Bishadi

after reading through all that it reminded me of a preacher in a chrsitian church.

 

the first item that came to mind was the flower.

 

the beauty, the peddles, the aroma; kind to the sense; all for to procreate.

 

even the beauty of the birds, dancing, singing for to earn the right to procreate

 

each for the purpose of good......'life to continue'

 

such is the same in all aspects of human interrelation.

 

in that if neither of our parents had compassion, intent and we all hope a little bit of Love; not a one of us would be here.

 

Then we think of all the humble contributors to our knowledge and existence and may wonder; could you imagine if each had a child to convey the knowledge and life-times commitment to the unabused eyes of their own child; could more compassion have conveyed to the observance of knowledge?

 

Just a perspective with a little food; or maybe 'the nectar of the lotus flower' ... perhaps?

 

 

:smash:Just Do It!

 

 

 

go advice

 

What does it feel like to be reprimanded from the guru

 

don't say much; just subject judgment

 

kind of neat, to be

 

 

<CENTER>Chapter 2. Contents of the Gita Summarized</CENTER>

 

TEXT 11

 

sri-bhagavan uvaca

asocyan anvasocas tvam

prajna-vadams ca bhasase

gatasun agatasums ca

nanusocanti panditah

 

 

 

 

TRANSLATION

 

The Blessed Lord said: While speaking learned words, you are mourning for what is not worthy of grief. Those who are wise lament neither for the living nor the dead.

 

 

PURPORT

 

The Lord at once took the position of the teacher and chastised the student, calling him, indirectly, a fool. The Lord said, "You are talking like a learned man, but you do not know that one who is learned--one who knows what is body and what is soul--does not lament for any stage of the body, neither in the living nor in the dead condition." ...

 

 

 

Just like Arjuna was called a fool by Lord Sri Krsna in the Bhagavad-Gita, "While speaking learned words..." Is it a wee bit painful to hear such sharp words from the Guru? :crying2: How is Guru helping us by such verbal chastisemet? :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash:

 

Perhaps that's what all the corrections are for?

 

When does equality make a presence?

Prabhupada: He's a rascal, and he was given in charge. Another rascal,

 

No gambling, No drug, No kill, no Il sex ...... did that cover 'sense of human-rights, justice and civility' {YES} or is there more to include? {YES, but nut for you, I'm afraid very afraid}

 

and please.... in these last few weeks this 'i' has contributed over 100 hrs of studying the many forms of dharma within the 'degeneration phenomenon' of the Hindu branches. {Dude you put the fear of God into me. Be afraid very afraid. He he, ha ha, they're coming to take ... RUN!}

 

 

The post was to share 2 items; one that knowledge is collective and two; that additional development has come from this interaction. (website)

 

Perhaps both are of quality; good?

 

YES, Mahrishi, but , I'm afraid very afraid of your brand of existential cob-web chantings.

 

Dude you put the fear of God into me.

 

Be afraid!

Very afraid!

 

He he, ha ha,

they're coming to take ...

RUN!

 

 

Fear yourself.

 

Isn't that what the suffering is all about; self examination?

 

Boys, boys, tsk.

 

Yes mental illlness can lead one to believe they are enlightened. This is common. As far as I can tell it is a beautifull experience.

Does that mean you are ill or that you have knowledge to share from the experience?

 

 

Beware of the descent however. Inevitably there is one, and depression can result.

That is one of the 'nasties' that unfolds when knowledge someone believes as true is found incorrect.

 

Such that all over the world many religions beliefs and faiths have people even willing to die for what they are being taught as absolute; when we each have areas that are still unanswered by the religion themselves.

 

Now imagine when the truth unfolds pure.

 

Not only will there be no need of faith ever again but then all them folk out there who will use that knowledge of being decieved and rebel; such that even the teacher may bare the wrath from the student.

 

'Knowing' as in 'enlightenment' is comprehending the experience; proof is when the experience can be conveyed to words.

 

why does it have to be just one guru? I have several gurus in my life and manage to find a good harmony between them.

 

Honesty!

Most of your post is quite abusive and should be corrected with a little compassion.

 

Seems comprehension may not be your greatest gift; all that scholar and still has to return to breaking 'faithful' rules just to get a point across.

 

There is word that defines this type of choice .... hypo......

 

 

 

3) But in pursuence of truth and justice --tackleberry has a point! Whereas my posting require a familarity with world literature/current events/pop-culture/world histories/english vocabulary, and, the bonefide path of sages and gurus of antiquity, starting with Lord Brahma, on down to the present day ---

 

the pursuit of truth must be absolute; the returning to faithful beliefs to represent or discredit knowledge of truth; is where ignorance and the choice of self represents itself quite purely.

 

Meaning; it would not matter if we went all the way back to Thoth or the sumarian tablets; be compassionate in the underlying message and retain not the attachment of 'who' is suggested of writting as all of it is from or within the period of existence (God).

 

we must maintain this absolute integrity; honor each as if God was at hand himself but keep focus on the intent and compassion within without regression to phenomenon!

 

Vishnu/Braham never fibs; men do!

 

and to retain an underlying theme that all words from God shall emit compassion, understanding, knowledge and enlightenment; then enjoy all of the knowledge prepared throughout existence; just be honest in the experience and remove the self.

 

again food for thought

 

1) Jesu Khristo said himself that there is much more to reveal but he could not reveal it at that time [you know that].

 

Constantine's codification of the books of the Bible [?--In 325, Constantine called the Council of Nicea, which was the first general conference of the Christian church. Constantine had virtually nothing to do with the forming of the canon and it was not even discussed at Nicea. Instead, the council that formed decisions about the canon took place in 397 in Cathage. This was 60 years after Constantine’s death.]

an educated response

 

 

2) Moses delivered the 10 Commandments to a world of debauches --the rules of the 10 Commandments are so basic to moral functioning that it is thus obvious that peolple of the time [or at least the govermental heads] where without the simplest sense of human-rights, justice and civility.

No gambling, No drug, No kill, no Il sex ...... did that cover 'sense of human-rights, justice and civility' or is there more to include? and please.... in these last few weeks this 'i' has contributed over 100 hrs of studying the many forms of dharma within the 'degeneration phenomenon' of the Hindu branches.

 

moving on....

 

and since, this 'i' has no need of faith but to experience and observe knowledge, then find a piece that is interesting and enlightening.

 

Mark 10-17 And as he is going forth into the way, one having run and having kneeled to him, was questioning him, `Good teacher, what may I do, that life age-during I may inherit?

 

18 And Jesus said to him, `Why me dost thou call good? no one [is] good except One -- God;

 

19the commands thou hast known: Thou mayest not commit adultery, Thou mayest do no murder, Thou mayest not steal, Thou mayest not bear false witness, Thou mayest not defraud, Honour thy father and mother.

 

In which God is not HE in this rendition as he 'said',

 

nor any of the first 4 commandments that promote humility to an unknown; rather to be responsible in each action of associations; compassion as rule ONE.

 

Just food for thought from a simple 'i'

 

It's called the natural phenomenon of Degeneration.

You mean 'evolution'..... as the term is like an oposition to...

 

Such that entropy degenerates a system as in contrast evolution is a system 'changes' based on the environment.

 

the term phenomenon is soon to be over.

 

 

The Hindu Dharma is better known as the Sanatan Dharma (the Eternal Religion),

Like the philosophies of the Upanishads?

 

 

with time many people's will be diverted from it but at any point in time, there will be atleast one observer of the Great Vedic Tradition. Its reviver is born when required.

They are contributors by choice.

 

Honor as many as possible; they offer an understanding of the term godhead; they give with no need of self. How do you think we have the term 'evolution' in articulations; the time was correct and a contributor gave of his life for others.

 

 

And there is no need to climb on coconut trees to see and comprehend this diversion, it's only our lust for sense enjoyment is the creator of this diversion.

I disagree; did Srila Prab use enjoyment as his intent?

 

 

In proportion to the extent of our lust results in the equal diversion to Truth.

So then you contradict the opening line; 'it's called the natural phenomenon of degeneration'

 

when in reality; the intent of the Krshna consious is to pursue the truth

 

 

Text 45

 

prayatnad yatamanas tu

yogi samsuddha-kilbisah

aneka-janma-samsiddhas

tato yati param gatim

 

 

 

 

Translation

And when the yogi engages himself with sincere endeavor in making further progress, being washed of all contaminations, then ultimately, achieving perfection after many, many births of practice, he attains the supreme goal.

 

It is our duty to tomorrow; the children; life; existence; Vishnu/Brahman and even Krshna.

 

I would rather say, those teachers knew the Truth in its Full Scope, but knew the exact quantity to contribute, according to time and circumstance. Had it been otherwise, instead of remedy there would have been calamity.

 

It's not their frailities but their helplessness.

 

Helplessness in reduced material knowledge than today!

 

To suggest that a person has walked yesterday; that could have the words of today, returns to the understanding of prophecy (which does occur) but they cannot define what they saw; see the doomsday mare.

 

You and Bhakta Jan make a good couple.

 

Gita Govinda?

 

Real religion is not man made

QUOTE:

The numerous so-called religions of the world that exist outside the Vedic system are not transcendental because they have no real connection to the Absolute Truth. Over time the proponents of these major world religions have done much harm to the world and deceived a multitude of people by engaging them in impious activities and all in the name of ‘good faith.’

If one deeply studies western theology and the history of religion one will discover that all contemporary religious thought has originated from the time of the Rg-Vedic civilization. These religious thoughts however did not come to the world as wholesome theology but rather as a Vedic heresy.

There will always be some who must defend their religion. A faithfull servant of the Divine knows there is nothing to defend. Their path is right for them. What others make of it is irrelevant.

Religion, like any tool can do good or ill. It depends upon who's hands it is in. A knife for example can be used to cut fruit or harm another. Do we blame the knife?

Forgive me.

Must we fight like children in a playground squabbling over who's mother is the prettiest? Does it matter? Talk of heresy invites divisiveness. Does it help the climate of our times? I beleive there is right action, thought and so on. Yet we cannot aleviate others internal suffering. This is acheived only through surrender to the Divine. And with so many billions of people on this planet, it is no wonder there are so many paths. I sometimes ask my child: What would the world be like if every one was the same? Her anwer: BORING. Not enlightened perhaps, but relevant just the same. No?

Namaste

 

I agree.... compassion, kindness, humility....

 

 

Must we fight like children in a playground squabbling over who's mother is the prettiest?

And in this pride and selfish preservation is the cause or defensive reactions versus comprehensive dialogue; see the middle east.

 

 

Does it matter? Talk of heresy invites divisiveness.

and why logic and the equality of the human experience is the setting of conveyance; to honor the acheivements and combining similarities

 

 

Does it help the climate of our times?

As if a new vaccine to cure; knowledge honored as the gift is like a cure.

 

 

I beleive there is right action, thought and so on.

and without question integrity and honesty is the number one 'right action' as it is one we each can be responsible for.

 

 

Yet we cannot aleviate others internal suffering.

Not neccessarily, as compassion between people can move mountains.

 

 

This is acheived only through surrender to the Divine.

And since all of existence is the only pure divinity, as flesh and blood maintains the experience of choice; then divinity is bound to the individuals experience and integrity of representations. As what one may do in surrendering to God (divine) may be interpretted as ill regard to another; see the variety of cultures.

 

 

And with so many billions of people on this planet, it is no wonder there are so many paths. I sometimes ask my child: What would the world be like if every one was the same? Her anwer: BORING. Not enlightened perhaps, but relevant just the same. No?

And that is what religions try and do; assimilate.

 

Just as the migration from india to the west in 1966; an evangelical movement.

 

i.e...... if every person was to remain focused on the complacent teaching of a faith; and each was to conform; then what would ever be accomplished but a 'boring' existence with no ability to evolve with knowledge.

 

It is usually the rebel that commits (divine devotion) for to learn and represent knowledge; as the progression lives.

 

Actualy the BG says do not have sex without religious principle.

Lot's of principles and examples represented on many of Khajuraho's temples.

 

 

How do you see Illlicit sex?

For the self. Pre-Radha combining 2 into one.

 

 

What you actualy teaching is Krishna and Vishnu viewpoint?

Copied from another's website...... the rest is like you 'an opinion.' ..

 

 

I am almost in complete agreement with the rest.. With Gambling..

Don't bet on one sect having it all.

 

 

In the area where I live some one sold all his possesions and bought alot of lottery tickets and lost.. Gambling addicts is a moajor problem..

Just as any predetermination. Living in a pretty picture rather than experience Now, 'as she represents herself'

 

 

No Meat eating? Perfect agreement there..

What could any contradiction offer in present company?

 

 

Intoxicants.. pretty much the same view as Gambling.. just DONT GET DRUNK.

then why drink? Taste? Social pressure? Take the edge off when confounded in the responsibilities of the material world? Ah..... makes sense.

 

Seems a cup of hot cocoa is a drug to some. Yet to identify consumptions of anything identified as 'altering' as bad, simply because many atrocities can be linked to irresponsibility is such the same as requiring a burqa.

 

Yet, some of the greatest wails of happiness come from some pretty wild parties and it is not so much the possibilities of errors to eliminate but that much good comes from just living and observing in social experience.

 

Just thoughts...

 

It seems like we know all cars cause detriments to the earth but we tolerate them.

 

Will vehicles ever be removed from the earth? No much stock in that bet; likewise drugs, liquors and the such should be of responsibility; the same as each choice in life.

 

Imagine if life was not so filled in the pursuit of things, then enjoyment will increase in the compassionate associations of community.

 

thx

 

Do you like to read?

 

There is more even when some conflict with logic, find the wisdom and grow with the intent to learn;

 

only a teacher of absolute truth is pure; none had walked with the full scope but each contributed just the same

 

 

Text 8-12

 

amanitvam adambhitvam

ahimsa ksantir arjavam

acaryopasanam saucam

sthairyam atma-vinigrahah

indriyarthesu vairagyam

anahankara eva ca

janma-mrtyu jara-vyadhi-

duhkha-dosanudarsanam

asaktir anabhisvangah

putra-dara-grhadisu

nityam ca sama-cittatvam

istanistopapattisu

mayi cananya-yogena

bhaktir avyabhicarini

vivikta-desa-sevitvam

aratir jana-samsadi

adhyatma-jnana-nityatvam

tattva-jnanartha-darsanam

etajjnanam iti proktam

ajnanam yad ato 'nyatha

 

 

 

Translation

 

 

Humility; pridelessness; nonviolence; tolerance; simplicity; approaching a bona fide spiritual master; cleanliness; steadiness; self-control; renunciation of the objects of sense gratification; absence of false ego; the perception of the evil of birth, death, old age and disease; detachment; freedom from entanglement with children, wife, home and the rest; even-mindedness amid pleasant and unpleasant events; constant and unalloyed devotion to Me; aspiring to live in a solitary place; detachment from the general mass of people; accepting the importance of self-realization; and philosophical search for the Absolute Truth--all these I declare to be knowledge, and besides this whatever there may be is ignorance.

 

Much of this is quite true yet one stands out; detachment; freedom from entanglement with children.

 

In this if you have children, any can ship them to the other side of the earth but physically 'you stay entangled' as they are a portion of you physical being (life) and your whole lineage from the beginning of time.

 

 

Then back to the top note the item; 'the perception of the evil of birth'

 

seems no one could be reading or experiencing if they were not born. And then how can we honor life within existence and offer another chance for life to continue, if we do not observe 'birth of life' as pure good?

 

Such the same to stay within and not to associate; what is compassion for?

 

Perception must be relative to the attachment; physiological or mentally responsible. Each carry weight.

 

food for thought

 

thx

 

perhaps representing Love for the total of existence shares a constant intent to seed 'good'

 

much more to learn than just what one sect suggests as final

 

and to lighten it up yet remain politically correct there's more than one way to peal the husk from corn.

 

But Jesus was right there in person to give them the necessary knowledge!

Born of Mary.

 

Rather than Devaki; in an emaculate similarity.

 

Still men who walked and still live in the words and hearts of today; because they conveyed the compassion evolved to 'their' time; by choice!

 

 

They already knew and accepted their local version of God as an old, bearded angry man who was in control. How hard would it be for them to switch to a desi version of a clean-shaven God wearing Indian style silk dhotis and earrings?

Ask them,

 

'duty was to fight for, and protect, the righteous people, not to prevent the war'

 

 

It is not a question of intelligence apparently as our esteemed colleagues on this forum have argued several times. They have been severely critical of people who have tried to approach the topic of God through intelligence and logic. So no evolution of knowledge or intelligence was necessary.

Then what is there to teach in words, math, philosophy, medicine and Love? Let's be intelligent with logic to convey; rather than stiff with pride to retain a position.

 

 

Even today, the majority of the world is not worshipping Krishna.

Nor Jesus, Moses, Mohammed or even Buddha; each contributors not God's, only one completeness to all existence; the total; Vishnu/Braham/God..... not an old guy with a beard, that was Zeus.

 

 

But that did not stop the name from being circulated anyway. So what was the problem with releasing the name in the middle east just 2000 years ago?

Perhaps Krsna was said of birth I believe it was closer to 5000 years ago, so Jesus was not even a twinkle of hope at the name given, per writings.

 

 

Are we still gonna hunt for lame excuses or can we be more honest and admit that the most likely option is Jesus never heard of Krishna? And there is absolutely no evidence to show otherwise? Ot is this approach a problem because it is rational?

 

Cheers

And most do not know the name Quexalcoatl either.

 

Perhaps Vishnu has more to unfold? Maybe a new name; nameste ?

 

What about those circumstances and time? What do you think would have happened if the name was revealed back then?

 

Cheers

 

Perhaps knowledge had not evolved; such the same can be noted in the progression of India's religions with Hinduism and the varieties born thereof.

 

and since equality is the combining idea in presenting knowledge; then what is the single language that is pretty uniform in all the world's societies?

 

 

Mathematics.

 

The pure name will be in Math!

 

Text 1-2

 

arjuna uvaca

prakrtim purusam caiva

ksetram ksetra-jnam eva ca

etad veditum icchami

jnanam jneyam ca kesava

 

sri-bhagavan uvaca

idam sariram kaunteya

ksetram ity abhidhiyate

etad yo vetti tam prahuh

ksetra-jna iti tad-vidah

 

Translation

Arjuna said: O my dear Krsna, I wish to know about prakrti [nature], purusa [the enjoyer], and the field and the knower of the field, and of knowledge and the object of knowledge. The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: This body, O son of Kunti, is called the field, and one who knows this body is called the knower of the field.

As to comprehend the life upon the body presents: knowing the field; what you are!

 

 

Text 3

 

ksetra-jnam capi mam viddhi

sarva-ksetresu bharata

ksetra-ksetrajnayor jnanam

yat taj jnanam matam mama

 

Translation

O scion of Bharata, you should understand that I am also the knower in all bodies, and to understand this body and its knower is called knowledge. That is My opinion.

 

Knowledge is the combining of Krsna; that is my opinion!

 

In addition I would say that, by way of extention of the title of this thread:

 

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At night and in the early hours of the morning he would write and translate, and during the day he would guide his students in devotional service. He lived and ate simply and slept only a few hours a night.

 

 

Continuous extention of knowledge!

<CENTER>Lord Krishna,

Source of Immortal Wisdom</CENTER>

 

 

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Who are we? What is the purpose of our living through one lifetime after another? What is freedom all about, and how can we achieve it?

He was nearly penniless and had no friends or relatives in America. But, depending on Krishna, he chanted Hare Krishna in a public park and taught classes in a small store. Soon people took interest in what he had to say.

 

Srila Prabhupada's mission was to present Krishna's teachings as they are, without watering them down or compromising to suit popular fashion. His message might become popular or not, but he was determined to give the genuine thing.

 

Did Srila Prabhupada think himself God? Never. He worked as a humble servant of God. Men who claim to be God, he said, are dogs.

 

Srila Prabhupada taught how to serve Krishna by his words and by the example of his life. At night and in the early hours of the morning he would write and translate, and during the day he would guide his students in devotional service. He lived and ate simply and slept only a few hours a night.

 

India is better known as the Eternal India, the only genuine culture is the Indian Culture, each time India experienced a deviation from its root it brought its fall down. Nevertheless, each time great souls were sent to preserve that culture, that Truth.

 

Then why the diversion from Hindu?

 

What caused the change of thousands of years of historical observance?