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    That is such a hard comment to chew:confused:. Why?




    because that is the truth. Really think about it. Has any single person ever to walk the earth been able to share the absolute equal to all mankind?




    As that is why the diversity exists!




    We can begin to see the false ego always wants to know, and wants to be right.


    All conscious humans 'want to know'.... it would be false to suggest otherwise



    That ego seems to be so strong that it will even paint a false picture before its own limited eyes, to justify its existence. It does not want to die. So what to do?
    now you see what a belief is


    and to remove a belief is as easy as being honest



    As a conditioned being, I cannot see the full picture. Bhaktivinoda said onetime such is the case, but he did say we can intuit it.


    as each can experience bliss, defining it has been the universal quest




    So should one reject the teacher and book that claims to know the truth? Or, do we intuit within our heart, as an individual particle of soul, what these external manifestations are trying to point us toward.
    the teacher must teach the initial principles and compassion. the lessons teach how to self reflect; when the student knows himself, then he is to reproduce. That is the cycle of life.



    Yes, Bishadi we must progress. As the external world of illusion is constantly in change, we need to intuit the essence of its meaning. On a relative level there seems to be an evolution of mind.
    the illusion is when a definition cannot apply. The evolution continues to progress. The ego is of self without focus on the total. Knowing the illusion simply needs a definition gives the student a goal to focus on for the total.




    "Each particle that awakens contributes in service to the whole."


    The higher principle, not the mayic field. That is one sign of true. As you say Bishadi, all those other things are illusion.
    and what succintly is the principle? What single item of choice does each have at every moment?



    . The bonafide spiritual preceptor, will have realized his/her constitutional nature – smallness, service mood, and humility. And will teach the student the same.
    Perhaps the 'humility of not knowing'.... that is what all the real guru's taught.... that none know the absolute!



    thoughts by bija: We are infact fully dependant upon the higher principle.


    and that principle is honesty!


    That is the choice each can make and that is the highest of all 'principles'. Be true!


    so for a guru to suggest you 'need them' is foolish as the true guru, simply shares to be 'absolute of honesty' (follow the core principle) even if it means growing beyond them (see thakura and srila for an example)


    because any real teacher knows the next generation must progress beyond them or they failed to teacher the truth.


    I think the Hare Krishna Gurus claim absolute authority over required submission because their ultimate authority is Krishna
    That is like suggesting the Pope is the authority directly from God. Or an Iman is of Allah.... etc etc etc etc etc etc



    and his writings which only the guru can actually understand
    seems again.... that is why equality does not exist.


    The teachers suggest they are it and maintain the divide between truth and beliefs.


    The greatest teacher, gives of the self for the others to know life.


    When each can know life by the words of the guru, then he be the teacher.


    which Guru shares life pure to all nature? That is the test!





    although it does seem difficult to figure out exactly who is a guru and who is not when dealing with Vaisnava institutions and what level of freedom the student has in determining their choice of guru or wether the guru should be appointed by the institution etc..


    a guru being appointed is the lulu............


    no teacher is pure unless that teacher knows life (bliss) an loves enough to share without the need of things, power or to lead.........


    ever notice the great ones NEVER ask to be the guru?


    and when a guru even suggests they are it, and then cannot combine the knowledge of mankind for the Peace of mankind; then the mark on their fore-head becomes a bulls-eye..... as what they steal of others minds will be their ever lasting........


    so test your guru.......... ask them for life!


    what about a christian who is vegetarian, chants all day the holy name of God and preaches that love of God and to 24h serve God is the highest goal in life?


    that is what i was thinking when seeing the thread title.


    that a bunch of guru's 'requiring' all the chanting, specific menu, submission to them and their beliefs; they could be called Hairy Christiana's :P


    Not much different, the preachers/teachers want submission to their ideals.


    and Hello to you


    i have a few questions regarding the kalki avatar...

    -why is the kalki avatar upset?

    Seems the amount of deceit is beyond correction. Ie… the very folk who claim to carry the torch, no matter the culture, reverted to the pride of ego and self over the compassion to the collective; the damage seems to have gone to far and nothing will change it but turning over the order…


    he goes out to kill all evil doers, but why is this? what makes him care?

    for life!

    for the children; the future

    it seems the ‘life’ of all that exists is the transcendent Vishnu and the avatars realign awareness of the universal life (<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place>Krishna</st1:place> conscious so to speak), in the last chapters it seems instead of simply sharing to a single culture, this time around it is to be shared to the globe over. And if a change of the guard (turn over) is possible (the world over), then it must be from the nuclear capabilities, which then brings all ‘life’ into the picture.

    So in a real sense, ‘life’ itself would make ‘him’ care.


    and are there any personal reason to him being upset stated in the kalki purana?
    perhaps the experience known in life; such that what has been passed on in knowledge and beliefs contradicts the truth and to experience the corruption with palms up and feeling the pain; perhaps puts him in a bad way by knowing the pain others are feeling and the deciet others are being exposed to


    all of the vishnu avatars seemed to be dark/blue skinned, was siddartha gautama (buddha) also dark skinned?
    seems many depictions share a view of what many of the past teachers were thought to look like but with 2 feet on the ground and looking at the idea from a perspective of reality; maybe the avatars had a nice tan. Perhaps the outdoorsy kind of guy.

    As for meeting Parashurama: an eye opener :eek2: .

    Seems that since time divides the 2 to literally meet face to face, the life is what must interact. Perhaps by an experience or inner seeking……perhaps someone walks the globe having the life within..

    but the idea of receiving weapons can only mean 'knowledge' as magic is not an option and I do not believe harming people physically with bombs or the such is anything the kalki would partake in. It seems the primary objective is to destroy ignorance. And all heads of corrupt teachings, oppression and beliefs will perish by the knowledge of truth.

    This is by observing with a perspective of in this day and age of how the stories could apply to reality.

    Hope it helps during your reading pursuits.

    if you find something that stands out, please place it on the thread;

    'enquiring mind, want to know'


  6. this was noticed researching a term



    The One

    The primeval Source of Being is the Oneand the Infinite, as opposed to the many and the finite. It is the source of all life,and therefore absolute causality and the only real existence. However, the important feature of it is that it is beyond all Being, although the source of it. Therefore, it cannot be known through reasoning or understanding, since only what is part of Being can be thus known according to Plato. Being beyond existence, it is the most real reality, source of less real things.


    It is, moreover, the Good, insofar as all finite things have their purpose in it, and ought to flow back to it. But one cannot attach moral attributes to the original Source of Being itself, because these would imply limitation. It has no attributes of any kind; it is being without magnitude, without life, without thought; in strict propriety, indeed, we ought not to speak of it as existing; it is "above existence,above goodness." It is also active force without a substratum; as active force the primeval Source of Being is perpetually producing something else, without alteration, or motion, or diminution of itself. This production is not a physical process, but an emission of force; and, since the product has real existence only in virtue of the original existence working in it…….. Directly or indirectly, everything is brought forth by the "One." In it all things, so far as they have being, are divine, and God, is all in all. Derived existence, however, is not like the original Source of Being itself, but is subject to a law of diminishing completeness. It is indeed an image and reflection of the first Source of Being; but the further the line of successive projections is prolonged the smaller is its share in the true existence.


    The totality of being may thus be conceived as a series of concentric circles, fading away towards the verge of non-existence, the force of the original Being in the outermost circle being a vanishing quantity. Each lower stage of being is united with the "One" by all the higher stages, and receives its share of reality only by transmission through them. All derived existence, however, has a drift towards, a longing for, the higher, and bends towards it so far as its nature will permit.

    What I noticed is, this article defines without labeling.

    seems like pure humble observance!

    Does the definition work? Meaning for most any person (pretty much all religions too)?

    Do the properties remind anyone of energeia (light)?

  7. as both srila and jesus have both left the material, seems what they left still lives


    perhaps to observe the gifts offers the best continuance of their lives


    Note, the contributers still live in our minds and hearts and identify what them of self did after the works, that allows each to find adversities born from the misinterpretations.



    The choice each of the greats made will always live as they removed self for the good of the morrow but them afterwards are whom corrupt the intent of the teachers

  8. Ontological Argument for any to debate


    The argument is a long standing debate and is simple to assess.


    A cause is observed, then who (what) caused it?


    That is the premise of the argument, such that throughout history any action must have causation. Even how the Sun came up and the returned to the down under was inquired upon.


    In many belief systems the debate of ‘who’ became unnecessary as God was created as the causation of all. So from there forth each phenomenon, unanswered, had a causation.



    Yet, to look around and face a man and ask; have you met the guy? Not a one can honestly say; yes! This is where many fail as the beliefs learned begin to unfold a whole paradigm of accepted opinions and the root of each determinations can be traced to the honesty of each person and their opinion; this is how the practice of religions begin to isolate minds from the reality of truth. They build from the premise of someone elses accepted belief which has little to do with reality or truth.


    Where the philosophical opinions take root is how many began to drill down each idea of action and reaction to various forms. IN many cases many ended up with the ‘light’ or the sun as the spark that fuels all life.



    But then the debate returns; who turned on the lights?



    And reality shares each ‘new’ idea of each persons mind is simply of light.




  9. Meditating can often remove the self as the focus of the mind. The body can breath as the soul looms in the vastness of the spiritual. Yet when refreshed often the question of the heart surface.


    Within an arena a maintaining wisdom it seems good that silence is left to the unknown but to remove the self, pride and ego; then the search for nectar open up to each experience.


    If any do find themselves quiet of mind yet inquiring of knowledge;


    Questions; often bring Nectar for the soul.




    The Physical, Moral and Spiritual states of Man?

    Light; is the energy upon mass. (ie…. If a man is dead, the mass is there, the life is not)

    Light is life.

    Life: purposed to continue

    Conscious choice: Good: supports life to continue

    Bad: loss to the common

    To impose a life is simply to impose an action; good will support life, bad is selfish (isolating).


    <FONT face="Times New Roman">What is the State of m<font] Lives (continues existng) in the wake left during choice.

    If planted a tree; the cause of the continuance

    If teach good knowledge; lives in the contribution.

    If contributes for a new generation (copulation); lives in the life created.

    Each may continue beyond the period of choice.




    Born by the combination of life; to continue by creating and causing life.



    Support life to continue by choice: do good.





    Learning from what is revealed from previous lives; combined with an honest self: Equality and honesty: compassionate reasoning.




    Truth is non negotiable; simply absolute. Such that the words recorded and understood will combine but that is where the honesty and compassion of the people must begin to unravel the history for the future to understand.



    it's about love. Love which can make humans become very nearly superhuman in their affectionate dedications and consequential self-sacrifice. It's also about inspiration. To become truly inspired to dig deep in order to mine the silver lining of every dark cloud looming on the horizon of the subjective evolution of my unique individual consciousness. What more can anyone do?

    Or as Plato once said, "Be kind. Know that everyone you meet fights a great battle."







    Living in the calm eye of a hurricane. This story strikes me as wisdom matured in action.



    i agree

  12. neat thread......



    "how can i be sure?" .... that is the question most all of mankind will be asking themselves.


    yet if each can agree on the fundamentals, like compassion and compassion over the self with compassion, then it seems a building can be grounded with both feet on the ground.


    items such as accepting reality could be the first starting point


    ie... every word in use was created by mankind


    as well the ultimate goal of seeking; absolute truth


    but to accept a burqa or chanting a specific phrase are not going to do well within the combined arena


    so perhaps to focus on life;


    what is life? How does it work? What does it do? How does 'good and bad' define equally?


    or maybe there are other ideas of relevance to discuss (such as on a forum; hint hint) to begin a dialogue.


    now imagine if the leaders of each sect could return to the humility of becoming a representing party of the 'portion' of knowledge they are familiar with and allow the collective from each branch combine to enable HIM to unfold his final message from assembled collective (four corners of the earth).... then it seems world Peace can live


    and the children will one day know Heaven on Earth (just a term) sharing the 'krishna conscious' combined compassion of each who are aware....


    if this can be..... i will wash the feet and serve with 100% commitment and nothing of self; in fact remove my name so not even a person can remember;


    i submit


    Well, for sure it does have more than 2.


    of course since knowledge is like a child, it grows with time.


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    The Gita can't be classified as a religion.


    could be; the Gita is a book but the ISKCON folk who publish it, well i have done a little homework; even before this day.


    have you ever read the had written items?


    Perhaps you may wish to read their own 'incorporation' bylaws



    An ACT

    for the Incorporation of the International

    Society for <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place>Krishna</st1:place> Consciousness (ISKCON)





    d) to teach and encourage the Sankirtan

    Movement, the congregational chanting of

    the holy names of God as revealed in the

    teachings of Lord Sri Chaitanya


    or below that is succinct



    g) to establish and maintain temples and

    education and welfare institutions

    dedicated to <st1:place>Krishna</st1:place> for the teaching and

    practice of Vedic theology, deity worship,

    Sanskrit, agriculture, cuisine, craftsman-

    ship and other art forms;

    (h) to publish and distribute spiritual,

    educational and cultural media such as

    books, magazines, periodicals, newsletters

    and audio-visual materials;

    (i) to engage in missionary work




    Then again perhaps i am reading about a different Krishna movement....



    but it seems pretty clear




    official ISKCON member or concerned outsider such as yourself and your multitudinous readership at Sampradaya Sun, virtually all US ISKCON 501©3 are non-membership religious corporations. This means that the only members are the directors, and all others supported by the corporation have NO RIGHTS of any form of control. This is a hidden flaw of US Constitutional structure in relationship to the extreme degree of religious protection


    ie... perhaps you may not wish to spread your opinion around too tough because if everyone believed as you do, they will lose their 501©3.....


    be wary wary quite about that..........



    P/s .... mention to the members, i have some material that can be published.... but me no chant nor kosher.... just a me






    10 years back when I was 15 years of age... when my high school teacher asked us about the different religions and respective Scripture. I was a bit astonished to discover that all religion had only 1 book whilst Hinduism had 2.

    Perhaps Hinduism has a few more than 2


    Among these texts, the Vedas and the Upanishads are the foremost in authority, importance and antiquity. Other major scriptures include the Tantras, the Agama, the Purāas and the epics Mahābhārata and Rāmāyaa. The Bhagavad Gītā, a treatise from the Mahābhārata, spoken by Krishna, is sometimes called a summary of the spiritual teachings of the Vedas.

    the amount of data is quite vast, with many areas of importance except addressing how life exists. i.e…. or even addressing the common cold

    She told firstly, we have the Vedas and after a short reflection she said "... and also the Gita".

    It's only five years later that I understood why.

    The Gita is the reconciliation of all the different school of thoughts.. be it inside the Hinduism panel or outside...

    The Gita is impossible to decrypt if everything has not yet been explored.


    The Bhagavad Gita (Sanskritभगवद्गीता, Bhagavad Gītā, "Song of God") is a Sanskrit text from the chapter Bhishma Parva of the Mahabharata epic, comprising 700 verses

    Krishna, as the speaker of the Bhagavad Gita, is referred to within as Bhagavan<SUP id=cite_ref-1>[2]</SUP> (the divine one).

    it is interesting to note that the entire Mahabharata (of which Bhagavad Gita is a part of), has no references to Buddhism at all. Whereas the Buddhist scripture Niddesa<FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3> written in 4 B.C. in the Pali Canon clearly refers to the worship of Vasudeva (ffice:smarttags" /><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comFONT><A href=Nirvana from earlier Vedic scriptures in Sanskrit


    And this is just a single branch of religion. Remember there are another 5 billion folk walking around the earth, looking up. And then observe many many frames of beliefs still observing nature and living in the garden naturally since the beginning of time; are they ‘less than’ any other of the children?

    Be fair. The idea being shared is to have ‘faith’, the truth will exist rather than suggest it already does.

    i.e……. that inner voice will share when the truth is known. Simply ask yourself a few questions; What is life? What are ‘good and bad’ equal to all? Will I live forever? What is death?

    These are universal questions and these must be founded in truth not belief. These are relevant item that has divided as well have been sought by mankind the world over throughout time. So for your computer to work, the items above must also work under a unifying framework; that is the ever present quest of the inner voice; the unifying understanding; the absolute truth.


    have faith that the universe of all of existence will not fail; trust God


    Trust HIM within to share what it true by maintaining compassion over the self; trust that inner voice when experiencing life and know HIM (God)



    Why guru worship?


    because it (they) are a material objects considered the originator


    but that person is not doing anything for anyone except sharing knowledge


    so the knowledge that combines the mind with the experience is what to appreciate, the guru simply made a good choice to contribute (Godhead)


    Jesus or even Krishna cannot raise anyone from the dead; nor fix a tumor, cancer or diabetes...etc...


    Imagine Jesus/Krishna on the hill and everyone was gathered to 'hear' the message and from the crowd a women walks thru carrying her sick child, her only child; all the teacher can do is tell them the truth; "he needs his appendix taken out" (if that be the ailement) because the idea of magically fixing the ailment is false.


    i.e..... so much over the world has created an image of magic and the magical capabilities of what many consider the messiah but the guru, the teacher, the kalki, Krishna or Jesus; what they and any of the contributers gave is/was simply knowledge.


    Thank the guru and appreciate the contributions but it is the collective of all that have given for even the first words to be understood.


    it is not ONE that deserves mention as supreme; as all that is, is Him!


    So worship the truth that came from HIM; from all time, from all things, from the four colors of mankind; worship the experience of existence itself.


    Know God as all that is and be responsible in every step; that is worshiping God; being aware. Which comes purely from knowledge.


    However, in accordance with what we are taught by God, we believe that the original Vedas were not man’s fabrication.



    Where does God teach from that are not of words created by mankind?


    The only answers that make sense is by experience and nature; God's classroom(s).


    Each can ascertain that "we believe" are the headings from the opinions of man/women. (to be honest with thyself that is)


    The danger in relying on intelligence at present is our desires of the mind rule our intelligence and thus the intelligence is programed to take us in diverse directions.


    Exactly! Many are taught what to believe that is contrary to reality; and keep fighting just the same. Often the student can comprehend the devotion but not the intent.



    There is that verse from the Gita " The intelligence of the irresolute is many branched..." I'll look it up but you get the point.


    So without solutions pure and equal; then secularizations branch out.


    Such that none share to have the absolute (solutions) to all questions of the inner voices inquiry



    This is why to reach God we must bring our intelligence in line with His and that is why we need to accept the conclusions of His devotee.
    Then why is not everyone of hinduism strickly adherant to the upanishad or vedic literature as often a few observe the gita with all the 'new' translations....


    and then to realize that each generation had contributers, shares that since no sect of beliefs can succinctly offer the absolute, then of course naturally another contribution much arise



    Only in this way can our intelligence become dominant over passing mental desires and become one pointed and resolute in determination.


    It's a process.

    As the evolution of all things is a process, such is the 'absolute truth'



    This leads to direct person to person communication with the Supersoul.
    Could mean directly, that the words by mankind can offer a guideline but the 'direct' link is within and to trust that 'inner' voice with pure honesty and compassion over all things learned.


    we each can see if the guidance allows the eyes to open


    Whenever you are dealing with a situation, as Bhaktjan said, your own Intelligence speaks first. If your Intelligence is in tune with the conscience, you do not hear a second voice or in other words you do not give a second thought.


    'The Silence of the Lambs'



    How to correct that situation?


    for the knowledge learned to be pure to existence; to learn the absolute truth


    that which is pure to existence (God) and experience


    This comes from combining the knowledge learned by 'mankind' taught to us from the contributers throughout time. (them of true Godhead)


    And even as a few man not carry the banner of a specific religion/belief, the truth exists in many forms.


    Be fair to existence (God) and allow that 'inner' voice to learn.

  19. WOW! again!


    ie...2 of the toughest cookies on this site and from both, on one thread, fair opinions




    The inner voice, the voice of God = Paramatma [ God's omni-present, thus, localised-non-judgemental-presence, within the nucleus of our own very soul, keeping our soul company as a silent-well-wishing-partner].


    Any other voice is would be one of two:


    1--Your own good-common-sense-well-ordered & diciplined//and or//lust-driven "MIND" ---thinking aloud

    in your head composing your own 'wish-list'.




    2--"INTELLIGENCE"---that cognisant component of the Mortal Soul's body

    [earth-water-fire-air-either-mind-intelligence-false ego(ahankara),

    these are the 8 seperate aggregate elements that comprise the body].


    can these be observed under less than 8 divisions?


    Ie.... Compassion (observance of other) over self


    and then 'good' and bad......



    To depend on inner voices as authentic --is to neglect ones dharma (duty) and thus to rely on chance and to blame 'personal-neglect' on others--by dint to self-deception.

    The inner (consciousness/life/vishnu) offers the capacity of choice, no matter the learned knowledge of mind. It is to be honest to that inner 'voice' as many observe that is the toughest portion when blinders of mind damage the view.



    Self-control of the mind is the definition of the word "Svami" (master of the Self)--and prayer can be directed inward to the diety present as Param-atma.

    yet prayer can exist as a state of mind; ever present


    offering the ability to 'know thyself' at all times; self reflecting rather than simply self-control.



    Unless one is accustomed to devotional practice, what will he remember at the time of death, when the body is dislocated, and how can he pray to the almighty Lord to remember his sacrifices?


    such shares the devotion as a state of mind rather than a ritual to get there



    Sacrifice means denying the interest of the senses.
    the self


    not neccessarily the senses; as HE experiences life by our senses;


    learn to Love them; smile from the wind of a butterfly; appreciate life with all your senses. i.e... remember copulation is 2 contributing to make another one (life); ever notice the pleasure of LOVE. Be thankful, not overly indulgent.


    Appreciate the ability of experience.



    One has to learn this art by employing the senses in the service of the Lord during one’s lifetime.

    Makes perfect sense in the above case


    We are born of knowing the pleasure of 'creating life'.


    it is almost like helping the elderly carry in the groceries; we give of ourselves for the good. That is almost like sex to the compassionate.



    One can utilize the results of such practice at the time of death.


    in the context shared; giving of self for the good of life, then it hits perfectly.


    As upon physical death, each live in the lives 'created' by choice.

  20. simple stuff




    Such that when it is reproducible then it is teachable.


    Meaning; unless the action can be repeated and observed equally by each person, then the occurance needs a wee bit of work.


    Yet, the action can be observed under reproducible conditions and each can observe the levitation of mass above a surface with NO physical interferances


    for additional material on how yogi did it, see the clip by boo boo









    Seems the Catholic's have much of the material evidence of how Levitation is performed.


    Is it possible that is how Jesus walked on water? And raised the dead?


    Heck if that sect can do that, what can your guru offer?


    Can we float to the moon?


    If yogi can perform that while only wearing a robe, we could all sell that one and then simply say; if you all stop eating meat than everyone can learn how to vacation on the moon. Simply put a price on it eh?


    (and then perhaps we can work on the little item like global peace and equality when we have the extra time)



    Who wants to work on the traffic issue, so we can limit the flying fatalities?


    and will we need head lights for night flight?


    This will be so confusing but at least the fuel crisis will become moot.


    i think my license plate will be Genie....


    The problem with that approach is you are likely to pick the wrong one if there are many and if there is only one voice that is no guaruntee it is God's voice.


    an honest opinion!



    As conditioned souls we always try to worm around the fact that we are totally dependent on God's grace for everything and especially upon sensing Him in anyway


    the self can be a baaaaad thing


    opening the eyes to truth in each observance is born of humility and honesty.


    Humility of not knowing and then honest when aware.


    It is said that you should listen to your consicence - also called as the inner voice, the voice of God.




    When the body dies, the mass is still all there but the light of life is no longer with the body.


    This means the light of life is the spirit or soul of the body. The mind and memories are the recorded experiences the body has passed through in time as the life is continually observing, experiencing and utilizing the recordings of what was remembered on the road behind.


    The inner voice is the light of Him (existence), the memories are what the body (you) have recorded. HIS life is pure with what is true, the memories can only be defined by the knowledge found alone the road.


    Follow the light.



    But often there are so many voices inside our head. One says - do this. Another says - do that. More than one of these seem to be correct.


    So, how do you know which of these voices is the voice of conscience?


    the rules of life are pure to all existence, the rules in memories can be quite diverse


    the rules of light are pure;


    light is the life upon mass (the body)


    Life is purposed to continue.


    Choices to be determined:


    Good: supports life to continue (doing for the good of life - others)


    Bad: loss to the common (isolation from 'others' - selfishness)


    In each idea of choice, measure the rules and make the correct choice every time!


    Measure all knowledge from the road accordingly; follow the light (God)



  23. the experience of choice; is to be appreciated




    based on Ezekiel 18:4.[24] Hell (hades or sheol) is not a place of fiery torment, but rather the common grave of humankind, a place of unconsciousness.


    so let's visit Ezekiel's representation





    Ez 18: 4


    Lo, all the souls are Mine, As the soul of the father, So also the soul of the son -- they are Mine, The soul that is sinning -- it doth die.





    basically sharing what was mentioned earlier; the bad (loss to the common) perish (no longer remembered).. the Good (supports life to continue) live in what they do (karma)


    all are part of the total; existence



    or even the 24

    (just in case of misunderstandings)



    Ez 18: 24And in the turning back of the righteous from his righteousness, And he hath done perversity, According to all the abominations That the wicked hath done, he doth -- thus he liveth, All his righteousnesses that he hath done are not remembered, For his trespass that he hath trespassed, And for his sin that he hath sinned, For them he doth die




    such that who would be the madman



    Only a madman would throw away a box with a valuable jewel inside.


    The one who sees the outside of the box or the one who understands what is within.


    ie..... the arrogance of a man (box) or the the lessons of 'good' within. ;)



    So 2 points can be conveyed; One your integrity is suspect; as shared by the method, reference and intent of the posts you represent as true


    second; the truth of understanding has been here for quite some time and you have had no idea; you see the box, not the lessons. (the packaging less the heart)




    Guess your gray cells say yes, it's all one. But you're wrong, not only wrong terribly stupid.



    Be judged and live in your karma.


    Existence, (God) and little old me, are not much on forgiveness. None can undo what you choose to create of selfish deception. These posts share your heart, your intent and your choice of adversity for being true (selfishness)


    You are what you represent; live in it and be forgotten.

  24. much of the day is in giggling


    in fact.. no joking; making folk laugh to the point of peeing is one of my favorite. Perhaps one a month for the last few years and one individual makes a point to do their business before coming into presence because no one knows what will come from me


    a gift of love as they make a mess


    as for the idea of the catholic (vatican) interpretation, somewhere you have your stories mixed up. ie... what is purgatory? Heaven and Hell?


    eternal damnation...?


    To the boys of rome, the soul is what you are saving. There may be an interpretation suggesting if a 'bad' person doesn't do good while alive, they will be forgotten (dead soul) but that is not different than many, many, many, misinterpretations one can 'find' from any religious group.


    if the adverse is what to focus on, then heck anyone could have a field day within any sect


    so the whole premise from me was that it was not fair to the 'other' team... to create a new line of deception


    as for the cow and blue guy, it was an example; everyone know cows are simply critters no different than the germs on your skin; killing is killing, no matter how small of how big; just depends on the tollerance and local acceptance. Ever here me suggest if someone was so pure never to kill, they would have a fine fresh scent about them?


    each (life) has a purpose in the good of life; for one form or another


    Heck even the dung is used for heating in some villages yet in other parts of the world it is rude to even handle the droppings, as human beings


    Such that cultures have created many forms of thoughts and beliefs, my presense is for knowledge and growth


    difference is, bias of anything but the absolute is bound to the sould so if you haven't been asked for assistance in knowledge perhaps your integrity is in question


    so in the whole of the post; giggling is normal,


    as well compassion of variety and equality


    and of the other extreme; a hammer of absolute truth


    call it a dance of sorts but always focused on the good (to support life)


    even if it makes a mess on the floor :P

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