Bishadi

 

Hats off cBrahma.

 

for sharing that the previous teachers reprsentations could not be complete!

 

That is would be impossible!

 

 

When truth resonates clearly we can feel it. I felt it. WOW! What wise and well stated words.

 

 

That knowledge is evolving; we must be honest for the 'good' of life and our children, the future.

 

So a simple question is; are we in the best possible state of existence to offer the maximum amount of data, evidence and words, than ever before in all history?

 

Do you think we as people, within this existence (the total) should be taking off all banners of complacency; to learn and perpare our children, our future, for the new beginning; the truth?

 

Very eloquent. If evolution is a vedic idea then why are hare krishnas criticizing it? For prabhupdas problem is that it was stolen from india and not about its correctness.

 

Hare Krishnas form the most confused religious group I have ever known.

 

The thread has many tangents each based in personal opinions; at least a few contribute their thoughts versus having to suggest an old teaching; created the term 'evolution', which common sense makes that opinion reveal a selfish approach, based on pride, rather than truth.

 

To echo a teachers response unquestioned is opposing Godhead (integrity).

 

Be honest; many teachers all over the globe had recognized the truth that life is upon mass, as well that light is that very energy (life) upon that mass but who has the words to convey this truth, absolute without having to rely on magic?

 

evolution is a word that has a definition. It was a created form of letters to assist in defining a process observed in nature.

 

For a person to read the book and how the conclusion were derived, then he could best understand what Darwin meant but then there are conflicting material such as what the teacher shared in the quote provided. Apparently the teacher had no clue what was commited to the work and the humility of conveyance, Darwin shared in his book(s).

 

So here we have a real dilema; does the teacher walk on water or not?

 

Nice to be human, isn't it?

 

Words are created to describe experiences. Darwin experienced the process of the progression of life governed by its environment and defined a term called evolution.

 

such that what you learn today may affect what you do tomorrow.

 

Same with any living process.

 

And the last item to observe; do we believe in what nature reveals, unblemished by the hand of mankind...

 

or....

 

do we believe in magic and that representation by misunderstanding or simply because of not comprehending what is occurring and to 'create' the idea that an omnipotent being (undescribable) magically created all these things we see and experience; just for fun?

 

What a sense of humor!

 

Darwin didn't really invent Darwinism. That is something that was spun off of his theory of the origin of the species.

Perhaps by creationist?

 

 

 

The conclusions that all life comes from matter, really wasn't exactly his. His idea was the evolution of the species, not the evolution of individuals.

Good bet

 

 

So all life forms evolved - from so-called lower life forms, unicellular probalby marine organisms.

such as a community; if the collective association benefits the 'life to continue' an evolved association develops.

 

Ever notice how birds clean tics from the various beast? Or how bees, pollinate the flowers; the association 'evolved'

 

 

The evidence for this is flimsy at best. The big hole is the lack of transitional forms.

But what makes the most sense in reasoning and comprehensive understanding:

 

creation or evolution?

 

Do we look at dinosaur bones and simply believe God put them in the ground to employ people?

 

Below it says, Darwin stole parts of his theory from the Vedas and combined it with his speculation. Because his theory contains parts of vedic knowledge people became bewildered and declared Darwinism as science.

First the only thing your thread and quotes do is call more question to the integrity of how much people really know.

 

Darwin spent the better part of his years traveling and collecting data. His book was not published until he was well aged as anyone of the time knew it was quite political to offer material that could contradict theological beliefs.

 

The summary was simply to share that a 'process' was involved in which an environment affects the development of species.

 

Just the same as knowledge evolves.

 

Darwin was a contributor of knowledge just as any other person who does for the benefit of tomorrow.

 

The man described a process; he did not create it.

 

 

Charles Darwin's views on religion have been the subject of much interest. His work was pivotal in the development of evolution theory.

Charles Darwin had a non-conformist background, but attended a Church of England school. He studied Anglican theology with the aim of becoming a clergyman, before joining the Voyage of the Beagle. On return, he developed his theory of natural selection in full awareness that it conflicted with the teleological argument. Darwin deliberated about the Christian meaning of mortality and came to think that the religious instinct had evolved with society. With the death of his daughter Annie, Darwin lost all faith in a beneficent God and saw Christianity as futile. He continued to give support to the local church and help with parish work, but on Sundays would go for a walk while his family attended church. However, at the time of writing On the Origin of Species he remained a theist, convinced of the existence of God as a First Cause.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-0>[1]</SUP>

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In his later life, Darwin was frequently asked about his religious views. He went as far as saying that "Science has nothing to do with Christ, except insofar as the habit of scientific research makes a man cautious in admitting evidence. For myself, I do not believe that there ever has been any revelation. As for a future life, every man must judge for himself between conflicting vague probabilities."

 

 

the man was a God fearing person but cared more for the contribution to knowledge than his own recognition;

 

a saint in my book!

maybe if you looked up the story; you could share a summary for others to observe

 

perhaps if you have no intent

 

or r u in the 'convincing' business?

 

Narada was telling a story about King Puranjana. Covers quite a bit but the term in question combined with the summary at the end was interesting and the thread was to inquiry on the others perspectives.

 

sharing is always good if between the combining 'minds' a quality set of understanding can be reached

 

so to convince me my friend think of them missouri folk 'show me'

 

share something each person can appreciate that offers peace to thoughts...

 

and remember, if magic or omnipotence is requisite, then you already know it is false; so save it for thought in the stead of imposing a fib to existence.

 

No book is without its errors.

 

Perfectly stated!

 

 

God's revelation is absolute truth, but it is scarcely received and preserved in its natural purity.

So the rules must comply with nature. Perfect!

 

 

We have been advised in the 14th Chapter of 11th Skandha of the Bhagavata to believe that truth when revealed is absolute, but it gets the tincture of the nature of the receiver in course of time and is converted into error by continual exchange of hands from age to age. New revelations, therefore, are continually necessary in order to keep truth in its original purity. We are thus warned to be careful in our studies of old authors, however wise they are reputed to be.

 

Here we have full liberty to reject the wrong idea, which is not sanctioned by the peace of conscience. Vyasa was not satisfied with what he collected in the Vedas, arranged in the Puranas and composed in the Mahabharata. The peace of his conscience did not sanction his labors. It told him from within, "No, Vyasa! You cannot rest contented with the erroneous picture of truth which was necessarily presented to you by the sages of bygone days. You must yourself knock at the door of the inexhaustible store of truth from which the former ages drew their wealth. Go, go up to the fountainhead of truth, where no pilgrim meets with disappointment of any kind." Vyasa did it and obtained what he wanted. We have been all advised to do so.

Liberty then is the principle which we must consider as the most valuable gift of God. We must not allow ourselves to be led by those who lived and thought before us. We must think for ourselves and try to get further truths which are still undiscovered. In the Bhagavata we have been advised to take the spirit of the Shastras and not the words. The Bhagavata is therefore a religion of liberty, unmixed truth and absolute love."

 

Now that is Godhead.

 

Thank you as this gift offers another set of learning (another guru) to read up on! when truth 'lives' in such pure honesty; it transcends!

 

very, very relevant!

 

then why this line about the responsibility of diksha:

 

"at least in case of Vaishnava diksha, as per Hari Bhakti Vilasa 1.70:

 

raji catmatyaja dosah patni-papam sva-bhartari

tatha sisyartjitam papam guruh prapnoti niscita

 

"The faults of the counselor fall on the king, and the sins of a wife fall on her husband. In the same way a spiritual master attains the sins of his disciple. That is certain."

 

 

so as them lines above share how foolish these responsibilities are; this diksha suggests the exact opposite

 

as well to see how bhakti is conveyed by acharya; again shares a conflict of responsibility.....

 

Or simply be real careful with the twists of faith

 

When a requisite is maintained to answer in faith rather than comprehension; that guru be just another rascal!

The term of 'unknown' or the 'unknown one' as Narada shares as a friend of King Puranjana, Avijnada;

 

Is this something to further discuss here?

Who is the teacher of compassion? Alive to meet a brother of Peace?

 

This is a call.

 

Self is gone; the meeting to begin the assembly is felt but undescribable

 

in 66' a teacher came to the southern california coast; the same location (approximately) of a birth; even the same year; same cause

 

maybe there was a reason!?!?

 

Yes, I apollogize to

To existence.... not the person as nothing was taken 'personal' but to existence, the imposition lives.

 

None are perfect brother as it seems someone thinks we are One; that is a compliment to me as you have an ability to ask for that forgiveness.

 

 

yours in Krishna's devotional service,

Bhaktajan

May brothers live in Peace forever!

 

To your children and fathers (beginning and ending); All love and compassion!

 

Are we not all encouraged to be like the honey-bee that is constantly looking for the nectar in the field of wild flowers and NOT be like the house-fly that always looks for the stool in the dirty place???

 

then the contradiction

 

 

Only when you drink from the river of silence shall you indeed sing.

 

Observance to truth and observance to beliefs are what cause the divisions.

 

Beliefs must continually produce manifestations to describe with; truth lives in absolution.

 

representations that become contradictions, come from the pursuit of the self; seeing them is of the human experience.

 

Comprehending them is Godhead; honesty!

 

"The case is different with those few lucky ones who have an exclusively firm faith in Krsna's holy name; they take, by unbounded grace of Krsna, shelter at the feet of such a spiritual guide who is an ontologist of the holy name, i.e., who has realized and does see the svarüpa (form) of the holy name. Concerning the need for such a preceptor, Sri Mahäprabhu says that though formal initiation may not be necessary, still a guide is essential in näma-bhajana. The mere letters of the holy name may be had at any place and from anybody, but the profound and unknown truth that is lurking behind those letters can only be exposed by the grace of a true preceptor who is purely devoted to Krsna. The grace of the spiritual guide alone can pass over from the early twilight from the ten offenses hindering the true service of the holy name." -Bhaktivinoda Thakur from the Hari nama cintamani

this stands out ‘Sri Mahäprabhu says that though formal initiation may not be necessary,’

Yet the question is easy; since all words define each experience and name the event to be conveyed. Then each word is of the ‘name’ of Krsna (per se) or better still. Each word describes an experience within Brahman/Vishnu.

Then to assemble the many definitions, understanding is born (realized).

So then read this line again;

 

The mere letters of the holy name may be had at any place and from anybody, but the profound and unknown truth that is lurking behind those letters can only be exposed by the grace of a true preceptor who is purely devoted to Krsna

and how many ‘letters’ are there in this universe?

And to combine them all would be impossible; but in devotion; much can be understood in consciousness (mind) and eventually what would happen? A choice would be made that will be able to convey the ‘name of God.’ Into a summary of few words born of many within the experience we share of Godhead.

 

Let's face it : when it comes to living a comfortable material life, I'm just a loser. Why has Krsna set me up like this? Does it make it easier for developing pure bhakti unto His lotus feet?

 

Seems these are old question.

 

Perhaps unasnwered?

 

The answer is predeterminations.

 

To maintain predetermined ideas as to what an experience is to be, rather than observe each as they are and look for the idea to be learned; then a sort of 'hell' encompasses the 'isolation' of the self.

 

each 'set up' their own existence

 

"The Bhagavata teaches us that God gives us truth as He gave it to Vyasa: when we earnestly seek for it.

So in all form, the intent to seek further is the purport of good. Especially as

Truth is eternal and unexhausted. The soul receives a revelation when anxious for it.

So are you hungry or content?

 

God's revelation is absolute truth, but it is scarcely received and preserved in its natural purity.

Hence the parables and trouble in defining into the words of each period.

 

We have been advised in the 14th Chapter of 11th Skandha of the Bhagavata to believe that truth when revealed is absolute, but it gets the tincture of the nature of the receiver in course of time and is converted into error by continual exchange of hands from age to age. New revelations, therefore, are continually necessary in order to keep truth in its original purity. We are thus warned to be careful in our studies of old authors, however wise they are reputed to be.

So advice is given, and to know both that the words of the elders, in writing, can be misinterpreted. Such that an acarya (teacher) can assist in maintaining pure comprehension? Makes sense but then often the students can define the parables with the additional knowledge summarized over the generations; for example; the Upanishads and original vedas as they evolved into the Chaitanya’s and then Srila Prabhupada’s works (interpretations). This is a natural progression within Brahman (the evolution of knowledge), in time. Still not isolated from the total, nor without the interrelation (compassion) to existence.

 

Here we have full liberty to reject the wrong idea, which is not sanctioned by the peace of conscience. Vyasa was not satisfied with what he collected in the Vedas, arranged in the Puranas and composed in the Mahabharata. The peace of his conscience did not sanction his labors. It told him from within, "No, Vyasa! You cannot rest contented with the erroneous picture of truth which was necessarily presented to you by the sages of bygone days. You must yourself knock at the door of the inexhaustible store of truth from which the former ages drew their wealth. Go, go up to the fountainhead of truth, where no pilgrim meets with disappointment of any kind." Vyasa did it and obtained what he wanted. We have been all advised to do so.

<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City><st1:place>Liberty</st1:place></st1:City> then is the principle which we must consider as the most valuable gift of God. We must not allow ourselves to be led by those who lived and thought before us. We must think for ourselves and try to get further truths which are still undiscovered. In the Bhagavata we have been advised to take the spirit of the Shastras and not the words. The Bhagavata is therefore a religion of liberty, unmixed truth and absolute love."

And since we know Brahman/Vishnu is timeless and without limit in the compassion of life; then all faces of man are of the truth within. Each have written truths and conveyed knowledge.

To ‘go out’ into the world of Brahman and seek the truth’s unanswered in the knowledge of the fathers, is the duty and in doing so; absolute Love!

interesting

 

This is not our home. This material world, this is foreign country. We are... Just like I am travelling all over the world. My home is in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:country-region><st1:place>India</st1:place></st1:country-region>, but I am going to so many countries, <st1:place>Europe</st1:place>, <st1:country-region><st1:place>America</st1:place></st1:country-region>, <st1:country-region><st1:place>Canada</st1:place></st1:country-region>, <st1:country-region><st1:place>Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region>, <st1:place>Africa</st1:place>... But my home is in <st1:country-region><st1:place>India</st1:place></st1:country-region>. This is a crude example. Similarly, we are all part and parcel of Krsna. Mamaivamso jiva-bhutah [bg. 15.7]. Krsna says. "All these living entities, they are My part and parcel."

Makes sense; we are all of the total (existence).

 

So Krsna is sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah [bs. 5.1]. Krsna, His body is not material body. Those who are thinking Krsna's body as material, they are called Mayavadis. But actually, Krsna's body is not material. The evidence is that Krsna knows past, present and future.

This is like assuming the born person is Brahman or Vishnu as a speaking soul (material).

 

In the material body that is not possible. Just like I had my previous body in my previous birth, but I don't remember. If somebody asks me, "What you were in your previous life?" it is very difficult. Because death means forgetfulness.

So no soul with memories is reincarnated. Good. Just as the disease Alzheimers provides physical knowledge to comprehend this truth; memories of mind are affixed to the body.

 

Yantrarudhani mayaya. Isvara, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is situated in everyone's heart.

Compassion/ entanglement to existence.

 

And He is giving us the facilities for material enjoyment. Because we have come here, we have come in this, in the material world, for sense enjoyment.

This is self explanatory and can be found quite true; ‘our sense experience so we can observe for definition; to convey.’

 

So this is the problem of life, and in the human form of life there is chance of understanding what is the problem of life. The problem is that "I am eternal spirit soul. Aham brahmasmi. I am not this body." That, that is called knowledge.

The truth is apparent but the knowledge to comprehend ‘the truth’; is called knowledge.

 

Bhaya means fearfulness. So the fearfulness must be there. Because we accepted this material body, there must be always, we must be always afraid.

I disagree….. as suffering is self imposed. Such to stand in the fire, in knowledge; have no fear of life.

 

Mad-bhavam means the nature in which Krsna is there. In this material nature, although Krsna is there, but we do not understand.

Existence is Brahman (the total) to be understood as One with all of us (life). The material offers the senses the ability to learn, describe and convey within the ‘period’ of experiencing (life). As the cycles change in time (Krsna) the knowledge evolves to encompass (love) to both the experience of the material and in the spiritual (mind) of Godhead.

Or simply; without the words how can another understand ‘you’?

 

Mama janmani janmanisvare bhavatad bhaktir ahaituki tvayi [Cc. Antya 20.29, Siksastaka 4]. It is so pleasure, it is so great a pleasure that if you come to this bhakti platform, if you realize little, then you'll forget all these things

That to literally comprehend ‘life’ and how we exist within Brahman/Vishnu… then we need nothing!

In contrast; to ‘think’ we know can eliminate the intent to seek for the tomorrow’s understanding; quite opposite to the ‘intent’ of life; purposed to continue.

For example: we teach the next generation how to plant the crops.

 

I'm not sure I understand the basis of your disagreement.

 

Did Srila Prabhupada develop and convey beyond his teacher?

 

Did the teacher have the greater impact on the student than the knowledge and literature learned?

 

After the choice to interpret Chaintanya's works into english; did he continue beyond the acarya (teacher)?

 

 

What was the most important 'choice' of Srila Prabhupada?

 

The intent?

The acarya/teacher?

 

Point was the choice and intent of the person enabled the teacher to see the incarnation; not the other way around.

 

I'm starting to really like you Bishadi.. Your answers are rather wise..

 

learning how to convey

 

seems if a life is good; then support it

 

babies, teaching and planting seeds; each good, continuing by a conscious choice; for life

 

the more the better.

 

does this make sense?

 

 

 

"So we should hear from the sampradaya-acarya by disciplic succession. As Krsna recommends in this Bhagavad-gita: evam parampara-praptam imam rajarsayo viduh."

 

la Prabhupada Lecture on Bhagavad-gita, 11-30-72, Hyderabad

 

 

 

 

"Our Indian spiritual life is guided by the acaryas, sampradaya acarya, the Ramanujacarya, Madhvacarya, Visnuswami and Nimbarka. There is... Whole Indian spiritual culture is dependent on the guidance of these acarya. And in the Bhagavad-gita also, in the Thirteenth Chapter, it is advised, acarya upasanam: "One should follow the instruction of the acarya." That is our Vedic civilization."

 

Srila Prabhupada Lecture to World Health Org., 06-06-74, Geneva

 

 

 

I disagree.

 

as this concept requires acceptance of another more important than the commitment of the student...(the choice)

 

'it is advised' ..'recommends'.. are the suggestions as mentioned above....

 

which makes sense but not required as many of the greatest contributors accomplished much alone

 

a guru can assist in the aligning of ideas, the words still have to be read of much literature; the commitment to the learning represents the primary requisite of understanding/ For example; anyone can watch a DVD or listen to a recording.

 

read more than the guru and the student begins to assist the teacher

 

each person is equally capable with or without a specific sects required ritual.....

 

I've found a Picture of Bishadi on the web:

 

where is the nice tan?

 

The travel of a contributor; An old story.

 

the best of human beings free from desire who no longer work for the profit and who are characterized by devotional service, spiritual knowledge and detachment, is this the instruction of the duties. Although He remained with what He was at home, accepted He, only physically, like a madman with his hair unkempt, the sky for His dress and roamed He, keeping the vedic fire within, far and wide from Brahmâvarta. (29) Even though He, idle, blind, deaf, dumb and like a ghost and a madman, to the people appeared like someone unconcerned about the world [an avadhûta], did He with the vow of silence keep Himself from speaking. (30) Here and there passing through cities, villages, mines, lands, gardens, valley-communities, military encampments, cowsheds, farms, resting places for pilgrims, hills and forests, hermitages and so on, was He surrounded by bad people and flies and was He, like an elephant appearing from the forest, beaten away and threatened, urinated and spit upon, thrown into the dust, with the stones and the stool, farted at and given bad names; but He didn't care about that because He, from His understanding how the body relates to the soul, knew that this dwelling place of a body that is called real, was not a dwelling fit for a gentleman; instead He remained situated in His personal glory in negation of the 'I' and 'mine' and wandered unperturbed alone all over the earth…….

When He,………… saw that the people in general were explicitly against his yoga practice, took He, to counteract that karma, to the behavior of a python in lying down, to which He, chewing His food and accepting His drinks, passing stool and urinating, smeared His body rolling in the excrement. (33) His smell of stool was of such a good fragrance indeed that the air of the countryside for ten yojanas around received a pleasant aroma. (34) Thus by His activities moving, standing, sitting and lying down with the cows, the crows and the deer, was He, exactly like the cows, crows and deer do, eating, drinking and passing urine.

 

"There are two conceptions,

the physical conception and

the vibrational conception.

The physical conception is temporary.

The vibrational conception is eternal.

...When we feel separation from Krsna

or the Spiritual Master,

we should just try to remember their words

or instructions,

and we will no longer feel that separation.

Such association with Krsna and

the Spiritual Master

should be association by vibration

not physical presence.

That is real association."(Srila Prabhupada, Elevation to Krsna Consciousness, chapter 4)

Such wisdom, yet the variety of definitions may once again take another.

In returning to

 

SB 3.11.2: Atoms are the ultimate state of the manifest universe. When they stay in their own forms without forming different bodies, they are called the unlimited oneness. There are certainly different bodies in physical forms, but the atoms themselves form the complete manifestation.

SB 3.11.3: One can estimate time by measuring the movement of the atomic combination of bodies. Time is the potency of the almighty Personality of Godhead, Hari, who controls all physical movement although He is not visible in the physical world.

It can be seen how deep the idea of ‘vibrations’ applies. In which all ‘physical movement’ even invisible is the causation to anything, including that vibration upon mass (atoms)

 

Text 20

 

 

 

sarva-bhutesu yenaikam

 

 

 

bhavam avyayam iksate

avibhaktam vibhaktesu

taj jnanam viddhi sattvikam

 

 

 

 

 

Translation

 

 

That knowledge by which one undivided spiritual nature is seen in all living entities, though they are divided into innumerable forms, you should understand to be in the mode of goodness

Where in understanding each can see that ‘light’ and all her illustrious wavelengths (colors) is the energy upon mass; life.

 

So to combine the teachings, then it can be realized; life itself is the energy upon mass.

 

Within this realization, then any imposition to existence is of life.

 

Walking, talking, writing and singing; all constitute action within existence.

 

Even to read the words, unmoving upon the paper, begin a life within comprehension, that transcends time in which the old can combine with the new.

 

 

Dear devotees, spiritual practitioners and/or seekers,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have a dilemma about serving alcohol. Although it is not reccommended for serious spiritual aspirants to serve alcohol to anybody, I find it very difficult to apply this. Out of social custome it is almost unavoidable. At least where I live, in The Netherlands. For example, after a won tennis game it is a general etiquette to offer someone a drink. And to give as an answer: no sir, I can not give you a beer, because it's against my principles, only invokes envy. So this is really a dilemma to me. My solution today was to just give the person the beer, because I thought, well just one beer wouldn't really harm. Does anybody have any thoughts on this?

 

 

 

 

Regards,

Damian

 

 

 

This type of item is quite important and there are many areas to apply wisdom.

 

In one example;

 

 

Text 8

 

duhkham ity eva yat karma

kaya-klesa-bhayat tyajyt

sa krtva rajasam tyagam

naiva tyaga-phalam labhet

 

Translation

Anyone who gives up prescribed duties as troublesome or out of fear of bodily discomfort is said to have renounced in the mode of passion. Such action never leads to the elevation of renunciation.

 

Purport

 

One who is in Krsna consciousness should not give up earning money out of fear that he is performing fruitive activities. If by working one can engage his money in Krsna consciousness, or if by rising early in the morning one can advance his transcendental Krsna consciousness, one should not desist out of fear or because such activities are considered troublesome. Such renunciation is in the mode of passion. The result of passionate work is always miserable. If a person renounces work in that spirit, he never gets the result of renunciation.

 

which is like a warrior on the field not willing to kill; break a precept

 

this is one of the toughest questions on earth

 

what is posted, in an opinion, simply repeated; but there is more

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But that misconception of self-identity can be diminished gradually by the mercy of the Personality of Godhead, Vasudeva, through the process of devotional service to the Lord in the mode of detachment

In which to isolate a self from nature and what is true based on misconceptions of self identity placed into words – comprehension.

Perhaps that mercy is as a ‘self’ removes what it believes true by words and allows the experience to reveal itself.

 

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Senses share the experience to the environment; if silenced hearing is good. Combing the senses with knowledge shares understanding removing all miseries to each experience; walk in peace (Godhead)….

To raise a child without doubting the senses, understanding each interaction, then the excitement of accounts would be of little consequence or ‘hell to experience’ in each.

Comprehension begets Peace; understanding solves the riddle.

 

What is the purpose of the flower?

 

'Knowing' as in 'enlightenment' is comprehending the experience; proof is when the experience can be conveyed to words.

 

Make sense?

 

 

 

 

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if one is sincere, that sincerity will attract a Spiritual Master to guide one. If we have firm faith that Krsna is in our hearts, then why not believe He will help us climb out of this 'stagnated' mundane material creation by sending us His beloved representative??

 

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Where does this opinion come from?

 

Perhaps your post that assimilated anothers idea?

 

 

And exactly what does that mean - that those who have found a physically present diksa guru are sincere?

That they can reflect as a mirror.

 

 

 

That those who abstain from entering into the institutional concept of religion by diksa are insincere?

About the teachers requisites; yes!

 

There are so many initiates that have wreacked havoc in the community with criminal and debased activities. The same applies to some of the gurus themselves. So where is this rule manifest?

 

By a sects form of creed.