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No need to kid about what many are seeking; note the thread, many are contemplating and the compassion towards seeking the knowledge to understanding is quite beautiful.He is on the way. Just kidding.It will take around 300000 more years. I am not sure with exact figuer. It is there in Srimad bhagavata
The final chapter is the knowledge to understand existence. When the consciousness of existence, upon mass (mankind) can comprehend existence; the pinnacle of mans evolution.Apparently Jesus has pretty much already provided concrete evidence of an afterlife with his resurrection but that doesn't seem to have cured all the ills of the Kali-yuga. Apparently the Kalki-avatar is going to cure all the ills of the Kali-yuga by killing off the corrupted kings of the Earth at the time but who knows for sure. Regardless Srimad Bhagavatam is an interesting and beautiful explanation of our existence.By this the sciences will have a paradigm shift as then all realities of physical knowledge combine.
The medical field will cross that impasse within chemistry; health, medicine and longevity will all have the knowledge to further.
All of Srimad Bhagavatam doesn't make any sense if Lord Chaitanya was the Kalki-Avatar. Lord Caitanya was especially merciful to the fallen souls of the Kali-yuga because he gave them the maha mantra but the Kalki-Avatar apparently is going to be a killing machine right from the get go in other words he is not going to be asking any questions but apparently even those that get killed by the Kalki-avatar will be liberated from birth and death so its not like the Kalki-Avatar is going to be some mundane madman.
the war is not of kalki although the truth that seeds the minds of men will enable the judgments to those of corrupt intent (the self).<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->If both the killed and the ones left alive will be liberated, then I fail to see the point of his incarnation again.
The beast defeated is the power of the self. Each are capable but it is the beliefs and failed knowledge that birth(s) the isolations of mankind from the total (nature/god).
A pure contributor to knowledge is of godhead even when often misguided by existing ideas. It is when the teacher humbles to see the truth is when the godhead stands firm with integrity versus a self remaining complacent to the old.I agree with Godseed.Guru is very important but is not God!
awe, then to know each generation contributes for the next then the evolution and ‘divinity’ is not so much the words as the choice to pursue them and recognize true realities rather than any omnipotence, magic or phenomenon to be the defining description.there can only be ThreeGuru(s)...ShreeKrshna, ShreeNityänandajee and ShreeShambu!
all others are merely repeating Their divine Teachings...
and well, u might be aware of the sorry state of svaminarayan sect today, i mean those scandals and what not...
actually, the scientific and devotion oriendted teachings are time-proof!
Beautiful.Just like the Teachings of the Vedas, anyone who sincerely follows has to succeed, even in the last lag of Kaliyuga.but non-scintific (unVedic) followers have to fall apart!
The physical entity should be noted a vehicle to life, but the compassionate gifts left (knowledge) is the life personified withstanding time, developing ‘life to continue’.so far as having guru deity in temple is concerned, certainly, that is on! its absolutely Vedic!
for each to know ‘truth’ of reality in the pure form, then each lie begins to fade at that moment. The truth can exist in each as then the beasts of ill conception fade to extinction.The original topic was how Kalki would be able to cut all demon's heads while riding a horse. I would advice some administrative intervention.
No ruler exists when knowledge defines enabling equality which allows the collective conscious to live within all mankind.He just comes to sort out the residual problems of Kaliyuga by delivering the righteous from the clutches of wicked rulers.The war is true but not of a person but the divisions of mankind seeking proprietary for the self. As the dust settle, the judgments continue; the remaining will be the children of Peace.
As for which continent was the birth from; of course from the west, where it was only a choice that made the difference.
And that promise will be kept my friends!
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If God is a person interested in relationship with each of us, what consequences does that have for our internal spiritual growth and relationship with Him, and also one with another?Such spirituality based on personality must be very sweet?
I was reading Gita today and the phrase 'Supreme Personality of Godhead' stood out. I thought, this is the perfection of religion, and this expression of God is the highest truth.
Supreme Personality of Godhead is when truth exists withstanding any personal requisites.
Each person can be true to existence by choice by simply remaining true to existence over the self and what the environment of man imposes as real.
The first absolute truth to begin Peace is; mankind created all words.
Then that leads to the second prefect truth; knowledge evolves.
A true contributer to all existence keeps the precepts of never conveying a false representation or reflection of knowledge.
The godhead personality is the choice of contributing for the 'life' of tomorrow, to continue.
Maintain the core truths, at each choice:
Good: supports life
Bad: loss to the common
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a word is not universal to understanding.
A name cannot affect each the same.
Dialects, comprehension and knowledge each offer variations.
Knowledge can transcent!
The truth in unifying or settling the collective conscious in peace, is by knowledge.
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I don't believe these are the words of Srila Prabhupada.I don't have a complete Vedabase to check it, but I have never heard Srila Prabhupada used the word "mushroomed" or "their illegitimate fold" etc. etc.
These words don't smack of Srila Prabhupada.
It sounds like a forgery to me.
That books was published in 1992 and was never approved by Srila Prabhupada.
I don't accept those words as the actual words of Srila Prabhupada.
It doesn't sound like any style of language that I have ever heard from Srila Prabhupada.
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So basically you suggest I offer bad material and possibly lying based on a construct that you do not have access to the data. And you are supposed to be compassionate yet categorized me and the data without taking the possibility of error upon yourself
Any then you share to believe in this below as truth?!?1?!?
The body is always inviting death, come to me. This body means invitation to death. So dear our body to us, but our real welfare is to get out of this body and do not enter this body which is so dear to us at present.“Life; is purposed to continue” and instinct will take over even if the conscious chooses otherwise. Basically to swallow something bad, your body will puke it up.
There is no life or consciously existing sole with memories after death. (see Alzheimer’s) The only existence left is what your ‘body’ contributes by your choices as you live. Plant a tree, contribute to a birth, teach good knowledge but please the idea of some omnipotence or heaven where we meet out forefathers in some mystical place does not exist. No reincarnations, these are myths. There is nothing that will instill memories on a sole without learning or the entanglement of energy reflecting a prophecy or sight in which most do not even recognize it is happening; dejavu.
These hopes and dreams are the misleading of faith, like offering carrots to the applicants.
Want the truth? Ask.
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Wow ... the amount of names for God yet, God is no demi or anything god.
All things, all time; the total is God. The collective conscious began the whole existance. Comprehend this and know the truth which means contribute, not comply, just to be accepted.
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Why has nobody quoted Prabhupada about religion without philosophy is sentimentality and philosopy without religion is mental speculation.That pretty much wraps it up.
“The presentation of this knowledge in a systematic and scientific manner will bring about universal sublime peace. Yet . . . unauthorized cults have mushroomed into prominence and are fast expanding their illegitimate fold with naïve disciples. What one fails to comprehend is how the leaders of these cults . . . can suddenly rise to the position of spiritual master themselves. The subject matter that needs to be promulgated among the people is not some cheap, sentimental concoction meant to deceive them.”
page 117, Renunciation Through Wisdom (by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, Bhaktivedanta Book Trust, 1992)
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Ganesha: Srila Prabhupada, if the knowledge was handed down by the saintly kings, evam parampara-praptam, how is it that the knowledge was lost?
Srila Prabhupada: When it was not handed down. Simply understood by speculation. Or if it is not handed down as it is. They might have made some changes. Or they did not hand it down. Suppose I handed it down to you, but if you do not do that, then it is lost. Now the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><ST1:PLACE><st1:place>Krishna</st1:place></ST1:PLACE> consciousness movement is going on in my presence. NOW AFTER MY DEPARTURE, IF YOU DO NOT DO THIS, THEN IT IS LOST. If you go on as you are doing now, then it will go on. BUT IF YOU STOP...”<O:P></O:P>
Room Conversation with Carol Cameron--<ST1:DATE Year="1975" Day="9" Month="5"><st1:date Year="1975" Day="9" Month="5">May 9, 1975</st1:date></ST1:DATE>, <ST1:CITY><ST1:PLACE><st1:City><st1:place>Perth</st1:place></st1:City></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY> (emphasis added)
Basically, if the sciences are not included then the path is only a portion of the truth. If the ‘kings’ knew, then it was lost as it can not be found in any existing rendition.
Well at least available in print.
“A bona fide spiritual master is in the disciplic succession from time eternal, and he does not deviate at all from the instructions of the Supreme Lord”
The covenant is that the children of tomorrow will have Understanding, that is the promise and will be kept. No single sect has the total story although each suggests this to be so. Still many claim the other a liar, when none can describe why we are alive and how it works. That is the objective of Understanding; the sciences and religions will be combined.
And even though the scope breaks many rules of faith; the truth will begin without the complacent. No need for the truth to comply or be accepted, as them who suggest knowing actually reap the lower status by self imposed secularization.
Ever heard, ‘the last will be first and the first to be last’
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As the singularity in total includes time then all mass and time is God.
It is the isolation of renditions that cause the isolations from the ‘total’ conscious. Be the fools who retain complacency withstanding truth.
The birth is of <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place>Krishna</st1:place>, same as any who ever walked, but unless standing in full view, none have existed unless by the simulation of men in descriptions.
To know the ‘total’ as God allows knowledge to evolve by exploring the many renditions all based from the ‘time’ existing. The truth of comprehension is by identifying the ‘total’ represented by the rendition of many in time.
The responsibility to the <st1:place>Krishna</st1:place> conscious, is in recognizing that what is being said is the collective conscious is what creates the beginning of existence itself.
So basically we are here now standing based from an event, ‘collective conscious’ which has not even occurred.
And in every sect or faith of belief, most all have suggested a period when the truth will walk.
Guess who?
Ask questions but please my brothers of Love, Peace is the destination, find the road but only One has the truth and until Understanding is released; ask the questions all our brothers may wish to comprehend.
Be pure and know the truth, be the fool who doubts without conscious thought; Love.
Please, put up the test…. As even Srila knew the coming change would remove the need of religion and rituals …
Test me all you like but know the truth walks as the covenant is simply a thanks for being alive.
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In Sri Guru and His Grace, Srila Sridhar Maharaja says in ch. 14.
That is what the revealing of truth is for. To allow Understanding that the sciences and the faith of religions will be married..“In his conversation with Ramananda Raya, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu
rejected devotion contaminated with reason. He said, eho bahya age
kaha ara, "This is superficial; go further." Mahaprabhu accepted that
real bhakti begins from the stage of pure devotion, unmixed with
reason.”
This put me to thinking.......
Immediately, the "Moon is further than the Sun" controversy came to mind.
It hit me that "hey, maybe that is what this is really all about?"
Maybe the "Moon is further than the Sun" is a lesson that Srila Prabhupada taught and a test he gave to seperate pure devotees from devotees whose devotion is mixed with reason.
Reason tells us that, in the face of the scientific information available to all us people of the modern age, the Moon is in fact NOT further than the Sun.
The Sun is further than the Moon according to science.
But, this "Moon is further than the Sun" is really a great challenge and a great test that in fact forces the disciples of Srila Prabhupada to reject devotional service mixed with reason and scientific knowledge and embrace a very rich form of devotion that has to rise above the realm of reason to the realm of the inconceivable and non-calculative.
One is for an attempt to Understand within physical comprehension withstanding rituals and one uses rituals to reach a conscious humility to that unknowing.It is a fact that faith contaminated by scholarship and mundane scientific knowledge is a form of mixed devotion.Devotees of
Without physical application there can be No true conviction. Human nature …ffice:smarttags" /><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com<st1:place>Krishna</st1:place> are required to embrace the infinite and the inconceivable. If we cling to scientific conceptions at the cost of scriptural chastity, then we have failed to achieve unmixed devotion.
And then you suggest he was a chemist…Srila Prabhupada was not prepared to accept this form of devotion mixed with reason.He faithfully and loyally adhered to the Bhagavat conceptions and rejected this devotion mixed with scientific knowledge.
And like me, it was in chemistry where the errors are found to stand out.That is indeed a marvelous and amazing quality considering that Srila Prabhupada was in fact a chemist in his family life and not at all sheltered from modern scientific thinkers.Knowing well that most everybody in the world believed that NASA landed men on the Moon, Srila Prabhupada deliberately challenged that scientific community and rejected their claims that they landed on the Moon on the basis of the Bhagavatam version that the Moon is further than the Sun.So Srila Prabhupada drew a line in the sand to seperate mixed devotion from devotion uncomtaminated by reason.
Pure devotion uncontaminated by reason is the symbol of Vrindavan.
All those who cherish the ideal of Vrindavan would do well to do as Srila Prabhupada did and reject this devotion contaminated by reason.
Why would you read a book on your operating system?
A method to observe may be to recognize that the entailing framework as to how all things exist had never been known or taught.
If there were 2 splashes on a pond, will there be increases and decreases of the waves upon interactions? The answer is ‘yes.’
What to see is if waves interact as some point there will be a reversed entropy. This is the concept in the sciences that has never been addressed; when energy associates there will be point of increased momentum that are not being addressed. IN physics they call it angular momentum and the frequency is the only assessment to the total power and not the increased amplitude.
You heard it from the lion’s keyboard.
All of the great teachers knew of the coming of the final knowledge.
The teachers did not say do not reason, they said the subjectivity to compassion should over come the basis by the sciences alone. The religions are for the associations of people, the sciences are for the descriptions.
Reasoned compassion is our greatest gift in contrast there is still the ones to secularize based on a belief; complacency.
Until the final truth walks.
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What if 'no turth' is absolute truth ? i.e. Krishna ??Then what is you?
Trinities and beliefs are often shared as law, some arms are thought in use but neither have a physical hand to hold a glass of water.
The 2 guises of balance are simply the one point of view yet in view is the function of how it works; truth.
Simply put, the answer is to remove the self to recognize Krishna; the combining conscious each posses. Where the rendition of other arms are simply manifestations of a trait. See the Zodiak to further this line of thought.
the fact is each of reasoned thought is capable to Understand but the ease of complacency offers a path with ritual to feel still unable to know.
Why? Acceptance!
It's normal ....
want the truth
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Ooops! I disagree, every one ‘is of’ Krsna, but not many recognize.No one knows Krsna here.
Nope. Have you ever felt? Then so did Krsna.Only Krsna knows Krsna, is it not?
No separations, just consciously acknowledging is hampered by misunderstanding.Krsna knows everyone, but no one knows Krsna.
Mates, livelong interplay, recognized by experiencing life, not predetermining.Do you think you know Krsna?
Makes it tough to observe; that selfish side.Krsna is everywhere hidden, for those with no love.
A constant beauty even of the dung. Marvel within compassion, live with the eyes of a child and ever the most mundane represent the beauty of life; Krsna so to speak.For those who have love-anointed eyes, then they can see Krsna everywhere un-hidden.
and just think each are equally capable but choose other …. Go figure?Krsna makes Himself easy for the simple and pure, but becomes very crooked for those who are complicated and dirty.
reminds me of the yinnin’ and yangin’ … even with both counter points, it is all still 100% of the One.Krsna is pure Krsna 100%.Funny thing, walking without seeing but still of, and within; and all by choice.
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Who says that Srila Prabhupada ONLY gave us the ABC's???
Aye!
When thirsty; to find water, at the young age we are provided for just by asking. In a few years often told to fetch at the local stream or basin for the family and then once responsible for the household, application of the community supply is necessary, but when the guide for the community, that knowledge of how to locate water in all seasons is the duty least all be without.
Sir Prabhupada only reached the household level and was never responsible to the whole community of man.
As evolution is apparent to the progress of living species, knowledge also evolves for the species.
The final showing brings in the four corners of men; the knowledge and spirit of that single source that has surfaced to nourish the hearts of each, in the tongue of the land, waiting for the words that can bring all to the conscious of Understanding.
In making bread, water is but a portion of the mix, grain offers the base still available in many forms, the bowl gives the mix a home, together, in the heat, growth, the final product only offered by the mixture of each, so the nourishment become edible for life giving substance.
As the days unfold, knowledge is being prepared for the children, to be One within the collective, united by application and compassion, able to live forever with basis, known then, said by many and now physically alive for the peace of tomorrow.
Who says that Srila Prabhupada ONLY gave us the ABC's???
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The words are being written for all to understand!
(8) One cannot understand that the association of nondevotees brings utter inauspiciousness until, as a matter of fortune one achieves the pure devotee’s mercy, which results from Sri Krishna’s grace.<O:P></O:P>
<O:P></O:P>(9) The words of pure devotees are contrary to our sense gratification. No matter how pitiless and harsh their words may seem if we can sincerely submit to them with our body, mind and words, our eternal welfare is assured.<O:P></O:P>
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In truth; the whole of men will be represented, the understanding of life will be understood, the responsibility of each will be felt, and the consciousness of the One will be whole.
Knowledge is unifying.
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this is from the above website........Kalki on being the Kalki Avatar
The Oneness Festival and The World University of Consciousness was founded by The Experience Foundation and The Golden Age Foundation.
The Experience Foundation, headquartered in Sweden with a global network in more than 30 countries, has the purpose of providing an opportunity for great teachers and fine representatives of spiritual traditions to share their wisdom on how to create a global transition.
The Golden Age Foundation is a spiritual institution, born in India and globally known as Kalki Dharma, created with the one objective of helping Humanity to discover and experience the truths of the ancient principles and live in harmony with the Universe.
Kalki, or Sri Kalki Bhagavan, the founder of Golden Age Foundation, is considered to be the Kalki Avatar capable of bringing enlightenment and to introduce the Golden Age.
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Here he is commenting on being the Kalki Avatar.
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Question: Are you the Kalki Avatar? Sri Kalki Bhagavan: "You must be very clear that I have never claimed to be Kalki". In the beginning when the retreats were at Somamangalam (a place where retreats were conducted in the initial stages of the movement) a lot of people began to have "visions", they began calling me Kalki. The world Kalki is just a "title" given by people to Me. And I have come to accept the "title".
So there we have it a "title" and nothing more.......from visions of untitled people, could be anyone.......
it must state in the bonafide scriptures when an incarnation or any form of the lord appears......so the srimad bhagavatam says the end of kali yuga is when lord kalki appears.......
J.S das
Should I call these people up? I have asked over and over if some of you would 'ask your guru' about some of the defined statements made.
Why is it that attitude has to be my defining characteristic within this forum?
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thanks for posts!and all answers here
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1. if souls are eternal- that means that the number of the souls is the same ever..
how many souls are?
2. when one soul libetares karma, maya (reicarnations)- what is that called?
when one soul reaches that- can it go back to material world?
if not...
sonner or later we will all liberate from maya
3. what happen when all jivas liberate from maya?
is it possible?
then there is no maya...
4. why the Supreme Lord need Maya, material world?
if the true part is our eternal soul-
why has he created maya, material world?
5. i read that Krishna has 100% 0f 64 qualities
question is: what is the situation (%) of my soul in "the beging of yournei"?
what is the procentage at the moment of liberation from maya?
Here we go
If a rock was thrown onto a pond, would the effects remain forever? If You a conscious thing of choice cause ‘anything’ will it survive? Yes .. if of quality and to continue life. No … to be extinct if of selfish or of ill regard.1. if souls are eternal- that means that the number of the souls is the same ever..how many souls are?
There is something you are looking for but I am not sure, but reincarnations are only that when an event is caused by a conscious being that will support a continued life. Plant a tree, write a poem, nurture a child… each on ‘good soil’ will continue even if that energy goes to another thereof to continue its existence, ‘you cause good, you live long time,’ ancient Bishadi proverb.2. when one soul libetares karma, maya (reicarnations)- what is that called?
Not sure of your definitions and too lazy to look em up but let’s poke at what it is suggesting least the contents of the conversations;3. what happen when all jivas liberate from maya?is it possible?
then there is no maya...
Yes… it is possible to liberate the people from selfishness. Teach the children how we exist and soon the BS will go ‘extinct.’ Remember; ‘the young will begin to teach the old.’ The ‘old’ cannot describe how the molecular structures or even what ‘energy’ is, physically; and the real ‘old’ still think we came from mud or dust or even some blue guy yet evolution is correct and it starts from how mass and energy associate, with the exact same purpose as life itself, ‘to continue.’ What makes us so important is we have choice, ‘rocks that know it exists’ blatantly put but, we can create and in a physical reality, ‘take 2 colors and make a different shade,’ and in another; we know Love. We are a part of this ‘total’ and know it and able to create a perpetual existence which is proven that only of ‘good’ will continue.
Think about it! Have you ever been in Love? Do you feel that warm and fuzzy, gives you goose bumps with pure compassion and an ability to sacrifice yourself just to care for that other. Well you are feeling and every experience of any kind at that time and right now, so does God, “the total.”4. why the Supreme Lord need Maya, material world?So every bit in time every area of conscious feelings are experienced by the “Supreme Lord” or all the renditions and pictures and whatever have you, in a physical scientific actuality, this is what is occurring to God, the total or simply put ONE!
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Yes. Everything IS as it should be, as not a blade of grass moves without the sanction of the Lord.Everything He does is perfect.
He created us to have a relationship with Him.
A true relationship is a voluntary one, and therefore He has given us choice. So whether we choose Him, or we turn away from Him, that is our only choice. And because He has given us that choice, He knew that we could make "mistakes", i.e. NOT choose Him.
And this is why God's creation is perfect. Even when "mistakes" are made: because it is all for our growth, for our ultimate realization that there IS no other relationship than the one we have with Him.
All our other relationships are given to us by His grace. They are reflections of our consciousness, resulting from the choices we have made. He gives us whatever it is we want.
Therefore, it is NOT POSSIBLE, to enjoy separate from Him, because all we experience, both GOOD and BAD, are due to His having created it, us and the choices we make.
This is quality articulation within a knowledge based constraint.
There is no perfection from any single source and this here suggests reasoning and thought from multiple sources.
My little opinion.
I would like to add just a bit
Or maybe we became from Him. Think in the line of "if He is everything, then we are of Him", seeing within this existence" We are experiencing within or simply "we are seeing from the eyes of God." Or another idea I read was, 'when you look into the eyes of another, see God."He created us to have a relationship with Him.
I agree and is it possible that is why we 'know' good and evil per se? For example; you and I are separate but yet we both know we are of God. If we want to continue existencing, we work together to combine resource, and if we cheat or harm the other we isolate ourselves from the commitment of community,And because He has given us that choice, He knew that we could make "mistakes", i.e. NOT choose Him.so in a sense by identifying ourselves as separate we are lost in isolation or physically not assisting the continuance of our existance.
So to define good; a commitment to quality continued existance; life. Bad; would be isolating or choosing to do for the self. In all cricumstances of choice it appears this will be the definition to be made.
All our other relationships are given to us by His grace. They are reflections of our consciousness, resulting from the choices we have made. He gives us whatever it is we want.I cannot agree with any sentence in this.
Yes we have choice, I agree, No, we do not get what we want, my opinion.
And "reflections of our consciousness" in a sense, are our ablity to associate with compassionate reasoning, we can comprehend effects we have and reason out outcomes of situations, we can create and cause based on our own needs and wants or the observance for others and God, the 'total.' This is what Love is!
My opinion
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Hi,I'm not part of ISKCON but a different sampraday. A lot of people who are part of ISKCON describe Shri Krsna as 'Supreme Personality of Godhead'. I'm not sure what this actually means. Could someone from here explain what is meant by this.
Ragudas
Take a read http://vedabase.net/sb/12/2/17/en
use links to define each word as you like.
Google up the ideas mentioned.
Internet is a link to the works of generations.
Enjoy
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By Theist
Wrong and extremely biased line of thought. Most scientists know of “God” by understanding the fact that all things are associated but it has nothing to do with a “Supreme Intelligence behind the phenomena.”Any truly open minded scientist must realize that there is a Supreme Intelligence behind this phenomenal world
What phenomena would you like to know about? Be specific!
I agree and why it cracks me up that since you have admitted you ‘do not know,’ why would you point to the same ‘cop out’ that theologians have been doing for generations.An example of an open minded scientist would be the agnostic. He honestly admits he does not know but will follow the facts where they lead. That is open minded.Is it possible that maybe someday ‘we the people’ will know God, personally?
And if you and the scientists on this globe basically understand that God is within or “of’ the total, why would His compassion not allow us to know, let alone mention a return?
You are short changing yourself, your rendition and the works of the forefathers.
Are you a preacher (oppressor)? Because to suggest we/us will never know not only is against what out fathers told us, but also suggests God “the total” just never does anything right and can not be believed.
Men make the mistakes in Understanding ….. the ‘total’ never does, and until you take the time to understand ‘all of it’ then please be fair to the persons who want to know….
Please step off the podium!
If you haven’t noticed, I hate with a passion, the people who are not willing to grow but try and teach without knowing what the heck they are talking about.
Sagan is dead and Hawkins is lost in funding pursuits for <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com
<st1:City><st1:place>Cambridge</st1:place></st1:City>.
What phenomena do you wish to discuss? I like nuts and bolts or even waves. The issue within today’s sciences has a problem of not addressing the wave particle duality and Planck issued a constant from the block box phenomenon which has caused most of the problems within the sciences.
But I think you want to know more on other phenomena…. Open a thread and let’s make fun of my ideas. .. I don’t mind being the butt of a joke …. Laughter releases endorphins which are good for us. (or is that an emotion you also want to oppress)
Next you may say ‘be chaste’ and for you that may work as we the people do in fact wish for negatives to go extinct.
Double edged message …
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Remember this and vow to double your efforts to fulfill Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur's desires
May I inquire as to what ‘desires’ … and please quote and not guess …
Does this mean God is not of each ‘element’ or does this mean there is only one truth for the globe?Remain united in following the asraya-vigraha in order to satisfy the transcendental senses of the one, non-dual supreme truth.
I won’t, thank you, but please I beg any of true compassion must all be observant to all versus selfish.Don't lose your spirit if you see that the majority of people cannot accept the principle of selfless service to the Supreme Lord.
Well the nature of our eternal life has been shrouded in literature throughout and it is our duty to learn so to know how this works empirically and within today’s literature the fact of our ‘eternal life’ actually, physically works, is what I bring.What is necessary for us, while we are still here, is to learn what will remain after we have removed all those difficulties -- what will be the nature of our eternal life.
but still the definitions are not understood as the ‘duality of attraction and repulsions’ and can be stated in 2 methods, either of physical applicability or of reasoned or instinctive rational.There are so many things which we want or don't want, but we have to come to terms with this duality of attractions and repulsionsPhysical is exactly suggesting how mass and energy associate and that is my job or to understand how all species were instinctive and it is our consciousness that allows us to overcome the beast of instinct by choice.
Or basically as a conscious species we are all trying to overcome our instinctive nature. For example; a amn could be attracted to another women as an instinct to breed but since already married, “I should not.” Our fulfillment is to the thoughtful commitment, which to harm is quite damaging (harming the wife’s heart) to any eternal existence.Knowingly or unknowingly, every human being is struggling to eliminate the adventitious elements in life which interfere with his direct experience of eternal fulfillment.
To try and become compassionate rather than instinctive as of the natural world; Love transcends.Our only obligation is to go beyond duality and to enter the world of that eternal fulfillment.To unravel the words of the truly humble has been a gift since being a boy, I honor them with knowing, “if they only had the words.”
So I do understand the Guru and as stated it has been the lifelong pursuit to learn just as required.
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By definition what He does is right; even when He's wrong - that's right, just the way it's supposed to beThis is a good answer too!Okeedokeee!
Taken with bhaktidd's answer:....theoretically God can make mistakes, because He is able to do anything. Whether He does or not is a different matter....By definition what He does is right; even when He's wrong - that's right, just the way it's supposed to be....
Have you ever thought maybe you’re not capable of comprehension? For example cutting down a tree is the end of the world for a squirrel home but shelter for another. Does the squirrel know that?
There is a nice uncomplicated answer!Many seek the ruler's favour; but a man's judgment cometh from the LORD. Proverbs 29.26Proverbs 29:26 (Young's Literal Translation)
26Many are seeking the face of a ruler, And from Jehovah [is] the judgment of each
Proverbs 29:26 (New International Version)
26 Many seek an audience with a ruler,
but it is from the LORD that man gets justice
Proverbs 29:26 (Darby Translation)
26Many seek the ruler's face; but a man's right judgment is from Jehovah
Proverbs 29:26 (The Message)
26 Everyone tries to get help from the leader,
but only GOD will give us justice.
Bottom line ….. your using a scripture, asking for acceptance but we of the ‘total’ will judge applicability as each are now!
In the days of ‘reckoning’ please … you could only hope God (some dude flying through the clouds) is the judge… because when the people (of the total) find out just how badly they have been oppressed, the people are going to be swift in expedient ‘judgment.’
Remember the first become last etc etc …. The people are who tear down the temples for being mislead for so long …. Today is 12/9/06 copy this and mark my words ………
Do not fear the big guy so much as the ‘heat’ when the masses are told the truth…. It is basically why I am hated so bad by the west …. The truth hurts!
The east at least grows but until there is belief in what is being said, I will just have fun, learn and let the few true seekers taste a bit.
The real ones smell it from the screen …… and if, like me, just can’t wait to see responsibility set in from each alive. If you are reading my friends then you will find just as it is hear it can be found from all theology.
I will never mislead … too responsible in caring!
I am happy with being alive, know it, care about it, and like promised will share what the total has left for us to learn from.
Kali Sutra / is on the death bed …..
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Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence and false ego — all together these eight constitute My separated material energies.- are the mentioned "minds" the same?
than i can ask- what is a mind?
shanti:)
"Mind over matter"
"The ether is the base of the creation.Let me eaxplain to you."
You have no idea how often I have pondered that very line of thought.
If a conscious thing can become a part of the total just by humble observance where time does not maintain locality with the ability to 'create' does this equate to the mind creating the existance?
I cannot answer this.
"The ether is the base of the creation.Let me eaxplain to you."
please do!
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IN time!The ether is the base of the creation.Let me eaxplain to you.the panch tattvas are as follows:
1. Earth ( solid)
2. Water ( liquid)
3. Air ( gas)
4. fire ( energy)
5. akash ( ether )
from above it is clear that in the creation a matter can be transformed from one in to another by either extracting or giving energy.And the whole activity takes place in ether.
Ether is a mind of a normal human being.where in allthe activities takes place.If there is no mind then the activities will not take place.Similarly if there is no ether than the physical,astral or causal activities will not take place.Ether can be considered as that center around which the whole creation circleslike I said, That ether is ‘time.’ Solution; nothing can be measured without time. No define; no time! It is why ‘everything’ is as One: any descriptions; a time constraint.
Ask the master or Guru of choice this question; ‘is time is not measured, in reality?’
It is why when we 'center' or humble ourselves 'enlightened' time is not an issue, we know to the 'total' and all time is at once.
If you like I can go into your own book and show these but then I will ask for your commitment otherwise please read a little more before trying to redirect the police.
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Hi, I am curious as to know if this is true. Was duryodhan in the mahabharat really an incarnation of the Kali demon? Thus when he died, the demon came out his body and began the Kali yuga i.e his death marked the begining of the Kali yuga after duryodhan died and beat the cow that king pariskshit saw?Is this Kali demon the eternal enemy of Vishnu? In all yugas? and days of brahma? Are demons a soul 2?
Vishnu is God the ‘total’, correct? Or can you just humor me on this for my little bit here.
Yugas are periods described even before and after they occurred, correct?
And a ‘sole’ is a transcending or continued existence, correct?
Laugh at me I don’t care, but give me a shot here please….
If a person is of the “total” with the unique ability to make a difference within a period and has choice, then to be properly observant any action would either be supportive of continued quality life or would isolate themselves within individual purpose irregardless to any other. Basically live either good or bad. (oops I gave the answer to another question)
So let’s examine the idea within this … IF during a period of selfishness among men, Kali Yuga, our species began to take, being isolated from observance causing destructive residual to the collective, (enemy of the total) which will be left as a toxin until diluted and not further apparent, (dies) but the physical ‘demon’ are what lives within the residual both physically and psychologically as we are of consciousness; knowing, but the demon does not live of ‘choice’ unless within man. The nasty lives by need to continue as anything of energy does but choice is only of our species hence why we will overcome the left residual of ‘kali yuga.’
A sole is also what is left upon the period we exist within. Either it is of good or it is not it is only upon these bags of bones are we (the sole) able to experience but what ‘splash’ we make is our mortality and now we choose what we become.
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But 'four five four' means something different in spanish.m. wrote:It follows that humans must be born with a universal innate grammar, which is determinate and has a highly organized directive component, and enables the language learner to ascertain and categorize language heard into a system.
bishadi wrote:
Please my friend, that is like saying I can go to China and have a conversation with anyone.
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You are missing the point.
Saying humans are born with a universal innate grammar means humans have the ability to grasp learn language. The prior knowledge that "words have meaning" is innate.
and when a guy gets this ...........
Ether is also the constituent element of material sound.
We make sounds by manipulating ether
Then we know language or the proper use of it is a wee bit short for the majority on this globe to ever ever ever believe or even consider relevant but reflect the depth of one not so well learned. (still a puppy)
So language is learned as well as concepts of thought or even descriptions.
For example I say 'life' is energy upon mass and from that first beginning step, evolution begins but 'life' in today's description has a whole bunch of 'principles of majority' that define that word and I am not a good POM POM girl ..........ether!
So I offered a concept about what this 'ether' is and some guy throws an old book at it. 2006 buddy, kali over.... time to set the tone and describe proper for the kids ... OK?
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This is the old school in the sense that without the ability to describe there could be no way to descriptively shed any empirical statement, with evidence. True, honest and humble!I would say he is unaffected by what you think about him... Good or bad... he is transcedental... I always wondered how is it possible to measure him with this tiny mind any respect<?xml:namespace prefix = v ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" /><v:shapetype id=_x0000_t75 stroked="f" filled="f" path="m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" o:preferrelative="t" o:spt="75" coordsize="21600,21600"> <v:stroke joinstyle="miter"></v:stroke><v:formulas><v:f eqn="if lineDrawn pixelLineWidth 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @0 1 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum 0 0 @1"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @2 1 2"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelWidth"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelHeight"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @0 0 1"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @6 1 2"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelWidth"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @8 21600 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelHeight"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @10 21600 0"></v:f></v:formulas><v:path o:connecttype="rect" gradientshapeok="t" o:extrusionok="f"></v:path><o:lock aspectratio="t" v:ext="edit"></o:lock></v:shapetype><v:shape id=_x0000_i1025 style="WIDTH: 11.25pt; HEIGHT: 24pt" alt="" type="#_x0000_t75"><v:imagedata o:href="http://www.audarya-fellowship.com/forums/images/smilies/thinkerg.gif" src="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\TODDBI~1\LOCALS~1\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip_image001.gif"></v:imagedata></v:shape>..
And still, empirical data can only be acknowledged within the constraints of describing what we as a species have collectively assembled as of today.
Where it is tough is to instigate ‘cross training’ offering the setting to possibly understand but still without the sciences never would the majority find peace within any less description.
So when the Upanishads etc… offered ‘useless’ puzzles (I do not say these are useless, I am quoting another) which instigate humility as a tool. These are from wisdom, as it is only when the self is quieted do the seekers find true compassion or selfless understanding; observance.
But these are just interactions and realizing ‘we don’t know.’
Understand? But Yes! We can know ‘Him’ and all do just to ignant or selfish to settle in.He cant be understood by any thought or speculation. Its he who gives that understanding by which we can understand him....If there were no speculation or thoughts there would be no religion or followers let alone why we assemble for any of it. Because ‘yes’ it is our consciousness that instigates these which in itself is a direct window to know but without words defined empirically to describe. Every sect on the globe has this problem and why not one stands out as the single correct ONE.
Have you ever imagined a sought outcome? What is correct? Wishing for a specific result or experiencing each?Right and wrong, good and bad are states of mind... we should think above them...We are neither below nor above but both within choice. If there was perfection I would be walking on water and command the horse to stand so the journey can be made but neither is possible just as not one man who walked pure had in his pocket an owner’s manual written for all to comprehend. So never has any known absolute good or bad, in physical concept.
Each of our species within has both extremes and why we are such and with this we have more control over our future ‘existence’ then most comprehend.
Where this is going is we are a part of this existence (God) and it is only when we observe the contribution from each of the total can we even begin to describe what everyone of us internally knows and wants to understand. All the confusion is because of man and his selfish ignorance, not God and why questions of ‘Good or Bad’ even exists.
Why don’t we ask the question of each person here; what is good versus bad?
Not to be described in a scenario but philosophically.
Let’s see who is really catching on…..
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The ‘total’ is not ‘wrong’ or we would not be here.God can never be wrong.
Right! all are man made, God doesn’t ‘do’ anything when ‘He’ is ‘of’ everything.Wrong itself is no act. Rather it is a label that we apply to some acts.
Good job! “He’ isn’t doing what many claim. We are experiencing what “He” has given us the ability too within consciousness. Sick part is we are causing it not “Him” and what we experience ‘He’ does also. Sad, isn’t it?If we claim that God is limited, then we have to find some actual act, which He cannot do. Consider giving false information to somebody. This is an act. If God cannot do this act,
Nope … the ‘total’ can never be wrong it has been our species all along.then we have found a limitation of God. But God can give false information.Rude little beasts, eh?
This whole post basically says, none of us has a clue unless ‘the’ book says so. Sick reasoning if your book is of just one sect in theology as most say the same freaking line.Firstly, not only answers in Parama Satyam must be bona-fide according to shastra, but questions must also be bona-fide.To deal with this question properly with siddhanta and shastra, we must find it's original form as it is dealt with in shastra and find out how the rishis answered this question.
We cannot just go to tackle such matters without proper shastra reference and conclusions.
If anyone can find that questions perhaps coming from Maharaja Pariksit asking Suskadeva or somewhere else in shastra then we can understand this question with authorized answers.
Please stay away from small children, that ‘kind’ are scary and why this freaking globe is going through the problems we are in. That whole line of reasoning shows 2 things; 1) an oppressive existence; 2) That apparently there is no comprehension of what the teacher or original Guru was saying; we are all a part of ‘total.’ Know it, be responsible and live it!
Another scary comment. So when I go poop and there is a mess, is that what I am supposed to leave?By definition what He does is right; even when He's wrong - that's right, just the way it's supposed to beGod is all of it, no faults, nothing but existence, either live within or live without; funny thing, that choice!
If you want to know, you will drop your shorts and learn. If you don’t, pull on yourself, as soon that line will be extinct. The ‘total’ is not going to be caring if the individuals continue to remain separate. 2 edged sword; we the people will not stand for continued oppression as well if men continue to segregate by status the last will become the first and the first last.
Try this thought and ask your Guru.
“Will the truth be upon us when the young begin to teach the old?”
The new ‘works’ take each teaching into consideration the old do not. The young are looking for the truth from the ‘total’ the old do not. The old ways will perish now that Kali is over, the beginning is right in front of you.
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Let’s think this through; if mass associates based on the interaction and exchange of energy (light), then we have a truth that reaches a pinnacle of evolution in time; all mass, all energy all time; the total: One: God.
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Where each is literally a part of the total. In the beginning and in any point in time, to measure any system with pure responsibility than the total of each (MET) must be addressed.
So if life is energy (light) upon mass in time, then let’s walk the evolution; when atom 1 coupled with atom 2 with energy (adam and eve), then the total power between the 2 is greater than the sum of each.
As mommy and daddy combined (single cell sperm/egg) to make the new shade, that is you. Then in truth a portion of their light is alive within you. Likewise all their fathers and all their mothers (honor thy mother and thy father).
Now as energy in the body experiencing choice; that is where life can be created;
Plant a tree
Combine with another to make a new shade
Teach the truth
Each of these examples is that light continuing in time beyond the physical life of experiencing choice. Just as sleep brings the body to a period of no choice, the same is of physical death. The life is within of the consciousness where choice is experienced; yet to impose to existence energy by choice, then a continuance exists beyond the term of self.
Peace