Bishadi

In the purport to Srimad Bhagavatam 3.25.36, Srila Prabhupada states that even third-class neophyte devotees are liberated souls.

How is it possible that such neophyte devotees, who don't possess the qualities of a liberated soul, are in fact liberated?

All initiated devotees of the Hare Krishna movement vow to follow four rules: <CENTER>No gambling</CENTER>

In Krishna consciousness, you're trying to purify your mind--to make it clear and steady for spiritual realization. But gambling makes the mind cloudy. It agitates the mind. You start thinking: What are my chances? How much could I walk off with? What could I do with my winnings? Even if you just play for the sake of playing, gambling pulls the mind away from thinking about the real purpose of life. <CENTER>No intoxicants</CENTER>

No drugs, no liquor, not even coffee, tea, or cigarettes. The world is already high enough--high on illusion, high on greed, high on false power and false ego. The devotee of Krishna wants to be thoughtful, sober.

Material substances like drugs are useless for spiritual realization. They can bend the mind, but they can't free it. They may take you up, but sooner or later they let you down.

The self within is by nature joyful. So we don't need any material stuff to *make* us happy. We just need to purify ourselves and uncover the happiness that's already there. <CENTER>No meat-eating</CENTER>

No meat, no fish, no eggs. Devotees of Krishna avoid needless violence. They see other creatures as spiritual living beings. Though these creatures may be less intelligent than we, they are also God's children, our brothers and sisters. So why should we kill them? If a child were to kill a less intelligent brother, do you think the father would be pleased?

By the subtle laws of karma, the suffering we cause others will come back looking for us.

By nature's arrangement we have plenty of fruits, vegetables, grains, milk products, and other innocent food. We should content ourselves with this and be happy. <CENTER>No illicit sex</CENTER>

Everything has its place, and that includes sex. When sex takes place within marriage, and for the sake of having children, it's fine. You're accepting the pleasure, and you're accepting the responsibility. Otherwise, sex brings about entanglement, exploitation, disappointment, and illusion. For spiritual advancement, you want to simplify your life and bring your mind and senses under your control. Being temperate about sex helps you

Good thought, that's why I suppose Christ did not revealed his Father's name in the West. I suppose He understood what the circumstances and time asked Him to do so.

There are many frames to observe a 'why' but the one that makes the most sense, is the knowledge had not evolved.

Faith brings the hope of a completion; which is not adverse. This is a pretty uniform representation in the prophetic side but in the teachings often the requisite is the submission to 'not' being aware or incapable.

Such that to remain in humility to not being capable to understanding, simply enable a humility to a compassionate interrelation of equally unfit to know.

Almost like a teacher keeping the children down to remain sovereign to the knowledge; to maintain the job of moderating.

Or simply if each person was aware of what to do and what life is purely; then who needs a guru?

There is this Al guy that I wish to quote;

"About God, I cannot accept any concept based on the authority of the Church. As long as I can remember, I have resented mass indocrination. I do not believe in the fear of life, in the fear of death, in blind faith. I cannot prove to you that there is no personal God, but if I were to speak of him, I would be a liar. I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil. My God created laws that take care of that. His universe is not ruled by wishful thinking, but by immutable laws."

So the business of religion as all mankind (womenkind too) is to identify the rules that are equal to humanity rather than convince a faith as absolute just because it makes one 'feel good' for the self.

If our fathers did nothing to benefit their tomorrow, we would not even have the terms or words to convey in the first place.

i.e..... the words Hare Krshna would not even be in use (especially in the west), if a man did not make a decision to 'do' rather than talk and defend.

'religion' is not ONE sect or belief.

 

A servant of god is a sevant of god.

 

 

If the DIVINE were a tree, then the religions would be like people standing around the tree trying to describe it. They all look at the same tree yet have a different vantage point from which to describe the tree. And the description of the tree (however eloquent) is not the tree.

AMEN

or

HARE HARE RAMA RAMA

or simply 'way to hammer it out liselina.'

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Well thanks to you now I have a 'idea' what the term is when you use it.

As in many diversities of knowledge; many may experience the same thing yet have a word or description that is a little different.

That is one of the issues within joining groups of discussion; some are quite defensive of their own interpretation rather than allowing equality to develop.

Your compassion to observe and be honest about your source is refreshing in this valley.

I am closer to Alfred E. Neumen than anything. Funny thing, I have identified with Alfred since I was a little boy. I may be morphing into a real life Alfred. But I am not worried...chanting the Holy name is wide open to the Alfred's of the world even though none of us are formally initiated.

 

Hare Krishna!

Is being alive formal initiation into existence?

Congradulation!

The One Power that illumines everything and every one is indivisible. It is the Ear behind the ears, Mind behind the mind, Speech behind speech, Vital Life behind life. The ears cannot hear it; it is what makes the ears hear. The eyes cannot see it; it is what makes the eyes see. You cannot speak about it; it is what makes you speak. The mind cannot imagine it; it is what makes the mind think. It is different from what all we know; yet it is not known either. Those who feel they know Him know Him not. Those who know that anything amenable to the senses is not Brahman, they know it best. When it is known as the innermost witness of all cognitions, whether sensation, perception or thought, then it is known. One who knows thus reaches immortality.

Then in story

Once the divines won a victory over the evil forces. The victory must have been credited to the power of the Absolute Brahman. Instead the divines thought it was theirs. Brahman appeared before them in a visible form of a spirit (yaksha) but they did not recognize the Absolute. One by one, Agni the God of fire and Vayu the God of air, came to challenge this new appearance in and tried to show off their powers. The God of Fire could not burn even the straw placed before him. The God of air could not blow even the straw placed before him. Finally Indra the God of all the divines came nearest to that spirit to find out who it is that is presenting these challenges to the divines. And before him stood a highly adorned woman in the name and form of Uma who finally reveals to Indra that the Spirit is the Absolute Brahman

summary

This is the truth of Brahman in relation to nature and Man. Whether it is the flash of lightning, or the wink of the eyes or the thinking of the mind, the power that is shown is the power of Brahman. For this reason should a man meditate upon Brahman all the time. The sudden Reality that strikes Man as the power behind everything, must be transformed into a permanent Realization

Knowledge!

It is part of what we as a species (Brahman) is all about.

Apa Deepo Bhavah - be a self enlightened lamp

does this mean 'continually learn'?

If the Vishnu/Brahman is of all mankind, then the teachers can be of many cultures and understanding. The duty of each is not to isolate a set of literature but to find the theme Vishnu represents in each.

such as 'In the beginning there was 'light' .....

so to honor existence and know that light is the life upon mass, in time. Then the trinity of combining mass, energy, time; reveals itself as the 'total' of existence.

We are 'light' in the midst of things (mass) observing in time (our period of life). As we experience, we can understand life and put to mass (write) the words; we (sentience) do create.

The total is what we exist within (God/Vishnu/Brahman) so in a sense all words are of God, but experienced within the period we observe them; knowledge.

The over all objective in as time progresses knowledge evolves.

Eventually God's children will be able to comprehend existence in total; Equally. Such is the promise of all faiths.

As to know "GOD" and how each choice we make is alive in existence, and then that each choice is our ever lasting life, as energy we impose that continues, beyond our period of choice; then responsibility to existence can be a made of 'continuing life'...... Good!

So the idea is to share a premise of light being the life upon mass.

In which brings an 'understanding' of life within the existence of experiencing, personally.

Is this the mind of truth?

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Past is past. We accept everything as a learning process and move on developing our character.

 

When I was a child I remember this one uncle who was really into polishing agates he would find on the beach. He used this little machine called a rock tumbler. It just kept turning over and over and the pile of agates inside would tumble and roll over each other. After a prolonged period of time the agates would become extremely smooth and shiny.

 

This is one way I view this forum. We are all illusioned condition souls in the rough of development however if we keep Krishna in the center we will eventually have all the rough edges smoothed out and we will also shine.

 

If we hold onto resentments and negative feelings we only delay this process of development.

Thanks for the wisdom on many fronts. ..... compassion, forgiveness and application of an experience to a theological representation combined with good philosophical approach to experiencing the event.

are you a 'mad' man incognito?

I would rather follow someone who has walked his talk. Not just give out cheap sermons about Humanity and truths like some arm chair philosopher. I think everyone on this forum knows who I am referring to when it comes walking his talk......

 

HDG Sirla Prabhupada

 

 

Or that you (and the gang) choose to remain under a specific teachers thoughts and definitions rather then continue the path for tomorrow.

It makes you happy but does nothing for existence.

And then to find the direction is imperfect, establishes that selfishness defined your existence.

Bishadi,

You must think I am farther bereft of knowledge than you. Right?

You must think I just came down from some plantain farm?

This is a world-class forum, not some bunch of cukamangas prattling over which cricket team is better color-coordinated.

maybe chat in english about 'good' rather than resort to defining humility in ritual.

So, in short, we here, can discern butter from cheese without your crytic prose.

 

You must quote authority when citing maxims, so-right? So-right.

and if each experience then who is better at the authority other than the integrity each possess equally?

"to comprehend the existence" reminds me of the Frog in the well analogy.

So how big is the existence my dear frog friend? Well let me show you by puffing up my chest.....Then kaahbloowy!!! > my poor frog friend splattered into the ever expanding vastness of existence.

do you define your experience in word?

What have you done for humanity today?? Can a drowning man save another drowning man?? Not unless he has learned how to swim.

Hare Krsna/Krishna

as it is defined

"As for the word "Hare" (pronounced huh-ray), it's a call to Krishna's divine energy. Just as the sun shines forth to us through its energies like heat and light, the Supreme reveals Himself through His multitude of energies. If the Supreme is the source of everything, then whatever we see--and even what we don't see-- belongs to the energy of the Supreme"

so least a meaning of desire is present of the self; how do you judge?

Thanks to both of you for your exemplary humility.

were was that humility in

Thiest,

 

you jumped to quickly to insult me when I was only being sarcastic about cbrahma in LA, yet you run to defend his complete nonsense.

 

You want to lump all initiated devotees in with the arrogant bastards that destroyed my Gurujis movement, sorry you don't know me pal, at all!

 

 

Was this said in his infancy, or after the conflagrations?

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"Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."

Robert Oppenheimer, Trinity 1945

 

 

Robert Oppenheimer was the director of the laboratory in Los Alamos, New Mexico, and the scientific director of the Manhattan project. Since so many talents were involved it's somewhat misleading to call him "the father of the nuclear bomb", but he undeniably made one of the major individual contributions.

 

In an interview from 1965, Oppenheimer describes the initial reactions as the fruit of their labors, the very first nuclear bomb (the Hiroshima bomb was the second one), detonated early in the morning of July 16, 1945:

"We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed... A few people cried... Most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture the Bhagavad Gita, "Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds." I suppose we all thought that, one way or another."

 

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Einstein made his comment during his life long commitment to contributing knowledge for the benefit of mankind. He knew he should never have publised the math and why this 'I' will not, now!

Yet to identify the damage in the overall scope to the works Einstein published then we must retain equality;

Think in the lines of a teacher; if the knowledge is incorrect; they are like a bomb to the integrity of the truth.

How is it to dishonor humble contributions simply because you don't like a specific opinion of another? Einstein gave humanity hope is comprehending existence; you share to remain ignorant to beliefs that contradict nature.

still between you and I;

What have you done for humanity today?

Maybe allow anger and ignorance to make posts on a forum causing further delay?

I dont know but the kitty cat looks like it has its eyes tightly shut:P

 

 

Hare Krsna/Krishna

 

Jay Sirla Prabhupada

so it seems a simple 'yawn' is tough to comprehend?

"Philosophy without Religion is mental speculation and Religion without Philosophy is fanatacisim"

 

Sirla Prabhupada 1967

 

Hare Krsna/Krishna

 

Jay Sirla Prabhupada

"In their struggle for the ethical good, teachers of religion must have the stature to give up the doctrine of a personal God, that is, give up that source of fear and hope which in the past placed such vast power in the hands of priests. In their labors they will have to avail themselves of those forces which are capable of cultivating the Good, the True, and the Beautiful in humanity itself. This is, to be sure, a more difficult but an incomparably more worthy task…"

'A. Einstein'

Yes, Maha-rishi!

 

But the bad news is you failed the test.

 

Better luck next time.

 

Please pay the piper --I prefer not to touch your lucre.

Perhaps when the term 'O-tay' was used without permission?

 

 

No combining with kitty cat brain!!!

 

 

Does the cute little fury guy carry more integrity?

"virtue was the most valuable of all possessions; the ideal life was spent in search of the Good. Truth lies beneath the shadows of existence, and that it is the job of the philosopher to show the rest how little they really know."

Socrates

 

 

Is that after you eat fish!!!

 

 

Nope, after waking up!

Are they for every person or for what the accepted few prescribe?

Then are spiritual discussion about defending an idea or about the combining of mind (Love)?

"Why are you on a sight of people seeking knowledge if you have no intent of self examination?"

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Oh oh. I think this is what I was thinking --yet you posted it!

 

Otay, I will submit myself --yes, somehow you posted what I was thinking of saying to you! Awesome! So allow me to express my self:

 

Hey Bishadi Artist:

"Why are you on a sight of people seeking knowledge if you have no intent of self examination?"

 

is that what this means?

1) Bishadi, I would like to cover you head to toe with litre and litre of Cow & Bull Dung.

2) Bishadi, I would then rinse you down with a power water hose --after the dung had hardened

Once a comment was made that 'when someone is willing to bend over to share their stinky side; at least they bent over by choice!'

last time I posted this, someone said I was "highly disturbed". This time I will include part two:

 

1) Bishadi, I would like to cover you head to toe with litre and litre of Cow & Bull Dung.

 

2) Bishadi, I would then rinse you down with a power water hose --after the dung had hardened.

 

 

 

Thank you, you're welcomed, I assure you it would be my pleasure, Oh Yeah,

Bhaktajan

What compassion!

Is that after you eat the cow?

From soup to nuts, garcon.

Then why are you posting?

Why are you on a sight of people seeking knowledge if you have no intent of self examination?