Bishadi

and the enounciation of

 

bhajate

 

about 10 years back while speaking to a gentleman in India, he kept asking me about the enounciation of my last name, asked to say it over and over and he said something to me; do you know what it was?

 

he said the name means ..................... and until coming to this sight, the word was never seen that could fits the definition he mentioned....

 

So a question is being asked

 

O learned sages, the first syllable of the word bhagavän (bha) has two meanings:

 

the first is ‘one who fully maintains,’ and

the second is ‘guardian.’

 

The second syllable (ga) means ‘guide,’ ‘leader’ or ‘creator.’

 

 

then what does bhajate mean?

 

Knowing the future does not mean influencing someone in choosing his path.

is like suggest that transcribing the Gita into English was fruitless. A purpose is not often known; yet the experience without predeterminations shares life is simply bliss.

 

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Simply enjoy the ride and upon each experience even if a car wreck; offer yourself to find the lesson; all have purpose!

No adversity imposed to existence is ever removed; can't be undone…….

Then you wrote: In that case there would be many other different wrecks since there is no limit to the stupidity of man. In you believe in the soul, then I cannot afford to make mistake all the time, and if you don't believe in the soul, then there is no guarantee of perfection before our so-called end

where is the similarity?

Perhaps what was mentioned does not make sense? Maybe ask a question.

The point was do not live in what the mind predetermines in thought but experience each moment as if (krshna) intended; there is a lesson to learn (by his purpose, not yours) find it or simply appreciate it (bliss)……

The last point was in time; each moment will not be a loss or a waste or ‘it didn’t happen my way’….. but that with pure humility to existence (submission) then an awareness becomes part of each experience; (what people often meditate for; when it can be at all times)

Thanks….. for the learning experience on that point; you taught me ‘just now’ how to self examine the conveyance of that specific ‘event’ … (our collision (wreck))

 

Same way, Krishna Knows, confessing or not confessing is the same (Shop keeper might or might not be ignorant but ffice:smarttags" /><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com<st1:place>Krishna</st1:place> is not).

So existence never forgets but in ‘confessing’ then 2 things can be learned/felt by what occurred in the interaction (karma is addressed on both sides) The bad returns to humility versus the self; the shop owner is given back the loss as well capable of sharing compassion. Each pole can be corrected versus one side having karma follow. This is responsibility as to be aware of in pure form each become inertly responsible. The example shares a lesson and the observance of truth.

 

Yes you are right, devoid of Truth, everything becomes hell.

But no one wants to inquire about the Guardian of Heaven and Hell. The Judge, the Chastiser, the Maintainer of the Law of Karma

We each are! Equally and as each learns the greatest Good to ‘do’ is to learn the lesson and convey, so the next generation doesn’t ‘do’ the same negative; hence Srila conveyed into English (truths) as he knew fit so others can learn in ‘translations’ as to what the ‘rules’ mean.

This is normal and the end result (via time) is that ‘Absolute Truth’ (what is God)…..

Each moment has a choice; Good: supports life………….. Bad: loss to the common.

This is what human beings are within existence; we experience existence and either do good or do bad in each and every action we ‘choose to do’….

And who are the longest living of all; them who are teachers and the ‘good’ knowledge lives a long time; and we as people identify (remember) them teachers by what they did. Their ‘soul’ continues in life.

 

From the Sri Vedanta Deshika (1268-1387) Sishyakrityadhikara section of the Srimad Rahasyatrayasara:

 

Six Essential Qualifications for a Good Disciple

 

1. The disciple should have the highest devotion for his preceptor.

 

2. The wise disciple spreads the good name and fame of his preceptor to others.

 

3. The good disciple takes care of the guru’s property and his posessions.

 

4. The good disciple protects his guru’s teachings with a view to transferring them to a worthy disciple of his own.

 

5. The good disciple is always grateful to his guru.

 

6. The good disciple leads a pure life untainted by wrong habits and practises. Indeed, he should have the eight virtues of the soul spoken

of by the sage Gautama:

 

Compassion, Patience, Contentment, Purity, Earnest Endeavour, Noble Thoughts, Absence of Greed, Absence of Envy.

 

Perhaps (an opinion) to use the term 'integrity' or the pure 'intent' to 'do good' may be the single best 'identity'

 

Meaning; if good has all them vast opinions, then 'good' can be what is defined where as if a person is only of choice, then what that 'choice' is and how it is derived may be the purest form of identifying disciple.

 

perhaps: "The integrity of choice."

 

Will this disciple; choose correctly?

 

what this enables is honesty of knowledge to exceed obligation to opinions, beliefs or 'guru'.....

 

seems Godhead in itself

 

I'm in Rupa Sanatana Gaudiya Matha, since I'm in Vrindavana, anyone know his address or email for contact!

 

http://www.purebhakti.com/contact-us/centers-mainmenu-60.html

 

India: U.P.- Vrindavana, Dana Gali Sri Rupa-Sanatana Gaudiya Matha , +91 0565-244-3270

take care

 

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If a person possesses all of them or some of them they become glorious. If a person is famous as a righteous man, that makes him glorious.

Okey Dokey!

 

So basically Einstein meets all them criteria and gave up sex as well and married only for "someone to do the laundry"........

 

 

If after studying one can remember a subject matter, a person is gifted with a good memory,

Einstein had the highest glial count of any brain ever examined; memories are fix crystaline structures in the brain matter (not binary electrical signaling); see polaritonics as the sciences just found that they can affix a wavelength upon a structure.....

 

Einstein had one of the greatest memories on earth. As well died with his studies on his lap; still in the 'do' mode............. gotta love em.

 

Problem is who is identifying who qualifies for doing Good?

 

Seems more people know the Big E, than most any other teacher and even as his intent was to do Good.... we can find another side to each coin.

 

This thread was about the disciples and what makes them Good, but apparently other posters may think the teacher definition is being questioned.....

hmmmm

 

 

First locate and then identify yourself lost soul, then you can worry about who I am.

 

seems you are being questioned as to your capacity.

 

If memory serves it seems credentials are all that is important in the guru lineage of this site.

 

So unless you have proof of walking on water; you just a man!

 

Krsna 'incarnations' are vast.

I only know and accept Sri Krishna who gave the Bhavagad Gita. No one else. Thank you

Maybe look at the 10 avatars within Vaishnavism….. Krsna was only one of the ‘men’ born (incarnate) to the physical. “The principal belief of Vaishnavism is the identification of Vishnu or Narayana as the one Supreme God. While the Gaudiya Vaishnavas, Krishna is considered to be the Supreme God and the source of all avataras.”

(incarnations?)

 

Humans nowadays loves to call themselves Intelligence just because they could create new drugs (by stealing the idea from poor people) or launch probes to space or create weapons of mass destructions. True Intelligent species are those who could managed to eradicate poverty, hunger and sickness

And have you done this. Or do you work feverishly for this objective? Or is everyone out to steal ‘ideas from the poor people’…?

What is the contest about? No one owns anything! Either be a do’er or not (bhakti)

 

But it seems you are one sided, I'm wondering when you'll be ask to speak about spirit, whether you'll be of any help.

Even words are a spirit. (sutra of thought)

 

Good, at last some Vaishnavas thought. But better than Knowledge is Bhakti Application of Knowledge - but in Svadharma mode - Selfless action

quality ‘intent’ rather than learning simply what is taught…. Meaning to suggest ‘hey chant this word’ means it was learned words/sounds…and are you suggesting that is what mankind is for?

which is quite different than seeing that water needs to be carried, and wood needs to be chopped and ‘doing it’ …….. that is Bhakti… recognizing there is more to be done and doing what is good…. Sitting in belief does nothing for existence (God)… living to serve the total is knowledge understood.

So like Srila suggested, if not seeking ‘what is God’; demonic. (it’s natures law)

 

Your preacher are the scientists, whilst for others are Gurus.

Quit institutional pursuits at 16. No teacher; just do. As unlike the previous generations this one has access to more data than any guru in all history. So unless, your guru is ‘constantly’ in study and ‘constantly’ writing, then maybe you may wish to pick up where he left off….

More wood to chop, water to carry; knowledge to convey; the universal questions

‘what is God’…………what makes me alive………. Do; not talk about it.

But had you really known the proper meaning of Vaishnavism, you would not have said that.

Vishnu worship even with all the incarnations. (avatars)

Your way is still one sided, neglecting the other aspect, that is the soul.

ask a question that needs defining; as the opinion suggested appears One sided (yours)

What about ‘soul’ are you wishing to know?

 

Yep at a certain level, but when you'll become one day the fortunate rare one, you'll understand that the Father and mother is the same, Our Very Ram

Tao in a sense as taijitu shares? Or the personality of ffice:smarttags" /><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com<st1:place>Krishna</st1:place> combined with Rhada?

Personally the idea rings true when ‘mind’ meets truth; then Bhakti can be pure rather than believed.

Such to know what striking a match will do in a fireworks factory; helps understand responsibility of/to/for that choice.

That is living; when science combines with religion. Each child ever born can comprehend, what is pure within the compassion of the religious teachings.

And since reality only operates ONE way then it is real easy to realize; all mankind will combine by the knowledge of Truth!

 

Why am I here in a Religious forum? For one thing, this forum have become a "religious forum" because a few people believe it is. In my opinion, this forum could be a "self-discovery forum", or "discussion forum" or "idea-exchanging forum" and such.

hindu as a culture is varied from another based on the beliefs system; a religion

 

Truth is within, not from. Ideas change everyday while discussions entangle minds with knowledge.

 

 

 

By stating that it is a "religious forum" you are closing your mind to every other possibilities. If simple thing as this you cannot see, how are you going to find God?

Not looking for God; knowing God is simply by removing any isolation. Each day offers possibilities in which God reveals himself to mind; the seekers lives within each moments, lessons; rather than looking for anything.

 

 

Perhaps humans not supposed to "pursuit" or "understand" God. Perhaps they only need to live.

An opinion as to be of difference from existence; then 'pursuing' becomes a passion of choice often clouded in predeterminations. Meaning to ever feel one has the answers before having the truth predetermines what is being sought before known. Like drawing a mental picture and looking for what looks like that picture; predetermined.

 

 

I don't see why we need to "understand" God

Then why you here? The cultural observance of Hindu is rooted in compassionate oservance to God in life.

in the first place.

 

 

Is this our true intended purpose or merely a foolish egoistic, self inflicted purpose?

ask yourself that question in the mirror; watch yourself closely so to catch any fibs!

 

Or simply are you here to learn about compassionate associations between people? Then you are in motion to learn God; knowlingly or not. The only difference is; how God is observed.

 

 

Think about it carefully.

each moment awake; as each choice is within existence (God)

 

where is isolation from existence except in mind? To combine is Love; to separate is other. As all existence is ONE, then ONE is of all existence; it is innert to know and complacent to simply believe and go back to being an "i" (separated by mind)

 

At their first meeting, in 1922, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura requested Srila Prabhupada to broadcast Vedic knowledge through the English language. In the years that followed, Srila Prabhupada wrote a commentary on the Bhagavad-gita and in 1944, without assistance, started an English fortnightly magazine.

 

 

Recognizing Srila Prabhupada's philosophical learning and devotion, the Gaudiya Vaisnava Society honored him in 1947 with the title "Bhaktivedanta." In 1950, at the age of fifty-four, Srila Prabhupada retired from married life, and four years later he adopted the vanaprastha (retired) order to devote more time to his studies and writing. Srila Prabhupada traveled to the holy city of Vrndavana, where he lived in very humble circumstances in the historic medieval temple of Radha-Damodara. There he engaged for several years in deep study and writing.

 

perhaps a few ideas may stand out on how a continued progress furthers in knowledge and understanding, by example of course.

 

So if the leaders are sitting around telling every body what everybody needs to do, because the old teacher said to do it, then what progress is being led; hence the young often have the ignited intent to further the progress, as the old words can be absorbed must quicker now and before the new is old enough to walk, they can be carrying the load in the trust our teachers should be encouraging.

 

If the power is held by the top without the intent of the total (good); then have then sit with us a while.

 

each are but dust unless becoming firm within the pyramid of truth

 

No. In some unexplainable way your growing richness blesses the whole earth. Each particle that awakens contributes in service to the whole. Maybe is it like this? Bye...sleep time...tommorrow...

 

Peace to you brother of truth.....

 

I don't think we need to confess to the one who already knows our sins even well before committing it.

Then you realize what is and will be is already written/known to existence. That is the advanced class and not much this 'i' dwells in as to prove it mean t<0 in math and most just can't accpet that but it appears internally you already know it......

 

 

Accepting our vileness and surrendering is the real process.

Simply enjoy the ride and upon each experience even if a car wreck; offer yourself to find the lesson; all have purpose!

 

 

Mea Culpa, is only a temporary and mild atonement process which does not remove the sin from the root level.

No adversity imposed to existence is ever removed; can't be undone.

 

But in an example; if a child steals a candy bar from a store owner. It seems the best medicine is to have that child face the owner, be humbled to ask for forgiveness from the one damaged and seek the humble comprimise. One it offers the one committing an ability to atone, directly as well if the compassion is identified by the one harmed, maybe just maybe the humble apology will keep the atrocity from being branded upon the mind of the one harmed and cause him/her the distrust towards another.

 

The point is, to ask directly from one harmed the best hope any could ever have is that the imposition will not continue living in them who are damaged.

 

That is how people live in 'hell' in a literal sense, as we live in what we do.

 

And no one wants to be known as 'bad' .....(loss to the common)

 

It IS to a very large extent a matter of opinion. And Prabhupada was not only sometimes ambiguous, but also practical, pragmatic, and willing to make a 180 degrees turn on his 'way' to correct the course.

 

these types of humility (able to turn around) is a good indicator in observering a compassionate human being

 

On course but the course is not there's; and capable of knowing that

 

True, none of the aspects should be neglected. If we analyze our scriptures, we can see that The Vedas [Thesis] do speak a lot about Physical Nature and that the Upanishad [AntiThesis] is more focussed on the Spiritual platform. The Gita [synthesis], is the only scripture that brings these 2 extremities to a common ground, not neglecting anything.

Thesis, anti-thesis and synthesis (combined)......

 

a development of knowledge and literature represented in a flow process, for the good of ........ us..

 

must appreciate the summary and say thank you; another contribution

 

question; am 'i' the only one getting rich from the developing knowledge?

 

 

Any of these scientific experiments should not be claimed to be false or seen with an envious eye.

Correct just and no sect, belief or culture can be credited with the perfect understanding, as each offer a little piece for the big collection of knowledge.

 

 

The reason is simple, all these scientific experiments gives proofs of the Credibility of the Vedas. Everything has already been said, we are only proving it.

Just as the 'Red' Indians offered proof of how mankind can live within nature without man created machines or even the wheel and have bliss.

 

Or better still; even in egypt and the old summarian writtings upon stone shared 'light' is the key of life ..... and within most all religions on this home (earth) each have represented to the various properties (entanglement/heat/motion/resonance),

 

identities of (the cross/anhk) as well, the ability (prophecies/consciousness) to know how 'light' is that life between mass.

 

soon each can have what knowledge mother earth and father (existence) have provided for to understand, in Peace.

 

What is god?

Consciousness - Cit - is god.

Perhaps God (existence) experiences by consciousness (we the people)..

 

Consciuosness exists in two states:

(1) The bound state: limited and traped inside some matter - flesh, blood, nerve and bone in the case of animal and human beings - called Jeevatman

So is this what mankind experiences when we walk around or talk on the internet?

 

 

(2) The unbound state: unlimited and free and transentandal consciuosness - called Paramatman.

Can you share an example of this in the sense, that each person no matter the creed, may find equal?

 

They are one and the same essentially. All jeevatmans are parts of the one big whole paramatman.

 

Technically we call Paramatman as God and jeevatman as soul, jeeva, creature and so on.

Please offer a setting to observe and define these as the term will be observed on this side, until the reply

 

K.Ravindran

always appreciate contributions (of knowledge), thank you

 

Go ask your Indian Ruling Government

Polish by name but rather a mutt. Not indigenous yet appreciate each color, race, creed.

 

 

India today is not India as it was during the time when Hindus and Buddhists were together. India today are Westernized India.

British occupying then Pakistan split; buddhist still there but not many see buddha as post krsna, in avatar lineage....

 

 

If you think Sri Krishna is a fictional man, that what are you doing in a Hindu forum? Are you here to corrupt Hindus' mind with further evil from your own close-minded attitude? Most likely.

Krsna 'incarnations' are vast.

 

The man born 5k years back, could be associated to Jesus in intent but when 'born' equal in mortality. These types of renditions such as suggesting equality and 'as men, we are simply human'....are where religions get in the way.

 

 

PS : Sri krishna is more real than Jesus.

seems more knowledge is available in regards to the eastern sects than christianity, that I will agree on.

 

 

Except for Hindus and Buddhist, I have failed to see where in history did Religion and Science have went hand-to-hand.

 

funny isn't it especially when the west talks about how great they are even in the areas of medicine; it's a business

 

 

Religion itself have failed to bring about proper mentality in Humans.

agreed. No responsibility. As well rebellion and loss of trust from the little people.

 

 

Of course, to protect their precious (and some-what useless) religions, some people could blame capitalism for failure to promote proper use of Science.

Capitalism (corporations) own most of the universities. Remember alumni were students sending money back to their root schools; this is a wheel that either owns or buys anything interfering with business. That is why that in-bred (cultural) set of priorities of capitalistic (western) ideals is so damaging; it makes sense to 'do' for a profit. Most anyone can agree but then by setting a tone to accept the 'profit' then we (people/a community) are required to follow certain conduct that ultimately corrupts in many levels of compassionate associations/ ie... a legal entity can remove people from property for to call a note by a business, so the human aspect is lost to the profit margin.

 

 

 

Wrong ... there is no "absolute truth" to be found. Anyone looks for an "Absolute truth" will only find an illusion and fall to ignorance.

That is like saying; everything is a lie.

 

That there is no reality to life or existence.

 

Please do not write that there is 'no absolute truth' as existence only works ONE way, and mankind is the only thing in existence that can cause a lie.

 

and every one of them fibs began from words....

 

everything is true to God (Vishnu/Brahman/Laws of nature)... yet mankind is the only thing that can create within an experience of choice.

 

The only thing that can isolate itself to become a living "I" within existence and cause the term 'profit' to even exist.

 

It does not matter what is God to me. My understanding of God could be different and sometimes, unacceptable to you or others. Discussion on what God is is futile. Even more futile is arguing who have the right "version" of God.

Perhaps the question that might come to mind is; 'why are you on a religious forum?'

 

 

So, in a way, any religions which stated that they alone have the true god, could then be a false religion, since humanity comes in difference race and creed and there is no way any one race could have "true god".

That is fair and allows for possibilities.

 

the opening of the thread had a clip that included a comment by Srila Prabhupada's ....... If you want to forget God, then God will put you in such a condition that you can never understand what is God. That is demonic life........

 

Does this idea of the pursuit seem important as a universal intent?

 

And not just the intent to follow a faith but 'understanding' God?

 

If not for you, for others (tomorrow), without looking at yesterday or retaining status quo but simply for the 'good' of tomorrow, doesn't it seem that the teacher was saying something real important?

 

There are so many other interests that Prabhupada's way does not serve.

He is criticized from all fronts.

The traditionalists don't even believe he is properly initiated into the parampara.

There are a variety of GM disciples who need to throw his whole credibility into question, in order pass over him as just some mundane personality.

There are even his own disciples who make apologies for him, 'correcting' his books and his instructions. Whatever the case, since his samadhi a subtle wave of apharada has swept to try to diminish his purity and importance. Those who see him as a threat to their religionist agenda have moved in for the kill.

 

if the credibility of the man is in question then question the content of what was conveyed; as it is real easy to see the intent has always been good.

 

meaning; was he hiding a mercedes or concubines or what ever for the self?

 

most likely not; the issues of questions are caused because the realities of what life is?, what makes us breath?, how we exist eternal?.... the physical truths of reality are becomming in direct conflict with some of the teachings. And these realities are why most pursue a religion (belief) in the first place.

 

Just as now; these conflicts or additional knowledge now upon the world often allow a mind comprehension beyond what a teacher believes true and then when a teacher, says "NO" the rebellion is not so much the students fault but often the teachers failures to prepare the knowledge or learn before the students; just to make sure.

 

the teacher must never stop the pursuits otherwise the students (children) will be way beyond the capacity for the teacher to ever catch up..

 

In basic business; ever note how some manufacturers will hire a newby straight out of college before and old timer with antiquated method of working through issues?

 

The fire department called Audarya a little while ago. They said that the wind is picking up and that the fire will jump the creek. They figure they have about 12 hours. The devotees have cleared any brush near the temple and near Maharaja's quarters. They're working frantically now to clear brush around the cabin. The firefighters won't try to defend it because there's no road to it. And the other devotees yurts . . . waddya gonna do?

 

i can house 2....

 

It's just like the Catholics who disagree with the church's stance on abortion. Instead of finding another church or even starting their own they make trouble for others by hanging around and trying to impose their views over the Popes.

 

Don't like Prabhupada's program then do your own version of sadhana. Don't like what he says in HIS books then don't read them. The point is keep your ****ing hands off them and write your own.

 

again scary when to read the old works, the teachers knew something maybe even today's teacher's do not

 

 

 

 

eko devah sarva-rupi mahatma

gauro rakta syamala-sveta-rupah

caitanyatma sa vai caitanya-saktir

bhaktakaro bhakti-do bhakh-vedyah

 

"The Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is the master of all transcendental potencies, and who may be known only by devotional service, [bhakti vedyah] appears in innumerable transcendental forms. He has appeared in red, white and black complexions, [gauro rakta syamala sveta rupah] and He will also appear in the golden form of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. He will assume the role of a perfect devotee [bhakta akarah] and He will teach the conditioned souls the path of pure devotional service [bhakti dah]."

Sri Caitanya Upanisad, Text 6 (3)

 

that it is when the four colors of mankind (honoring each with compassion) that the final words are completed

 

if it was all about the 'me' the words would already be done

 

but the commitment to existence (God) far outweighs anything call 'me'

 

so the process of change is the experience to enjoy until then

 

 

 

 

saranagati, surrender to the almighty Godhead.

(This saranagati is the very life of the true devotee)

 

The ways of saranagati are:

1- humility,

2- dedication of the self,

3- acceptance of the Lord as one’s only maintainer,

4- faith that Krishna will surely protect,

5- execution of only those acts favorable to pure devotion, and,

6- renunciation of conduct adverse to pure devotion.

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great practice

 

and if these rules had been understood 25 years back when the truth revealed itself, then Mea culpa.... would not be one of my known sins.

 

Meaning; I chose to learn for these last 2 decades to make sure what was being understood was true but if I had been knowledged to the point as now, perhaps much of the corruption we are experiencing on this earth could have been avoided;

 

but we should all know; we are simply pawns to existence (vishnu) so a trust is known yet still; this idea 'Mea Culpa' is something i can only wish to let go of

 

as for when folk chose to defile, discount and isolate the truth when it is upon their site; then let them know the same

 

And of course the writer is the guy who determines what precisely is the "Prabhupada's way"...

 

that's a scary thought

 

Prabhupada's Way or the Highway! BY: GOVINDA DASA

Jun 24, ffice:smarttags" /><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com<st1:country-region><st1:place>USA</st1:place></st1:country-region> (SUN) — Prabhus! What is this talk about the Modernist's way or the Guru's way or the middle way? I don't know about you, but I joined the movement in the early seventies because of Srila Prabhupada. I chose his way.

A choice.

If someone does not like that, what are they doing here?

Same question as why did Prabhupada come to the <st1:country-region><st1:place>USA</st1:place></st1:country-region>?

Heavy words you may say, but think about it. How many possible ways are there? I remember a joke I read - If there were ten 'new agers' in a room there would be fifteen different philosophies (ways)!

So then the previous question was moot? “If someone does not like that, what are they doing here?”<?xml:namespace prefix = o />

 

Either we are here because we want to follow Srila Prabhupada's way or we are here to cause trouble. It is as simple as that, folks.

or to learn, consider and then share questions not even the best of the best, may not have been exposed to. such that prior to Srila, there was not usage of the internet and the volumes of material available times 100k that was available back then.

 

The 'Pro Choicers' would have us believe that Srila Prabhupada's instructions are too complicated for our little brains and intelligence.

Rather the other way around; as it appears the faithful are too busy being stuck on One set of beliefs rather than maintain the precept of compassion and honor the forum of articulation in which all parties can associate for the benefit of others, the future.

 

But they are lying. They are complicating things to confuse us. Prabhupada's way is simple. In our hearts we all know that!

As you confirmed; the truth will open up frames of reference a belief cannot append or relate too.

Our history is full of devotees who wanted to do things their way.

such that to convey the vedic beliefs and conveyances into English; was new, different and of the cause of promoting the quality of a teaching within a world of various religions that do not fit or assimilate the same ideals.

We should all be thankful are of the compassion to ‘do’ for the development of what is ‘good’ by intent.

 

I am sick of hearing 'O ISKCON is not the same anymore.'

ISKCON is not a ‘corporate’ faith as even Srila, said remove the collective unity of each site. Each site must develop within its own environment. So ISKCON is not supposed to have a governing position; as a religious entity.

 

They are right! It is not the same because of these people changing everything that they can get away with.

Such as this thread; barking as if a kid whining about getting his way.

Where will we be in ten years time if we are thinking like this now?

Maybe go back to the books; look up kali yuga and the return of the kalki; it was written; it is reroute like a freight train. Don’t get mad with self as the defensive mechanism but humble yourself to commit to God (existence)

Grow up and learn a bit and get off the high horse as if you are really something special to existence.

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He is someone that you always try to evade from.

Is that advice or summation?

 

Very few good comments or questions from that person. Not the President or Pope would i move aside for or by intent.

 

All three seem to have a chip on their shoulder as if important. AS if have they have no dirt in their closet like the rest of us. When a man can walk on water, then maybe 'we' are not equal otherwise that person is rude with pride.

 

 

I suppose for you, God is Nature.

 

Nature is simply like brahman or samkhya (tao) the representation 'of' within Vishnu; the total of existence; One; God.

 

And for the realist: Mass,energy,time; ONE.....

 

it is the only representation within all the descriptions on earth that literally 'equates' to what the word descriptions share.

 

What is beautiful is the personal aspect of knowing our entanglement to existence (God Himself)...... as well as what consciousness is within.

 

these are what the Truth reveals....