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Ramanuja,Madhva failed to defeat advaita? Sri Gauranga Mahaprabhu failed to defeat advaita ? Plz get your historical accounts straight.

Sambya, Your just embarrasing yourself. Please leave the forum or give me the cue,i'll do so. I'm not here to go on answering some questions just becoz the person who's asking them thinks they are very important. You explain to me,the reason for the massively glaring irregularities of shankar bhashya on brahm sutra,or simply walk away. Trust me,it won't be humiliating.

Jeeva being ansha of His jeeva shakti has nothing to do with the falldown of jeevatma. No one falls down from Paravyoma. Jaya Vijaya CAME DOWN as per Sri Bhagavan's wishes for He wished to battle. Who can match the lord of Vaikuntha is battle ? Thus His energy/cit sakti arranged for the perfect so called aparadha of Sanakadik paramhamsa by jaya vijaya and they became Hiranakshya and Hiranyakasipu. This is revealed in the bhagavata. Srila prabhupada might be advocating fall down from spiritual world for he himself comes from there.lol. Jokes apart,Sastra does not support your theory.

Such imperfect conclusion. If it were so,Karma kanda wouldn't have formed one of the three kandas of the veda. Your so HUNG OVER tricksters and charlatans.You want to see mystics flying through air. That is spiritual realisation according to you. For you do not know that theoretical as well as practical realisation of the vedic revelation can alone disclose the Supreme truth to the enquirer. Your magic tricks are of no use boss.Neither is plain talk.Guru's statements need to backed by shastra.. Veda says go to Kshotriya Brahm Nishta guru. Pity your poor understanding of 'transcendental position'. Your asking me if killing random pple for 'allah' (jehad)and then celebrating by throwing dead bodies off the roof of a 7-floor building,qualifies as equally true as the vedic teachings? Ummm,no.

By this,i expected the fact that vedic dharma is above all religions,to be understood by you. and yet you ask me to answer the qestion properly? Actually,your not very intelligent.

You are simply avoiding all my posts (I'm not taking pride in it...I'm just stating the plain,cold fact.) I don't give a fig to your petty "all religions are equal" sentiments. First answer my posts,then we'll enter your abominable speculative dimension,where every single post is massacred with the intellectual capacity of an pico-meter. Either anwser my posts or just say that you are not able to. I won't give an ear to your pathetic tantrums. Btw, who gave you the impression that i want to convert you? My main goal is only to smash the delusion of self grandeur the advaitins hold,proclaiming that their philosophy is the only one which is corroborated in the vedas.

Sorry,but i didn't mean to be your guru...and i never wrote any such thing in my post. If you feel so greatly offended,i'm sorry.

That's why i've been telling you all along.. Don't speculate so much..... You never listen......................................

Sri Kanakadhara Stotra(Author,Sri Shankaracharya) verse 5 Mahalaxmi,Shining on the dark,broad Chest of Mahavishnu,is like the streak of lightning illuminating the dark rain clouds.May She,the Daughter of sage Bhargava,worshipped as Mother by the entire universe,bring me auspiciousness. verse 7: The status of the king of kings,of an Indra are given effortlessly by the mere momentary glance of Mahalaxmi.Murari who is Supreme Bliss itself is made happy by it.May this glance from the blue lotus eued Laxmi,fall on me for a moment. Varun deva's son answers Varuna deva's question: Anando Brahmeti Vyajanat. Brahm is ananda/rasa/bliss. Raso vai saha. He is rasa. verse 10: We offer obeisances to the Goddess Mahalaxmi,The consort of Narayana,The preceptor of all the three worlds.She is variously known as Sarasvati,the Goddess of learning,As Goddess Laxmi,the Divine consort of Sri Vishnu and as shakambhari or Parvati,the consort of Lord Mahesvara.Verily,it is She who is engaged playfully in CREATION,MAINTENANCE and DESRTUCTION of the Universe.

Sri gauranga Mahaprabhu was the ONLY ONE who reconciled the Koran teachings with those of Bhagavata dharma. Does any of you or your grandgurus(no offense) have that potential ? Sri Kripaluji Maharaj was conferred with the title of 'Sanatan-vedic-dharma-pratishthapan-satsampradaya-paramacharya' by the Kashi Vidvat parishat. He established the clarity of the hindu vedic dharma over all the world religions by first proving that all the world religions aim at only one objective "To eliminate dukha/miseries/unhappiness." By historical,theoretical and practical incidents it is clear that sanatan-hindu-vedic dharma provides the best bet towards achieving this goal. He was also titled,"Nikhildarshan-samanvayacharya" for he reconciled all the six darshan shastras as well as the four philosophies of the previous jagadgurus. He established the common goal of the six darshan shastras as :To eliminate misery through Sankhya,Mimamsa,Yoga,etc. BUT he proved that elimination of Misery DOES NOT imply gaining of ananda/sukha/happiness. By this one factor,He placed Vedanta ahead of ALL the Darshan Sastras by displaying perfect knowledge of all the Darshan shastras. Thus if anybody understands that each and every religion points towards one Supreme Truth,it has to be only the followers of either of these two. There is absolutely no other person on earth who can quote profusely from all of the six darshan sastras and leave it in the infinite ocean of Sri-Krsna-Bhakti-tattva.

verse 22: We have many gods,who are without consorts like Bhagavati Sita,who are unadorned by the bow,Who are not revered by Sri Laxmana or Shatrughna,who are not of such terrific valour,who are NOT CAPABLE of killing Lankeshvara(Sri Brahmadeva used to recite vedas in lanka.).Oh holy name of Rama,enough of all such gods,Sri Rama alone is enough for us. (Confirmed by countless Mahatmas who teach ananya bhakti toward Sri Krsna)

verse 13: Salutations to the Creator of the Universe. (Confirmed in the Brahma samhita and hordes of smritis that Sri the one who lies on the Garbha ocean/Garbhodashayi Vishnu Expands into Brahma,Vishnu,Mahesa.) Salutations to the destroyer of the Universe Salutations to the enjoyer of the universe. (Corroborated in the Bhagavatam where Sri Krsna is described as the Supreme Enjoyer.It also confirms the statement that Sri Mahavishnu expands as Shambhu to enjoy prakriti.) Salutations to the Measurer of the Universe. (Lord Vamana) Salutations to the caretaker of the universe. (Paramatma) Salutations to the conqueror of the universe. Salutations to the Father of the universe. (Tvameva mata ca pita tvameva Divyo Narayano Mata,pita,Bhrata,Suhrd Gatih.) Salutations to the Mother of the universe.

Verse 6: A moon light like Shining smile plays on His beautiful crimson lips(still think he's not a prema bhakta?).His Brilliance is unmatched even by millions of rising suns and moons.His feet are worshipped by the aarati of the radiating lustre from millions of gems adorning the crowns of PROSTRATING BRAHMA,RUDRA, and other gods. Now,if any rascal claims that Sri Ramacandra was an ordinary human,or that He is subordinate to Sri Shiva,even after knowing these revelations,is only fit for hell.

Verse 3: "I adore Sri Rama,The WHOLE,the GREATEST ONE,Whose name is uttered in the ears of the blessed devotees in Kashi at the time of death,by none other than Lord Shiva Himself(The fact is only stressed in the phala Shruti of Vishnu Sahasranama,where Lord Shiva reveals that "Sri Rama rama Rameti,Rame Raame Manorame Sahasranaam tat tulyam Rama Naam Varanane" Sri Ramacandra's Name taken once is as good as chanting the Entire Vishnu Sahasranama.) .This Form/Name of the Lord(Taaraka Brahma) is capable of rescuing devotees from the ocean of Samsara."

Ramabhujanga stotra: Verse 1: Vishuddha param sat.Chit.Ananda rupam .... sukhantam svayam dham Ram Prapadye. I take refuge in Sri Rama,Who is the PUREST,the GREATEST,Who has a form of SAT.CHIT.ANANDA. Who is the repository of innumerable good qualities,while Himself NOT NEEDING ANY SUPPORT. Who is the MOST WORSHIPFUL,who is ALL-PERVADING,the most resplendent One,Who is enthroned in the hearts of all beings(Confirmed By the Lord in the Gita Himself and Also as Srila Vyasadeva,He confirmed it.) Who is ABOVE all the THREE GUNAS of Sattva,etc. (Ishvara Paramah Krsnah, Sat.chit.ananda Vigraha.) Who has no MATERIALISTIC PLEASURES and Who is SELF SUPPORTING. Now if any rascal Mayavadi considers that Sri Bhagavan's body is in sattva guna i.e. under Maya,is the biggest offender of Aadi Jagadguru. He will not only be demoniac but also be considered having very little intelligence. Atleast Ravana was intelligent.

Shankar bhasya on gita. Introduction,verse 9 Salutations to that Supreme shining One, Whom the creator BRAHMA,varuna,Indra,RUDRA,marut and all divine beings praise with hymns.(Confirmation: Brahma Samhita and Sri Shankaracharya's Prabodha Shudhakara.) Whose glories are sung by the VERSES OF THE VEDAS, (Confirmed in the Gita By the Lord Himself,when He says that He's the Compiler of the Vedas,Knower of the vedas and to Be known through the vedas. Gauranga Mahaprabhu states: Shastra veda kahe sambandha Abhideya preyojana; Krsna,Krsna Bhakti,prema ,ye teen mahadhon. translation: Trhough Sastra and Vedas only three things/treasures are to be known: Our relationship with Sri Krsna(sambandha),How to attain Him(abhidheya) and the Superexcellent end result on attaining Him(Prema)) And whose glories,the UPANISHADS proclaim in unison! Whom the YOGIS see with their minds absorbed in PERFECT MEDITATION. (Corroborated by Srila Vyasadeva when He desribes the class of transcendentalist who worships the Pramatma feature as YOGI.) And Whose limits ARE NOT KNOWN by the hosts of Demons or Gods. To Him,the Supreme God,Krsna,be all my salutations.

Frankly,I am just bored replying to your never ending speculations. Clearly,you have no intentions of actual debating ,OTHERWISE you would've addressed the posts which are the essence of my whole point.(No. 125 and 127) If you cannot or don't want to,Please don't harrass me with useless speculation(Useless,this adjective is meant to denote the nature of your imperfect speculations and not yourself.No offense.)

Wow....Your last post just established faulty perception of all the traditions. Advaita is faulty fundamentally. Go ahead...Quote Quote. But quote atleast 1 verse from Sattvic puranas,establishing Durgadevi's superiority of Sri Krsna. Just ONE.

Mayavada/smarta/Shakta/Shaiva philosophies are the ones that help you identify the thin boundaries of Bhagavat Dharma.If there were no other philosophies in the kaliyuga,the unintelligent person would have passed off anything as falling under "Bhagavata Dharma".The lord had to appear as Buddha to stop similar activities going on in the name of the vedas. This time around He sent Shankara.Big deal.

But Sri Gauranga Prabhu has categorised as Nitya baddha and He used the termed 'anaadi kala bahirmukha'. The eternal relationship is irrelevant in this context.Your incessant quotes about it is frankly not helping matters.(no offense)

Vaishnavi means- maid servant of Sri Narayani. And there is no doubt that Sri Durga is Shiva's wife. For the Supreme Lord Does NOT consort with His apara potency. He manifests Himself as Divine Halo,Shambhu,who consorts with Maya and creates this material manifestation. Whereas,the original Durga,who reigns in durgaloka in the paravyoma(Spiritual sky) can be considered as the Direct manifestation of Cit/Para/Rama sakti,Just like Sadasiva is indifferent from the Supreme Lord. Just like Sadasiva is described in the Vayu purana,So Durga described in this scripture must be Her.There is no issue at all. We call Shiva and Durga as 'h'im and 'h'er just to maintain the tradition. We have nothing but respect for Them,They being actually indifferent from the Lord.

Lage raho.Lage raho. Oh by the way,what do ganpatyas,Shaktas,shaivaites do as sadhana?? It is a sincere enquiry.

Chandu, Once again,I am not here to support your agenda of 'go Hinduism(anti islam rather)'. This is a thread meant to understand the supreme truth. You can take your 'hinduism' out of these walls rather than expect me to 'shut up'. As for your remarks about "a small time guru".... We ALL have been present in the same room with MILLIONS of incarnations,MILLIONS of times.BUT we couldn't understand Their position even once. Hari and Harijan have been in front of our material eyes for countless number of times. When you say,"Small time guru",it only reflects the pathetic grasping power of your material faculties.(No offense).

I Think bija sums it up quite precisely. No ONE FALLS down from the spiritual world. I'm beginning to think...some pple actually manipulate Srila Prabhupad's lectures.

No ! Not just 'attentive chanting'.! RUPA DHYAN. Do Rupa dhyan. Remember the lord's/Radha's/guru's form. You might commit offenses when remembering your guru...for you do not even know what is the form of your guru's siddha deha/body. That's why only Sri Hari's/Radha's rupa dhyan is considered. Srila Rupa Gosvami says that Smaranam is the most importanat in raganuga bhakti. Sri Gauranga Mahaprabhu has divided Sadhana Bhakti into : Anasanga bhakti(Only with senses) Sasanga bhakti(Mind's involement is central). He further accepted sasanga bhakti to be superior. "Bahu janma yadi kare shravan kirtan,tabhu naahi paaye krsna pade prema dhon" Smaranam is the most important. Mind has to purified first.Automatically senses get purified since mind controls senses. Conclusion: Don't stop kirtan.In fact envigorate it with Smaran.Only then will we cry humbly.Crying in front of the lord is a must. "Become meaner than a straw on the street". Remember the lord,His name,His qualities,His forms(Shyamasundara,etc),His abodes and His parikar(your own guru/Radha/Laita/Vishakha etc). The mind should remain in above enumerated things ONLY. Hari and HArijan. Guru and Gauranga.That's it. There is a technique of sadhana.You've to first CONCOCT(for we can never know with our material mind) a divya/spiritual body that is yourself.With this body now you have to serve the Spiritual lord and the Spritual master(not advised). Only if you remember the Lord,will you cry for His mercy.Only if you feel again and again in your mind that,"Oh,Bhagavan/His Dhama alone can give me unlimited happiness.Oh! He is spiritual.Oh He's so kind.Oh! He loves His devotees.Oh! Smelling His feet will throw me in a sea of bliss.Oh! I want to have His sweet vision". Such yearning alone can attach your mind to Sri Krsna. And Unless you remember His from(rupa dhyan) you'll never get such yearning.