Bishadi

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Memories are fixed within the Glial of the brain/nervous system; fact! Everything else is immediate and if set as predetermined; instinctive; to survive or compassionate; observant to the ‘total’ or ‘other than the self

These are real facts not misunderstood stories ….

That is not the full story.

How is it that we have certain ideas which are not conclusively derivable from our environments?

Until a setting of basics is gained your kid, my kid, every kid, would most probably perish …… in fact most on this globe would most probably perish without community …….. Can you deliver a baby? Make penicillin? Or even locate salt?

It follows that humans must be born with a universal innate grammar, which is determinate and has a highly organized directive component, and enables the language learner to ascertain and categorize language heard into a system.

We all have this ability but just like descriptions of the old prophetic visions, most have no idea how to communicate otherwise this game of ‘understanding’ and the continuous search, would have been over generations ago, my friend! The problem is the interpretations have been miscued and basically because of shortfalls in descriptive languages but be certain all of men have been on the same quest with the same sites but how to articulate, that has been a wee bit of a problem.

One implication of Noam Chomsky's innatism is that at least a part of human knowledge consists in cognitive predispositions, which are triggered and developed by the environment, but not determined by it.

“, which are triggered and developed by the environment, but not determined by it.”

Developed by or learned from the environment (teachings) “but not determined by it.” Exactly ……. “life the law breaker” and “consciousness is the ability to consider others before thy self.’ So we are capable to decide by other then the environment but our ‘environment’ is what helps us describe or measure. Please do not be fooled. What is being said is that we can chose other that what would be instinctive and that is because we are conscious of what could occur, either of good or of bad. We can know but it is clearly of our associations that we become aware of defining but as this knowledge becomes grounded then a responsibility become inert.

In other words, what you are describing is that wonderful gift we evolved within consciousness, not memories.

And be certain that ‘consciousness’ is both a gift and the curse. Neither Good or Evil has ever been known until ‘that’ became! It is when we became liberated and selfish. We were able to isolate ourselves and think we are someone special, all our defined ‘evils’ came from our selfishness but we are also conscious and why we can feel of another, know the ‘total’ and exist within this existence caring and nurturing for or prolonged continuance…. Ah .. we are of the ‘total.’ We are of one; God; some define but how to describe it?

From mmm

just wanna add sth-

where i live, people probably dont know much about the questions that i wrote up,

so i came here- some of my questions might be "stupid" for you, but i asked them and i think here is the place to get answers from "the first hand"

as i said-please: Yes/No

peace,

M.

First, asking questions is how we learn so please never feel as if your questions are stupid just be certain of the honesty when asking. You know this within. There is really no need to tell you this, my friend, correct?

You are who this is for, the truly caring, the ones who can make a difference, the generations to bring the peace we all seek. In a real sense, I live for you!

As for ‘the first hand’ ……… ‘You have asked, with a pure heart’ …..

You bumped into the truth, is it by chance, are you supposed to deal with an arrogant gorgeous stud muffin who has spend most of his life trying to answer a simple question, why am I alive? If so …. Take a seat

Not a Guru, a scientist, the pope or president can mess with the story that is true, it is both heard and applied or the listener is of selfish pursuits.

I ask any tell me when I lie but be sure the debate is real and not base from just “stories.”

None can deny once known and none can withstand responsibility once known.

And the funny part is, not one is without!

thanks for answers!

i must say that ive got problems with understanding english-

i like to read very simple sentences with simple words.

I think you understood the idea mentioned without being too far gone. At least I am not suggesting little blue men or Immaculate Conception.

is next sentence correct-

everything is energy.

energy is divided in two groups- one is para-prakrti, second is apara-prakrti.

If you were to split everything in half as far as you can go, yep … “everyting a wave dude.’

Like the rock thrown onto the pond ….. it continues with or without ‘you’ knowing it.

why cant i remember ahankara from "my previous body"- memoryes

Memories are what this body (you) experienced but yet once ‘felt’ the ‘total’ also knew. ( a conscious thought )

If you have children you will notice that every child has his/her own temperament.

Every child has their own likes and dislikes. They have natural tendencies.

Yet to understand how energy is affected by other energy upon other mass, then when a body is born within a time period or as currently suggested astrological ‘date,’ upon your conscious birth these can have effects to the born ‘personality.’

We remember our tendencies to be argumentative, gentle, greedy, sharing and so forth from our last lives, because these tendencies are a part of our nature. But the things you saw and did in the past lives - the events of your past life - they are not a part of YOU and they don't stay with you when you are reborn.

-murali

No ‘remembered’ anything. Memories are fixed within the Glial of the brain/nervous system; fact! Everything else is immediate and if set as predetermined; instinctive; to survive or compassionate; observant to the ‘total’ or ‘other than the self.’

It is why a baby can slap his lil’brother for a toy and the parents just says, ”don’t do that, play nice and treat him as you would like to be treated,’

Instinctively; that baby is surviving …. But to be correct we cannot survive without the brother and why compassion became increasingly important for life to continue; so the parent within conscious understanding knows to teach the babe to create the memories none are born with.

hi

 

 

can anyone help to get more information about ether.

 

would like to see what phisycist think about that.

 

 

ciao

Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 12.4.13

tata ekodakaḿ viśvaḿ

brahmāṇḍa-vivarāntaram

At that time, the shell of the universe will fill up with water, forming a single cosmic ocean.

Here is the ether that is being mentioned in physics; that all mass and energy are within an ether and hence the ‘waves’ of matter.

Spoken by a couple of the greats!! :>:>

But still misunderstood so let’s help out a bit.

That ether is ‘time.’ Solution; nothing can be measured without time. No define; no time! It is why ‘everything’ is as One: any descriptions; a time constraint.

Ask the master or Guru of choice this question; ‘is time is not measured, in reality?’

“My dear King Parīkṣit, these modes are further overtaken by the original unmanifest form of nature, impelled by time. That unmanifest nature is not subject to the six kinds of transformation caused by the influence of time. Rather, it has no beginning and no end. It is the unmanifest, eternal and infallible cause of creation.”

Although interpretations will vary please trust me and ask something of substance but please I am agreeing with the guru just with ‘understanding’ within the final framework of knowledge.

I was watching a documentary on the science channel a few days ago entitled 'Most of our universe is missing'. ……………..The scientists then came up with the theory of dark matter, matter that pervades the universe that provides the gravity necessary to keep the stars and planets and moons in their orbits. Otherwise, the entire universe would just fly apart.

………………………….

There are other theories and some scientists disagree with the theory of dark matter but it makes sense to me and fits in with the vedas and the idea of the fifth element, akash.

No Dark Matter or this so called Dark Energy……. Do not exist. One problem is Planck’s constant, not so much ffice:smarttags" /><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com<st1:City><st1:place>Newton</st1:place></st1:City> laws of classical motion, until full scales or even entropy and life are to be observed.

At even the molecular level the energy upon the mass is not taken into account. Energy upon mass associates; spectrum and properties have not finished and/or equated within theorem.

All mass associated or ask the Guru; ‘ is all mass associated?’ Or read in any language…

But I like to add a twist, for example; discussion can cause difference of mass momentum.

Associations of mass must be in regard to life; life; ‘the law breaker of entropy.’ This is the concept lost in physics and the medical sciences. Whereas all change is said to increase entropy but when energy associates upon mass, entropy can be slowed and even cause a reversal within causality.

Like growing grain, measure what you sow by how good the choice of soil. In all cases of growth, if the association is good for quality growth of the ‘total’ it will remain and continue, if not it will wither and go extinct laying foundations for the next within the confines of the suffering or quality generations.

This will share the same question; has there ever been scientific acknowledgement of how energy associates by the properties of the energy itself within a cosmic observation? In chemistry do neighborhood molecules become a part of the equation in metabolic processes?

For example; phospholipid bilayers are thought to associate by a chemical property of ‘water and oil’ hydrophobic and whatever, when it is actually the resonance of the energy upon the structure that causes alignment, association and repelling.

The ‘fire of water’; diatomic reactions of h2 and O2 offers an energy release that is one of the best friends of life. So it can be easily recognized it is not the element but the energy that is the intent of the association.

Imagine that, I could ‘maybe’ suggest that is why you are reading this.

We don't remember our past lives because...

Memories do not convey. Period! Anything else is just being able to know the singularity or tap into the total of existance. We all can and what 'spiritual' theologies try and teach us; knowing God (the total).

The idea that your glial (what actually hold memories within the neural networks) carries an imprinted amount of memories to be reborne into another life is like Jesus walking on water.

LOL yeah right!

So let it be seen right here; A nut comes on this site suggests a path that makes sense. Entertains the people on the site and this is the response he gets.

>>> God is of everything and yet some sects suggests he is a thing or separate entity other then within our fiber or within the 'everything' of our existance.<<<

 

Some suggest both. Simultaneous oneness and difference or acintya bhedabeda tattva. Investigate this angle and don't be so quick to dismiss others thoughts as a "crock".

Sir, unfortunately you must have come into the conversation late or have not read of the variant sects I honor, (all of them), I have more variant theological sects understood and under my realm of understanding then most libraries.

The fact is God (the total) has been represented in more ways then most know even exists but the fact is there is only one way to know God personally and physically.

All the renditions are because we are weak and needs assurances, as a species.

Do you want facts for the crock pot or are you going to tell me how it is also? Otherwise I like meat and potatoes in my stew as they are nourishing and offers structural support for the body.

But if you like ficticious meat and dreamed up food, then float your boat in the sea of the unknown, your not who I am working for, it is them .....

tomorrows generations is what this work is for!

You are talking on the platform which has got nothing to do with spirituality. Spirituality aint money making or stomoch feeding business. What ever one does , WHATEVER , has got both good and bad reactions adhered to it, coz its material even helping or serving some poor for eg....I am not saying one shouldnt help some one... But thats simply MORALITY, (that might make a millionare in the lifes to come, but remember u still got to sustain the pain during birth and death) its not spirituality.... Spirituality is coming out of both good and bad (coming out of the cycle of births and deaths), you see TRANSCENDETAL..Coming out of meterial joy and sorrow is spirituality....

This whole ‘platform’ has everything to do with spirituality. Just not your way and business and true care for people, don’t mix real well and why I retired before I opened up this can of worms.

The only Good and Bad you will ever feel, know (for fact) or see, will be in the flesh and in this life you are standing in, the rest is conjecture, in all cases!

I am not blaming you for anything, its coz you have not relished the higher taste, you are still wondering around with the lower taste, just like a kupa manduka ( a frog in the well) no offence<?xml:namespace prefix = v ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" /><v:shapetype id=_x0000_t75 stroked="f" filled="f" path="m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" o:preferrelative="t" o:spt="75" coordsize="21600,21600"> <v:stroke joinstyle="miter"></v:stroke><v:formulas><v:f eqn="if lineDrawn pixelLineWidth 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @0 1 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum 0 0 @1"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @2 1 2"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelWidth"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelHeight"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @0 0 1"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @6 1 2"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelWidth"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @8 21600 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelHeight"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @10 21600 0"></v:f></v:formulas><v:path o:connecttype="rect" gradientshapeok="t" o:extrusionok="f"></v:path><o:lock aspectratio="t" v:ext="edit"></o:lock></v:shapetype><v:shape id=_x0000_i1025 style="WIDTH: 12pt; HEIGHT: 12pt" alt="" type="#_x0000_t75"><v:imagedata o:href="http://www.audarya-fellowship.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif" src="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\TODDBI~1\LOCALS~1\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip_image001.gif"></v:imagedata></v:shape>....

and I say that once man realizes ‘how’ they exist and teach the children ‘correctly’ so they will have the questions ‘everyone’ on this globes continues to ask, known, within this physical existence, that will also vindicate the old stories,

will be the single most important advancement and set of understanding ever, that will bring responsibility and compassion to each member granting the proper setting, ‘heaven on earth’ is within this framework…..

and your telling me what?

Why not ask how and apply some reasoning rather then tell me anything about how this ‘frog” got stuck in the well. I least I have water and will survive, your still on the moon with some blue guys with a bunch of ‘different’ names, singing to make yourself feel good.

Its good to give a spoon of sugar to a child , coz its sweet, but remeber the names of the Lord can even more be relishable,,,, give that to the child and it will remember it forever..

I can still put on lots of stuff here, but I don deserve to do that, you see me too still a neophyte, struggling to control over senses.. so i don think it would be wise for me to preach things which i don practice......

The whole universe is inside you.. its waiting , and waiting for you to give a glimpse......

Belive me the nowadays science will go further to much higher height in coming times, but still it will miss the real essence.......

Glad you’re here telling us how it is!

My hero! R u the almighty salami. !!!

Debating??? I haven't the slightest idea who you are let alone that we were debating. You are a fighter without an opponent. A shadow boxer who thought his shadow was someone else.

Wow! And people wonder why it is taking so long for to coming out party.

Who could not understand this?

Try it this way; either you live within the good of Love and caring to support life, or you are too selfish with individual needs and perish never planting a good seed; extinct!

Given proof of God, would a materialist know how to read it?

 

by Hridayananda Dasa Goswami

 

“Can you prove the existence of God?” Proof indicates a conclusive demonstration that establishes the validity of an assertion, in this case the assertion that God exists.

 

For example, suppose an apple tree is growing outside your window. One morning you hear a sound like that of an apple hitting the ground, and when you look outside you see a ripe apple lying beneath the tree. Logically, you conclude, the apple has just fallen from the tree.

Your logical statement rests on your previous observation that the apple tree produces apples, that the apples fall to the ground, and that they make a certain sound when this occurs. And your statement appears logical to those with similar experience.

 

 

So we apply logic in terms of our experience.

 

Therefore, how can we expect to make God logical to a person who has had no spiritual experience?

This has to be the biggest article of crock any could use as proof of God I have ever seen.

The apple tree is tangible and the fruit can be held.

God is of everything and yet some sects suggests he is a thing or separate entity other then within our fiber or within the 'everything' of our existance.

As Sirla Prabhupada states in one of his purport to Bhagavad Gita:-

"Book Knowladge without realization of the Supreme Truth is useless."

Goofs can read about all the "blue" Gods they want and even chant up the perfect tone but ladies and gentlemen, before you will ever know God, you must give up the selfish pursuits to be accepted.

Believing does not mean repeating a script or line of faith, it means becoming a part of the truth; life.

There is no separation.

hare krishna !

when ever i am hurt by people's bad attitude towards me....i ponder over a question....how to be uneffected by others attitude towards us?

i don't hate, i don't argue, i don't want revenge, but i feel sad for those harsh words and rude behavior thrown upon me by the people i care..... i want to achieve a state in which i can be immune to these emotions.

can any one on this spiritual abode help me how to achive it?

i shall be very greatful to u all.

thanks

-s.

You are on the right track since you never want to 'not' feel.

What a beautiful person to write such a thing, .."but i feel sad for those harsh words and rude behavior thrown upon me by the people i care......"

Good People!

When this sense of humility is alive, the ongoing 'pain' will be felt until each feel the compassion and care for others as you do.

Your one, I am trying, that's one and a half, .... any more volunteers?

Think to yourself:

 

"I'm rubber and you're glue: anything you say bounces off of me and sticks to you." or "Twinkle twinkle little star, what YOU say is what YOU are."

 

 

Then that pretty much puts everything back into the proper perspective.

Who are this Guest, invite him/her over for tea!!!!

Bishadi

There are two very different views that devotees hold. One is that Srila Prabhupada teaching and presentations are enough in themselves and no one need expand them and that expansion is somehow a watering down, and the other opposite view that Srila Prabhupada wanted to inspire others to use whatever talents and knowledge they possessed to their limit in the service of Krsna and in this there is really no end to the expansion of consciousness of Krsna.

 

The poet is encourage to write his poems and in them reveal Krsna. The leaders of society and policeman are encouraged to protect society in it moe towards Godhead. Children are encouraged to play Krsna games and the scientists are encouraged see Krsna through their specific endeavors.

 

The war is not devotees against science it is theistic science vs. atheistic science.

Then why are we debating. I was never a theistic or non believer, ever. The problem is I keep getting pigeon holed because I cannot believe as you do but there is not one item said that is incorrect!

Theologies are such the creators of bigots!

.......we choose to, either some type of direct pure spiritual love or we can experience Him indirectly in the material world while undergoing the process of birth and death old age and disease.

 

We need to make the intelligent choice between the two.

Try it this way; either you live within the good of Love and caring to support life, or you are too selfish with individual needs and perish never planting a good seed; extinct!

Nice idea you mentioned but you missed what it meant.

You are trying to bind the science or so called one with the spiritualuty.

Not for any gain. Just think if the sciences knew how it worked maybe some of the ailments such as cancer and diabetes may be addressed. As for the spiritual side well most have been telling us the same thing all along. In both scenarios the ‘specimen’ is isolated versus recognized as an intricate part of the total.

Indeed there are so many so called gurus in ffice:smarttags" /><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com

So a mason must build the mighty bridge with the bricks of the many fathers.

 

The elders cannot maintain responsibility nor teach the pure story. I wonder why?

So you believe your work does nothing for anyone other then your back pocket. Are you building things that destroy? If so quit.

If you are researching quality items then earn that living, do it with your best effort. Give what you would expect and be happy you are a cog to complete a finished product.

Negation thinking is mayavad. The wise never advise people tocease action but to work in the spirit of devotion. And that work springs from the inherited natures that people have acquired under the three modes of material nature. A sientist need not stop being a scientist but rather he should realize and present Krsna to others through that science. Karma yoga -action in Krsna consciousness.

The envious will never see Krsna as Krsna rather we are "believers" or not. Most of us here are proof of that. I am certainly in that category. Kamsa's arena is another example. Krsna is right before us now but do we see Him?

Do you think everyone that has been handed a book is now a devotee? How about spreading the knowledge contained in those books. It is the knowledge in the books that sets one free. To think that knowledge cannot be present from one scientist to another in their own language is a mistake. Why did Srila Prabhupada encourage Svarupa Damodhara Maharaja to preach as a scientist if this is not the case.

Because he knew the truth was coming in the form of the sciences being properly described reavealing God in effect as once you know the sciences of how we exists, God is staring you right in the face.

AND the fact is only will the sciences break the barriers of the globes theologies that have created walls too high to climb.

In the Vedic pantheon there are many gods.

He is the summum bonum from which all things emanate.

The sciences ...

one and one and one is 3, ..... got to be a joker he just do as he please,

come together .... right now .... over me!

Srila Prabhupada explains in the introduction to Srimad Bhagavatam that actually the concept of God and the concept of the Absolute Truth are different.

 

The conception of God and the conception of Absolute Truth are not on the same level. The Srimad-Bhagavatam hits on the target of the Absolute Truth. The conception of God indicates the controller, whereas the conception of the Absolute Truth indicates the summum bonum or the ultimate source of all energies

 

 

So, there is no shastra that I know of that proclaims Shiva or any other god as the Absolute Truth.

The commentary on the Vedanta Sutra by the same author Vyasadeva explains in Srimad Bhagavatam that Krishna is the Absolute Truth.

'whereas the conception of the Absolute Truth indicates the summum bonum or the ultimate source of all energies'

The sciences and theology will be married, get over it!

I believe his arguments will be more acceptable to the dialouge with the people in question vs. the standard "this knowledge comes in disciplic succession from Lord Brahma therefore you should accept it" approach that some prefer.

 

Srila Prabhupada wanted Krsna consciousness presented as science even more than a religon process as I understand it.

Imagine that!

Believing with physical application versus just being told too!

Who would ever say that besides a real humble person?

Do the faithful?

Brother our passion is what makes for good honest debate. Words are not to harm anyone but how they are understood begets the feelings. Do you ever cry in a play or stage act? Please be honest with yourself and nothing you ever read from me will hurt.

Look for purpose as if a bird was chirping in the tree. Look for the beauty of the cockroach; note the skill of its survival and not the fallacy taught by the exterminator.

Or clearly said: see what is, versus what man believes.

perhaps I am not able to read your mind... I dunno, neverthless I continue let see where it ends....

Goodness is always congenial

No, I am not married yet so have no experience with that. But even now in many places deliveries take palce without the so called immunisation or whatsoever. They use the traditional techniques.. Trust this science was forced upon in the begining to make it a necessity, otherwise if poeple lived before without it, whay cant they now? Now you answer this question

So in answering the truth; many of mans works must be understood.

IN answering the illnesses; we need the medicine of the brethren to combat the diseases shared of the variant lands.

That which cant be cut by sword, cant be burnt by the fire, can never be withred by the wind or cant be wet by the water is what you are, the Soul...

Yo …. But … that is not going to cross the boarders. It is where physics will. This is my story.

To combine the 2. Vindicate the past (guru/prophets) and offer a described future for every single person to understand. There is no debate, there is only one way it all works.

Nobody takes American culture to get peace

So to have persons with every choice that can be possessed, one day someone who cares not of himself but of others can be born; to live only under the eyes of knowing able only to learn for the total, having the ills ever present to learn from, to be just as a part of both Love and Hate during the course of life, but chooses to share the ground covered with the next generations, so that the straight path is easy to find.

To lay concrete down for tomorrow that cannot be chipped away ever again.

Please if I lie, slap me, if I help, please believe, as I could never harm all I am doing is still learning while dropping bricks all the while seeking masons to help build a road.

Friends I assure you, just trust a weee little bit. Ask me anything you like as they are things others may want to know, AND I LEARN WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK “understanding.”

Hare Krishna!

Gauravani has nicely put, difference God and the Supreme absolute truth-Krishna.

<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comKrishna</SPAN></st1:place> is the Absolute Truth and the source of all there is.

Srila Prabhupada explains in the introduction to Srimad Bhagavatam that actually the concept of God and the concept of the Absolute Truth are different.

 

 

 

So, there is no shastra that I know of that proclaims Shiva or any other god as the Absolute Truth.

The commentary on the Vedanta Sutra by the same author Vyasadeva explains in Srimad Bhagavatam that Krishna is the Absolute Truth.

The conception of God and the conception of Absolute Truth are not on the same level. The Srimad-Bhagavatam hits on the target of the Absolute Truth. The conception of God indicates the controller, whereas the conception of the Absolute Truth indicates the summum bonum or the ultimate source of all energies

You read that wrong. There is no pure conception of God without the Absolute Truth.

Because Srila knew there is no controller but a sum of the total; GOD!

Hard to conceptualize isn't it? But like most real prophets, they know but how to convey is the art and since NO man has brought both the sciences and theology together in real physical application.

The truth is not yet revealed, well a least to the open public just yet!

Just wait or just ask, that is your choice!

God is the total and all the emotions man has created are felt only in the flesh. Our consciousness is that window and where we can know the total (God) as we stand but never ever think God is some person on some thrown who is that Love you feel.

Love is by that ‘freedom of choice’ we have been blessed with and only in the flesh do we comprehend this.

We are ignorant when we think a single sect will offer the path to know. If this was so then the world would not be turning as it does with the foulness we see.

The true answers to knowing ‘life’ and why we exist WILL COME FROM THE COMBINING FRAMEWORK of the sciences and theology.

Our forefathers wrote of the truth but man has not understood and only by honoring all of the children of the total did a full framework become known.

So it is as what was written and the sciences will give the foundations to vindicate both our forefathers and the physical applicability to know GOD!

We are of that singularity. We are of choice to Love and know love. We are the eyes of God within this existence. We are of God, know him personally and quit trying to separate from him.

The truth is coming and although the author of the paper quoted does not represent a pure understanding, the fact is that the truth is here and it will complete the picture whereas the sciences and theology will be of one and the total of this species will know God as He truly is.

You jumped to conclusion without actally knowing what existed 10K years back didnt you?

Now you can see how MY forefathers lived life without in need of toothplaste to brush their teeth.

Open your mind, let the thoughts come in and only then would there be a logical argument

Simplicity is another name of the God...

Mind which is taken over by the so called science....

I stand with 2 feet on the ground.

I dun need to search your name in anything whatsoever. I see the passion in you, and that is not congenial for spriritual realisation (if you are interested ). You have to be in the mode of goodness

I can agree I may not fit a mold, that is possible to a given circle (like most circles on the globe) and I know I can be as a bull in a china cabinet but the scars across my back show a life able to observe from many points of view. As for goodness, please slap me when I am mean, I deserve it. Tell me a time I was. But I sleep very well and not because of calluses but because the life is lived always with the total in mind; living with reckless abandonment.

Passion is a gift, enjoy the feelings that we can know. Who said, ‘be an introvert?’ Balance has nothing to do with not laughing or experiencing, that; is another line.

What works? which forefathers

if you are talking about those scientists, then i would say the works which gave nothing but destruction and an extra amount of material comfort.

you would ever go near the absoulte truth, Coz absoulte truth is completely spiritual. Completely teranscendental from the material

Did the complete truth teach you how to do dental work?

You said it: [show me one book ever in the existence of any period on this globe where God wrote something! Ever]

Read Srimad Bhagavadgita, Written by Lord Sri Krishna, I bet you will know once you read it

The rest just tells me I need to think the way you suggest which is basically from another Guru’s point of view. No!

I will try and be clear.

How many Guru’s on the planet? How many people? Look at the ratio. Then note why.

How will all the people of the globe know what the Guru knows? The physical world has always been with the spiritual but men have misinterpreted what is being presented on both fronts. The sciences will share how we exist and theology has been telling us throughout the world an almost exact framework.

The real debate between the 2 is what has been answered. That is it!

I know we evolved and God, and can prove both, ‘bout you? The end is not in 2012, maybe a bunch of fireworks but just think if someone would listen maybe responsibility can begin.

You should ask what you feel you need to know.

I am going to interupt on this.

If a life is purposed to acheive the highest state of living, 'growth towards evolving'. And it is a fact that our physical body is made of a huge organization of living things all assembled to sustain this 'life' geared to accept the sustainance of the evolved species, then the thought would return that the total, (God) measured it this way.

Just because our personal compassion offers refraining from consumptions, the process of thought is good but the absolute neccessity for the quality of functioning processes that enable each step is a part of the required path.

Be thankful and be knowing that there is purpose for the beasts and there evolution just the same, the path is shown both in the beasts and man, as we are of the same fabric which needs the other as we are of the same total but consciousness is the achievement of the total to be acknowledged.