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<font face=" /><st1:City><st1:place>Darwin</st1:place></st1:City>’s representation of evolution or the existing pattern he described is tricky to understand is that the math of current sciences maintain a ‘law’ of equilibrium or entropy.
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<FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3><FONT size=3>This means mass will always ‘cool’ or lose its energy to its surroundings so to speak. (chaos)
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<FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>And in most tests with inanimate matter, this is pretty much, experimentally supported as well <st1:City><st1:place>Newton</st1:place></st1:City> provided the math to substantiate what is observed. So in a sense, this ‘law’ is set in stone. (current paradigm)
<FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>But evolution and the pattern naturally observed shares that life, can entangle with its environment and evolve or adjust to the surrounding associations. Such that in a literal sense for mass to migrate, like herds of buffalo; the animal is adjusting for the associated environment, is as pure as an egg of a “single cell” follows a time established genetic development into a human being. i.e…. to observe a human fetus developing in the early weeks; see how many tail bones there are (count them) and then when born or fully developed; how many tail bones do we have. So just to watch a birth through the development of a new born; watch evolution in a hurry.
<FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>Still; the differences is the math of current scientific explanations; has no mechanics to show the increase of potential between 2 inanimate forms of mass.
<FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">Like wise, the progression is based on the interrelation of all mass to each other based on the entanglement property of energy between all mass/existence.
<FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>So to confirm evolution and how the progression actually exists is as simple as observing how energy (light) entangles mass in time. Or to share in a easy way for each to recognize;
<FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>Tap the surface of a flat pond, see the wave (life) move through the pond, in time (anywhere in the pond the wave can be neasured) . Now tap the surface 2 times; when 2 waves interact, the combined increases their total potential and the life of the individual and total wave lasts longer in life with greater affect and action upon the whole pond.
<FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">So another tricky part of <st1:City><st1:place>Darwin</st1:place></st1:City>’s description of evolution is that there is no real mechanism (math) defining this process in the current sciences that can be accurate to all levels of science.
<FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>The reason is in how energy is defined.
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This is the last time I will glance in your direction.It will not be me that you meet at the crossroads.
each experience a choice
probably the same thing the Pope would say; equality is evident by example
remember; first to last, last to first; karma so to speak
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and you have in quite a few areasOh yes, I am good enough to be your teacherare you awaiting an atta boy or are you humble enough to comprehend; it ain't you but existence that is teaching...
Judging has been represented; that is easy to observe.When you trust my judgement then you will be taught correctly [not the other way around].Trust in you as a self; Nope! Too prideful with self and all them per se accomplishments within your diocese.
Hey I was a banker with almost a billion in production in my 'business' days; so what. Did that do anything for 'existence' except make me feel good and learn exactly how money turns on this earth?
When I say put your foot here and step forward --I am to be trusted. Have faith, not pompous wind.may this 'i' suggest the same?
You talk too much about you!
What about combining material so the next baby to land on this earth can read specifically what makes him alive and how to comprehend equality in knowing God!
then if you are a brother of Peace, then maybe the next can be invited until the circle is complete and the final literature UNDERSTANDING can be completed.
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only see what is experienced at each interlude;This from the care taker of rodent eater's standard bearer.What have you done in your life that approximates what my Hare Krishna Contemporaies & I have done for the world? {another direct question}.
from this perspective a picture of a boy with a rabit on his lap with a fowl mouth and little compassion or intent to continue life but to continue in faith
When you represent all of Hare Krishna then you can be addressed as contributing anything good?Just in case:What have you done in your life that approximates what my Hare Krishna Contemporaies & I have done for the world? {another direct question}.
My life is simple; always seeking knowledge to combine with previous, to assist tomorrow in comprehension.
Don't need any trophies; alive and happy as any could ever wish to be.
See the difference is 'truth reveals life' and heaven is knowing we are already there.
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Then why have they stopped? Can you shared where the mathematical construct is to how phospholipid bilayers (cell walls) form? Simply the basis to how just about every cell in our body maintains a physical integrity?And do you know how any Buddhist monks and Hindu scholars worked hand-by-hand for the past hundreds of years to perfect many of the Science which ffice:smarttags" /><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:PlaceName>Europe</ST1:PlaceName> <ST1:PlaceType>Church</ST1:PlaceType></st1:place>'s close-minded approach to Science to judge all beliefs in such way.
Does fictional also include a blue man with 16 thousand gopis? The point was not to discredit but share how a man by choice can do good and live, even when other discredit; the good lives.This man without having to read one line of his personal writings, was a saint to mankind.ONLY when you compare Notradamus with a fictional character like Jesus. <?xml:namespace prefix = v ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" /><v:shapetype id=_x0000_t75 stroked="f" filled="f" path="m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" o:preferrelative="t" o:spt="75" coordsize="21600,21600"><v:stroke joinstyle="miter"></v:stroke><v:formulas><v:f eqn="if lineDrawn pixelLineWidth 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @0 1 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum 0 0 @1"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @2 1 2"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelWidth"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelHeight"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @0 0 1"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @6 1 2"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelWidth"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @8 21600 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelHeight"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @10 21600 0"></v:f></v:formulas><v:path o:connecttype="rect" gradientshapeok="t" o:extrusionok="f"></v:path><o:lock aspectratio="t" v:ext="edit"></o:lock></v:shapetype><v:shape id=_x0000_i1025 style="WIDTH: 12pt; HEIGHT: 12pt" alt="" type="#_x0000_t75"><v:imagedata o:href="http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/images/smilies/wink.gif" src="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\TODDBI~1\LOCALS~1\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip_image001.gif"></v:imagedata></v:shape>
in some senses; i.e.. look what Einstein did by releasing E=mc2.knowledge is highly important to many religious sects but you mentioned that science was used to discredit religion, yet science is a base precept of mankinds Love for existence (God).Knowledge without wisdom is useless.
Even Einstein said he wanted to know the mind of God. It is the religious nuts who think science is opposing God; when the truth is the science minded are a wee bit more honest than the religious; they evolve and the religious leadership will only evolve when the following begin to realize the oppression and lose practitioners. Look at history; note how the religions continue to evolve as well the sciences do. But now the divide is so vast; the science ‘business’ is governed by capitalism and the religious are too busy protecting their job and stopped seeking God. (tail end of kali yuga)What Europeans have then and now are just Knowledge without any Wisdom. Which is why, then and now, they are busy trying to disprove God.Not concerned about ‘your property’ of knowledge. It taint yours; existence owns everything but you did share your idea of loss.....
are you creating an us against them? Why?You be point fingers in defense rather than offering intelligent opinions that can be built upon; who using the ego go go right now?Egostic and self-centred people like Christians and Muslims cannot be helped. They are leaves, carried by their own karmic current. Anyone tries to help them, will be in risk of been carried off by the same current.
The Indians of the earth closest to God are living on reservations in the <st1:country-region><st1:place>USA as well in many unicorporated lands.</st1:place></st1:country-region>
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Does that bother you to realize this truth? They own nothing and have nothing for any to take and most are the kindest folk any could come across; bliss.
Nice closing comment!To know and understand Science, you must have intelligence and a certain level of wisdom. It is intelligence and wisdom which will enable you to understand things; and this understanding and wisdom is summarized into a form which others could understand, it is called Science.
And when a scientist understands the single form that combines all branches of the sciences; then the ‘absolute truth’ is realized.
Only one person I know that has combined each of the core branches; chemistry, biology, ecology, physics and even the correction to thermodynamic and cosmology; all within the universal Understanding within the parameters of science (pursuit of absolute truth)
Or how about the western view many do not know
Timothy 6:20-21O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding vain and profane babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee
Meaning the sciences are not the foolishness; it is the babbling of false accusations by the teachers of faith.
How about a reread of your teacher
"Those who are demons, those who are sinful, nature's law is to place him in such condition that he will become more and more a demon so that he will never be able to understand what is God. This is nature's law. If you want to forget God, then God will put you in such a condition that you can never understand what is God. That is demonic life. That time is also coming. At the present moment, still a few men are interested, what is God. Arto artharti jijnasu jnani. But time is coming ahead when there will be no sense to understand God. That is the last stage of Kali-yuga, and at that time Kalki avatara, Kalki avatara will come. At that time there is no preaching of God consciousness, simply killing, simply killing. Kalki avatara with His sword will simply massacre. Then again Satya-yuga will come. Again golden age will come."Srila Prabhupada Lecture, <st1:date Month="8" Day="6" Year="1973">08-06-73</st1:date>, <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City>
Rather good to repeat quality material.
Seems he wants to know ‘what is God’ and any who stop pursuing become more and more demonic (nature says so); which makes absolute sense such that to fib to retain a faith in the face of truth is simply self destruction and if them faith holders continue to teach in err….. oooops! Need any one suggest the term in vedic sutra?
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yeah, yeah, yeah.But, beshad, you are an athiest. You have nicely spelt it out. A monist talking impersonalist.
Ask and we all would gladly enlighten you to our 100,000 million lifetimes of culminative knowledge.
perhaps a teacher of compassionate understanding of the vedics
the switch will be a brother with the 'good' foundations
the pursuit and absolute commitment to existence
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have you held it?
Have you carried it to a lab and run a refraction test?
Please let's go there, stop the circle, walk into the middle of the crowd and say 'hey dudes, we need to borrow that, we have a bet'
Perhaps mary poppins would laugh at that but then again how about a little more observance to history and thinking
since a young kid, carbon thru to fullerene and diamond and the chemical construct has been a hobby of sorts. First observance was a national geographic article in the mid 70's.
Have you ever wondered why it (carbon in diamond form) shares the refraction (of light) scale it does?
As well the 'hope' diamond under ultraviolet reveals a red eye within, that glows.
carbon is what life is primarily in utilization of; note the shape of the crystal structure and the relation to phi or what is called the golden ratio (1.618....) and pi (3.14) or (it seems 11/7 * 2 makes a cleaner approach for each pole from 0)
this stone may be many things but another similarity is with the hopi (north American Indians), in the mountains behind <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com
<st1:City><st1:place>taos</st1:place></st1:City>, also have a stone, as it seems the 'blue lake' (aka lake of reflections) is a kimberlite pipe (see debeers in <st1:place>africa</st1:place>) as far as I can tell. That land is off limits to anyone but some 'great white brother' or you all may consider him kalki, maitreya or simply a good brahmana (teacher)...
the land is maintained pure; hence the rendition 'caretakers of the land'
there are a bunch of renditions regarding a 'stone of sight'....
in a mathematical form is it possible? absolutely! Look up entanglement.
Think of dejavu or prophecies; they are real and sentience offers that window that many experience but no one has known how to define what it is or how it is possible, in a true form.
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Yes..Dear One,As far as I know the concept of God is very simple and at the same time very complex.
The difference(s) we both represent may be the terms we choose to utilize when defining; yet the experiences are known by most all during the course of life. i.e…. experiencing the fatal loss of another often returns a observing party to experience, even unknowingly (may be shrugged off but still felt)But the meaning changes according to the level of your perception, until you reach the ultimate level of perception. It is actually one's experince. We can tell some body about our experience, but unless he himself experience it , he wont able to understand it fully, however beautifully you explain. It is direct experience that is 'Aparokshanubhuthi" .
Which is a realization of experiencing existence yet no outside (God) is turning the wheels as we are a part of the mechanism itself.In Ramayana there is a small section where Lord Rama ask hanuman about what does he think about him( Rama). To this Hanuman replies,' Lord, from the consciousness of the body, I feel like you are my prabhu( master) and I a being your dasan( Servant). From the consciousness of the Jeeva, I think I am the jeevathma and you are the paramathma( Iam the part of you).
The words the teacher is conveying are in terms and usage that can be understood with thought but not mind and consciousness combined. Meaning we can see the flame but to comprehend how it burns bring enlightenment to the front of the physical experience; we can comprehend the event as if simply a part of you; become one or almost knowing of the action before it occurs.
Terms are different but the meanings perhaps have foundation;When in the consciousness of the self I feel that I am you ( there is no difference between us). This is the essence of hindu philosophy. One starts with a low level of consciousness, through several cycles of births and rebirths , in the varying levels of spiritual evolution, from Dwaitha through Vishishtadwaitha to the final state of Adwaitha.
When removing the self ‘we become one’When in the consciousness of the self I feel that I am you ( there is no difference between us).
since our fathers were alive since the beginning within the total, of existence, then we are one in reality as only each of them ‘selves’ can isolate the belief or thinking of being separate.This is the essence of hindu philosophy. One starts with a low level of consciousness, through several cycles of births and rebirthsIn the beginning our father, new One word, as the next was born, 2……. This evolution within existence is the same as existence defining itself. but these below
are anothers definitionin the varying levels of spiritual evolution, from Dwaitha through Vishishtadwaitha to the final state of Adwaithadepending on the spiritual evolution of us in the present life, we believe in different religion, different dieties and finally end up in adwaita at the end. Unless we reach a particular level we wont be able to understand the concept of God proposed by some. That is why there are conflicts between religions and people. So if you properly understand and propagate the principles of sanathana dharma, we cxan hope for total amity in the world. Jai Guru .such as it was written the ‘four voices’ or the combining of the ‘four colors of mankind’
red, yellow, black and white….. the four shades of truth combine into the light of the world; the final evolution for the beginning of Peace, will be written by observing each with compassion; the governing rules are non negotiable; the definitions are where the brothers, into One, finishes the words to perfect the ‘collective conscious’ to Understand!
Only one way it all works and a whole bunch of ‘selfs’ that suggest they know it.
But there is only one universal language that combines all, with absolute truth; mathematically representing God combining the ‘trinity’ of existence; mass, energy, time!
Or to some Hare Krshna, Jesus, The Christ, Jehovah, the list is enormous as each suggest they have the ‘name.’
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Evolution is a normal pattern. Such that I would place a bet with anyone, you are a little more educated today, since before ever bumping into the truth.If you practice as you preach --you will be acursed by your own flickering mind.
What flaw? Born into a far too good looking kind of guy? a ‘surfer beach bum’ …. The kind all the mother’s warned their little girls about.Each life time may be for reconciling only (1) one tiny character flaw.
Why? Are you talking about ‘existence’ or individual people taking too much time?This flaw may or may not be rectified.So much extra time to perfect one's own consciousness yet this usually is left un-done also.
then growth ‘has’ occurred as the further away from the complacent, the less chance of ever returning; progress is alive.So much baggage that fills one's quarters yet at the end of the day you are more ignorant than when you showed up last.
Often this comes to thought when the self of me thinks about things, but to understand the idea of ‘removing the self’ then a calm (awakening) takes the lead; so why ponder on what could be so much as ‘do’ each moment, so ‘I do’ most every moment awake…..--you are losing time when you could be making hey.is it possible you miss me? Or is it possible you want more?
Maybe if you used the gifts you possess, and making fruit; then ask quality questions and live; not only in Peace but in the knowledge ‘others’ might learn from your choice and intent to pursue ‘good’…. Nothing is stopping you but you!
as emotions can be stirred; Love is imminentBe shady ta runes of your prose are dilapidated slums of your mind.May Krishna bless you with benedictions.
fraudsters best contrarian,
Bhaktajan
Seems maybe your experiencing a little pain. Maybe read what Vinata said to look for.
arrogant fool who will not fibGaruda questioned further:Please tell me, mother, that I may understand clearly, by what auspicious signs do I recognize a brahmana?
Vinata said:
If you swallow someone and he tears at your throat like a barbed hook and burns like a red--hot charcoal, then, my son, you should understand him to be an ….
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Does Anybody know whatz excatly is there inside Mecca Kaba as far as my knowledge goes a muslim friend of mine had told that there is a Vishnu Pada as such there is two pada in the world one in Gaya and another in Mecca which was a part of India some 5000 years back.Any Comments plz do enlighten ME
Hare Krsna
perhaps a diamond,
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yes'em...... that be true...The vedic system seemed to me to be evolving in nature. That is its real potency.
The business of faith. And to lose that hold frightensIf a spiritual movment stifles progression, stifles thought, etc...because of its reliance on history...it may in due course stifle itself.
Something told me that Srila Prabhupada knew he was not the last word, as the thread opener shares.If the Hare Krsna movement is prophesied to be the world-wide universal religion foretold, it best move with the times and grow.
This can be mirrored with the sciences; the current model is incorrect in the believed paradigm (such that religions maintain magic/omnipotence).A duty is definately left for the teachers of Srila Prabhupada's works. Some will choose to make his teachings fundamentals, and some others will choose to make his teachings foundations. Foundations can be built upon and made into great buidlings. Fundamentalists and their fundamentals often dont have that same dynamic or outcome.The change begins with returning to the core foundations an kind of 'start over.' Hence; redefining energy as light.... just as the religious teaching suggested.
But I still care for the students and new generations even with all the abuse; can't hurt me as me is simply a pawn that may even be sacraficed for the benefit of the game (existence).Progressive teachers may be criticised by a more fundamentalist hierarchy.What is God? All of it! We live within, of and are of the total.
Kind of neat to understand, never are we alone, but One with all of eternity.
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Then what is God? To you?It is not up to anyone or anyone's duty to teach others what God is and is not. I personally believe that no one could teach another person about God.It is each person's duty to learn on his own what God is, what is his purpose to exist and what he should do with life. Anyone who says that his religion have taught him on what he should do with his life, is a person who have yet to find a reason to live nor a reason to believe.
God is different to everyone, because everyone is different by nature.
Share 'your' version following your comments above.
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Then when the time comes, and you are of that choice, whether to take on a child (whether yours or of anothers who needs guidance) then you know what choice to make;I have not been graced with my own children, a little to old to think about making family now;). But ofcourse I can see the gift. That gift is real spirituality.and share what wisdom you have learned to offer them the chance of continuing the 'good' knowledge, compassion and Love, that may have taken you years to comprehend. Live in them contributions for that life to continue in the good of existence.
And cultivating 'life'.. as your parents had;With a partner, making families, enjoying life. These things if done well must be love or at least wonderful tools for the cultivation of spirituality.
The book of nature; not much fibbing in that.I have one small pet dog, and observe nature keenly. These two have been the greatest teachers of consciounsess, life, and beauty. They have taught me something that is not found in any religious book.Something as simple (and complex) as the gift of caring for children - is the proof of existence of God. I love it when Buddha told his followers to look at the nature of a flower for answers.I am feeling that there is no great divide between the transcendent and matter. It surely must be one. Its time for living well bishadi - being free.
It is a good day.
Peace my friend!
as each that can be seen representing such truth has an affect
that is me........ happy but sad all in one
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What may be ‘too long’ to a predetermined mind, is actually far to short, for a seeking mind.I can't adress all your points , post is already too long and I doub't you're going to read half of it anyway but if you want we can always continue on PM.<?xml:namespace prefix = u1 /><u1:p></u1:p>Perhaps read as if you care. Maybe consider the material true until real compassion is proven non existence.
The difference in basis appears that one side is religious without knowing and maintains belief in the stead of applicable understanding. For example; diversity is appreciated but since any person can read and follow a faith, since it is old and only but a few have access to what herein is being presented, then let’s assume, the words and definitions you share have already been observed and what you are reading is new to the globe, from the source (per se) (existence is the source, I just tap keys) ..
This thread is on ‘why ffice:smarttags" /><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com
Most all faiths, and even the little branches of the big ones i.e… Hindu-KrsnaSo you’ve studied Vedanta?<u1:p></u1:p>
Realized how foolish believing is, when reality shares the ignorance of complacency.What went wrong man?<u1:p></u1:p>
Over 25+ years of devotion to existence; while believers of faith maintain secularizing (reductionist) mentality. (Lose the labeling format)I know that you know that you never gave your best.<u1:p></u1:p>If you had you won’t be here today defending reducionistic world view.<u1:p></u1:p>
Funny how reality allows the spiritual aspects to be understood in the physical comprehension; so this shares in truth, that believers cannot really apply to ‘practice’ but simply to learned forms of belief. Big difference!Too much reading without practice I presume but you should at least be familiar with some essential Sanskrit terms.<u1:p></u1:p>What this is sharing, that religions have lost the meanings of application. Each can expose and share properties of the truth but that’s about it as they usually retain the requisite of phenomenon to define the absolute.
There are stories all over the world about such a commitment seems maybe you might wish to read a bit more.I agree with the last part but are you really the doer?
Maybe take a peak at the real world, in the stead of magical acceptance; there is so much available from all over the world; enjoy what (god) existence has provided and evolve.You seem to confuse me with average Christian literalist believer who simply accepts what is written in scriptures without attempting to find some evidence for existence of spiritual realmDo these experiences answer all our questions about meaning of life, nature of God , nature of reality. No, but they give you much broader frame of reference when dealing with essentials.<u1:p></u1:p>Here we stop. If the meaning of life and understanding God is not the absolute quest, then there is nothing further we have to discuss.
There is no other commitment! Either do, or don’t…….. all that junk in between about faithful observance is for the few who are happy with simply continuing with ‘not knowing.’
That is why the buck stops here.
Someone had to make that commitment with absolute integrity. Had no idea back when the commitment was made what it meant, but if that is what the big guy (existence) has prepared for this little ‘I’ be glad to know Kali yuga (time of ‘self”) is almost over as nothing can change what is coming and you so happen to be interacting with the moron who made that commitment. I am not concerned with what names the various religions wrote about ‘that guy’ or all the magical things that are supposed to come with it; the reality is, knowledge and understanding will be understood by the children, our future and either you are a doer, ready to give up the self for tomorrow, or you will continue talking because it probably makes you feel good (like affirmations).
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Seems the question of pursuing the intent of a collective conscious has a real basis in understanding 'what is God'
"Those who are demons, those who are sinful, nature's law is to place him in such condition that he will become more and more a demon so that he will never be able to understand what is God. This is nature's law. If you want to forget God, then God will put you in such a condition that you can never understand what is God. That is demonic life. That time is also coming. At the present moment, still a few men are interested, what is God. Arto artharti jijnasu jnani. But time is coming ahead when there will be no sense to understand God. That is the last stage of Kali-yuga, ................ Then again Satya-yuga will come. Again golden age will come." Srila Prabhupada Lecture, 08-06-73, London
It seems a duty is left for the teachers of Prabhapada's works.
Do we have any answers that are post August 73', that transcends previous vedic literature as it seems quite clear from above: the answer is still sought.
Idea that works and literally combines a few renditions (pretty much the whole globes religions) but in simple words that can be far easier to convey as well definable in math;
All mass, all energy, all time: the 'total': ONE or simply 'existence'; the beginning and ending: alpha/omega.... within all as of all;.... intimately, a part of all life; entangled.
This occurs mathematically by defining energy as light (em upon mass); then the life upon mass is light; then the progression of evolution can be defined mathematically.
Gravity is entangled energy (light) between mass.
the change is to comprehend existence and how each are of the collective conscious but only need to understand how...
What can be recognized above is that even in all our current sciences and knowlege both religious and accedemic; the pursuit to define life has failed to continue. This exact recognition was noted many years back by a child that made a choice to simply answer them exact questions and not allow any bias to impede or damage pure literal "absolute truth."
smile!
it's a good day!
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I don't know much about the ages I've been hearing about.. I have read that we are in the Kali Yuga age... What exactly does that mean? What is the next age called and what does that mean?from a harekrisna. site
"Those who are demons, those who are sinful, nature's law is to place him in such condition that he will become more and more a demon so that he will never be able to understand what is God. This is nature's law. If you want to forget God, then God will put you in such a condition that you can never understand what is God. That is demonic life. That time is also coming. At the present moment, still a few men are interested, what is God. Arto artharti jijnasu jnani. But time is coming ahead when there will be no sense to understand God. That is the last stage of Kali-yuga, and at that time Kalki avatara, Kalki avatara will come. At that time there is no preaching of God consciousness, simply killing, simply killing. Kalki avatara with His sword will simply massacre. Then again Satya-yuga will come. Again golden age will come." Srila Prabhupada Lecture, 08-06-73, London
kind of reminds me of a living hammer
and probably enjoys the heck out of how the religious folk think they are so pure.
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Tiriselex,Please tell us what's bishadi thinks he is talking about?
that's a rhetorical question.
Just a story
The Vishnu Purana is a primary sacred text of the Vaishnava branch of Hinduism, which today probably has more adherents than any other. It is one of the canonical Puranas, a branch of post-Vedic sacred literature which was first committed to writing during the first millennium of the common era. Like most of the other Puranas, this is a complete narrative from the creation of the current universe to its destruction. The chronology describes periods as long as a hundred trillion (10<SUP>14</SUP>) years! It includes extensive sections on the genealogy of the legendary kings, heroes and demigods of ancient India, including those from the epics, the Mahabharata and Ramayana. There are fascinating descriptions of ancient Hindu cosmology and geography. Of general interest is a collection of stories about the boyhood adventures of Krishna and Rama, whom the Vaishnavas believe to be avatars of Vishnu. There are also references to Buddhism and Jainism, which help establish the date of composition of the work.
This is the first time that this work has appeared on the Internet in any form. H.H. Wilson was one of the first European scholars to produce a scholarly translation of a major Hindu sacred text. His translation employs clear English which modern readers will find very readable. There is very little of the pseudo-King James style, loved by 19th century orientalists (and loathed by modern scholars). The footnotes are extensive and very helpful, with comprehensive notes correlating the Vishnu Purana with other Puranas and Hindu texts. Unfortunately, good editions of this translation have largely been unavailable in print for many years. There are some re-typeset and heavily edited versions printed in India, of dubious quality, which I can't recommend. The copytext for this etext was a very expensive photographic reproduction of the original 1840 edition (2001, Ganesha Publishing, ISBN 1-86210-016-0). This is part of a reprint series which may be obtainable from some larger urban and academic libraries.
Production notes: As per site policy, I have attempted to match the printed edition's transliteration of Sanskrit exactly. This uses Unicode, so if you have trouble viewing some of the letters in this text, please refer to the Unicode help file. Wilson used a very simple transliteration system, just an acute accent for both long vowels and alternate consonants. He does not distinguish between the dental, palatal and anusvara variants of 'n', but this will only bother the sanscritologists. Although he applied this scheme fairly consistently, there are numerous variations in the transliteration of less-common Sanskrit proper nouns (particularly in the Index). I have not attempted to correct any of these variations except for a few obvious errors, which are indicated in the usual way by links to my errata file.
There were numerous passages and words in the footnotes in Devanagari (the Sanskrit alphabet). I have created image files for these in the Preface. There were far too many of these in the body text to reproduce as images. So I have silently edited Devanagari out from the main text, altering punctuation where necessary. In most cases where he supplies a passage in Devanagari, he translates it in the immediate vicinity, so omitting these does not lose any information. In the rare case where such an omission would change the meaning of a sentence, I have inserted the placeholder '###' to indicate where a word or phrase in Devanagari was positioned.
While proofing the Index, many errors in page references were silently corrected so that the page hyperlinks would work correctly. There are doubtless other remaining page number errors in the Index, some from OCR errors (the OCR software I use, OmniPage, has trouble recognizing digits in older typeset text), some, typically, in the copytext, so this part of the etext should be considered provisional. However, the body text has been subjected to three proof passes, so every effort has been made to produce a very accurate etext.
--John Bruno Hare, March 15th, 2006.
<HR>Title Page and Front Matter
Preface
Classification of the Puráńas
10. The Brahma-vaivartta Puráńa
Synopsis of the Vishńu Puráńa
Book I
Sacrifice of Daksha (From the Váyu Puráńa)
Book II
Topographical Lists from the Mahábhárata
Book III
Book IV
Book V
Book VI
In a little book
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Not the religious type; theology teaches compassionate association..If you are not a muslim in actuality--then you are lying, correct?
Will you not betray Allah and the prophets if you stay incognito?
About it!
The rest are for the religious types.
Been reading and doing what this me does best; learning and putting the A's and B's together.
Perhaps some of the summaries so far;
By this time the planet will be filled with people who will be unable to understand logical conversations. They will be too slow-minded and dull-witted, not capable of being taught much, especially in the way of high philosophy regarding the purpose of life. They will not know what they need to do or how to live. And they certainly will be unable to change their ways.
Garuda questioned further:
Please tell me, mother, that I may understand clearly, by what auspicious signs do I recognize a brahmana?
Vinata said:
If you swallow someone and he tears at your throat like a barbed hook and burns like a red--hot charcoal, then, my son, you should understand him to be an exalted brahmana.
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I don't know much about the ages I've been hearing about.. I have read that we are in the Kali Yuga age... What exactly does that mean? What is the next age called and what does that mean?That's a question that may open up a can of ..... you know...
The best idea may be to seek with the material you have access too; the whole world wide web.....
and combine what many other renditions to periods and cycles are about
i.e... see the mayan side of the idea
Or even run a google on the subject and read at least a dozen varieties of what is expected.
Personally, it appears the same as most any religious faith; a paradigm shift is to unfold.
That is without magic, omnipotence or any idea of faith; just an opinion based from observing reality combined with what most all the religions and the variety of interpretations suggest about the 'coming change' or as may be defined.. the end of kali yuga....
The mayan suggest the cycle is to be over based on the calendar they left.
No one to ask; as they are all gone. So in fairness to a neutral reprsentation; i offered something for you to look up. as to combine knowledge offers far more depth to understanding.
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has a ring to itOriginally Posted by Bishadi"Forget the self for a moment and think of others
Devotion comes from being absolute in the pursuit of Good... not faith!"
That's an island.simply print out the phrases and sing them to an audience at a mandir,Maybe look up entanglement under google and find what is happening all over the world.
Such is my selfless devotion in pursuit of being absolutely clear.Don't be disgusted by others, be equi-minded.
faithfully yours,
Bhaktajan
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No but addressing questions with pure knowledge is better than addressing the 'unknowable' with more 'unknowable'.Do we really think that quarreling about religion can purify our tendency toward quarrel and hypocrisy?
The discusting part is when faith and selfish opinions resound over the intent of Love or real compassionate approach to addressing questions and the 'unknowable'....We seem almost unashamed to bicker and dicker about the unknowable. Do we think it is some kind of purification process?Maybe it is? Disgusting though it be.
Meaning for the truth to unfold articulation must begin with dialogue of quality intent, rather than retention of a faith.
Forget the self for a moment and think of others
Devotion comes from being absolute in the pursuit of Good... not faith!
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But reality begins with seeing yourself; not believing what someone else says about you.Awarenes of the body is not the same as identifying with body as sole reality.
But spiritual is not for imposing oppressive nature or to incorporate inequities of knowledge too defeat common sense.From the Vedic perspective physical is emergent property of spiritual and the “manual” for this physical vehicle was written on spiritual plane.
Ah…. Now your talking. So what is self? What are you? Why are you experiencing what you see? What is LIFE? So before trying to share what all this other stuff of faith is, be sure you comprehend these question in pure form, not magical beliefs.Firsr realize this Self and then you'll understand what selfishness really is.
Children are not born with an ego; so that ego is developed; not something to suppress but to understand. The ego is born when a person is taught that they are isolated from existence; that they are not responsible for their actions.There are many more subtle manifestation of this tamasic selfishness then you are aware of now. It goes deep into unconsicouss to the very roots of separate egoic existence.
What previous incarnations? You are now going to magic and beliefs rather than reality to answer what you apparently do not comprehend but your faith shares and you believe. That idea you are sharing is how people begin to think they are not responsible for what they do; "it was my previous incarnation" Oh brother!I don’t remember anybody using child’s state of consciousness as example of tamasic consciousness. In Integral philopsohy it is considered to be state of purified vital energy and it was deffinitely my experience but it also depends on your previous incarnations .
OKey dokey…. And I was baptized and confirmed as a child; and your point is? Perhaps you are now a believer of magic instead of retaining integrity and honesty to real existence.I’ve had many experiences of subtle plane including OBE during childhood and only after I went through communist indoctrination
And how long have these people been on earth? Did one of them ever bring in world peace and offer the base knowledge to combine mankind?There are people who has direct experience and knowledge of spiritual planes and you should learn from them. This is Vedic approach. Inquiring and learning from more experienced sadhaka is proper way.NO, they have not! Why? Because many have awaken from the sleep of beliefs!
Oooops ….. there goes the go go ego….. you making an assumption. How about I mention in the mid 80’s that from Zoraster to tao, to vedic, Upanishads and Buddhism was studied in silence and under candle light for the single purpose of humble observance to the contributors was invoked; simply of integrity prior to making an assumptions on my part as the any differences of compassion between people.You’ve come to spiritual discussion Audarya forum without any knowledge of Vedas and Vedanta.
Objection; nothing is omnipotent; no man can walk on water; no man is perfect; knowledge was incomplete; and religions are for the complacent.Subject on which many scholars spend their whole lives only to sctratch the sufrace and then when somebody suggests that you should first learn some basics you object.Beliefs are for the lazy; understanding is for Peace! Some are doers and some are talkers.
Go go ego……..It doesn’t really matter whether you believe or not at this moment since you don’t even know what is it that you don’t believe in.What is life? Can you share what the mechanism is that allows inanimate matter to begin life? Can you share why an autistic child has a living body but is not conscious?
No faith in magic. Does not exist!First devote some time tu study of Vedanta, learn some Sanskrit terms and then if you choose to reject it you’ll at least have an idea what are you rejecting.
Just like risking your integrity with conveyance of knowledge contradicting God (Vishnu) by wading in ego all the while maintaining beliefs in ritualistic contraptions simply to maintain faith; simply because of self, rather than any consideration for the future; the children.I know , "humbly" doesn't resonate well with atheist but it is absolutely essential. It is the risk you'll have to accept.Please old timer; move over, your abuse of mind and the word humble is starting to make me sick.
Again, the striking of swords…….Now you are just putting everything in the same “religious freaks” box which is typical behaviour of forum atheists nowadays.I have friend who is very interested in science, his knowledge of material sciences surpasses mine by far and not only mine but he is not reductionist. We spent many hours discussing not only Vedic cosmology but also such “esoteric” subjects as astrophysics. Among our favorite subjects are
Bring him onto the forum and let’s see how much he can contribute for tomorrow, rather than this forum having to read the retention of faith as the guide to mankind’s futureffice:smarttags" /><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com
No care for the delusional old timers but for the new minds; they are here as well as everywhere and since nothing is for me, then for any who read.If you don’t wan’t anything of this then you should simply ignore “delusional believers”No matter how much another may wish to discredit the truth; nothing can stop the seeds from growing. Perhaps if absolute integrity to the truth and reality was the first premise of your daily life, then maybe rather than discredit, maybe read a little on you own, in the closet under candle light and then use your faith, to combine what is good; not for you, but for tomorrow.
Try thinking of others over your self for a day and know humility in the true form of compassion.
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In my opinion, Modern Science cannot go hand-in-hand with Spiritualism.Another Opinion? Can you offer something material rather than mention stealing and calling all thinkers outside of religion irresponsible or simply bad people.
Ooops! Perhaps but there is not a scientist I personally observed or read about that was born who wakes up with ‘defile religion’ on their mind. Where as religious leaders may be more inclined to discredit science; hence the inquisitions. Do you realize how many people were killed as heretics, witches and alchemist just because they enjoyed tinkering and medically attending even the meek and old.For one thing, the so-called Modern Science today, derived from the Western people who busy disproving God and their religion (Christianity). For nearly 200 years, Western Scientists have been trying hard to disprove that the World is as according to what the Bible taught them.Perhaps maybe read a little about history. Find that Nostradamus for example probably saved more lives and assisted more people, hand to hand than Jesus himself a 100 times over. During the plague he lost 2 sets of families (wives and children) but would never leave because he knew the 'people' needed him. This man without having to read one line of his personal writings, was a saint to mankind.
To them, Hindus are merely pagans; similar to those people like the Druids Europe and
Much of science existing beyond the inquisitions was maintained by the eastern folk (i agree), not to mention Muslims as well; unlike Christian based religions, knowledge is highly important to many religious sects but you mentioned that science was used to discredit religion, yet science is a base precept of mankinds Love for existence (God).ffice:smarttags" /><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com
Why is everyone stealing from <st1:country-region><st1:place>India</st1:place></st1:country-region>? Or the Gita when the west prefers Kama Sutra style knowledge. Is Intel or Nasa from <st1:country-region><st1:place>India</st1:place></st1:country-region>. Is Cern, MIT or Cal Tech in India? Did Gita build St Jude Hospice for to assist children with cancer?Matter a fact, you could see European Scientists kissing the rear end of Muslims, claiming that they were smarter and more intellectual than European scientists were (200 years ago) than to agree that Muslims have stolen the knowledge from India and that most of their (Europeans') knowledge came from the Hindus.Better still, why even bring up these lines of thinking? What opinion can any offer that shows how suggesting thievery; would offer any good for to address today’s current situations?
You be point fingers in defense rather than offering intelligent opinions that can be built upon; who using the ego go go right now?Till their egos have been pushed aside
Then if this is the case, please give your computer to someone who will use it and go back to making noise to hear yourself being spiritual.and they admit who gave them their basic knowledge (then and now), Science and Spiritualism will never be together as it was long time ago.Such as that must have been the purpose of your post, as originally it seemed an opinion was to be observed but instead a reconcilliation that responsibility and ownership of knowledge belongs to <st1:country-region><st1:place>India</st1:place></st1:country-region>.
Shall we remind you that Hindu is a Persian name for the river <st1:place>Indus.</st1:place> Did you ever read about how many believe Zoroaster was a major influence to the Iran-Indo cultures (the core of Persian)? What about Alexander the Greats Hellenistic influence? As between Zoraster and Alex’s Hellenistic form; these are the only recorded religions that combined the East and West and in both the Eastern and Western sects; remains an influences of these forms.
In other words just as an opinion; maybe read a bit more and then share some opinions we can all build from.
Good 'contributes' for life to continue; not whinning about how knowledge and the sciences are against religions.
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Such can be recognized.Krsna says the same, give up all dharmas/religions, and just surrender unto Me.
But to submit to faith based on and order, even if a lineage is of oppression and isolation.People often relate "religious" with an institution, but you don't need a huge administrative machinery in order to become spiritual. Krsna doesn't mention this when instructing Arjuna.
As well how to define integrity. Spiritual would be how energy entangles mass and then being able to comprehend how exchanges work without the ideas of a master wheel turner. That master is the process (brahman) versus a person of mind.All this depends what you visualize as spiritual.
shall I expect guests .....There're lots of folks who say, seeing a grey coloured cat is good for the day, a black cat entering the house is good, if a cat is seen left side of a person on walk, it is an indication of goods things to happen, evil forces kept apart and prosperity is assured if a cat gives birth to kittens in the house, seeing of three black cats together is good for the day, if a cat scratches only one ear three times, it is an indication of guests coming. Or even call such kind of cat omens as "very spiritual".
Metaphorically understood.But don't mind if you have another rabbit to pull out of your hat, this doesn't necessarily has to be spiritual.
Seems this life is like a book; unrolls as if purposely wound.
Life of Chaitanya
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"Sri Gauranga, Sri Nityananda, Sri Advaita, Sri Gadadhara and Srivasa are all on the same platform, but in spiritually distinguishing between them one should understand that Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is the form of a devotee, Nityananda Prabhu appears in the form of a devotee's spiritual master, Advaita Prabhu is the form of a bhakta (devotee) incarnation, Gadadhara Prabhu is the energy of a bhakta, and Srivasa is a pure devotee. Thus there are spiritual distinctions between them."
Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi lila 7:5
What combines them?