. Sri Krsna, Brahma ,shankara,Narada...koi nahi jaanta tumhe. He Sri Krsna! tum Svayam apne aap ko Nahi jaante! This last statement is very favourable for Mayavadis to prove that Sri Krsna is not all knowing. It's not like that.Sri Krsna alone can Know Himself. Brahma says in Bhagvatam, Main,Brahma,Bhagavan ko nahi jaanta.Shankarji bhi nahi jaante usko.Baaki sab toh meri santaan hai.Jo koi kehta hai ki woh Bhagavan ko jaanta hai woh sabse bada murkh hai. I,Brahma,declare that I don't know Para brahm.Shankarji also does not know Him.Everyone else,being my progeny,also do not know Parabrahm.One who says he knows Bhagavan is the biggest fool. That's why only one answer is left: Who Knows Bhagavan? Bhagavan. Who can see Bhagavan? Bhagavan. Who can hear Bhagavan? Bhagavan. True. So, after bhagavatpraapti,Bhagvan gives His man/indriya(intelligence/mind/senses) to the devotee.Now the devotee can see Bhagavan.Hear Bhagavan and touch bhagavan. This is the most simple logic. But Bhagavan,being infinite,never comes under the grasp of the purest of all inetelligences also. Because,knowing any tattva fully,implies that that principle has come under the grasp of intelligence. But Bhagavan is Vibhu chit,Ananta,Divya...He cannot be contolled on the strength of your intelligence. He only comes under Bhakti. Narada says, "Kimbru matwam yashode, kati kati sukrt ksetra vrinda nipurvam Gatwa ki dhit vidhamayi kati kati sukrt nyarjit nitvaaiva .... tat purnam brahm bhu mao biluthati bilapat krodh marao dhukamam." Mother Yashoda! Parabrahm is crying...flailing His arms to come into your lap and your saying,"ja ja ! Mujhe bahut kaam pada hai."! This Parabrahm doesn't even come in the samadhis of Brahma,Vishnu,Shankar and your doing like this ! Sri Kripaluji maharaj joked,"Oh ho ho..bada bhaari kaam hai." Sri krsna confesses to Uddhava Paramhamsa, "Bhaktya mam ekaya grahya" Uddhava,I am obtained only by Bhakti.There is no other way at all. Tulsidas also says,"yogi,shoor,sutapas gyani...." Whether he be a great warrior(kstriyas that die in battle go to heaven),Yogi,or a jnani of great penance,he CANNOT obtain My master,Sri Ramacandra without serving His lotus feet. So Bhagavan reveals Himself in proportion to the devotion. Jaya Vijaya can hardly dare to sit on Sri Narayana's shoulders and order Him to take them for a ride. Who can dare? But in Vrndavana...these cowherds take turns at teasing Kanua.They call Him Kalua kalua(kaalu kaalu).Then Sri Krsna starts crying and goes to Mother Yashoda. This is the condition. Only nishkaam bhaktas can know this side of the Lord.NOT ANYONE ELSE.

There is no question of inferiority between Bhrahm and Bhagavan.That's offensive. Both are the same Tattva. ALL ENERGIES ARE PRESENT IN BRAHMN THAT ARE PRESENT IN BHAGAVAN. BUT... Only Sri Bhagvan-this feature-manifests all these superexcellent energies in FULL

" when bhisma was lying in deathbed with arrows peirced all through his body he desired to see lord sri krishna. when krishna came he started crying. everyone was curious. a great mahatma like bhisma crying on his deathbed and that too after seeing krishna !!! when asked he replied . "o krishna !! today i realized something looking at pandavas. inspite of always remaining under your shelter there is no end to their miseries. that made me realize that even after so many years i couldnt understand god's lila even by a small fraction. o krishna ,hardly any one can understand you. it is this thought that makes me shed these tears. " ......................SRI RAMAKRISHNA quote by sambya: but actually that is all part of his divine play. and theres no one who can understand his play completely, not even the highest saints. Hey,that's not true. Hanumanji must be chuckling in his mind when Laxmana was "shot down" by the arrow.Sri Ramacandra was CRYING. Aisa nahi hai....God reveals Himself fully to His prema Bhaktas. Exception: The Leelas going on in Nikunj and Nibhrt Nikunj....These abodes are beyond the league of Vibhinna amsas.

Chandu...Are you raj thackeray ? 70% hindus eat meat...Even they are muslims then...What will you say to them?

Yes..yes.. Guru should be one who has seen Krsna otherwise it is straight away fraud. Now,frankly,we've no way to find out who has recieved prema bhakti. That's why it is of utmost imporatance to beg in front of the lord for a prema bhakta...There is no alternative. You have to cry.There is a verse in the Vedanta sutra...Crying is your only tool. there is no other recourse...For that crying,you need to be intensely hungry for the attainment of God. You cry when you come to know that you are powerless...weak...You become humble. That's why you've to cry for the lord This will come only with rupa dhyana(smarana) alongwith kirtan. "yena kena prakarena manah krshnah niveshayet"-Gauranga Mahaprabhu. Anyhow your mind should get attached to Sri Krsna.ANYHOW. Mechanical Kirtan is dangerous.You will only get frustrated. Thus..remember the lord.Cry for His mercy in the form of a Guru.That's all. The lord Exclusively came for Prahlad from the pillar.Why won't He send you a prema Bhakta if He knows you are sincere in your MIND for Him?

Btw,Sambya, What is that ungodly picture for your avatar ?

"rakaradini namaani shravato mama parvati Manah prasanntah yati ramanamabhi shankaya" Parvati! Whenever someone says 'Ra',I become very very ecstatic that someone will say 'Ma' after that,eventhough the person is gonna say Ravana. Ravana was an Indian king?? Sri Rama was a n aryan?? Leave Indian Aryan. Come up to the vedic version. .This Rascal,Ravana had 330,000,000 devas under his feet.Sri Brahmadeva used to come to recite the vedas at his house. This rascal was about to build a staircase to Indraloka.Free pass to svarga. That's why Sri Bhagvan killed him. Ravan only worshipped lord Shiva.But all his so called shiva bhakti went for a toss When Sri Bhagavan stomped him like a fly. Forget that,Sri Hanuman,the most powerful rudraavtar,set Lanka on fire with his tail.This is not an error on Lord Shiva's/hanuman's part. Whereas,Lord Vishnu immediately realeased His divine weapon on Durvasa Rsi when he merely offended a vaishnava. I'm not saying that Shiva Bhaktas are fake and Vaishnavas are real. But Sri Vishnu's Bhaktas(realised) are actually equanimous towards all.They are the best amongst sages. Whereas dirty pple and pple with hideous minds do TAPASYA to please lord Shiva and pass off as his devotees,when actually they only love themselves. This clearly shows Lord Shiva's inevitable association with Tamasic nature(although he is completely transcendental to it). Whereas Lord Vishnu doesn't appear even if a person does tapasya for millions of years.Only when this intense tapasya is conjoined with favorable/hateful remembrance of the Lord,is the Lord obtained. Kamsa used to be AFRAID of Sri Krsna.He would see Sri Krsna In his plate. Arjuna thought of Sri Krsna as a friend always.(mam ekam sharnam vraja). Both went to Goloka. But hating Sri Krsna is not advised.It is inevitably self destructive if remembrance is not achieved cent percent. Sri Ramacandra is thus not to be mistaken as Shiva Bhakta.

First up... Sri Vishnu's devotees: Srila Vedvyasa- author of Vedant sutra. This first name itself is like an atom bomb. Sri Shukadeva Paramhamsa. Sri Sanaka paramhamsa Sri Shaunakadik paramhamsas The 12 alwars(Thought to be like an Army of Vaishnavas,the 12 alwars LITERALLY inundated the earlier years of Kaliyuga with Vishnu Bhakti.There are accounts of a particular alwar who outdoes Lord Shiva in mystic power.Amongst the alwars,was a woman alwar identified as the incarnation of Sri Bhu laxmi.) Sri Shankaracharya Sri Ramanujacharya Sri Vallabhacharya Sri Sridharacharya Sri Nimbarkacharya Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu(Identified as the personification of the Highest attainable bliss possible and even more(only for the devotees)) Sri Rupa Gosvami/Jeeva Goswami (The gosvamis' scriptures are beyond excellence in terms of full understanding of Brahm and are accepted by prema bhaktas as gems of vaishnava literature.) Sri Tulsidas(author of the famed Ramcharitmanas.) Sri Nyandeva(Wrote Nyaneshwari,a spotless commentary on Geeta.Entered into Samdhi at the age of 16.) Sri Tukarama(travelled to the spiritual world in front of thousands with Visnudutas) Sri Chokhamela Sri Ramdas(Taught Ram Bhakti.Guided Shivaji Maharaj) Sri Meerabai(Was revered even by the mughal emperor for her exhibition of supramundane ecstasies for Sri Krsna.) Sri Surdas Sri Kabeer(wrongly interpreted as an advaitin,Kabir was a through and through Bhakta.) Nanak(Nanak has clearly declared that without the mercy of God,nothing is possible.He propagated Shabad Kirtan(naam sankirtan)). Srila Prabhupada(no introduction required) Sri Kripaluji Maharaj(Defeated all nonsense theories and darshan sastras and was conferred with the title of Jagadguru by Kashi Vidvat Parishat in Kashi,the seat of Vedic knowledge.At the mere age of 21,he roamed the forests of Vrindavana and Barsana,in indescribable ecstatic bhavas.He would often spend weeks on the forest floor.He Knows the vedas,with puranas et all,word by word.ALTHOUGH he studied the vedas only for 2 years.) This is only Kaliyuga(that too discounting the equally Glorious yet unpopular Vaishnavas). All the Manus,Sun god,Bhrama,All his sons,Indra,Shiva,everyone...everyone is Sri Narayana's devotee. Shiva purana is a tamasic purana with unclear conclusions.It is NOT to be accepted over Vishnu Purana(a sattvic scripture).This is commonly accepted. Besides Lord Shiva declares along the same lines in Shiva Purana that "Sattvic puranas' conclusion is to be fully accepted.If the same conclusion is presented in the tamasic/rajasic puranas,it is still accepted,otherwise everything else is not clear and correct in the latter two puranas". The reason for this is that without first being situated in Sattva guna,the individual CANNOT transcend Maya. Shankaracharya says, "Shama Dam Uparatasthitikshu" Shama-means 'control over senses' CONTROL. This 'control' over senses happens only when situated in Sattva Guna. Thus it is imperative to be situated in Sattva guna for any kind of liberation. The same goes for Puranas.Sattvic Puranas are accepted as the most important and precise.There is no debate on this. As for Sri Ramacandra being the devotee of Sri Shankara.... Sri Ramachandra is the Origin of Sri Laxmana(Shankarsana). This Shankarsana is the origin of Sri Sadashiva and Sadashiva in turn manifests as Lord Shiva of the material world. Thus Rama being a devotee of Shiva is PLAY,LEELA.