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it is the same tattva Brahm-paramatma-bhagvan. Read. The spiritual effulgence emanating frm lord Govinda- Sri Narayana in the superexcellent vaikunthas- Sri Shyamsundara. All 3 are indifferent.But due to retention or display of sme powers,they appear different. Brahm doesnt display aishwarya or leela madhurya. Vaikunthas dont enshrine leela madhurya.They hav opulence.grandeur. Goloka displays the ultimate form of madhurya rasa...eg...the rasa displayd by gopis of vraja...Shankara pleaded his wife to dress him up as a gopi and take him to rasa lila.Parvati relented and thus shiva is cald as gopesvara...he was so anxious to becme a gopi,..becoz thats the highest,unimaginable state of love of Godhead... Lord Govinda had a good chuckle at the bearded 'gopi' bt obviously aceptd him in the lila.

theres 1 litle snag i came across...shiva shakti are jeevas..? Thats seriously a tad bit stretching of the reality. Shiva or shankar or i dnt knw wich 1 is definitely nt jiva tattva...There is the mahesa dham beyond the material jagat,mahat...Shiva is the embodiment of qualites which cme to bout 86% of divinity.lord Brahma is 74%.so also are jeevas,bt their qualities are suppresed...Sri Narayana ? Do u hav to ask -96%. 100% is who ? Govinda of course. Note percentage implies presence of qualities.This doesnt mean that Sri narayana is less powerful.He just doesnt display those powers(e.g. Display of Leela ).Just as Brhamjyoti doesnt display any power at all.Only Satta is there.Brahmjyoti is udaaseen...it doesnt do anything..

in the previous post i meant to say, ''u shud NOT take him seriously.'' And supercrow,come on...grow up...by offending param bhagvata,lord shiva,ur only bringing ur own demise...its actualy vrv sad 4 vaishnavas.they smetimes unitentionaly ofend shiva and so do shaivites ofend vishnu.Bt bhagvan Himself states that He may 4giv ofense at His holy feet bt nt against His bhakta...v r doomed,oh vaishnav brethren..lol.

hey,the guy who just wrote the post b4 ashok...A-M-Azing ! ! ! I personaly cudnt hav put words in even close to what u hav done...unless,the gr8 god rudra replies along the lines of acepting Sri purusha sukta as it is,i dnt think u shud take him seriously. Although i am nt an iskcon folower,i dnt knw why u shud say that no 1 cares bout iskcon.I hav all the reverence in the world 4 srila prabhupad....he's 1 of the nitya siddhas.

dear asoka, The vedas are 'apaurusheya'.They HAVE NT BEEN WRITTEN BY ANY1.The vedic knwldge is eternal.It is nt mutilated,interpolated in any way.Simply becoz the vedas r so holy 4 the hindus that they CANNOT dare to change them. Also,the vedas folow 'paroksh vaad'. At 1 plce,the ved wil say 1 thing and then a cmpletely difrnt thing elsewhere.Vedvyas declared,''oh humans,do not read the vedas! Vidhi(lord brahma) couldnt understand them,so u wil only ruin ur intelligence by trying to read them.'' At another place vedvyas says that the ved is bhagvad swarup and only the vedas knw brahm. So hw are these pple quoting profusely frm the vedas ?...is the real question v shud be asking. Its ok till 1 point,bt then 1 smarta 'thinks' that 1 veda mantra was smething difrent originally and he declares that another sect has manipulated the veda .He is clearly applying his material intellect to the subject.YOU CANNOT SPECULATE IN MATTERS OF THE VEDAS ! The knwledge of the vedas emerged when the 1st purusha incarnation exaled.It is Brahm-shvas.The knwledge is divine.It has to be understood via a realisd mahatma.Kshotriya Brahm nisht mahapurush. Eg...suta gosvami taught maharaj parikshit. Narada taught veda vyas.

Vaishnavism is a minority. Notwithstanding the fact that Sri Shankara has written a 100 word poem describing his transcendental spritual state on remembering sri krsna, and that Vivekananda had taken hookah and meat on his voyage,there are no other saints who classify under your "majority" side of the religion. Tukaram Kabeer Meera Tulsidas Guru Nanak surdas naamdev chokhamela purandar jeev rupa sanatan gopal bhatta gosvamis ramanuja[jagadguru] madhva[jagadguru] vallabhacharya Vishnu swami Nimbarkacharya[jagadguru] Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu[jagadguru] Jnyaneshwar ramdas Sri Rambhadracharyaji[jagadguru] Srila Prabhupada[who equals thousands of jagadgurus] and of course Sant shiromani,Jagadguru Kripaluji maharaj[jagadguru] Minority? Hardly.Millions go every single year to Pandharpur. Millions visit Jagannath Ratha Yatra. Millions visit Badrikashram[shankaracharya restored badridham if you recall.] Countless pple follow these excellent,exalted saints. How many will walk thousnds of kilometers to honour,say vivekananda's beliefs? Sorry to awaken you to reality,but the answer is NONE. Smartas and Mayavadis may have all the discussions in the world.Dry speculation.It just satisfies their egos."Oh yes,I am Bhramn."But they CANNOT GO BEYOND THAT.Because the first step in spiritual realisation is ANTAH KARAN SHUDDHI.Shankara himself proclaimed this to his mother,that the mind CANNOT BE CLEANSED WITHOUT SINGLE MINDED DEVOTION TO HARI. No other saint has had a bigger impact than tulsidas.You may think different,but that's where the problem lies.It's what YOU think. And do correct me if i am wrong,how many jagadgurus has the smarta tradition produced? That's right.NONE.

HOW DARE YOU DESECRATE THE VEDAS BY SAYING THAT IT HAS BEEN CORRUPTED AND INTERPOLATED.Has the tenets of Smarta tradition filled so much pride in your head that you are getting delusions of self grandeur?? DO NOT

How should I know why he did not tell Madhva and Shankara bout them.If you know why then plz enlighten us. HE DID NOT HAVE THEM WRITE COMMENTARIES. There is a certain collaboration between Bhagvan,His associates and His incarnations.They collaborate,they plot,they execute the actions as we know them,with the agency of Yogmaya.When aadi shankara started the fictitious advait dharma,he did so by first discussing it with his consort as to why he was resorting to trickery.The discussion falls in the tantra sastras. He says that it is Bhagvan's wish that he start a pro-buddhist religion. But as you may be aware,he clearly tells his mother on her death bed to practise devotion to Sri krsna. {And please,just use an honorary term before the usage of the Name,Vishnu,Krsna etc.It is Sri Visnu tattva we are talking about.anandam-Bhram-Yonih DUH}

It's not my logic.It would be rsi Markandeya's logic.A mahatma is a mahatma.Vyasadeva was not some ordinary scholar who would hand duties to mundane intellectual pple.All the rsis were his disciples. And from wich angle does "my logic" tell you that Lord Vishnu is not supreme? In sattvic scriptures,it's written he's supreme.In rajasic scriptures it is written He is Paramatma and in Tamasic scriptures also it is written.It's not contradictory,it stresses the fact.

How do you know it is a gaudiya text? Did lord Bhrama mention it to you in one of your previous births that he is writing it for Lord Caitanya???

"....Krsno ha vai Hari paramo devaha."..Ved. "Ishvara paramah krsna.... Anaadir aadir Govinda sarva karana kaaranam."... Bhrama samhita. "Jeevera swarupa hoi krishnera nitya dasa."...Sri Caitanya mahaprabhu. So,Krsna is the last word in absolute truth. "Kimbru matwam yashode.... Tat purna bhramn bhumau biluthati krod: marao dhukamam." -Narada says to mother yashoda. translation-"Yashode! look how Parabhramn is crying to go in your arms." So yes,Lord Krsna is the Supreme personality of Godhead.He is Bhramn{Ananda-Bhramn-Yonih} He is Ananda itself.And jeeva vishisht bhramn[i.e. us,jeevas] are the ansh[eternal atomic particles of ananda/bhramn ].Just like a candle flame points upwrds towards it's origin,the sun,So also,the jeeva is searching for Ananda/Bhramn.And that is Sri saccidananda kanda,Sri Krsna.Even Shambhu,vidhi,Hari are restless for His Darshan and as soon as they get it,they fall on the ground,struck with infinite,indescribable,spiritual happiness,for He is Govinda,The entity who gives happiness/ananda to all the senses[go] in the spiritual as well as material universes. Today,they are showing this yogi and that yogi,bhasma yogi,fire yogi, on the main page.Go and ask that yogi,Is he happy eternally. He will answer no. Why? Becoz he hasnt attained ramanand,shyamanand.Sanat kumara says a beautiful verse in this regard.Who is he? The ultimate authority on Bhramanand.Forgive my inability to recall the verse.My memory is pathetic.

once Sri narada visits Sri krsna's house and witnesses 1 astounding vision.Sri krsna is pulling Mother yashoda's sari and crying and flailing his legs,begging His mother to take Him in her arms. Narada thinks to himself,I knw that the principle is that the jeeva cries to go in the arms of Bhramn,but what is this ! Bhramn is crying to go in jeeva's arms.Narad is confused.Then,obviously,being a bhagvata,he could fathom that this is the work of yogmaya.She makes Bhramn forgets His Godhood and the mahapurush,his original position.Then he said to yashoda. ''kimbru matwam yashode kati katih sukritah kshetra vrinda ni purvam, Gatwa ki dhit vidhamayi katih katih sukritah nyarjitanitva aiva, No shatro na swayambhur .... ... Tat purnam bRAHM bhumau biluthati bilapat krod: marau dhukamam.'' Arey yashoda ! purna Bhramn is crying to go in your arms and you say,'' no no ! i hav work...i dnt hav time for you !'' This is the same bhramn who doesnt grace brahma,indra and shambhu with His vision !'' he further says to her,'' Oh ho ho,bada bhaari kaam hai..!''

Ummm,,i'm not sure that this is the real deal....Bhrama samhita,a treatis written by lord bhrama says,"Isvara parama krsna,sacidanand vigraha,anadir aadir govinda,Sarva karana karanam." The skanda purana,being a scripture for those in the mode of ignorance,obviously gives elaborate description of the magnificent 10 forms of shakti BUT in the end,markandeya Rsi VERY CLEARLY STATES THAT ALL DEMIGODS ARE ENERGIES OF LORD VISHNU AND THAT HE IS THE SOLE PROPREITOR AND MASTER OF ALL THAT BE. Besides,the vedas were scripted by Srila Vyasadeva.That is common knowledge/.The vedanta is the essence of the entire veda.That too is common knwledge.BUT,Vyasadeva Himself wrote the natural commentary on the vedanta.Now,if any person who thinks that he is at a better position that Dwaipayana Vyasadeva,then he is the biggest fool.So,if we accept the vedanta,accepting it's natural commentary is imperative.What's that commentary? Srimad Bhagvatam.That,sir,answers all the ignorant questions which are generaaly posed by smarta,shaivites,shaktas,mayavadis and God knws what.

I didnt hav tim to go thru all the posts.....but one of them struck me...Someone said that Srila Prabhupada does not know for sure that Jesus was an incarnation of Krsna...that he did not have jnana. That is,I'm afraid...wrong. A devotee who has attained superexcellent love of Godhead also attains all His attributes.God gives him all His powers,including jnana of course. When you say that Prabhupad did not know for sure this and that,you imply that God has incomplete knowledge...The guru is antaryami.He too has knowledge of everything.