Bishadi

It seems each religion has predictions. (prophecies on the matter)

As one may suggest, ‘no man can know the time’ that to see the signs is how to ‘know the time is near….’ So these astrological calendars and identification of cycles often are the basis to the religious beliefs; as they are ‘by god.’ (or even ...crishna ... the little blue guy) The 2012 date to me seems like the date of a new cycle, rather than just ‘the end’ of the old cycle. Such that like revelations in the holly bibil, there is no chapter after revelations or the revealing. (to reveal; apocalypse)

But in either case, each and every faith still in existence, for the most part, has something to say about the ‘last avatar.. kalki, adi Buddha, messiah, antichrist, dajal, massau, great white brother… the list is huge

 

That in all cases, knowledge will be the revealed frame to bring Peace to mankind.

 

As well when the truth exist, equality will reign and the rituals of faith removed from teaching (the religions will be over)….. it’s universal but many have a hard time admitting this fact even within their own literature.

 

By your own logic, No. Humans are capable of advancing spiritually which animals are not. Hence, the differentiation as this is the only shortcut available to animals.

 

Cheers

Cool thinking!

 

So since mankind has the ability of sentience response or the experience of choice, then to eat of the animals flesh, then their energy is within 'our' body to build the next bridge.

 

So by their sustenance we are given the power to continue building....

 

that's 'buddha thinking'

 

and who cares about the faithful, they continue to use others interpretations to fit their game, their faith, their hopes and fibs and all the while are not being honest with themselves.......

 

ie... nature is based on consumption.... meaning I will believe nature (god) over the opinions of men........ EVERYTIME!

 

What kind of answer is this?

 

suggesting nothing in print for purchase has the truth of existence within

 

 

Nevertheless an institution was built on the other requirement of book sales as the 'highest service'.

Such that the new publications of Srila only converted the teachings to western compliance, sell sell sell...

 

As the same with Mormon, JW and christianity.... each intend to continue a belief, whereas the truth combining all of them has never been put to publish.....

 

if you want the truth, then ask questions:

 

hence an old buddha suggested

 

"believe nothing no matter where you read it or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and common sense. "

 

 

so to seek the truth............... ask questions!~

 

Mindlessness?

It was a question. Meaning to follow a belief without comprehending the truth is 'mindlessness'

 

So I was asking a question. Why? it is to retain a social idea (religion)?

 

 

Sounds Buddhist. Pure negation,or mere negation leaves us literally with zero - impersonal samadhi.

 

That is what beliefs in faith without knowledge; zero comprehension.

 

Always remember, when the truth is recognized within, never again will faith or belief be the governing basis to understanding; the religions will be over.

 

No need for rituals!

 

Actually the Gaudiya Vaisnavas have been called 'fundamentalists' by Indologists. What is fundamentalism anyways?

Following a belief over pursuing the truth at all times

 

 

It's a literal-mindedness, taking scripture literally, without a view to interpretation.

Was the idea mindlessness? In which a belief presented by men/women over rides the truth of reality

 

 

Gosh doesn' t that sound familiar, taking Bhagavad Gita As it Is.

AS even in the old works, the knowledge of LIGHT combines all understanding

 

"TRANSLATION 10.11 Gita

To show them special mercy, I, dwelling in their hearts, destroy with the shining lamp of knowledge the darkness born of ignorance "

 

Ignorance is following a path that does not combine what is natural with the experience of life.

 

i was just watching a movie and this guy died in his sleep. normally we tend to say that if you die in your sleep that it was a peacefull death.

Death is as simple as the mass of your body is without the experience of choice. So then each period of sleep is as simple as the physical death itself

 

 

what i would like tp know is if any scriptures adressed this subject about the different kinds of death. for instance ghandi was killed, while shanting the name of the lord, do was it a good death. also i have heaard that if you are dreaming that you haaev been killed, that u eill di in ur sleep?

Ghandi is still mentioned; his works are alive and well!

 

Know true life by what you do!

 

remove the suffering in knowing the 'good' (supports life)

 

Each choice we make in the 'wake' of life is either to 'support life' and lives forever or a 'loss to the common' in which a misleading frame of belief can kill more true understanding, in which each will fade to extinction, never to be known in the living.

 

Nevertheless an institution was built on the other requirement of book sales as the 'highest service'.

 

still the truth has never been published....

 

ask a question, rather than post an answer

 

Srila Prabhupada's Arrival Talk, March 23, 1975, Mayapur:

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Jayapataka: ...you Srila Prabhupada. Only by your mercy you have brought us to this Krsna consciousness movement.

Prabhupada: Yes. I am simply messenger. Mercy is of Bhaktivinoda Thakura and Srila Prabhupada. BEFORE YOUR COMING THEY PREDICTED, THAT "SOMEBODY WILL BRING." MAYBE THAT SOMEBODY I AM.

But did the movement during his lifetime bring world Peace and remove all suffering? No!

 

IT IS THE DESIRE OF BHAKTIVINODE THAKURA TO PREACH THE CAITANYA CULT ALL OVER THE WORLD AND IN 1875 HE PREDICTED THAT SOMEONE WOULD COME VERY SOON WHO WOULD INDIVIDUALLY PREACH THIS CULT ALL OVER THE WORLD.

As for the truth to exist, then the ‘light’ of knowledge will transcend all beliefs and be grounded in pure truth equal to all mankind.

 

THE TRUE ACARYA, THE SPIRITUAL MASTER OF THE ENTIRE WORLD is the ONE **SINGULAR** person who is the ACARYA OF THE ENTIRE WORLD.

As the truth only operates in ONE fashion….

 

It is Srila Prabhupada who is **THAT** SPIRITUAL MASTER OF ALL THE VARNAS (BRAHMANA, KSATRIYA, VAISYA AND SUDRA) AND ALL THE ASRAMAS (BRAHMACARYA, GRHASTHA, VANAPRASTHA AND SANNYASA). Srila Prabhupada THE TRUE ACARYA PRESENTS KRSNA TO EVERYONE BY PREACHING THE HOLY NAME OF THE LORD THROUGHOUT THE WORLD(In Srila Prabhupada’s books he gives EVERYONE the Holy name).

Did Sp bring the unifying math to the world? Which represents ‘all mass, all energy, all time; ONE; the Total; God’ ? No!

In which the universal language is mathematical. As half the world may think a hairy crishna is new bread of critter.

 

the true combining frame to all mankind is when reality is understood combining the teaching of each sect with UNDERSTANDING

 

TRANSLATION 10.11 Gita

To show them special mercy, I, dwelling in their hearts, destroy with the shining lamp of knowledge the darkness born of ignorance.

Great wisdom!

Understanding of ‘the light’ removes all requisite of beliefs and ignorance to set you free of faith and hope.

 

But even if a devotee does not take advantage of their literatures or of his spiritual master, if he is sincere in his devotional service he is helped by Krishna Himself within his heart.

Perhaps because each is of consciousness, then compassion is inert even to the unlettered.

So even them without a clue as to who Srila Prabhupada ever was, Peace can be known in knowledge not chanting a set of words.

 

Well sincerity means being non-duplicitous. One can be sincere in seeking God to get some money from Him or anything else. To be sincere in bhakti though means one's ultimate purpose and motivation for action is to awaken selfless love for God.

Seems this is an example of contradictions. TO be learned in many areas of wisdoms offer far more knowledge to comprehend than staying the course of any single faith.

There is a huge mistake people make when they turn away from Srila Prabhupada because of the moon thing or they meet some devotee who is better at quoting scriptures or who seeming talks of more elevate devotional topics. No one I have heard of has shown a stronger desire to please and serve

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Excuse me, but it seems SP did not bring peace to mankind, so the knowledge to release the suffering is not complete for universal peace.

The real test is who wants to please

<st1:place>Krishna</st1:place> the most and who has no other desire or motivation.

<st1:place>Krishna</st1:place> as the total of existence, then even the brother of ‘no religion’ has something to share.

Can anyone question Srila Prabhupada's sincerity of motivation and purpose? No.

As who could question a 15 year boy who straps on an explosive device all for the purpose of Love. So as devotion can be attributed to a martyr, the same to a follower of the Pope; each are taught what to believe but it is in compassion for ‘others’ over the self that is the motivation, the undying Love for existence that is to measure, not the belief in a sect of teaching.

As to integrity no one can have greater integrity than

<st1:place>Krishna</st1:place>'s devotee because Bhakti is not an artifical imposition upon the mind. It flows from the soul itself. Bhakti is integral to the soul.

Motivation is not integral nor is yoga or ritual believe to reality. Motivation comes from either integrity as well from complacency. Such that an undying choice to chant and wish, is such divided from the integrity of truth.

 

This is also the reason Bhakti is not a religion like Hindu Christian Islam Hebrew etc.

But it is, such that complacent belief that knowing god can only be seen in silence, which to see nature is where the pure rendition of God represents itself.

Remember man can fib and mislead, nature cannot!

TO remove suffering only takes the truth in Understanding. Let the words share the truth

“To show them special mercy, I, dwelling in their hearts, destroy with the shining lamp of knowledge the darkness born of ignorance.”

Every moment is of learning, seek the lesson even in the accident.

 

Hey, I'm 'pro-choice' (figuratively speaking) for most things. But, I don't think that Vaishnavas need to start choosing which Avatars in the Maha Dasha Avataram they want to throw out based on their own personal whimsy. The Lord's incarnations aren't just some game of 'eeney meeney miney moe,

 

I agree. It is almost like the idea of not eating meat for sustenance.

 

Funny people...... almost like the 'holy rollers' .... 'who ever can endure the most pain wins'

 

And that has nothing to do within reality; its a faith issue!

 

 

We can't change history and we can't change the Lord's Avatars. It's not something we have a say in. It's not an election or a popularity contest

 

But it seems that in order to be heard, one must fit into the mold created by the religion.

 

It is one reason the younger generations will be vindicated with the truth, as it is usually the elders who are the most ignorant and bend on maintaining rituals and unnecessary time spent in being humble rather than digging for the truth.

 

Perhaps if more time was spent seeking, then remaining complacent, it may not have taken so long.

 

Lord Buddha is clearly an avatar of Bhagavan, as is detailed in shastra, so why are there any Hindus (especially Vaishnavas) who refuse to recognize Him as such when He is clearly called an Avatar of Bhagavan in the Srimad Bhagavata Purana?

 

Sanskrit:

tatah kalau sampravrtte

sammohaya sura-dvisam

buddha namnanjana-sutah

kikatesu bhavisyati

English:

Then, in the beginning of Kali Yuga, the Lord will appear as Lord Buddha, the son of Anjana, in the province of Gaya, just for the purpose of deluding those who are envious of the faithful theist.

--Srimad Bhagavata Purana 1.3.24

 

Are we now allowed to pick and choose which avatars are real avatars based on our personal preference?!

No picking a teacher as the teacher must offer the knowledg equal to all mankind.

 

The last buddha is the same as the antichrist as it is when the last conveys what is true that no religions will be the key to understanding ever again.

 

The choice was a selfless choice to learn over the course of life for the purpose of tomorrow. Just as all the others had done as in evolution, knowledge has also evolved but the difference is now we have the internet and knowledge from the globe can be touched by a simple choice.

 

The birth is of the 'west'. In a month/year of 6/66 June of 1966. With only one ear deformed (statues all show both ears) and brings the knowledge of light grounding all the religions, sciences and philosophies in one change to comprehending energy itself.

 

ie.... the trinity of existence is 'all mass, all energy (light) and all time and the math is thought to be the 'name of god'.......... the total; ONE!

 

when you bump into the compassionate giver of truth, please share to the world as only by choice can one pursue what is true.

so basically the thread suggest 'why pay for the songs'?

 

Perhaps allow knowledge to remove the requisite of rituals.

 

That if each were aware that they are not the center of the universe or literally an 'i' to isolate themselves from existence as a whole, then maybe the humility of compassion can be realized in each moment versus submission to chanting, meditation and selfless submission based on not being literally aware in true knowledge.

 

Be certain the children are learning all over the globe, the key is to realize that humility of maintaining old knowledge is isolating in itself, rather than honor ALL knowledge.

 

As ALL of it comes from existence (god) itself.

 

It's a good thing, in a sense. Atheists are far better than religious fundamentalists, who are often irrational. Sometimes, their fanaticism is so frightening that we need atheists to keep them in check once in a while.

 

It seems to question opinions is the 'good' thing. As until knowledge is understood that combines all mankind, then the evolution of knowledge continues.

 

Otherwise why are the new guru's be redefining the Bhagavad Gita?

 

Why is Hindu, Buddhism and the host of religions continue to evolve? Even using the same basic book. Sounds almost like christianity, judaism, and islam......... :>:>:>

 

Where the difficulty is, is in the integrity of the believers blinded by the teachers who NEED the following to exist.

 

The point is humility is born to the realization of 'unknowing'. That is what suffering is all about. As well to seek in meditation allows existence to be felt within as words had not evolved to comprehend what is true.

 

So thank the rebels who stand to integrity over and above following just to be accepted.

 

Shall I share within the teachings that when the truth exists to bring equality to all mankind with 'understanding'; the religions will no longer be needed?

 

Look for the sign; 'as the young begin to teach the old.'

 

That everybody wants to goto Heaven but no one wants to die...

 

Death is in the ignorance to comprehending life.

 

To know that by planting a tree in good soil, that supports life to continue well beyond the period of experiencing choice; is life in truth.

 

That to experience each moment in pure understanding offers the knowledge that life itself is ever lasting.

 

TO live within and know this takes the fear of death and throws it out the window.

 

What is the greatest wonder in the world?

 

The evolution of knowledge!

 

Must have been re-born as a devotee somewhere in the world then,,,, hari bol

 

to simply represent the words shared by another gives them a rebirth.

 

the 'good' that supports life to continue lives longer

 

the 'bad' that may appear good but literally a 'loss to the common' based on the selfish tangent; will eventually all become extinct.

seems them last 2 posts share real wisdom....

 

thanks.... as I am always keeping my eyes open too

 

Every day, men see creatures depart to Yamaraja's abode and yet, those who remain seek to live forever. This verily is the greatest wonder.

 

So then the words of knowledge are still left as sought.

 

To recognize that life is not so much as this experience as the contributions we can leave (our wake) then ever lasting life is realized in what we do.

 

 

therefore, I propose that we replace her old and ancient education system, her culture, for if the Indians think that all that is foreign and English is good and greater than their own, they will lose their self-esteem, their native self-culture and they will become what we want them, a truly dominated nation.

 

Which contradicts the intent of "Srila Bhaktisiddhanta requested that Prabhupada spread the message of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu in the English language."

 

That greatest wonder of the world is simply to comprehend life.

 

Reforming the Reformer

 

"The course of the world does not require to be changed by the agency of any person."

Then what does the word ‘Prabhupada’ represent? Or basically what does the word mean?

 

Why were the words of Gaudiya Vaishnavism converted to English if nothing needed to be done?

 

If the ‘Holy name of Krshna (vishnu incarnate) is to be sung, then do 'people' begin the conveyance by choice? It seems that a defense opposing growth contradicts what others have done.

 

How about we use what you posted to define;

 

 

 

When we perceive any change being actually effected in the course of events of this world by the agency of any particular individual, we must know very well that the agent possesses no real power at any stage. The agent finds himself driven forward by a force belonging to a different category from himself.

So then if each man is equal and no man takes upon a choice; then no bowl is ever clean.

equality my friend; each make a choice.

In a world of living sentience, then in order for a Krishna conscious to exist, then each must be aware of the truth for each to be conscious of what existence (Vishnu) is. (a new-born cannot eat without guidance)

Since the faiths produce tangents; whether a branch of Hindu or Judaism; only one set of truth exists equally to all. (reality)

The pious of experience know that as of yet the last frame (avatar) is unrecognized equally among mankind, where the single word Krishna is known globally, the comprehension within all faces of Vishnu are still left unknown to the world.

To combine the faces of truth, granting equality to all mankind; Peace will exist!

Seems even as “name of Prabhupada, literally meaning "he who has taken the position of the Lord" has walked; Peace has not been realized universally;

 

there is work to do,

 

as to settle in on the heals and butt, is of self preservation.

 

Where to experience the conscious of Krshna, then the love of compassion and giving of the self for others; is innertly alive!

 

Looks like the ongoing debate Evolution vs Intelligent Design is clearly pro atheistic Evolution. When studying the internet you'll find tons of articles strongly against Intelligent Design - so that's the world we're living in, no need to preach, these people only understand lessons from the material energy.

 

Something like, ok, your religion is that everything ends below a gravestone, but isn't then all that you do right now an illusion?

 

The Evolution of the Intelligent Design Creationism Hoax

 

 

and what is it you are trying to say; you are converting to ID?

 

as for the ongoing debate with evolution and creation (religions) may be the area to address.

 

 

 

ok, your religion is that everything ends below a gravestone

Heck all choice ends each night when we go to sleep; what's the point. Same with death; no more experience of choice for that person.

 

Reality and nature shares that biology is physical science. And without folk taking biology classes in school then doctors would probable not have a clue on how to 'doctor' up folk.

 

If the idea is that; since others discount ID and evolution, that they have it correct as it is all spiritual; is like suggest JC is coming thru the clouds to rapture up a storm and forgive all them sins from everybody.

 

ID is not based on facts but a combination of faiths and physical descriptions but they are just as stubborn as any faith with an intent on maintaining a following (and a money group they have) and will retain complacency to be accepted. i.e... the 2nd law (entropy) is incorrect as 'life abuses entropy.'

 

my point was that neither team is 100% correct.

 

If you were aware of how the sciences represent 'energy' then for someone to suggest 'light' is the energy upon mass, then you would know a rebel is amongst the group.

 

This opinion is not about complacency to any sect, religion or science; all that is important is the truth.

 

SO if you have a question in biology for this thread, then ask as there are very few disciplines within the sciences that have not been observed and if you find or share a phenomenon that has not been addressed; then Thank you ahead of time, as you can bet, this "i" will be doing the homework!

 

Yes, we must, "understand the spiritual science to be non-sectarian and universal."

and in the most humble and compassion and person could ever wish to contribute..........

 

these words of wisdom by Beggar are pure in both true and compassion.

 

seems best to maybe ignor the old that wish not to develop for our future generations.

 

 

Yet this is no reason to launch a false campaign against members of ISKCON or any Math simply because they are participants in a particular association of devotees.

as to isolate the truth from your heart and the future of learning will bring a rebellion from your own children.

 

 

One must keep associtation with like-minded [sajatiya] friendly [snigdha] devotees in order to make advancement in devotional service.

the rule is compassion.

 

Even a Beggar may have the same gifts of compassion as any guru.

 

ie.. our local beggar has represented truth over any need of the self or preservation of a belief, just to remain accepted.

 

the best kind!

hence the truth exist absolute; as to be pure the nature of things must meet the nature of the spirit.

 

Seems even the teachers knew the difficulties of 'beliefs' as no belief has been perfected to existence.

 

 

 

 

Lend our ear to those persons who have very little to do with this world

 

 

 

The servitors of Godhead will always look to our interest. In this material world, our friends sometimes like us and sometimes they turn against us. But in sādhu-sanga there is an opportunity of hearing about our original home from the lips of persons who are quite familiar with the same.

With this means there is something to learn.

 

What would you like to know?

 

 

 

 

 

Change Our Mentality

 

 

If we neglect the opportunity we shall repent in the long run. Their words will lift us and change our mentality. All sorts of puzzling questions will be solved if only we lend our ear to those persons who have very little to do with this world.

Again, who is willing to hear?

 

 

 

 

this is understood as it seems the 'attitude' is the cause of not hearing.

 

in humility that arrogance is also within the 'i' of Understanding!

 

as maybe the arrogance of self still exists within the body of the living mind,

 

even in the failure of patience, knowledge is being learned.

 

So as many will see the words of truth and know them when observed, the identity of the truth will have no name until the time reveals itself.

 

So enjoy what good can be acheived and put on a seat belt as the experience is on the horizon.

 

Here is a perfect example of constrained (conditional) freedom.

Yes there should be honesty and straightforwardness - but without personal attack. The normal mudane rules of serious debate preclude personal attack in any case by identifying the fallacy of pseudo-reasoning called 'ad hominem' which goes

'so and so has a biased or bad character

therefore what

so and so says is false'.

 

a reading once shared the idea; 'if your brother is drunk, do you let him drive?'

 

this one is quite a question, in that 'no' I wish no others to be harmed from his action, but then again, 'who am I to judge?'.....

 

this is an age old one as it seems that unless each are equiped with the same "love" then an opinion to an action can be diversified.

 

Or more purely 'if the knowledge of truth is different, then peace could never exist universally'

 

Srila Sridhar Maharaja (Conversation 1982)

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Krishna consciousness is the cause of Krishna consciousness.

And we have to get help from the sadhu who has got Krishna

Consciousness within them.

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lit from another candle

Or simply a life is not born with comprehension.

 

Each must be given knowledge to understand; no candle produces light from within!

 

 

We are to awaken

our buried Krishna consciousness, which is covered by ‘anyabhilasa-karmma-jnana’ (fruit-seeking, selfish work, the result of the attempt

to satisfy material desires, both fleeting and ‘organized’; and the

search for philosophical/spiritual knowledge, devoid or independent of

devotional service.); so, that light, that association, will come to help

the sleeping Krishna Consciousness within us, and our consciousness

will arise from it’s sleep and show itself, as it is. So, the method is

 

to learn the truth withstanding all beliefs and the purpose of self satisfactions.

 

simply the integrity of each will be tested; follow what is true not what is believed to be true as that acceptance to be accepted is selfishness itself

 

“the universal spirit of the cosmos,” but the soul as it is usually spoken of, “an immaterial spirit that occupies individual brains and that only evolved in humans — all that is complete nonsense.” Belief in that kind of soul “is basically superstition,” he said.

 

I agree in the sense of 'unversal spirit of the cosmos' is a true.

 

In contrast that the idea of 'individual soul's occupying individual brains' is purely untrue. There is no isolation and it is the mind of memories that allows an individual to think they are isolated.

 

 

For scientists who are people of faith,

key words 'of faith"

 

 

like Kenneth R. Miller, a biologist at Brown University, asking about the science of the soul is pointless, in a way, because it is not a subject science can address. “It is not physical and investigateable in the world of science,” he said.

“Everything we know about the biological sciences says that life is a phenomenon of physics and chemistry, and therefore the notion of some sort of spirit to animate it and give the flesh a life really doesn’t fit with modern science,” said Dr. Miller, a Roman Catholic whose book, “Finding Darwin’s God” (Harper, 1999) explains his reconciliation of the theory of evolution with religious faith. “However, if you regard the soul as something else, as you might, say, the spiritual reflection of your individuality as a human being, then the theology of the soul it seems to me is on firm ground.”

 

I agree, current sciences are incorrect and any individuality is based on the mind of each and not reality.

 

What corrects both is the change the description of energy itself, then the answers simply reveal themselves.