Bishadi

 

What do scriptures say about this? Does a soul ever become bodyless?

Yes and No.....

 

Soul as having mind; no more.

 

Soul as being the energy of that 'i' left upon existence; continues.

 

 

What about after liberation?

then each can 'create' life and know it is their life continuing; with clarity of understanding

it can be shared that a 'resurrection' could be assimilated from the Osirus/Isis of Egyptian Pharonic story where Seth kills Osirus and Isis revives him and the conceive a child; Horas.

 

But it seems by combining much of written knowledge; perhaps in the 1st century; he was considered dead; but maybe he was not.

 

Biblically; Jesus was taken down from the cross after 6-9 hrs.

 

And from what I read; back then people were buried alive by accident; yet Jesus was placed in an tomb uncovered (no soil covering body) and then was not in his chamber after three days.

 

Just ideas

 

Behemoth's songs are also quite cool in this context. 'AntiChristian Phenomenon', 'Slaying the Prophets of Isa', 'Christians to the Lions', 'Sermon to the Hypocrites', 'Christ-Grinding Avenue', etc. Blackened Death Metal at its best.

 

Just kidding, of course. In truth, I could care less whether Jesus is mythological or historical. Whether He did miracles, or resurrected is not the concern of Vedantins. Christianity has as much relevance to Vaishnavism as does Shaivism or Buddhism, ie, nothing.

 

when of the dark, in the dark, representing the dark; very little light shines

 

the candle shines no more; recylce the wax

 

I know you're posting these with good intentions, but please stop. It could hurt sensitive people, especially the Sudan photos. We don't have to advertise other people's sorrow to feel compassion in our hearts.

 

to feel is divine.

 

seems a real big nasty event is on the horizon; do not take it personal but realize we will see what many never will; let's learn from each moment what lessons 'are intended' by God

 

Originally Posted by jinglebells

I don't think hatred against one of the greatest thinkers is necessary. It's always the religious people who attack scientists, all the while utilizing the comforts that science gives. Why is that?

 

This is bogus idea. Life without technology is safer, saner, more Enjoyable, more spiritual, less complicated, less lusty etc.

 

JB...... notice how the religious still 'attack'.......

 

 

The last century is a case study of such. Every social atrocity is due to "progress" [in Kali-yuga terms].

We all know the toys and selfish gains of things is foolish....

 

but that does not mean; you know who; did not have pursue; otherwise they would not exist, right?

 

each had lessons; we ate the apple (enjoyed the fruit) and find it isolates us from reality (the garden).....

 

so we learned from the 'car wreck' ............

 

 

 

Even sacrifices "for society" are driven by the notion of reward--lusty rewards, even if petty and fleeting lusts.

 

seems someone has lost all faith in compassion between people....

 

as if God left us.........

a museum today and tomorrow's real world ..........

 

this is why recording the voice, teachings and rememberance of the elders to a tangible 'recording' is good..... in such many will 'need' what they have in tangible knowledge......

 

i.e.... many of the elders have knowledge of survival, history and of the errors made by their fathers; we must keep this for the good of us all.

as when the _______ occurs... there will not be full grocery stores.

 

The magic store shelves wil not be full. People will need to know how to return to mother earth to provide; as purposed.

 

Right now the majority would starve without the magic store shelves.

 

Scientists have made new recordings of the sounds of the earth, and this time its not songs of the whales and the drumming of rain, but charged particles from the solar wind colliding with Earth’s magnetic field.

Sounds is mass with waves. Clap your hands and that concussin is pushing waves of energy within mass.

 

Not much mass in open space so the idea of 'sound' conveying through empty space is kind of short to reality.

 

 

The sounds are blocked from our hearing by the ionosphere, or charged layer on top of our atmosphere, which is good because apparently they sound awful, and reportedly would overwhelm all radio stations on the planet.

Which is like suggesting that to yell real loud will affect your radio stations transmittions (radio) waves.....

 

 

Though scientists had previously thought that these screeching radio waves just oozed into space, recent research shows that Earth’s racket is actually beamed off into space, making it easier for aliens to listen in, should they tire of their own cosmic rock.

No aliens out there.

 

IN such that we are conscious as a species; we have that window to see in all time; please share where a 'seer' recorded contact with one/them.

 

ie..... there are people alive on this earth now who know you are coming to visit them before you get there.

 

the aurora's are ionized H (hydrogen) hitting the atomosphere's oxygen and nitrogen. And when H and O mix, we get a reactions (fire/color) and the 'exhaust' is simply water.

 

i.e.... the earth at its beginning has always had oxygen within the matel / in the rocks (O is almost 50% of the earths make up by mass) and when heat releases O to the atmosphere, as the sun constantly send us H, now you can see how the oceans formed.... over a few years (hint hint)

 

it's a constant process. So when you see the aurora's..... say thank you mr sun sir.....

 

Perfectly said Bishadi.

 

By knowing both the gross and subtle elements individually, and knowing most importantly their interrelation that knowledge can be attained in its optimum level. That is understanding the harmonious coexistence of these 2 extremeties.

 

The knowledge lives; each are important and they do combine.

 

Peace can exist with knowledge upon the minds of men/women.

 

me personally; I tink the kids catch on much quicker but 'thank you' kind friend for seeing with both eyes wide open....

 

This is the one that took a chunk off my cemented wall of a heart.

 

The photo won a Pulitzer prize taken during the Sudan famine. The vulture is waiting for the child to die so that it can eat him...tragedy!

 

 

like the minds of children; stop feeding them and they will die to the vultures.

 

Lie to them and they rebel.

 

Oppress, lie and then repremand; the will do themselves in.

 

So our responsibility is for them children; as we are all nobodies if we think their lives and our commitment to them is not to be absolute!

 

Remember our speicies dies without them; they are our life personified.

 

A point I have raised on this forum in the past - how is it possible for a God to have a human form?

Because God is not a person, place or thing but existence in its entirity; the trinity of mass, energy time..... which is what we live 'within'

 

 

 

But is that not what the soul is - esssentially? As any attributes you assign to your soul now are actually part of your earthly personality. Your likes/dislikes, memories, plans, etc.

 

Wihout memory of the past, we are nothing. Since memory is an atrribute of the physical body, the nature of a soul would be impersonal.

 

Cheers

:)

 

God is quite personal in that consciousness is the window that all existence can be experienced within 'soul'. We can literally experience all of existence....ie..... see elightenment as defined in buddhism

 

Mind is simply for defining what we experience and as you shared perfectly, mind is bound to the body but the consciousness upon that body, is the life eternal and in all parts;............... of God........

 

the phenomenon or property of energy (light) that reveals the application of this truth, is entanglement. Shared energy between mass is entangled.

 

All mass is entangled to existence in time; there is no separation of God from Mankind/existence.

 

so in a sense each is of God, within God.... incarnate so to speak....

 

the differences are found or observed by the choices of the individual; what they impose to existence...... that is how to identify Godhead!

 

I meant to say it's not easy for educated people to believe in a blue-skinned peron playing the flute.

Same guy as the Kokopeli for the N American Indians. They suggest the same thing a flute..... sorry.... he smokes and most just don't realize what the whole flute and incense thing is all about

 

 

As to 'somebody' is conscious, the advaitin will argue that 'somebody' is just an illusion.

isn't 'person' consciousness itself for the 'i' to exist upon mass?

 

 

As proof, he'll ask you to search for this 'somebody' either within or without. In doing so, you will realize that what you call "I" is never restricted to a certain individual,

ah ... prehaps you already know this...

 

 

All this isn't my view,

or is it

because I am vaishnava. I am just giving a good idea of what advaita is about, and why it appeals to the modern mind. And it's no coincidence that vaishnavism in the west always attracts hippies/dropouts more than it does intellectuals. Isn't that odd?

Prehaps many of them smoke too?

 

Though a Vaishnava, I feel advaita appeals to the modern mind, because it doesn't depend much on fairy tales, superstition, faith etc.

Makes sense

 

 

The modern mind refuses to believe in a creator,

As a separate life outside of the existence we experience, sure makes sense.

 

As it appears having a Zeus on a thrown with big feet doesn't work.

 

 

so if Vaishnavas tell him God is a blue-skinned person

'dark skinned' ( a nice tan) as the 'blue' is based from art (blue was a highly valued color) and not literature

 

 

they're not gonna take it seriously. OTOH, comparing the world to a dream appeals to the modern mind,

such as a guy sitting on a thrown appeals to mind rather than reality.

 

 

As to pramana, it's virutally impossible to convince people of the reality of, say varaha avatar that lifted the earth. But to prove that the "I" exists as undifferentiated consciousness (which is what advaita is about) is easy because it's self-evident.

such as Advaita vedanta paramana establishes; basically use common sense.

 

 

For these and many other reasons, advaita seems to tower over vaishnava and other schools of thought, despite Prabhupada and others doing so much to spread vaishnava dharma and krishna bhakti. The modern mind just can't accept these things, when the pull of advaita is so strong.

So for english speaking; that means word in writing offer grounds to think on but remember 'common sense' or personal experience within consciousness... the inner spiritual recognition based in unequivocal truth must be held honestly; before the words taught in literature.

 

What Is The Tragedy Of Life???

 

Not having a straight answer about what makes one 'alive'.

 

Brain dead, aren't you? If you are an atheist, well and good. Enjoy.

 

we on a forum of 21st century technology, while you preach sustaining words of a literature as perfect with infallibility....

 

perhaps the dark force is evengelical

 

I love the way you say Srila's. You make prabhupada sound so sweet and doll-like lol.

 

first time I walked into a temple we had a conversation

 

Vaishnavism may be the ultimate truth, but then, the ultimate truth also states

So which is it?

 

 

that there is one sastra (Veda) and only one Lord (Sriman Narayana). Which means, only devotion to Narayana, with full knowledge of His glorious attributes, is a path to moksha.

But you apparently didn't know 'with full knowledge' ..... does that mean you be left on the dock while the boat goes by?

 

 

Hence, Vaishnavism alone may be a path that anybody can choose, but that doesn't mean everybody chooses it. Because not everybody can, due to karma.

and what hole are you shoveling for?

 

 

) If you are not a Vaishnava, you are free to believe that what we believe is nonsense.

Just the interpretation from the Dark force is being considered nonesense

 

 

I am addressing people who claim to be Vaishnavas here.

Then go in a closet and address whom you wish, but you on the air... stiring karma as you sit

 

 

2) Srila Prabhupada's words again, are not pramana.

Then what you be on this site for.... these people have Srila's in every temple; looking at you

 

 

I have explained it a thousand times. Shut the clap-trap.

 

how about some advice

 

 

Ad hominem is always the last resort of debators who have hit the wall of their intellectual bankruptcy.

 

What brings one so young to the point of suicide & what are the signs to look for??

 

Conflicts of knowledge and experience; false material information.

 

It's all of our faults; take responsibility and do something about it.

 

Them children 'expect' us to guide and share knowledge that combines them with what they experience while alive here in 'existence'

 

if we are not pursuing the 'truth' with absolute fearocity; then we less than 'rascals'.....

 

have them call me; rather than pass them off to some Hot Line.....

 

I have outlined it for you to understand. Its up to you to decide whether you are Christian, Shaivite, Vaishnava or just a Universalist, who feels all paths are authentic. by dark warrior

None but all of the above.

Seems that since Vishnu (God) runs the whole show, that perhaps the revealing of knowledge is not one dimensional. Maybe it is a selfish trait that represents such opinion with absolute bias while intoxicated by prideful ignorance which may come from the Dark side (the force)….

 

From the viewpoint of Scripture, a Buddhist, a Jain, a Shaivite, a Christian are all in the same boat. Souls who have not realised who Brahman is

Keywords “viewpoint’… so we have an opinion and then ‘who’……. That is illogical as God is not a ‘who’….

 

Faiths that are not based on the Vedas are condemned. That is the sole reason Jainism, Buddhism, Shaivism, Shaktism, etc. are invalid. Even Mayavada has a place in Vedanta, but not the other 4 because they have absolutely no connection to the Vedas.

perhaps observe a few words?

tataù kalau sampravåtte

sammohäya sura-dviñäm

buddho nämnäïjana-sutaù

kékaöeñu bhaviñyati

PURPORT by HDG Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada:

Lord Buddha, a powerful incarnation of the Personality of Godhead……

It goes on but perhaps you may read with out all the adversity to others about matter, that may not have been known.

 

'My Pure Devotees are constantly immersed in Me and converse with one another about My pastimes'. This is the duty of a Vaishnava

Then you write

 

No need to go for 'mysticism' or other such process to 'strive' for truth

Meditating could be a form of mysticism. A belief in some magic being; could be a form of mysticism. To experience life without having any idea as to what makes you ‘alive’ could be a form of mysticism….

And then again an awakening to how foolish a person can really be; can be mystical to the brain cavity:

 

Srila Prabhupada …. Technically Lord Buddha’s philosophy is called atheistic because there is no acceptance of the Supreme Lord and because that system of philosophy denied the authority of the Vedas. But that is an act of camouflage by the Lord. Lord Buddha is the incarnation of Godhead. As such, he is the original propounder of Vedic knowledge.

 

I don't think hatred against one of the greatest thinkers is necessary. It's always the religious people who attack scientists, all the while utilizing the comforts that science gives. Why is that?

 

 

That is a fair question and one that many of the folk on this earth would like to know.

 

Funny part is, the truth does not exist by either side of the debate, alone.

 

Shrila Prabhupada inCc Adi 7.31-32 purport:

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"Here is an important point. Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu wanted to invent a way to capture the Mayavadis and others who did not take interest in the Krishna consciousness movement. This is the symptom of an acarya. An acarya who comes for the service of the Lord cannot be expected to conform to a stereotype, for he must find the ways and means by which Krishna consciousness may be spread."

Wise words and a taste of what makes his life continue.

 

 

 

On a level more in common to the one we live in there was George Harrison who could do more for spreading the Holy names as a Beatle then living shaved up in the temple.

in observing both contexts here;

 

to begin a path that combines the physical (sciences) with the theological (spiritual), is what combines mind and soul, offering each equally the ability of Godhead;

 

such that you can shave me baby smooth and take half of my life (already gave the other half to learning), for the good of the total...

 

What does this mean...the acarya who has come for the service of the Lord does not have to conform to a stereo-type?

Such is the same idea that Srila suggested; to "seek God", continuously otherwise "natures laws" make the 'demon' out of the complacent

 

each generation must be progressing otherwise like all religions they become a business within the complacent regime of oppressing, rather than progressing.

Are we to follow in his foot-steps (and not be expected to fit a mold)? Or would we be mislead by our own fancy and ego?

 

Following the footsteps in neither literal or often observed.

 

Meaning; to walk in the same steps shares we must step in the same holes as the teacher, then we learned nothing.

 

But to walk along the path and know where the holes are, we can see forward without having to look down; and soon the road will lead us to the promised land; we must continue the knowledge for the children above all selfish needs of complacent assimilations.

have I mentioned my good looks to any here?

 

I mean, really good looking....

 

 

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Srila Prabhupada – “You have asked if it is true that the Spiritual Master remains in the material universe until all of His disciples are transferred to the Spiritual Sky. The answer is yes, this is the rule.

 

Therefore, every student should be very much careful not to commit any offense,

this idea is quite pure in that to cause an atrocity in the name of the guru or even to do and ill regard within the teachings of the guru; that guru lives within that chain.

 

Srila Prabhupada - "What is the price for your ticket for going back to Godhead?

 

One should try to purchase a ticket to go back home, back to Godhead. The price of such a ticket is one's intense desire for it,

 

this is a real important item to observe as it shares that it is not the guru's choice, not the assemblies choice of who is or who does that which is considered Godhead; it is the choice of the individual to have that 'passion' or 'intense desire' to do what is good as that 'good' imposed and done by choice, is the actual ticket...

 

such as in the above section; the teacher can teach; and if he misleads the student they both now live in that life....

 

such is the same if a true (intense) desire of a student is based on absolute honesty (Godhead) then the student will exceed, excel and continue the progression, to live within that choice and the doings of his contributions.

 

note the whole list of guru's, teachers, contributors and them who live now in our minds based on the choice and 'giving' of themselves for us, (their future) ........... they each have contributed knowledge and understanding, building from the previous generations lineage of contributions.

 

in summary; the person must be of choice to 'do' rather than be chosen and to suggest that being chosen is the correct model, is where the teacher fails in representing in compassion or responsibility to the imposition... as in each case, they fall back to an old suggestion even if it contradicts the most current truths

all over the world the changes are setting in; this is true

 

Intelligent design in the sense of a belief or faith as in the 'Tom Cruise' religious observance is far fetched as it has been observed from this 'i' as that faith has been described

 

the idea that intelligence 'designed' existence... is not so far fetched..

 

so the idea of intelligence (described by mankind) each contributing to the layers of knowledge, like bricks in a pyramid, is part of the evolving process of 'awareness' being comprehensible; in which phenomenon are being defined within parameters that allow realities of mind to combine with realities of the experience to combine; establishing real truths (each brick)

 

One question left unaswered in the footage;

 

What is the purpose of life? To continue! Just that simply. See any instinctive animal in existence; what it is doing? From there the rule can be seen pure.

 

Yet in form at the base atomic level the method of defining this truth is by addressing the energy (light) as the life upon mass. That progression can be recognized mathematically simply by observing the 'golden ratio' in all living things. 2 systems combine to increase the potential of the energy between the structures and the ratio shares these increments.

 

To observe the math combined with the physical and conscious understanding, a reality unfolds that is both real and true but also humbling;

 

the collective conscious begets the beginning; but that has happened yet

 

meaning this lattering of knowledge (evolution) has been the progression which eventually allows mind (knowledge) to combine with consciousness which ultimately creates the beginning (existence)

 

may be tough to swallow at first but then feel the Love unfold when you realize we are literally responsible for our very existence.

 

We each are literally the physical personification of you know who upon mass, equally......

 

as since the beginning of time, the light of life upon your body, is the same light since the beginning and if ever that spark was put out, you would not be here. so your whole lineage is alive within you, in the flesh

 

be responsible to them to God and all other life; from this moment on and live forever in what you do

 

have I mentioned my good looks to any here?

 

I mean, really good looking....

Baji...... please allow me to use the term Skippy... as the avatar is simply adorable.......

 

kind of reminds me of me.... an out of shape dark skinned dude, on the job (in study) constantly .... when i see statues of the buddha, i often wonder if anyone ever expects me to cross my legs in the indian style sitting arragement, as it seems my flexibility is nil being nailed to a recliner with a laptop stuck to my legs.... 10-15 hours a day

 

good to see the old writters were aware, 'western style' is what to expect....

 

your writing and compassionate awareness of 'good' and what the evolution of knowledge represents, shares such beauty and innert equality

 

now if a few more of them with Love of other over the 'institution' of faith, can begin to stand up and do what is correct over what is expected of their peers, then maybe one leg of the revealing can begin standing on its own.

 

Question is; even without the math in front of you; are you of the knowledge of 'light' as the foundation to unfold the truth? What this means is no man is responsible for the unifying truth, but existence itself represents what is perfect in truth; we each be simply 'riding the lightning'...... and what a blast it is.....

 

This child above is a symbol of purity; be good is faith doesn't get in the way.

 

maybe some of the lessons on this site that summarize what is pure can be forwarded to the childs teachers

 

who knows the group that can send them what is good less the bad of complacent faith?