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Srila Vedavyasa PROVES and CONCLUDES that Jeevatma is ATOMIC in these 10 sutras.These sutras also reveal that Jeevatma and it's position/form/atomic dimension is ETERNAL. Based on this revelation we deny the Advaitic claim that the atomic Jeevatma becomes infinite Brahm. "Utkranty gatyaagatinam" - Vedanta sutra 2.3.19 "svatmana ca uttara yoh" - Vedanta sutra 2.3.20 "na anuh attah shruteh hritiken na itaradhikarat" - Vedanta sutra 2.3.21. 2.3.22 2.3.23 2.3.24 UPTO ....2.3.28 * * * Srila Vedavyasa further made 3 sutras to clarify that Jeevatma is not the Size of the Human body. "Evan ca aatma akarsyam" - Vedanta sutra 2.2.32 "Na parirayadapy avirodho vikaradivya" - Vedanta sutra 2.2.33 "antyavastitesca ubhayanityatvat avisheshah" - Vedanta sutra 2.2.34 * * * Okay,We already know Jeevatma is NOT Infinite. From the above sutras we also come to the Conclusion that Jeevatma IS ATOMIC, and NOT the size of the Body. Also,Sri Vedavyasa clarifies that This jeevatma maintains this form/svarupa before/after liberation. If jeevatma were the size of the body,it wouldn't be possible to pervade an ant's body. And we can't say that Jeevatma has an eternal form,which MAY BE atomic,for that will be speculation. So,neither does the Jeeva STRETCH into the dimensions of a human form. NOR is it eternally of the Human form.

The conversation Between Srila Bhaktisiddhanta and whatsit? Is truly enlightening. I revere Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja from the core of my heart. Whenever he would come across a Mayavadi,he would rush to him,hold him tight and Shake him. None of the Mayavadis had the courage to even look in the eyes of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja. Jaya Jaya !!

Listen, I believe in accepting realised Vaishnavas on basis of their teachings,knowledge of shastra and their corroboration with the other realised transcendentalists. Tulsidas was one such personality. Have you even read Ramcharitmanas ?? I would like to see any authority in any of the sampradayas to produce such work. Srila prabhu pada says,"Never go to see a mahatma.Always go to hear him." In what position are we to decide if Ramcharitmanas is not an authority? Jeeva Goswmi says that sadhu vakya is also accepted as Pramana. Are you aware of the fact that Ramcharitmanas corroborates perfectly with Ramayana? So it is logical to conclude that the above mentioned incident can be found in the Ramayana.I haven't even read the Ramayana. If you have,then do so again coz surely you missed that point out.

It is stated in Ramcharitmanas of course. But i'm guessing you are from Madhva sampradaya. So anything from the Ramanandi sampradaya does not hold any authority for you.? I'm losing faith in the sampradaya system faster than i'd ever imagined. I came across a site claiming to follow Sri Madhvacharya's doctrine. One topic over there was Radha- a bogus deity. I Frankly didn't have the courage to even read it.No doubt the upholders of such a disgusting theory will go to hell,but what saddens me the most that these people are in no way even 1% of what Sri MAdhvacharya was. Have no doubt in your minds that the advatins are much better than such people. People do not even spare Rama Krishna.They say,Rama was greater/Krsna was greater.Fine.I understand till this point...But when Sri Krsna nama sankirtana is going on,Can't a so called Rama bhakta not flinch and partake in the sankirtana? IT is utmost important to first realise your Rama/Krsna/Vishnu.Then you go and do anything.Hell,Hanuman killed crores of people. Until then,just slap yourself if you think that Sri RadhaKrsna/Sri SitaRama/Sri SriVishnu are different. And also slap those who advocate such offensive nonsense. Shame on the so called Madhvacharya followers. They called Sri Gauranga Mahaprabhu's move as 'sick'.WHY ? Because He took sannyasa from a advaitavadi. Do these people even have purified intelligence to understand that the Lord and His associates/Their Works/Their pastimes/Their actions CANNOT be understood by ordinary logic? If outward show was everything,why cannot a pundit who chants the Bhagavad Gita everyday attain prema bhakti ?? The great philosophy of the Vaishnava acharyas has been reduced to fit the mundane intellectual capacities of fanatics. Ramanujites denounced Sri Ramananda for he believed that Bhagavad-Bhakti is to be distributed to the sincere seeker without considering his caste/race. One sampradaya is quoting only 4 sampradayas are authentic. Another of those 4 sampradayas is saying that all the sampradayas are bogus except that one,including the '3 other authentic' sampradayas. If the realised Vaishnavas were limited to a single Sampradaya,there would've been no tulsidas,Meera,Kabir,and thousands of others. if your insincere, God Himself will set you up with a fraud within the 'sampradaya' itself.

This discussion is based on your speculation. Anyway,i'll try to address it in a new thread. SIGH.

We should definitely accept Srila Prabhupada as a very great,realised bhakta. But at the same time the Lord's challenge comes,"My devotee never falls down Arjuna". It is also important to note that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Maharaja sticks to the beginningless conditioning of the jeevatma. Authoritative opinion is this : That Maya Covers jeevatma due to his turning his back on Sri KRsna. Krsna Bahirmukha... But it is also mostly accepted that there was never a specific point in time when this happened. This position is eternal. That is why the terms are "Nitya baddha" "Nitya siddha". As far as the eternal spiritual bodies... Sri Vedvyasa maintains that During conditioned state,in the body,after leaving the body and after liberation,the jeevatma MAINTAINS its atomic size. After Bhagavatprapti,the Lord PROVIDES with a divya DEHA(body) that the Jeevatma inhabits.This is a mystery for the body is completely spiritual. This is the point of difference between Sri Bhagavan's body and the siddha deha/body. Sri Bhagavan is His body Himself. We are NOT.

Good point,Bhaktajan and raghu.

Each and every person/living entity wants the best in everything. A diseased person,if well to do,will go to a specialist in America for treatment,etc. Similarly,in the spiritual affairs,4 top personalities are accepted.Intelligent opinion accepts 2 more, i.e. 6 in total. Adi Jagadguru Shankaracharya. Sri Ramanujacharya Sri Nimbarkacharya Sri Madhvacharya Sri Vallabhacharya AND Sri Gauranga Mahaprabhu. Now barring some confusing texts of Sri Shankaracharya,all the elements in above list ACCEPT Sri Krsna/Sri Vishnu tattva as the eternal Saguna Form of Brahm. So,as far as your question goes,there is only one solution: Find another forum where they discuss the primitive ideas regarding the Form of a personal God. Generally,such forums are founded upon speculation.So probably your question will be hailed as an 'intelligent' one there. PROBABLY....I'm not so sure...

Each and every person/living entity wants the best in everything. A diseased person,if well to do,will go to a specialist in America for treatment,etc. Similarly,in the spiritual affairs,4 top personalities are accepted.Intelligent opinion accepts 2 more, i.e. 6 in total. Adi Jagadguru Shankaracharya. Sri Ramanujacharya Sri Nimbarkacharya Sri Madhvacharya Sri Vallabhacharya AND Sri Gauranga Mahaprabhu. Now barring some confusing texts of Sri Shankaracharya,all the elements in above list ACCEPT Sri Krsna/Sri Vishnu tattva as the eternal Saguna Form of Brahm. So,as far as your question goes,there is only one solution: Find another forum where they discuss the primitive idea regarding the Form of a personal God. Generally,such forums are founded upon speculation.So probably your question will be hailed as an 'intelligent' on there. PROBABLY....I'm not so sure...

I think he is Hari Hara. After all Skanda,the Son of Shankara is Harihara. We know that Lord Sadashiva is a personality of Godhead,indifferent from Sri Vishnu.so........? Even Surya is something special,Always,the Adityas are mentioned before the Rudras.And then there is some tattva called Surya Narayana..... ?????????????????

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Lord Sadashiva is known as the Supreme Lord,who is eternal,Causeless,and an expansion of Godhead,Shankarsana. This personality of Sadashiva is addressed as Bhagaavan Shankar. Uma is indifferent from Him. Although His abode is known as Shivaloka,it is considered as Vaikuntha by rasiks. Just as Sriman Narayana is same as yet prays to Lord Ramacandra,so also does lord Shiva. In srila Vishvanatha Chakravarti Thakura's words,"Lord Vishnu and Lord Shiva embody the same Supreme Consciousness and are accepted as the same." Yet Lord Shiva is always engaged in worshipping Sri KRsna as Gopesvara. There are only three principles. Brahm Jeeva Maya. Lord Shambhu is NOT Jeeva.He is not MAya. Thus He is identified as a Svamsa or abhinna amsa of Sri KRsna. There is no offense whatsoever in saying that Lord Sambhu is equal to Lord Vishnu.Thus as Sri Krsna performs leelas to display that He's 'subordinate' to Sriman Narayana,so also He does the same with Sri Shankara.Also,as Ramacandra He worships Lord Shiva. There's nothing shocking here. Their love for each other is so intense that lord Shiva abandoned Uma for apparently commiting offenses against Sri Ramacandra. What intelligence do we have to understand Them ?

Shiva is known as the Supreme Lord. He resides beyond Maya. He is indifferent from Lord Vishnu. He and Uma are the same. While teaching Shiva tattva to Lord Rama as leela,Sri Ramacandra became Lord Shiva and Lord Shiva became Lord Rama. This personality of Sadashiva is also addressed as Bhagavan. He exists in another form - as gopesvara. He runs to vrajadhama as soon as He understands in his Samadhi,that Lord Govinda is performing rasa leela. Parvati immediately enters as a gopi. But one of the sakhis stops Lord Shiva.But on Sri Radhika's order,He takes on the form of a gopi and enters raasa leela. Even Mahalaxmi is not allowed to partake in rasa leela.

Prabhuji,plz understand one thing: All sadhana-siddha prema bhaktas or those who have attained the causeless mercy of Svarupa shakti i.e. Prema bhakti,were,at some point of time,exactly like us. It is INEVITABLE for thoughts of sensual pleasures(bhukti) and attachment/fascination towards yoga,etc. BUT this is ONLY DUE TO inexperience of even one drop of prema-rasa or the bliss obtained from loving remembrance of the lord. This is the precise reason why we have to ATTACH our MINDS to Sri Krsna and His various features in the FIRST PLACE. ATTACHING the mind will only come from PRACTISING- ATTACHING OF THE MIND. You can of course use pranayama,asana....for pranayama/yogic exercises help you to concentrate your mind on a particular thing Who cares about what we use as a means to attach our minds to Shyamasundara ?? Arjuna says in the gita,"Janardana,the mind is swifter than the wind...uncontrollable it is." Due to its massive instability,we feel we can never achieve the state where we constantly think about the lord. The only solution to this is : Practise. You've to LITERALLY remove the mind from other areas and DIRECT IT towards the Lord. The mind is,from eternal time,attached to FORM,NAMES,SMELL,TOUCH. It always thinks about these things. So this is the reason why you need to do Rupa dhyana(loving meditation on form,Smell,Names,Pastimes,etc).Only kirtana is not helpful at this stage. Unless your mind gets attached to the lord's form,pastimes,there is EVERY CHANCE that sankirtana will sound boring and material. I know i may be getting off track but what i want to conclude is that : EVERY single sadhaka FEELS the same,"Why i cannot feel what the pure devotees feel eventhough i chant the same ?" The difference is only this : Those pure devotees(those who've yet not attained prema bhakti but are on the stage of anuraga/attachment.) are SO attached with their MINDS to the lord,that Kirtan gives them bliss without fail.This is the inconcievable work of svarupa shakti.As and how you get your mind attached to the Lord,Svarupa Shakti,immediately goes on manifesting in proportion to the attachment. Here a question may arise,"Why can't we get Svarupa shakti if She is causeless ?" Maharajji says,"If Bhagavan were to bestow His mercy in the form of Svarupa Shakti in the sadhaka's heart,he would only burst to Smithreens.His heart is limited.It cannot take the infinity,divinity and the sheer Ananda/rasa.An ordinary human being will faint with the fragrance of even a deva.The fragrance is SO blissful.AND this is BHAGAVAN WE"RE TALKIN ABOUT.Therefore the inevitable NEED to purify the heart through Attachment of it to Bhagavan." So it is generally forbidden to include desire for jnana,Mukti,bhukti,etc. But this is exactly like Renunciation.Vaishnava Acharyas never say,you become a renunciate and then do bhakti.They know that you do sadhana bhakti and you automatically experience renunciation. Remember,all our worries that we'll never become like Pure devotees,rasiks etc,is due to our lack of attachment of MIND.Practising alone will make you advance.There is no other way. SEE ? Exactly. WE HAVE NO TANGIBLE EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER. Tangible experience...by this we(atleast i) generally mean, "The ecstatic symptoms of crying,trembling,laughing,etc." Prabhuji,this is only due to sheer lack of smarana/rupa dhyana. Mahaprabhuji says,"Only a person who thinks himself meaner than a straw in the street is able to chant continuously." Prabhuji,this is possible ONLY and ONLY when you repeatedly FEEL in the mind that ,"I'm such a rascal.Bhagavan is right here,in my heart and i'm doing such nonsense." Maharajji always says,"Aap log FEEL hi nahi karte.Array,Bhagavan mere andar baithe hai,note kar rahe hai.YE realisation nahi hai." "You people don't have this FEELING that Oh,Bhagavan is seated inside me.He's noting down everything i'm thinking." Constant realisation of such a kind keeps the sadhaka away from kusanga. This is a helper in the sadhana that you do 2-3 hrs a day i.e. proper Rupa dhyana on the Lord. This only comes by practising. Radhe Radhe

oops...I thought post no. 14 was not posted.........anyway.

Bija, You are more knowledgeable than i could ever be. My battery is extremely low.I will get back later. Radhe radhe.

No no.. No Jnana misra,Karma misra. Prabhuji,I know you know all this: We are by nature greedy for highest happiness. Only Sri Radha Krsna Bhajana in the mood of Parakiya bestows that kind of happiness. Sri Krsna says to Uddhava,Your more dear to me than Myself or even Shankara. And you know it better that the gopis are accepted as greater than Sri Uddhava. Thus ONLY raganuga...Not even Vaidhi. Thus no question of Jnana/karma misra bhakti. You,sir,actually are better at this than i can ever be,so don't pretend as if your asking to gain knowledge.

You are really very kind.

Padma Purana states,"You should always remember Sri Krsna and you should never Forget Him.All the vedic,shastric and puranic injunctions should be the servants of these two principles." Sri Gauranga has also stated that,"Manera Smarana praan." Smarana by the MIND is the Praana/life force of Sadhana Bhakti.Without it,sadhana bhakti cannot be called sadhana bhakti at all. It is physical drill. Those following the tradition of unconditional prema towards Sri Bhagavan HAVE to follow Bhakti Rasamrt Sindhu Bindu. It is the final word. Bhakti Rasamrt Sindhu outlines three most important principles to be followed by sadhakas. The first and the most important of these 3 principles is: To ALWAYS remember the Supreme lord Shyamasundara alongwith His Name,Pastimes,Abode,Paraphernalia and His Associates. It further states that the mind should LITERALLY REMAIN amongst Hari,Harijan and these above outlined features.Everything that relates to or contributes to the above principles is to be accepted,everything else is to be discarded for everything else is kusanga. Sri Mahaprabhu has clarified that PAAPA / heinous karma,ALSO FALLS UNDER the category of PUNYA. That means PAAPA,PUNYA both are PAAPA,for they are not favourable to Sri Hari Bhakti. Moresoever,MUKTI / liberation and the yearning for it is to be discarded like a filthy cloth from the mind. From revelations of transcendentalists of the highest kind we have this information : "If you take Brahmananda/bliss experienced in brahmjnyan state, MULTIPLY that bliss by half of Sri Brahmdeva's life i.e. around 150 trillion times, EVEN THEN, the resultant Bhramananda or bliss cannot even match up to a DROP of bliss experienced in premananda." We should understand the implications of such a statement. There are only 3 paths towards Brahm or atleast the vedas are divided into 3 sections: The largest section pertaining to Karma Kaanda. The second section concerning Jyana Marga. The third section describing the Bhakti path. "Kanda traya atmako vedah,Jnyana,karmach,bhaktis ca." KArma Kanda is accepted as useless by both Advaitins and Bhaktas. But many are stuck up on the path towards kaivalya. There are only a handful of cases of persons who were completely liberated from birth itself.Such persons are known as Atmaramas,amalatmas,paramhamsas,etc. Four such personalities, Shaunak,sanaka, and other two. These four paramhamsas are wandering in their unbreakable samadhi and they come across Sri Narayana. As soon as the fragrance of tulsi leaf on the feet of NArayana enters their nostrils,they immediately come out from their samadhi just like a miser who is sleeping in deep sleep comes to know that he has won the lottery. They compose such verses that are impossible for materially conditioned souls to relish,yet one point is of use. "Sri Narayana ! The fragrance of the tulsi leaf on your divine feet has broken our samdhi in no time! I declare that Brahmananda is like a hoofprint full of water in fron of this Bliss We are experiencing." Sri Shankaracharya only agrees in full vigour when he,in prema samadhi of Sri Krsna,declares that he doesn't want svarga/heaven or even MUKTI/liberation.Those are fools who want all that,he says. "I want only to be immersed in thinking about my lord Sri krsna's Lotus feet." Now such a statement is common for shankaracharya to make.He says so about all the Gods. Is that so ? Please verify. He DOES NOT. He's either asking for good health(falls under bhukti) or he's asking for liberation(mukti) in kanakashtakam(praise of Mahalaxmi) he asks for prosperity and good health(bhukti) and in many other praises he asks for putting a halt to the cycle of birth and death.(mukti) BUT.in the end,he comes upon real bhakti,the one which is of the highest form. This is THE REAL DEAL. There is nothing higher than this. And now no one can even say that Sri Krsna was a form of sattva guna. If He were under sattva guna,He would have never attracted the minds absorbed in samadhi...like those of Sanaka parmahamsa and Shankaracharya ! Even a person who has realised atma,through his own effort,kicks away Indraloka. The one situated in Brahmjyana is Atmarama,Purna kam,Nishkaam.He is fully content. Now if such a person says that "I want to smell Sri Krsna's feet" there is only one possibility : That Sri Krsna is Purna Param Brahm,Who exists BEYOND all the three modes of nature,with a Form,Features,Name and abode which make even Brahmananda look like a miserable condition. Thus Sri Krsna prema Bhakti is established as the Supreme transcendental achievement. There can be no debate on this point for obvious reasons. "I dont want MUKTI and i don't want BHUKTI.Those who do,are the biggest fools." SO BE IT.

The chanting should always be coupled with smarana or rememberance of the lord with the mind. The mind is the sole cause for conditioned existence. "Yena kena prakarena manah Krshna niveshayet." By ANY possible means your mind simply gets attached to God,His Names,His pastimes,His Form,His parikar/associates, and Harijan/your guru,that is real bhakti. Sri Gauranga Mahaprabhu has classified Bhakti into two forms: Sasanga Bhakti and Anasanga Bhakti. Sasanga bhakti is that bhakti which involves favourable and loving rememberance of the lord with the MIND along with any,some or all of the 9 devotional practices. Anasanga Bhakti is considered as ONLY 8 kinds of devotional services with the exclusion of MIND/REMEMBRANCE of the Lord. He further goes on to explain that Sasanga Bhakti is the best form of Bhakti there is. Padma Purana states,"You should always remember Sri Krsna and you should never Forget Him.All the vedic,shastric and puranic injunctions should be the servants of these two principles." Sri Gauranga has also stated that,"Manera Smarana praan." Smarana by the MIND is the Praana/life force of Sadhana Bhakti.Without it,sadhana bhakti cannot be called sadhana bhakti at all. It is physical drill. Those following the tradition of unconditional prema towards Sri Bhagavan HAVE to follow Bhakti Rasamrt Sindhu Bindu. It is the final word. Bhakti Rasamrt Sindhu outlines three most important principles to be followed by sadhakas. The first and the most important of these 3 principles is: To ALWAYS remember the Supreme lord Shyamasundara alongwith His Name,Pastimes,Abode,Paraphernalia and His Associates. It further states that the mind should LITERALLY REMAIN amongst Hari,Harijan and these above outlined features.Everything that relates to or contributes to the above principles is to be accepted,everything else is to be discarded for everything else is kusanga. Sri Mahaprabhu has clarified that PAAPA / heinous karma,ALSO FALLS UNDER the category of PUNYA. That means PAAPA,PUNYA both are PAAPA,for they are not favourable to Sri Hari Bhakti. Moresoever,MUKTI / liberation and the yearning for it is to be discarded like a filthy cloth from the mind. From revelations of transcendentalists of the highest kind we have this information : "If you take Brahmananda/bliss experienced in brahmjnyan state, MULTIPLY that bliss by half of Sri Brahmdeva's life i.e. around 150 trillion times, EVEN THEN, the resultant Bhramananda or bliss cannot even match up to a DROP of bliss experienced in premananda." We should understand the implications of such a statement. There are only 3 paths towards Brahm or atleast the vedas are divided into 3 sections: The largest section pertaining to Karma Kaanda. The second section concerning Jyana Marga. The third section describing the Bhakti path. "Kanda traya atmako vedah,Jnyana,karmach,bhaktis ca." KArma Kanda is accepted as useless by both Advaitins and Bhaktas. But many are stuck up on the path towards kaivalya. There are only a handful of cases of persons who were completely liberated from birth itself.Such persons are known as Atmaramas,amalatmas,paramhamsas,etc. Four such personalities, Shaunak,sanaka, and other two. These four paramhamsas are wandering in their unbreakable samadhi and they come across Sri Narayana. As soon as the fragrance of tulsi leaf on the feet of NArayana enters their nostrils,they immediately come out from their samadhi just like a miser who is sleeping in deep sleep comes to know that he has won the lottery. They compose such verses that are impossible for materially conditioned souls to relish,yet one point is of use. "Sri Narayana ! The fragrance of the tulsi leaf on your divine feet has broken our samdhi in no time! I declare that Brahmananda is like a hoofprint full of water in fron of this Bliss We are experiencing." Sri Shankaracharya only agrees in full vigour when he,in prema samadhi of Sri Krsna,declares that he doesn't want svarga/heaven or even MUKTI/liberation.Those are fools who want all that,he says. "I want only to be immersed in thinking about my lord Sri krsna's Lotus feet." Now such a statement is common for shankaracharya to make.He says so about all the Gods. Is that so ? Please verify. He DOES NOT. He's either asking for good health(falls under bhukti) or he's asking for liberation(mukti) in kanakashtakam(praise of Mahalaxmi) he asks for prosperity and good health(bhukti) and in many other praises he asks for putting a halt to the cycle of birth and death.(mukti) BUT.in the end,he comes upon real bhakti,the one which is of the highest form. This is THE REAL DEAL. There is nothing higher than this. And now no one can even say that Sri Krsna was a form of sattva guna. If He were under sattva guna,He would have never attracted the minds absorbed in samadhi...like those of Sanaka parmahamsa and Shankaracharya ! Even a person who has realised atma,through his own effort,kicks away Indraloka. The one situated in Brahmjyana is Atmarama,Purna kam,Nishkaam.He is fully content. Now if such a person says that "I want to smell Sri Krsna's feet" there is only one possibility : That Sri Krsna is Purna Param Brahm,Who exists BEYOND all the three modes of nature,with a Form,Features,Name and abode which make even Brahmananda look like a miserable condition. Thus Sri Krsna prema Bhakti is established as the Supreme transcendental achievement. There can be no debate on this point for obvious reasons. "I dont want MUKTI and i don't want BHUKTI.Those who do,are the biggest fools." SO BE IT.

Yes We are. Why ?

Do you not understand till now ? Indriya (5 senses)--> Man(Mind) --> Buddhi(intelligence)--> jeevatma--> Mahat--> Prakriti--> Brahm. Vedas are accepted as Brahm svarup. NOW tell me how did your Max mueller come about to produce his infallible translation? I'm not mocking you.It is a earnest question.

Yes...Sure whatever you say. Whatever you say.

I dont know.............................................. sorry.

Brahmanas have to study the vedas...but how will they UNDERSTAND it. The veda is saying,first KNOW Him and then you'll understand the Vedic meaning whereas it is also saying know Him though the Vedas. But we should accept Sri Vyasadeva's conclusion, "I have gone through the vedas carefully and i have concluded,Men,do Not even TOUCH the vedas! Even if you read it infinte times,you'll only get confused.It is like an endless ocean." "Ananta baram gambhiram,durvighaya samudravat." We should listen to Srila Vyasadeva and submit to a person who has achieved Sri Bhagavatpraapti.He is known as a mahapurusha or mahatma for he has attained Paramatma. ONLY and ONLY mahatmas know the exact import of vedas. Not Some Dr. chaturvedi and Prof. Aiiyyar and Max Mueller. He is the BIGGEST fraud who studies the Vedas on the merit of his material intelligence and projects it as 'his commentary'. Such a person is the biggest fool and more so are those who accept his authority.