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radha mukunda,its just 1 snag i hit...gopis were not TAPASVIS..tapasya is rigorous,selfish and often mundane.NO.vraja gopis are like the 'dadis' of mahatmas. The bhagvatam describes the state of bhava that Radharani is in,''There is fire.That fire has immediate smoke at its tip and a swirl of smoke many feet above the flames.The word used for the particle of this swirl of smoke is 'lavlesha'. The lavlesh of the conflagration emanating from the fever of seperation that Radharani experiences for Mohana is so DEVASTATING,THAT IF She were not to subdue it with yogmaya,if She were to release that particle of smoke,THE ENTIRE CREATION CONSISTING OF INFINITUDE OF UNIVERSES WOULD BE REDUCED TO MERE ASH.'' Its a greater affair than the mahapralaya.This is 'veeraha'/separation.Gaurang Mahaprabhu was on this level. That is madan bhava.That is the level of Radharani.Most rasiks believe She is the main entity on the Mahabhava level.

1.Brahm is in equilibrium ?Tha ts ur understanding of Brahm ? But shankaracharya says that Brahm is inert.It is without any form,name,qualities,abode and body.It is.Brahm HAS/DISPLAYS NO QUALITY WHATSOEVER OTHER THAN THAT OF SATTA.it is satta matra brahm. Shankaracharya's brahm has the only potency of preserving its Supremacy.No other display/transformation of power is experienced. It cant hear u.Shankara prays,O Brahm,enter my heart and purify me.But HOW WIL BRAHM ENTER ?AND ISNT HE ALREADY IN YOUR HEART ? Jagadguru kripaluji passes a light joke in this regard,''shankaracharyaji ka screw dheela ho gaya...'' 2. I dnt think u understud it at all.Shankara says,' that liberation is attained by jnana which Brahm wil bestow.'The jnana that is cultivated by the sadhak is completely useless when he has to cross maya and mahan.The jeeva CANNOT CROSS PRAKRITI AND MAHAN ON HIS OWN.He needs an entity that has full control over maya.And the Supreme Lord challenges in the Gita,''No one can eliminate Maya,Arjun.She is My divine energy.'' That is bhagwan's challenge to your face. Forget liberation,the jnani cannot even eliminate Vidya maya.Only the bhakta can eliminate vidya maya,by the mercy of the Supreme Lord,in His feature of Bhagwan.Bhagvan and Paramatma are the 2 features of God that show display of all potencies.Only these two features of God can bestow svarupa shakti on the purified soul.Paramatma is the localised aspect,the goal of al sacrifices viz. The four handed Lord Vishnu.Bhagvan is the origin,cause,basis and proprietor of all that be.He is the basis of Brahmjyoti also.Bhagvan is the last word is transcendence and shows full display of all the potencies.Sri krsna is the selfsame proprietor of all that be. 3. As 4 ur thinking that the form of Sri krsna has a begining,a midle and end,arises frm ur gross ignorance.The main problem with voidists is that they think their inteligence is vry developed.But its actualy very impure.You pple hav no knwledge of the pure spiritual truths revealed by those unalloyed souls about the factual kingdom of God.You all are thinking...look,Krsna had a birth,He grew,and He died.But has any of got even the fortune to understand the leelas and pastimes of the Supreme lord ? ignorance is not an excuse..

THAT, is shankaracharya's take on Sri krsna.If you cant understand it(lets face it,none of you are even a particle of dust on shankaracharya's feet.So you wnt understand his bhava.),then atleast go hide your faces where you wont be chastised for your ignorance. Oh and by the way, ''tad nugrah haituke naiva chavijnanena moksha siddhirbhavitu marhati'' Is the commentary of Shankaracharya on the Brahm sutra, Parattu tachhaute: You think you knw advaita better than Shankaracharya ? Wow,here's the 6th jagagdguru...

shankaracharya's salutations,before the actual commentary on the BHAGVAD Gita. 3. I salute thee,o Krsna.Thou art the refuge of the ocean born,laxmi and all of those who take shelter at your lotus feet...salutations to Thee,O Supreme Lord . 4 The upanishads are a herd of cows.Lord krsna,the eternal son of Nanda,is a cowherd.Arjuna is the calf.The supreme nectar of Gita is the milk.And the wise man of purified intellect is the drinker. [shankaracharya is 'baap' of your mayavadis today.He is saying only pple of purified intelect can enjoy the nectarian Gita.Your baap,the jagatguru,is declaring that fools like you can never understand the Gita.] 7. May the spotless lotus of Mahabharta that grows on the waters of the words of Vyasadeva and of wich Bhagwad Gita is the irresistably sweet fragrance and it's tales of heroer,the fully bloomed petals,opened fully by the talk of Lord sri Hari,Who destroys the sins of Kaliyuga. 8 My salutations to lord Krsna,the embodiment of Supreme Bliss. [anando brahmeti vyajanath Anandadhyeva khalvimani bhutani jayante Anandena jatani jeevanti Anandam prayantyabhisam vishanti. -taitereya upanishad,3.3,4 &5. This conveys that Ananda is Brahm.Anand is the cause and refuge of jeevas/bhutas. This supreme bliss is known as ananda....krsnah,saccidananda vigraha.] 9. Salutations to that Supreme shining one,whm the creator,brahma,varuna,indra,rudra,marut and all the diving beings praise with hymns.Whose glories are sung by the vedas.Of Whome,the singers of Sama,sing.Of whose glories,the upanishads sing in full choir.Whom the yogis see in their heart of hearts,absorbed in perfect samadhi.And whose limits are not known to any demigod or demon.To Him,the Supreme God,krsna,be all my salutations.Him we salute ! Him we salute ! Him we salute !

pavitranam pavitram yo Mangalanam ca mangalam Daivatam devatanam ca Bhutanam yo vyayah pita -vishnu sahasranama.(10th sloka) Lord Hari is the most purifying of all purifiers and it is He who gives the power to remove sinful reactions to the ganges and other pilgrimage places.He is the most auspicious of all auspicious personalities(shiva means auspicious one).He is the one who gives to ganesha and others,the power to remove obstacles.He is the most worshipable person,superior to Brahma and all the demigods.He is the eternal,original father of all living entities. ''Shradha bhaktyor bhavepi bhagwannaam sankirtanam samastam duritam nashyatityuktam..'' - shankaracharya's commentary on the above sloka. It means,'Even if one chants the Holy and spiritual names of God without devotion,he is purified and attains to his goal.' Wait,this is the vishnu sahasranama...shankarcharya commented on this one ? Wonder wher is his comentary of shiva sahasranama... Lost,u mite say..? I say, - non existent.

shvu(what kinda name is that anyway ?) 'since you raised the point,the burder of proof is on you' Your so pathetic. Anyway.Shankaracharya tels his mother, ''shudhayati na antaraatma krsna padam bhoj bhaktimriteh:'' - prabodha shudhakara. ''Kamyopasana yarthayanti anudinam kincit phalam svepsitam Kecit svargam athapavargam apare Yogadi yajnadibhih Asmakam yadunandamghri Yugala dhyanavadha anarthinam Kim lokena damena kim nrpatina Svargapavarga aizca kim ?'' -prabodha sudhakara Foolish pple desire and thus work for svarga(material heaven) and moksha(sayujya).I DO NOT WANT ANY OF THAT NONSENSE ! ! I want to simply be immersed in the sweet remembrance of lord Sri krsna.What is the value of svarga and moksa(apavarga) for prema bhaktas of the Lord ? Shvu,here's ur 'burder' of proof..seriously,get a life.

okay,lets supose some person achieves purification of mind through single minded(ananya bhakti)devotion to Sri krsna.What's next? Lets see what shankaracharya himself has to say. ''tadnugrah: haitukenaiva chavidnyanena moksha siddhir bhavitu marhati'' Brahm jnana can be attained only by the MERCY OF BHAGAVAN.The knowledge/jnana which the jeeva has attained on his own after millions of years of sadhna IS USELESS.Bhagvan bestows His mercy/krpa shakti on the person WHOSE MIND IS CMPLETELY PURE. Its quite mind boggling why he shud say that..shankaracharya's brahm is inert.It can neither bestow any 'krpa' nor can it purify any1's mind.Shankara himself states that 'oh my Brahm ! You are inert.' he has used the word 'udaseen' in this context...how wil his inert brahm bestow grace?? Hence,shuddhayati na antaraatma..krsna..bhaktimriteh. This is the link...how many here,who are riding on the advaita bandwagon,know that shankaracharya CRIED in bhava,so that he could attain vision of lord krsna ? ? Its ignorance,i must say,on ur behalf that you make such imbecile comments without even knowing what the aadi jagadguru says.

for all those endorsing the ''all is brahm'' nonsense.... Shankaracharya has laid down 4 prerequisites for any person who wishes to realize the absolute formless. ''Shanto dant uparatastitikshu:'' The first step- shant.Shant means sham. It means full control over the mind.CONTROL OVER MIND,NOT THE SENSES.Any yogi can control his senses on his own merit.None could control their mind.Vishvamitra created a planet by wielding his yogic power.Such a great yogi.But he was so jealous of a bhakta,Vashishta,that he killed his 100 sons.Look at the state of his mind.It is IMPOSSIBLE TO CONTROL THE MIND ON YOUR OWN MERIT. Thats why shankaracharya HIMSELF STATES FURTHER: ''Shudhayati na antar aatma krsna padambhoj bhaktimriteh:'' Without pure devotion to Lord krsna's feet,the mind CAN NEVER BE PURIFIED... What a joke...the mayavadis are such a big joke.Shankaracharya,aadi jagadguru,is saying that the first step to brahmjynana CANNOT BE ACHIEVED WITHOUT SRI KRSNA BHAKTI..and today all these jnanis are posing as jeevan mukta...maya mukta...what nonsense..Pple who think that they can purify their mind without bhakti are the GREATEST FOOLS..Pra mudha.

why is there even a slight doubt regarding sri Krsna's supremacy? Some ignorant persons here hav claimed that every devata is brahm Himself. Anante svarge loke jeye tati tishthati.-kenopanishad. Asma loka duskramya anusmin svarge loke Sarvan kaaman aaptwan mritas sama bhavat: sama bhavat: -aitereya upanishad. Svarga loka is NOT THE ETERNAL KINGDOM OF GOD which sme unfortunate pple assume to be. The above verses declare that svarga is temporary.It is material.Under maya. There are 10 classes of svarga. Right frm manushya gandharva loka to brahmloka.Indra,chandra,brhaspati,Brahma all these come within the mayic purview of the above planes of material existence.All the demigods has material bodies,kaam,krodh,lobh,moha,madh,matsarya...everything is there.the 4 defects of mayic existence-janm,mrityu,jara vyadhi are existent there too.How can you make such unintelligent asumptions ?? 1 universe has a brahma.Its a post.There are infinite universes.So there are countless brahma's.Every 1 of them is under maya.Even brahma cannot cross the outer covering of the universe on his own merit. The infinitude of universes are cast into the Mahat tattva,when the Primeval expansion of Godhead,Purusha,Maha vishnu exhales.During His breath,these universes remain manifested and dissolve in His being again,when He inhales.This is MAHAPRALAYA...this same Mahavishnu is glorified in the shruti...is any thing registering in the ignorant minds ? If u cant undrstand such a simple explanation,u shud be ashamed of your grasping power. And then 1 person goes ahead and says that brahma is equal to mahavishnu.Ha ! Mahavishnu is the same purusha who,when He wills so,goes and lies down in the mahat tattva.He is the one who disturbes the mundane,limited conceptional energy of maya,in the form of His glance.This glance is knwn as Shambhu.This is the verdict of the veda...its quite easy to understand although it is grasped only by a fortunate few.

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tel me one thing...does srila prabhupada mention anywhere Himself that kirtan is equal,in terms of cleansing the mind,to smaran ? ''Smaran manera praan'' ''ananta janma kare kirtan shravan tabhu na mile krsna prem dhan.'' ....doesnt Bhagvan Mahaprabhu say that ? I am NOT TRYING TO DISPROVE ANYTHING.it is an honest query

guys... The tattva viveka of Srila bhaktisiddhanta sarasvati maharaja,krisna...,krishna talk,main forum...is just mind blowing. Read it when the mind is not agitated.It is,by far,the topmost knowledge i hav come across here.

what...are u advancing in bhakti or hav just colectd theoretical knwledge ???? U love to be blunt..Bhagwan doesnt like pple who are blunt...

as 4 the bheda,abheda points,..plz discuss with dark,..he has better knwledge of sruti..etc.

besides, the vedas hav declared there are 11 levels of material happiness. Mrtyuloka(earth) Manusya-gandharva loka Deva-gandharva loka Pitrloka Ajanaj deva loka Karm deva loka Dev loka Indra loka Brhaspati loka Prajapati loka Brahm loka(abode of brahma). So all these devas upto to BRAHMDEV,are under MAYA... If v accept what you say then evry single devata is Vishnu(infinite Brahm yoni) Himself.But then how has the all powerful Brahm come under maya ? How has he got material body(even lord brahma has material body.) By this logic v can defeat the posibility that each deva is Brahm Himself. Since the devas are under maya,they too are tatastha shakti of Brahm.Having come to this point,it can be freely declared that evry single deva,gandharva,indra,brahma,siva is an energy of Sri krsna.

you say that a when a part is taken out of an infinite whole(brahm),then that has to be brahm.That is absolutely corect.BUT THAT PERTAINS TO VISNU TATTVA ONLY. When lord Sri krsna expanded in 16,108 forms,every single 16,108 of them was Bhagwan Svayam.That,the lord achieves with His inconcievable potency.Infinite minus infinite is infinite.Similarly,the lord expands into infinite Vishnu forms.All the forms are eternal and are God Himself. But you applied the philosophy for jivatmas also.That is wrong. 1 jivatma,saubhari muni,in vedic history,expanded his body in 50 forms.BUT,that was COMPLETELY different.There was only 1 saubhari and 49 others wer illusions created by his yogic powers.Besides,when he did that,he expanded his body,NOT HIS SOUL...imagine,the soul is chit.So is Sri krsna.BUT HIS BODY IS CHIT ! The entity,Sri Krsna,His body and His names are the SAME.no difference.Thats what the veda says,Brahm is absolute.His self,names,abodes,leelas,forms...everything evrything is Him.He is sat(eternal).chit(supremely conscious) and ananda(infinite happines.)This same sat.chit.ananda vigraha is the compulsory characteristic of each and every incarnation of Godhead.Frm the vedas,we hav information that Lord krsna has as many incarnations AS THE NUMBER OF JEEVATMAS.There is clearly a difference.He has as many incarnations as the no. Of jeevas.He DOES NOT EXPAND INTO JEEVAS. Besides,the vedas hav never aceptd the devas as incarnations of Bhagwan,so your theory that the devas are as powerful as Bhagwan can be refuted.

harer nama harer nama harer nama kaivalam Kalau nasty eva nasty nasty eva gatir anyatha..., (brhadnaraniya upanishad.) In the age of kali,only Hari's name,only Hari's name,only Hari's name can save you. There is no other way.There is no other way.THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO OTHER WAY. So kindly forget khopda baba,nanga baba...They are ALL EVIL.they just want siddhis.They hav zero spiritual realisation.Siddhis are material in nature.They ARE NOT SPIRITUAL.Hari's name is the origin,the source of all spiritual potency. Exalted sages like Narada,asita,devala,vedvyas,prahlada,sanat kumar,hanuman,every1 has acepted this fact. DO NOT LISTN TO ORDINARY PPLE.LISTEN TO THESE SPIRITUAL PPLE.BECOME INTELLIGENT !!

ok,dhruva...nothing is wrng with ur problem.It is genuine.The problem is those tantrics,aghoris and those cheap pple...khopda baba,bhasma baba,mahakal baba...yuck..These cheap pple are very sick.They wil do sme tricks...walk on water...stand in fire and SOME dumb pple believe them to be divine... Forget the Siva mantra.It might or might not be potent depending on its authenticity.But plz dnt think that Lord shiva has caused this misery.This misery is just the result of sme karmas performd by ur sister in her previous lifetimes.Dont listen to an ordinary man's advice. Lets take the advice of a genuine,ksotriya,brahm nishtha mahatma,who has attaind God. Tulsidas: in hanuman chalisa,gosvamiji explains that 'Mahaveer',this name is potent to drive away pisachanis,evil spirits etc.Do japa of 'mahaveer'. Padma purana: 'The name of Sri Hari is so potent that if a person chants it even once,wheter out of contempt,faith or without intention,he is at once freed frm all material bondage' So better still,chant the holy,primal,eternal Names of God. Best of the transcendental mantras is ''hare krsna hare krsna krsna krsna hare hare Hare ram hare rama Rama rama hare hare.'' This mantra is imported frm the spiritual world.Have no doubt that this mantra wil free you,your sister frm all posible problems,miseries... Tel her to chant with faith that Sri krsna is the supreme personality of Godhead.If you think lord Krsna/narayana/lord Rama to be an ordinary devata,then kindly do not recite the mantra.You wil only cause offense. Thats why Lord siva says: Sri Ram ram rameti, Rame raame manorame, sahasra naam tatulyam, Ram naam varanane. Lord siva declares that any persn who desires to get freed frm material bondage,shud chant the 1000 spiritual names of Lord Ramacandra...that is the only way.

shankaracharya says, Bhaja Govindam bhaja Govindam Govindam bhaja mudha mate. Oh person of foolish intelligence ,worship Govinda worship Govinda !

exactly Amlesh ! Narada,asita,devala hav all confirmed that Hari is alone worshipable...you knw who narada is ,vm ? He can travel throughout the infinitude of universes...he can also travel the paravyoma(spiritual sky.) beat that.

lol,..do u even knw who Para shakti is ? And the very fact that She is cald para shakti,signifies that She is controld by sme1...she is Brahm's shakti...prakriti or her origin-Para shakti is not independent.Brahm is the karaan(cause) and prakriti is the karya(work).That why the Supreme lord Krsna is called,'pradhana purushesvara'.

i just read ur tosh about lord Krsna's form being mayic...that lord Ramachandra recieved His Name frm shakti (seriously ? Grow up.) Nw that u hav comitd the greatest transgression at the holy feet of the supreme lord,kindly do not post here or expect a reply. U hav no idea what the supreme truth is..How He is formless yet having an ETERNAL,SPIRITUAL FORM...you dont knw all this...you are just applying your material,faulty intelligence to the matter...just like ramana maharishi did...you are applying ur incapable inteligence in the matters of Brahm...u think that yog,jnana is superior to bhakti...but thats the prblm...it wat YOU think...its not true..u think bhakti is 4 sentimentals...but its ur immaturity that makes u think like that....shankaracharya himself declared that even the mind canot be purified without Sri krsna bhakti....why am i even teling u this...just dnt expect a reply frm me.

oh i am so sory i meant vishvamitra and not VASHISHTA ! vashista is a great bhakta !

exactly...bhakti is the Supreme most energy of God. Gauranga mahaprabhu says,''karma and jnana always keep their faces turned towards bhakti.They await in anxiety when she wil be merciful towards them.'' And as v all knw,there are only 3 kandas.,''kanda trayatmako vedah, Jnanach karmascya bhaktiscyah.'' There are 3 paths outlined in the vedas,jnana,karma and bhakti.... Vedavyas says,''bhakti is the mother(he uses the word 'janani' in this regard) of all paths.'' So...yog,tapas,jnana,meditation is all useless...it is useless becouse they all are personal endeavours of the jivatma...these processes CANOT transcend you beyond maya.You might be living for 1billion years(indra) or may be able to create one entire planet on ur own(vashishta),but stil you wil always b under maya,u wil hav kaam,krodh,lobh,moha,matsarya,..evry evry thing ! Wat is the use ? Even kaivalya is exclusive state of samadhi,it is temporary.It is futile as an attempt to eliminate maya.Only God controls maya.He alone can eliminate her.

amazing... Just amazing post... Anyway...wat levels of bhakti do narayana bhaktas attain...like rasiks go frm nishtha,anartha nivritti..,prema bhakti... Vaikunthas also hav prema bhakti...i dnt knw....kindly tel me. Radhe radhe