Bishadi

and before that war, who is supposed to show up?

"but lived (experienced) as if purposed", if you're in that position what is often also known as materially successful, the next question should be asked - why there's old age, disease and finally death imposed upon us?

As if purposed but who can say, old age, disease and death are purposed?

the purpose is in the increased potential at each change; such as life evolves, so does knowledge, so as one generation leaves its mark, the next picks up from the previous.

Humility; pridelessness; nonviolence; tolerance; simplicity; approaching a bona fide spiritual master; cleanliness; steadiness; self-control; renunciation of the objects of sense gratification; absence of false ego; the perception of the evil of birth, death, old age and disease; detachment; freedom from entanglement with children, wife, home and the rest; even-mindedness amid pleasant and unpleasant events; constant and unalloyed devotion to Me; aspiring to live in a solitary place; detachment from the general mass of people; accepting the importance of self-realization; and philosophical search for the Absolute Truth — all these I declare to be knowledge, and besides this whatever there may be is ignorance.

BG 13.8-12

 

"However stout and strong you may be, you have to die. You have to give up this body. This body is temporary, but our tendency is to live forever. The scientists are trying how to keep this body fit. One Russian scientist said that “By material science we shall be able to keep this body forever.” They may say like that, but in the history we do not find any evidence that anyone has ever been able to keep this body forever, immortal. That is not possible."

Life in the material world anyway is pretty much just suffering in my opinion no matter how nicely you try to dress it up. If you are lucky enough to develop some sort of faith then there is hope that eventually you will come to Krishna Consciousness and be able to get out of the suffering of the material world. Until then we are all pretty much just rearranging chairs on the Titanic so to speak.

so can you offer a meaning that a child could understand...

as well please share what you learned at a young age; what was the definition you began with

as we see what you believe now

i.e..... life is suffering

The main purpose of the Vedic literature is to establish knowledge of the Absolute Truth and the process for attaining the highest levels of self-realization

 

in which to be in absolute truth, means having the capability to comprehend each action; please realize, equally we each can, with pure knowledge

time has shared the mirage of knowing as knowledge evolved during each period.

but in this period, within our time, by returning to the basics of what 'life' is, almost as if to return to the beginning to observe the very first questions asked by our fathers

can we discuss, what life is?

simply to assist our brethren with Understanding Life.

please be kind and remain unbiased; think of us as building a pyramid; only with solid foundations can is remain standing, but each addition, solid and true (good opinions/additions), then we each offer our gifts to the future

think of 'nothing is for the self' on this one; but for others first (please)

Well the 10 sec delay support Bhagavad-gita 3.27

 

The spirit soul bewildered by the influence of false ego thinks himself the doer of activities that are in actuality carried out by the three modes of material nature.

did we miss something there?

could the three be spiritual (energy/light), the corporeal (mass) and the transcendant (time)?

as for the delay; well in a mass exchange between A and B; t<0 (predetermined)

and what much of the community will not accept

as then the 2nd law of thermodynamics is proven incorrect as well shares that 'life abuses entropy'..... (reason; entangled environment is not addressed when 'walking the Planck')

or carried out by the brain. After all the brain also has to control all the different fates/destinies making essential decisions to actually make sure that people stay for their whole live within their specific result of past actions.

and often incorrect when delayed in 'preconceptions'

yet at 'peace' and one with existence without preconceptions, then the 'correct' action is not prepared but lived (experienced) as if purposed

the beauty to see, is that within each sect or religion there are truths that the other fails to provide

and once a culture is saturated with one, the other fills much of the gaps

but then find such like Islam, that combines the spiritual (Zoraster) with the western (abrahamic)....

just like knowledge; religions evolve

can you all see how the rude like to sell what they have versus honor God with thanks, giving all that is yours for tomorrow?

just imagine how rich a person could be if he 'sold' the final math to understand how all mass and energy exist within time.

basically, the mathematical frame the majority of the scientific world is pursuing.....

i wonder how much that is worth, being just about every country, government and even the educational communities (in US it is a business) all would like to have that math (comprehension).

and what was your point.....?

there is no 10 second delay

as well if you look at the dentrites, you will see how they think it is chemicals moving across back and forth across the dentrites but in reality the exchange is resonant. i.e. see gibbs free energy and how this 'patch' allows for the environment to correct the error of the entropic exchange between a medium.

that very exchange between them junctions is the energy (light) exchanging rather than an electrical 'potential'....

by this basis, find that all interactions of living things is of light

ie.... we do not communicate by exchanging electrical charges, we impose energy (light) upon mass and this is the potential between mass

point being; just imagine how far advanced the sciences could be if someone had listened 25 years back...

as it is when the rude responses came back then as to what prepared a young mind to begin the quest of truth in which none will ever own the knowledge that will unfold equally to all mankind

the knowledge of light is what i do and what most all of my life has prepared for

but it is not for sale

it is all for the children; our future......

the knowledge of light is what combines the 4 corners of mankind

Sometimes one who is very alert so as not to commit sinful acts is victimized by sinful life again. I therefore consider this process of repeated sinning and atoning to be useless. It is like the bathing of an elephant, for an elephant cleanses itself by taking a full bath, but then throws dust over its head and body as soon as it returns to the land.

 

i agree.....

and why the idea of reincarnation is often abused with false premise of beliefs

to reincarnate means; we live in what we do

i.e... every idea, action and imposition geared from a previous teacher, is him reincarnated to the corporeal.

The videos look all nice and inspiring. But I personnally know at least 30 Vaishnavas leaving everything behind and sincerely trying to join that particular matha in South America, but all came back saying without being a local disciple you cannot become integrated.

sounds familiar with most sects of faith

seems leadership like to maintain control

doesn't that sound familiar?

so in a sense, often the faithful are specifically opposing 'God's Will'.....

i.e..... consumption of meat; Life evolved within God, naturally, but man incorporated his own pursuits of what faith or even the definitions of life itself.

So when someone suggests, the cow is the nerve center of life on earth....

please observe the world and find she is just that; to most of the human species on this earth.

so the writing is good; but the understanding is blinded in faith

Ignoring what God has laid in foundation is often opposing to God's will; but it is of men/women who dilute the realities with the mask of service, riding the horse of pride, swinging the sword of deceit.

Oh be certain, the last avatar will mow down the ignorant without even a look back to see them buried.

Likewise, faith will be vindicated with truth; yet removed as the guide of teaching. The religious right will reap the greatest of the heat; they will be no more.

If God is all, including good and evil, then no action takes us futher from God. The seperatness is an illusion.

As such, one could extrapolate that nothing can bring us closer to God as God is always there. Perhaps the key is an awareness, or an awakening to the realization of Godhead.

Here is a paraphrase or quote from Shakespear: There is nothing truely good or evil but thinking makes it so.

 

Namaste

only in thinking we are isolated and do for the self; then evil is born

since we are all of consciousness then awareness exists

wisdom shares; not knowing is norm

knowledge shares; to recognize more, creates greater responsibility

often best to be unaware; if knowledge is unknown

the point is, the contradictions have purpose

Consciousness researcher, John Dylan Haynes, says, a study has revealed that the brain makes decisions about 10 seconds prior to a person realises it.

could you imagine if every driver of an auto reacted with a 10 second delay?

It was 1982 that this 'i' sent a paper to cal tech sharing how the human brain worked...

sharing how the synapse exchange energy at the molecular scale

apparently that delay is well over 25 years; as still they know little about consciousness.....

but this time, no publishing to the 'community'

no one will own what is true ever again

If you are new to the study of Vedic culture, you may not understand all of these ancient Vedic texts or their purpose, or why it is necessary to mention them in this review. However, this study will provide the knowledge for you to begin to see how vast the Vedic science is and how numerous are these Vedic texts. You will begin to understand that there are few topics that have been left uncovered in the Vedic investigation of reality and the search for Truth, and in its presentation of what is God

If we are going to understand the essential truths in Vedic literature, then we must get a glimpse of the content and purpose of its many texts and the expansive nature of the knowledge it contains. The Vedic philosophy encompasses the oldest spiritual texts of any religion in the world, and its subjects are broad and numerous. Its more advanced concepts can be difficult for even the greatest scholars to fathom. The Vedic literature discusses many types of philosophical viewpoints, and studying some of them will let us see that many of the concepts that we accept as new today are nothing more than parts of the ancient Vedic knowledge that had been dealt with and thoroughly understood thousands of years ago. Thus, there are not many ideas that are really new at all. The main purpose of the Vedic literature is to establish knowledge of the Absolute Truth and the process for attaining the highest levels of self-realization

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Srila Prabhupada on What is Guru - "A spiritual master takes his devotee disciples as his spiritual master. That is the position. He thinks that "Krsna has sent me so many spiritual masters." He does not think himself as spiritual master.

as the questions from you (others) open up the humility of what is asked of existence.

He thinks himself their servant.

Because they have to be trained. Krsna has appointed him to train them. Therefore he thinks himself as servant of the disciples.

This is the position. So when one is advanced, he can see the importance of devotees.

No one tells a man to be 'x' ..... they make a choice to be for 'other' over the self.

Advanced devotee never disobeys or disrespects another devotee.

Find one who only talks about Krsna 24 hours a day and cares deeply for the welfare of ALL living entities. Find this person and you have found REAL Guru

 

 

If you are genuin , you do not have to find Guru, he will find you.

again, please keep your eyes wide open for 'truth' even if from a butterfly upon a specific question or from a person down on his luck living in the streets.......

Existence (God) will reveal in due time, look for the truth from existence even if a man shares unknowingly that which is purely true.

Be honest and then ask the questions that needs answering; become the master to any guru.

 

Who is actually worthy of knowing the most confidential knowlege (bhakti) of the innermost thoughts of God (KRSNA)???

 

 

 

 

 

 

Worthy?

that is the tough one to chew on.......

as in each case past or present; still a man

What are the main items that observing knowledge of the elders offers for Peace among each?

Is it the magical aspects?

The companionship?

The methods of compassionate awareness?

What are the key items that bring us together under this branch of understanding?

This could be enlightening to all, so be kind and honest, so we can all learn.

Thank you

allow knowledge to grow...

heck of all the sects ooosually the compassionate are Vedas based

you all got the goods .... just go to the next level

or like they say to folk on their death bed .... go to the light

is this an english lettered forum?

do I need to look up this "aparadhis" ............

or is it safe to say 'I r 1'

If God is everything, then is God also the source of all evil? This is a bit of a puzzle because we accept God as good. Below is a section from a Jewish site that tries to explain God’s nature (using a Star Wars metaphor).

a belated hello.... but nice to see observance to other ideas for 'nectar'

1. The Purpose of Good and Evil

G-d is The Force (see G-d), and thus, there is a Dark Side, too. G-d can be accessed in two ways: through the Light Side, and through the Dark Side. The reason the Dark Side exists is so Man can have free choice and use his mind to choose good over evil. If only the Light Side existed, there would only be good, and Man would have no choice but to do good only—because that’s all there would be. So G-d created the Dark Side, and allowed Man to access His power through it, just so Man could choose between the good and the bad, the right and the wrong.

not bad....

through the light; makes sense in that 'through the light' all things combine, not only metaphorically but also scientifically

as balance comes from measuring 2 sides (i.e.... ms justice herself/Yin and yang.... krisna/Radha) in which by experiencing choice we can measure what is good, and what is bad.

Then to understand the progress of life is by the laws of light; then that progression or evolving progress proceed in a direction that 'good' associations supports life to continue. IN contrast; bad is as a 'loss to the common' in which the consciousness of choice can observe the interaction in which the self can be first of that 'need/desire' as if to isolate the event in a pursuit of the self over existence/life.

Or simply a possession or 'observed' gain can be believed when the only real gain is in assisting by choice; life to continue. In which to give by choice of the self, to assist (compassionate observance) then good is realized by existence. (Items in the pocket do nothing for existence but a real 'loss to the common.')

So if God is all of existence; then in nature we can see the beauty of balance and co-existence.

Since that balance is a perception of conscious recognition then Good and Bad can be understood.

Nonsense, by eating Krsna's Maha prasadam, one is GUARANTEED a human birth in their next life with the opportunity to meet pure devotees of Krsna.

Now that is a blatant fib!

you state 'Guaranteed'............. lying is for dying

the soul and the body both undergo a spiritual transformation. He taught that when the body no longer depends on the sense organs to function, it becomes pure. The soul lives in the body and when the soul becomes sacred, so does the body become purified.

 

seems if 'body' can create life; then if mind understood the ability of body with pure knowledge, then each creation (life) caused by 'mind' would be of infinite bliss. The combining; by the light.

We would like to take you to the kingdom of light.

It is so powerful that it can solve anything if the person is ready to be transformed.

Peace to you and with all compassion, may each; 'see the light'

EDIT: Sorry about the triple posting. A slight problem with connection.

 

leads to this confusion.

 

Of Course, a Shaiva will not accept this. No problems with that.

Wow! seen many a folk walking in the dark, but the warrior must have bumped his head.....

perhaps use a 'light'

about to go hostile on you old timer .... you a lost puppy raging for order but simply by this one thread, you be all over the place

like a warrior in the dark; specifically

Irrespective of whether we get moksha or not, Vishnu wants us to worship Him alone. Hence, it is our duty.

Krishna makes it absolutely clear that worship of devas, Jesus, Popeye, etc. and surrendering to them is imperfect knowledge and only reaches Him indirectly. He also makes it clear that all jivas should only worship Him,

Krsna is not Vishnu. That is like saying Jesus is God.

Without understanding this simple fact

The basic criterion for Vaishnavism is, 'Worship of Vishnu'

God alone. Not diciples, not teaches, not 'gods incarnate'.... not even a Son of god......

To a Vedantin, silence means lack of ability to put up a coherent theory.

Understanding that God has 4 hands,

Anybody who says all paths are authentic because there is one God has not read scripture properly.

The idiocy has reached new levels.

What an understatement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dark Warrior; try silence as your class room.

otherwise go lay by your dish

When I was 8 years old, had a vision of a huge craft during daytime. Still remember it very clearly. It was 1977, and a week later a full blown abduction with the probe/platform, entities and things (the typical type reported). In 1977 the 'close encounter of the third kind - movie' was huge in the mind, on planet earth (it was released in 1977). The visionary, over the course of years sees many things, of the collective...

now remember, you be a part of existence, if another had an emotional experience or better still a collective of people had a high emotional experience; that 'entangled state' can convey and how prophecies were felt. Or simply dejavu has been experience by most everyone.

so be fair and honest with this vision at 8... share the experience with us all

Yeah Bishadi they don't cruise Roswell or Area 51 anymore, it's become too commercial. Besides the bad memories that Roswell brings up they consider it jinxed.

but with the price of fuel and the laws of physics, you would think the commercial aspect would maintain better relations....

or did they tap into a sunday televangelist show and realize there will be no Peace on that planet, and take off never to be seen but by the 'chosen ones'?

in this capacity; call me a 'show me' kind of cowboy

not one to believe in magic without the experience between me and existence

There is abundant evidence to suggest that much of the Jesus myth is a fiction synthesized by people living after the time of jesus, and which bears little resemblance to the historic Jesus. Yet many of these ideas are cherished Christian ideas, i.e. the idea of Jesus being born of a virgin, the idea that he is the son of God, the idea that he was resurrected after 3 days, etc.

Iskcon devotees, who tend to fall all over themselves in their efforts to praise Christianity and Christian ideas, tend to be rather clueless about to fact that Christianity is not at all what they think it to be.

What do iskcon devotees say when the "messiah" whom they think is a "shaktyavesh avatar" is not even regarded as a messiah by many Jewish sects? What do they say when they try to explain away "Jesus as son of God" references only to find that there are even Christian sects that do not accept this idea?

By and large it seems the only think they can do is to start using ad hominem attacks against the person who brings these uncomfortable truths up.

kind of a bummer when all each need to be is honest first and sort out what is truly compassionate and leave out the rest for story telling....

seems that is all much of how stories are observed is often loosing the meaning in the conveyances and interpretations; where one may consider the idea literal they missed much of the wisdom. Or who knows maybe all the religions are 100% fibs?

Lessons are what each religion can provide; recognizing them can be biased and varied.

If you really want a question to ponder; if Jesus was said to die for all the sins of mankind, what happens now? (Per the scriptures; he didn't stay dead)

lol. Who knows...they may be subtle entities. Have you met anyone who has had a ufo/abduction encounter. It is on the subtle plane.

 

But then again that could be just mind.

Subtle plane? Just looked down; both feet on the ground.

Point was; in the three ares of concern; experience, knowledge and relation; with existence........... still no flying dudes from anywhere but this planet........

Even traveled to NM (area 51/Roswell; walked through the shops, talked to people and always open to opinions; still no (experience of) flying dudes from 'out there'.....