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  1. Bija

    Perhaps you are becoming one with existence (aware) and capable of experiencing the collective of the entangled energy. Ever hear of Monks that could fly from the eyes of an eagle? That is what that is.

    Seeing the spring; perhaps that energy was entangled to you and your senses began to experience the object as if in your face. Again we are One with all existence and consciousness is that window to see.

    We are entangled to all existence past and future in time. That is why God is the ‘indescribable,’ as well One with all the representing ‘prophets’

    They could see too but how to have this conversation? That is of today.

    As time progresses we can return to being ‘babes’ in the world and raised to nourish these rather than discount them. A shadow on the wall now a days is often interpreted as an imagination of a ‘dragon’ such that is what was perhaps in memory and associated incorrectly based on learned ignorance.

    Mind combines knowledge with experiences.

    When the children are raised with truth at the earliest age, then greater development of capabilities and awareness can begin. To comprehend the basics then the ‘journey’ can be pure.

    We are all a part of the total of existence; God.

    This truth is revealed in understanding the ‘light’ of life. All mass is combined by light such that every atom that associates to make even one molecule is held together by ‘light’ or electromagnetism. (see electromagnetic spectrum)

    And entanglement is a property of ‘light.





    Milly, Mother is always our Goddess; to know that allows you to honor your whole lineage with responsibility. Then bring her a grandchild and say "thank you mother for giving me life"....


    Bishadi, I believe Virakrsna and weallshineon are attempting to understand the art of preaching according to time, place and circumstance.

    It's not a question of evolving,

    that's not possible because the process of Krishna Consciousness is an awakening process to what we always have had,

    but rather presenting the teachings according to the times.



    And the circumstances NOW are the children can see a little more than what was shared even 25 years ago. Such that not even the greatest of teachers had the knowledge available to this “to time, place and circumstance”

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    It's not a question of evolving,

    that's not possible because the process of Krishna Consciousness is an awakening process to what we always have had,

    but rather presenting the teachings according to the times.

    So the rules of evolving are based on ‘time and environment’ and change is ever purposed. This does not mean the experience is per se changing, but the knowledge of defining the experience exceeds anything previously available.

    Ie… ranjeetmore …… is still speaking in the old language to share his opinion on a western forum in the context of the krisna movement, in which the teacher was converting everything to ENGLISH for the west. Nothing benefits from the regression!

    The progression (evolving process) is not only observed in nature and knowledge but the ability to comprehend and experience evolves, such as why any seek in the first place.

    To see the varied opinions should give each teacher a clue as to the proper change to embrace.

    Regression is oppressive.

    Progression is submissive.

    So the choice goes back to each person and to choose ‘perfect’ follow the rules of truth!

    Good: supports life to continue

    Bad: loss to the common

    In the choice weigh the action. The bad in this case is to isolate and maintain complacency.

    Or be submissive (bhakti/devotion)

    As then the only choice is; to support our future with every bit of our fiber, so they can have the chance ‘we all did not’………… give that true LOVE to our future; existence; GOD; do good!

    Submission to God is not worrying about yourself but being responsible to existence and life in all actions/purpose. Selfless commitment.

    Can you see the difference?

    The old ways will fail in today’s world as only by honoring the truth in knowledge as a whole will you continue; been trying to share this with you.

    Is it the western arrogance that throws you off?

    Imagine each child knowing the truth in the numbers of billions not little retreats in the forest where individual understanding is like trying to comprehend Einstein’s Theory of Relativity.

    But in truth; the rule share we are each like a tap on the pond; when our wave interacts with others in existence the good combinations combine and our wave lives longer, the bad offer little good in support of the total or in simple terms 'try and jump out of the pond'; either way a loss to the common.


    Any religious movement that remains inexorably rooted in some past era becomes extinct.
    Now your talking!



    There are many examples. Krsna consciousness must always remain dynamic and adaptable to the times.


    Let us therefore focus and preach on Srila Prabhupadas essential and timeless spiritual teachings. We should not dwell upon relative social statements that may change with time.
    yet social changes are what created the need to place vedic literature in english


    so in reality; Prabhapadas was truly adjusting, evolving, developing in true Bhakti (devotion)....... contributing to the evolution of knowledge for mankind.....




    Most importantly, we should not misuse those statements to vehemently put forth our own personal prejudices in a manner devoid of love, which only succeeds in discouraging others from the path of bhakti.

    as the first premise of pure love is honesty..... as to retain a belief over this choice... then the cycle reveals itself as "Any religious movement that remains inexorably rooted in some past era becomes extinct. There are many examples."


    Hence.... krsna movement changed as well came west; the evolution was recognized as 'to continue' as the progression was given and shared by Prabhupadas's writings. He gave to us to progress, not to regress.


    as to suggest in selfish requisite of pursuing a belief over the maintaining absolute truth to knowledge and the contributions of the previous teachers shares that "Any religious movement that remains inexorably rooted in some past era becomes extinct. There are many examples."



    We should not dwell upon relative social statements that may change with time.


    without changing and evolving; the children can not Love you for your contributions


    be of selfish practice and become extinct!


    No Primate,
    remember, many primates don't read



    That could be one association of this symbol you got from Nazi's use of it
    Hitlers purpose was cleansing but failed with ego and selfish requisites.

    Swastika has a very good holy connotation not only amoung Hindus but universally accross the globe, in many ancient civilizations. It is an architypal symbol. ( meaning it is universal content of all minds of all cultures).

    the combining of the four colors of mankind (yellow, black, red and white) see the Hopi too




    that migration towards the; the knowledge of truth.


    remember if we (mankind) are under the 'lotus feet' of vishnu.... then each corner of the earth must be honored



    Architypally, this is the symbol - or mandala or chakra - that arises or encounters first in one's spiritual journy. This is the very door of spiritual realm.
    makes sense



    It is devine and very very holy. It is the seal of the door of spiritual realm.
    perhaps why the adi buddha (last avatar to come) is supposed to have it on the bottom of his feet http://www.religionfacts.com/buddhism/symbols/buddhapada.htm


    which to me suggests, he has walked (observed the knowledge from each)


    The swastika is not a Nazi idea but used as a war cry within a war machine.


    It is almost as bad as Judaism using a religious belief to create a state within a foreign land. i.e.... the migration to Israel was not of compassion but of selfishish religious beliefs.


    hence the idea once observed; it is good that Israel exists or what hitler did to the jewish people? Neither would exist without the other and we can't change time to argue about it. That divide of the east and west, the war of all wars; will be based in this conflict.


    It is already written.


    perhaps try a little from other points of view about the combining of mankind




    If we feed the root of a tree all its leaves and branches are nourished.
    as knowledge 'evolves'



    That state of consciousness you are speaking of is deep respect in Krsna consciousness.
    consciousness is like the window to krsna.


    We experience 'life' in his eyes; we islolate by ourselfish choices. Not separate in reality just the preception of mind. (incorrect knowledge)



    Consciousness seems to be such a fine principle, so much so that many of us may not deeply realize the profound impact of serving mood.
    Consciousness offers choice; the mind is often of self; remove the self and the mind can learn the truth. Combine the consciousness with the mind and truth and bliss; the mind of GOD!



    What is most interesting is that the scientists can break all down to molecules or photons or quarks etc...fractals...space and such impersonal items. But how does he explain the inherent qualities that manipulate those particles such as bliss, joy, appreciation, love, compassion, warmth, fondness, laughter etc etc.
    remove the self as priority and experience GOD.


    the sciences do in fact, share nothing is isolated. To comprehend that God is not separate from mankind; then responsibility to the good (bhakti) becomes a part of the living experience.



    I really believe offering a flower, leaf, water or intention to the Whole...can bring us into closer union with true dynamic...consciousness. Thank God for this personal experience with a personal environment...truly wonderful.
    sounds like you are already 'walking on water'




    I have been a disciple of Prabhupada's for nearly 40 years, we have to learn to NOT just repeat
    Wise words, in which to comprehend, we can share the reality or truth within application; then the dharma shares its life.


    Srila Prabhupada's spiritual message won't change just as that of Jesus Christ. Mohammed, Buddha et all.

    I do agree that SP's definitions were more complete but whatever he left as regulative principles or culture are temporary. With time it will fade away, it will be considered really tough to keep the pace.

    Each of the worlds contributors shared the beauty of ‘truth’.

    When you see the combination of; then realize the absolute.


    ravindra kesavan,Ramakrishna Paramhamsa has also said,

    "The world is great but the ocean is greater.

    How is that possible?

    The ocean is but a portion of the world. Perhaps a rehash on the meaning before representing a story as if to bring wisdom.


    Greater than this ocean is the netherworld
    no such thing as the ‘netherworld’ as it is like never-never-land in the never-ending story….. created ideas…..

    first step is to perhaps be honest with absolute truths before using words divided and unequal to mankind……….


    .Sri Vishnu's foot covered the earth and the netherworld in one step.
    Then why the diversity of beliefs?

    Why on a thread of ‘truth’ use stories created by men?


    Without serving the lotus feet of Sri krsna,the basic goal of cleansing the material mind IS NOT POSSIBLE.

    Is like saying; without confessing Jesus as the savior, you cannot be saved…… a secular structure within a belief system.

    The true teaching of Krsna is submission or bhakti… to give of the self over any for the good of all……….. rule ONE; be honest!


    And control over mind is the first step to any spiritual realisation.So any 'mahatma' who says that he is realised without doing sri krsna bhakti,SLAP HIM.IF YOU DNT SLAP HIM,YOU WIL ALSO FALL INTO THE DITCH WITH HIM.

    Hence, for a teacher to suggest they know the words of truth but cannot share life ever lasting………….. then he be a liar!

    The truth only exists ONE way. All else are creations of mankind.

    The truth combines mankind! The truth shares life. The truth raises the dead to the flesh.

    The truth is what every soul on this earth seeks.


    Look at that rascal Osho.Bhagwan Osho,it seems.

    Hes not even pig Osho.He is worth pig stool.

    Makes sense that any who fib….. are like ………

    well you know….. a rascal!

  7. whats the signifigance?




    see the crips and bloods


    just as any ritual sharing acceptance of an understanding


    see any diploma or degree.... (he understands that)


    how about the the ritual, called pangngae


    Iban tribe?


    Perhaps commitments to God should be by what we do and not so much by showing a ritual undertaking.


    Could someone please explain the science behind such things as 'nectar Krsna prasadam - the Lord's food remnants' and 'prayer'?


    Thank you.


    Prasadam; selfless contribution; you offer of anything 'you' for the good


    which kind of mirrors the true meaning of 'prayer'; a state of being; commit to



    so to walk in the state 'being to good' ..... there are a whole bunch of definitions for that; pick your word use or dialect; that is the ultimate realization to all; submission to existence


    upon awareness this becomes the walk of each


    to know that each act is a contribution to existence then comprehensible awareness can become understood


    that to 'support life to continue' is the universal good of existence


    then each can know how to be 'good' within the continuation of life as every choice is either to 'support life to continue' or a 'loss to the common'.


    so to support life, then become a nourishment to existence; and live within that contribution.


    therein know how to live the 'ever-lasting life'


    good continues


    bad goes extinct

  9. What is the truth?

    Who is God?

    ‘Who’s’ are people. Names go with isolated things.

    Since we know the three are ONE; Mass, energy (light) and time, then all is of this combination; nothing isolated.

    Everything from before and tomorrow are described within them three.

    All the people are names of portions of this existence. And since a portion is still a part of the total, then something from ‘then’ is a part of ‘tomorrow’ and ‘now’ can experience both. i.e… consciousness is aware.

    We are all a part of the total, as the total experiences existence by our eyes.

    God is existence itself.

    The contributors (prophets/teachers) represented what they experiences and could define in the words of their time. Many could see but words to define are limited by the cultures and environment; available knowledge. From the original teachers, the intent seems pure; to contribute knowledge. The sights can be believed. As cultures diversified, knowledge also diversified. Yet over the course of history, the progression can be observed sharing the evolution of knowledge. This progression and the contributors are not working for God but like any other; of the total (God). The difference is the choice. To be of pure intent, then each are capable of being just as aware and the reason is each are still ‘of’ the total.

    The web now exists returning the diversity of the world’s knowledge to the finger tips. The depth of material knowledge now far exceeds the depth ever available in any other period in history. The web allows any of pure intent to do that homework.

    So if existence itself is all that is and man lives within; then see that during ‘time’ men contributed knowledge for the next period to learn from until the one period (prophesized by many throughout the faiths) a birth. Basically a nut who spends his life to learn and by choice reveals the ‘absolute truth’…

    Nothing magical about it as knowledge is to describe the experiences called phenomenon.

    Rituals, beliefs, and the isolation from God all end with the truth.

    Did that answer your questions?


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    Its ture that dispassion arises from death but I believe that it is not the only thing that causes a person to draw within.

    the idea was that to see death upon the face of another allows each to observe dispassion

    that the human form upon physical death has no selfish desires, loss or gain in choices to make; they are no longer on the take.

    To observe the death of another, offers a mind a chance to open their eyes to what life is, rather than what we have culturally been taught to believe. Most all of mankind has a moment of awakening when recognizing death of another. Many begin to self reflect.

    All the pain and suffering which makes ones life a living hell changes that person to that extent that he would be indifferent even towards his body.<?xml:namespace prefix = u1 /><u1:p></u1:p>

    That hell is self prescribed. Many do not wake up with needs and desires upon the mind. Words upon the mind and prescribed responsibilities often create them attachments. Hence why in some teachings they suggest; ‘remove the entanglements.’ To remove them responsibilities often sheds the desires of needs.


    one has to live life whether one understand it or not.
    agreed as instinct takes over; survival within an environment

    understanding life doesn’t erase mental and physical suffering.
    if you knew your life after death is real, rather than believed or of hope, then where is the suffering with realizing nothing is yours to begin with? Meaning all them desires, needs and wants are self prescribed when without cloths, food, or water, you can still live in what you do.


    one who wants to get away from the pain of this world take up the path of discrimination and dispassion.<u1:p></u1:p>
    but then we are back to understanding life.

    Meaning; to simply sit and do nothing like a monk in the mountain caves; is selfish in a sense as that knowledge may die with the teacher as well what life is continued, created or living beyond the choice? Doing nothing brings little gain or loss; a safe bet but perhaps also a loss to the common. Just imagine how many great teachers never had a child to nurture and teach all that they learned or never wrote down with words to share what was realized


    One living with thought of being nothing and being selfless....is a path laid for the him, by his experiences. So I don’t think dispassion/viragya is a choice but it’s a state of mind that one gets into with certain experiences.

    Which is easy; remove the self as the priority and follow the rules;

    Good: supports life

    Bad: loss to the common


    It’s not death that worries me but life.<u1:p></u1:p>

    hence the wisdom;

    ‘do little if not understanding’

    but then another; ‘if the bowl is dirty, wash it’

    Such that if you have the thought, ‘to cross the river’ perhaps observe why you wish too.

    It is for the good of life to continue, or for a selfish desire?


    <u1:p></u1:p>you said"With ‘understanding’ be most passionate about life. (the new)<U1:P></U1:P>…….” ???<u1:p></u1:p>

    to know that to take your shirt off for your brothers warmth will save his life; then as you shiver; your choice was of passion You chose to support life over the self!


    Lets say a person close to one like life partner…. is brutally murdered in mass shootings for example…should he think that these things happen and be passionate about life?<u1:p></u1:p>

    Did you do it (kill the partner)…. ? Then what choice is best; to learn from the experience or maintain a hate which can harm each moment thereof in pain and suffering.

    Only by maintaining a possession (which is not yours) can you suffer any loss. i.e… in the stead of mourning a deceased, praise their life so they live longer but to hate a feeling of loss is self prescribed. They didn’t leave you but helped you become a nourished soul. They live in you and what Love you experienced. Love them back by planting a tree in memory of that Love; give back. As well perhaps teach a lesson to another that you learned from them; give again and contribute to their continued life.

    Life is not simply making choices; that is ‘the experience’ not the life of their being.

    See the difference? Choice is the experience; life is what was imposed to existence; whether good or bad.


    There is nothing passionate about life. All I can see is pain and suffering!!

    Perhaps to understand Life purely then perhaps that suffering can be understood by even a child before their parents ever pass that period of choice. IN such that to Love each moment and never be in a mind of ‘unfinished business’ as if to not have taken for granted each moment and remember to give back that Love while both still have that choice.

    My better half held the hands of both parents when they left and never cried but said ‘thank you,’ for giving.

    Her Mother was a born again Christian and a few months before leaving, spent almost 3 weeks in our home and to see the change in her as the lady played with our dogs and laughed more than most elderly you would ever see; She learned the truth of life from the words learned and shared and from that point forth began to understand what her life is and what the ever after is; she began to live with truth and know bliss for the last months of her life. It was the most beautiful change this I had ever seen from a single person beginning to understand.

    All based in Understanding Life removing the ideas and guise of religious beliefs and grounding the truth to comprehension of what ‘life’ is. She became aware!

    Kind of strange me talking about life, and use a deceased person within the example.

    Perhaps Gloria lives within all of us now! Another ‘thank you’ for the Love that still lives






    I found that it all lead me towards dispassion and I thank them all from my heart for all the experiences that they gave which made me enquire and try to see within !!



    That opener fits this idea


    Death creates dispassion in any person in any country. It's a reality of life which is seen. We struggle for our whole lives for possessions, for pleasure, and for self-gratification. And then what do we see? A person is dead.

    Perhaps the idea of dispassion is moot?

    If you live your whole life believing you are here for nothing than be nothing but if you understand ‘life’ then live.

    If you were on your death bed and knew you were still alive in all that you have done, then you would smile as if the change from life to death was just like sleeping.

    To know that the trees planted, the children raised, the flowering life of all your contributions were not in vain. That the energy of your life (existence) is alive within the gifts you contributed to others and life to continue; then you can experience the bliss of ever lasting life and know it, passionately.

    Dispassion is to remember you should not put selfish emotions or attachments to things over awareness of others or ‘the common’ first.

    But how can a choice be dispassionate? Meaning how can you take a step forward without intent? So without true understanding; be selfless and aware. (old school)

    With ‘understanding’ be most passionate about life. (the new)

    Live in what you do; the experienced choice.

  12. Peace can exist if the rules of truth can be understood equally between all.



    Wisdom from a Friend; Skippy


    "Each particle that awakens contributes in service to the whole." 2008




    share what is good!


    With compassion, with pure Love; for life!





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  13. Watz good?


    'Support life to continue'


    that is the absolute truth to existence.


    Doing things to make yourself feel holy or of acceptable ritual to man, is self gratifying.


    Watz good for existence? Support life to continue!


    Give of yourself for life!



    and for comparison; Bad: Loss to the common!



    so when of an experience of choice; what do you choose?


    Good or Bad?

  14. http://www.gosai.com/chaitanya/saranagati/html/guardians_fs.html



    bhakti yoga - the science of self-realization





    His Divine Grace Srila A.C.




    Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada





    discovering the self

    Who are you?... Are you your body? Or your mind? Or are you something higher? Do you know who you are, or do you merely think you know? And does it really matter? Our materialistic society, with its unenlightened leadership, has made it virtually taboo to inquire into our real, higher self. Instead we use our valuable time maintaining, decorating, and pampering the body for its own sake. Might there be an alternative?









    within the body of text there is a few items that can be observed



    It is the duty of every human being to understand his constitutional position with God and to act accordingly. If this is possible, then our lives become successful







    This Krsna consciousness movement is not blind religious fanaticism, nor is it a revolt by some recent upstart; rather, it is an authorized, scientific approach to the matter of our eternal necessity in relation with the Absolute Personality of Godhead, the Supreme Enjoyer. Krsna consciousness simply deals with our eternal relationship with Him and the process of discharging our relative duties to Him. Thus, Krsna consciousness enables us to achieve the highest perfection of life attainable in the present human form of existence.




    We must always remember that this particular form of human life is attained after an evolution of many millions of years in the cycle of transmigration of the spirit soul.





    so it seems that the evolution of life and knowledge should be understood as well the suggestion of the 'scientific approach' is where it appears that the intend of bhakti must remain honest to the evolution of knowledge honoring the scientific aspects as well.



    Not that seeking the gains of possession is at all merited as the sciences are often geared for but that true understanding and that evolution to knowledge exists within.



    Perhaps a few of the elders can share a little on this.




  15. Cycles can be seen right here on the education thread;


    In a monist view of reality, ‘evolution theory’ and ‘intelligent design’ can both be true. Intelligent design refers to the underlying 'oneness' of reality, and evolution theory describes the manifest consequences of intelligent design in material reality. Evolution theory in biology is like quantum mechanics in physics. Both models describe material reality quite accurately (at different geometrical scales), and (as yet) both models are 'incomplete'.
    Growth in understanding with eyes of compassion and the foundations of progress for the good of knowledge.


    In terms of regulative principles they do differ. But when explaining the spirit soul, there is no contradiction. Have you ever notice that?
    Sharing equality of spirit within all mankind no matter the beliefs but within the soul. Or perfectly stated


    The Lord is for everyone even for the less intelligent to the most intelligent.

    little compares to the mind of equality


    I always found Buddhism to be quite depressing in practice but once I read Prabhupada's Srimad Bhagavatam it cleared everything up in regards to the Buddha and his incarnation. I love the concept of the Buddha as a divine trickster so to speak
    Which shares how even the greatest teachers can be misinterpreted and often cause separations.

    that shares how gaps widen.


    I think people like this are initially attracted to this stuff due to the peaceful ritualism of it or something

    then a perfect closing


    “That is first-class religion which teaches how to love God, how to learn to love God.”

    That is first class, not the rituals, not the formulas. That is another thing. Just like when a man is diseased, the physicians prescribes so many, that “You don’t do this. You do this. You take this medicine. You just…” That is according to the particular disease. But the real aim is to be cured from the disease.

    So any religion which teaches to be cured from the material disease of sense gratification and teaches love of Godhead, that is perfect religion

    Kind of nice to see the idea of NO RITUALs…….


    IS that the first sign of true faith and the beginning of Understanding? Perhaps the idea of 'Why waste the time on self satifaction?', when to learn and devote all for the progress is bhakti of service.

    So the education continues under the thread of Buddhism….


    Lesson learned;

    Seek the wisdom from even a car wreck.

  16. to prepare the knowledge of truth for the children is the choice of good


    imagine if each child could be in understanding with knowledge that allows all to combine and never have to be in doubt of truth ever again


    then every pursuit can be in pure harmony with God by choice


    Peace unfolds by knowledge


    3 from each color of man, makes 12; and a friend to sit that 13th chair


    Reality is one without a second.
    here hear, a resounding agreement


    But then every philosophy can claim their understanding is the supreme truth by citing the very same reasons you did, isn't it? You can never accept or deny their understanding, can you? How do you prove the infallibility of the scriptures?

    fallibility should not be the quest; but to observe the purpose

    observe the meaning

    the truth lives compassionately; the teachers are people too

    never has a single unit of living man had the combining knowledge into one, otherwise the last chapter would have already been written

    so can any single set of literature share what life is, and the true meaning of good and bad?

    That is what the real debate of mankind is! To understand life and how to choose.

    Everything else is wrestling of mind between opinions.


    An excerpt from John Dobson's book Advaita Vedanta & Modern Science

    "We can understand the attraction between the proton and the electron as the undividedness seen in the duality, just as we can understand the gravitational attraction of the protons for each other as the undividedness seen in the plurality. As a member of the duality, the proton sees itself (if we may use such language) as separated from the electron. As a member of the plurality, it sees itself as separated from the rest of the universe.


    this person is defining by combining 2 areas of thought; bravo!

    This is what Prabhupada did when bringing the Gita into the West. Each gave to share understanding (Godhead)……..

    Please stay tuned as the missing elements to perfect it are identified.


    The perspective of isolation is what divides.


    But in either case it sees itself as small, and we can understand the self- repulsion of like charge as simply the infinitude seen in the apparent smallness. The gravitational energy of the primordial hydrogen can be understood as priya, the undivided seen in the apparently divided.
    Gravity is entangled energy between mass; neither ffice:smarttags" /><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comaudarya<st1:City><st1:place>Newton</st1:place></st1:City> nor the world has ever known what it is. But Einstein and Schrödinger did recognize that ‘spooky action at a distance’


    The electrical energy of the primordial hydrogen can be understood as bhati, the infinite seen in the apparently finite. Bhati and Priya drive the change in which the changeless is seen as Asti, inertia. In the great-space, this is our primordial hydrogen. It arises through apparition, through the appearance of pairs of opposites, space against time, mass against energy, gravity against electricity, plus against minus and spin-up against spin-down, without any change in the changeless.
    The entangled mass of time. That wheel is existence (God) itself.

    That missing link is combining the property of light (entanglement) within the sciences. It is not addressed in any math of cosmology; that is what brings in the scientific paradigm shift. Energy itself is light and the error from Planck’s constant will not allow this comprehension to unfold, mathematically.

    We have also seen how, through relativity theory, modern science has been driven to the conclusion that the nature of the reality which underlies the multifarious diversity in the world of our perceptions must be changeless, infinite and undivided.

    Which all of existence is ONE.

    All mass (corporeal), all energy (the spirit), all time (the transcendent): Existence itself, revealed in change.

    That is what all (things) exists within; GOD!

    And that pinnacle of man’s existence is for mass to comprehend how it exists.

    We can Understand!

    And the method of unfolding this is to combine the knowledge of the 4 colors of mankind, within a frame (of light), in which the physical can be understood combined with the spirit of life (God). This offers each the ability to know God and have the responsibility within each choice.

    Allowing the pure rules of Good and Bad to be understood in the pure literal sense of mass and energy within all that is. (existence/God)

    Good: supports life

    Bad: loss to the common

    That is what the choice made a long time ago is all about; sharing the absolute truth!

    Existence only operates ONE way, and it is by combining the knowledge of mankind that the truth reveals itself.

  18. this was copied from anothers post but reveals much more than many might realize;


    can you see what this paragraph suggests?



    In Krsna Book, Srila Prabhupada wrote:

    "The Krsna consciousness movement is a call to all kinds of religionists asking them with great authority to join this movement by which one can learn how to love God and thus surpass all formulas and formalities of scriptural injunction. A person who cannot overcome the jurisdiction of stereotyped religious principles is compared to an animal chained up by his master. The purpose of all religion is to understand God and develop one's dormant love of Godhead. If one simply sticks to the religious formulas and formalities and does not become elevated to the position of love of God, he is considered to be a chained animal."


    please share your points of view and allow the teaching of truth to share just how important honesty is over maintaining beliefs......



  19. So let's look at a teacher



    In Krsna Book, Srila Prabhupada wrote:


    "The Krsna consciousness movement is a call to all kinds of religionists asking them with great authority to join this movement by which one can learn how to love God and thus surpass all formulas and formalities of scriptural injunction. A person who cannot overcome the jurisdiction of stereotyped religious principles is compared to an animal chained up by his master. The purpose of all religion is to understand God and develop one's dormant love of Godhead. If one simply sticks to the religious formulas and formalities and does not become elevated to the position of love of God, he is considered to be a chained animal."




    and then the opposing set of ideas








    HeeHee is right to say the statements of the Vedas are not facts.


    The statements of sages in the Vedas are things you can grasp only through faith and devotion. You will never understand the Veda if you cling to the empirical, analytical method as your preferred method of gaining knowledge.


    But HeeHee, you should realize that the Vedas are different from knowledge you can get in this world, such as scientific knowledge about uranium atoms. Only through association of saints, and through devotedly following the saint's teachings, can a follower realize knowledge of the Veda. In the Kathopanishad the god Yama tells a student that only when Knowledge of Visnu is communicated to you by your Guru, the Divinely-Realized Saint, only then when it comes to you as a Gift of Grace will you be able to realize the proper understanding of Visnu "As He Is".


    Before real realization of Visnu comes, you only have a vague concept of Visnu; a concept clouded by the haze of your erroneous thinking. Your misconceptions and your prejudices block you from seeing reality. In Sanskrit, this haze is called chit-abhasa, and the way this haze functions is that it is like an hallucination that you choose to focus on, instead of blinking and waking up to see things as they really are.


    We can get a hazy idea of Visnu from books and meditation, but only when Lord Visnu reveals Himself in your heart will you realize him "As He Is". People who have no inner realization will argue about the meaning of statements made by by-gone sages, and argue about the meaning of words in the scriptures, but it is all wild-goose-chasing. Look inside and find the real Truth, before you start talking or pretending to be a great KNOWER of Truth. The bizarre reality of modern day Vaisnavism is that there are clueless people everywhere (especially on the internet) who have no DIRECT KNOWLEDGE of Krishna, who are trying to convince other people (and especially ignorant people) to agree with their mistaken, clueless conclusions about Krishna.


    Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura wrote that the words in the scriptures are all words spoken by people. But these people who spoke the words of the Vedas are not ordinary people who squabble about religion. The Veda-Rishis who spoke the Veda are inspired people who are awake to the Everlasting Reality of Param-Brahman.


    Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura says the words of the Vedas express the thoughts of sages who had received a spritual revelation of Truth (darshan) from the Abolute Being. Sages such as Visvamitra heard the Vedas during their meditation, and thus it was that Visvamitra was the first person in this world to pronounce the gayatri mantra "om bhu bhuvah svah tat savituh varenyam bhargo devasya dhimahi" etc....


    From Visvamitra and other Rishis the knowlege of the Veda has come down to us through various Guru Parampara successions. There are Parampara's following the teachings of Tulsidas, Valmiki and Sri Ramayana, Parampara's coming from Sri Adi Sankarachaya Bhagavatapada, and many different Parampara branches coming from Sri Caitanya. Among all of these groups following ancient traditions, where are the people who actually KNOW Lord Narayana? That is the real thing to find out! Those people who KNOW can give you darshan of Lakshmi Narayana - if you can find them! But I will give you a word of caution: Don't expect to find those people here at Audarya Forums because if you do you will be making a big mistake.


    At the same time, you don't need to have faith or bhakti to realize brahma-nirvana since every one of us is Brahman anyhow; it is a relatively simple thing to realize your own self but realizing the transcendental Supreme Self, the Param-Brahman Sri Krishna, can only be achieved through faith and devotion and service to an enlightened Guru sent to you by Krishna.


    The Buddhist sages who communicated Buddha's teachings to the people of India also transmitted a kind of faith. And in the Gita, Sri Krishna says that according to a person's faith and understanding they accept different belief systems as "Truth" and then follow the precepts of that belief system.


    Believe what you want to believe, and go where you want to go.



    seems to me, that the priority begins with integrity over and above complacency.


    Meaning to remain honest and of pure compassion, then the truth supercedes beliefs.


    And them that suggest otherwise are the selfish!


    Keep your eyes open, you can see the difference, quite clearly!


    No this is NOT debating. If I say, a young boy becomes a man and this man becomes an old man and this old man will finally die, is this debating? No, it is fact. If someone says, oh this is an individual's religious opinion, what is this?
    still an opinion.


    debating opinions is normal; debating fact is ........ wierd, in my opinion



    Similarly everything what sastra says is not debate/opinion/sentiment but fact.
    that the words come from that opinion, you bet.....



    When Krsna says in Bhagavad-gita, we're His eternal parts, made in His own image and meant for a lifestyle of eternal life, full of bliss and knowledge, then this is not debate but reality.
    That is what all faiths have as their coming promise; that's pretty universal.



    If some people come up with the idea, oh it is good to dissolve my existence, I want to become nothing, zero, happily annihilated, this is an insult against our Creator.
    Now we are back to an opinion. That is the opinion of what one suggests another meant.



    Just like a child attempting to kill itself. Will the mother be pleased?
    Is the Mother, Rosanne?



    Since this is not a debate I'll give you the answer which is not an opinion but plain fact.
    Are you God? Otherwise you keep coming back to facts based on opinions and it is so confusing.



    No, the mother will not be pleased, saying, I feel so happy now that my child found peace by killing itself!
    a martyr?


    i thought we were talking about... Buddhism is an Education- Not a Religion!


    the only way to stop suicides is to give our children the truth once and for all.


    Perhaps this is a Key :):


    8.9 One should meditate upon the Supreme Person as the one who knows everything, as He who is the oldest, who is the controller, who is smaller than the smallest, who is the maintainer of everything, who is beyond all material conception, who is inconceivable, and who is always a person. He is luminous like the sun and, being transcendental, is beyond this material nature.


    the compassion known, felt, observed and real; then be happy to realize each can understand the truth, equally.


    We are of this existence together; so observing the knowledge to combine all into the One, is purposed, inevitable and as promised.


    "Honor the intent", there're surely lots of people who accomplish to manoeuvre themselves into such suffering condition that self-annihilation becomes a pleasure, a relief
    are we debating?


    shall we suggest perhaps repeating a name is a form of 'pleasure, a relief'?


    such the same with the rituals of praying.....



    "Honor the intent", why someone with sanity and reason, good quality of life, good joie of vivre, groove, should honor the intent when someone commits suicide by saying, "may be he seeked for the good"?


    such is exactly the same mindset any could have 'against' any other religion or sect.


    Meaning if each person was focused on some of the idiocracies of the other

    then what 'good' is being accomplished.


    Perhaps try and remember, people make serious fun at the ideas of chanting.


    Does that mean the 'intent of good' is not worth observing?




    In our country we unfortunately have a high suicide rate
    and the only way to address the confusions and dividing force that inhabit the minds of the children is to be compassionate in observing what the delusional cause may be. Much of the cause is the idea of having nothing 'good' to offer.



    , n. In the Buddhist religion, a state of pleasurable annihilation awarded to the wise, particularly to those wise enough to understand it.”


    - Ambrose Bierce (American Writer, Journalist and Editor, 1842-1914)





    debate is good, and offers ideas to share and observe but to be focused on the opinions of others over observing the data personally, shares a lust to remain compliant to a bias......


    it would be like me suggesting, 'well if Bush thinks its OK to bark at Russia for stopping the Georgian military advance then it must be correct'


    A. Bierce is not speaking on behalf of anyone but himself. ie.. a journalist; you debating the 'good and intent' of Buddhism based on the words from an AMERICAN journalist?


    Opening doors is of good medicine, closing them shares much to be desired.


    How about a Nobel Award winner as a quality quote to observe;


    "Even then it was clear to socially minded people that the openness of the possibilities was an opportunity, and that doubt and discussion were essential to progress into the unknown. If we want to solve a problem that we have never solved before, we must leave the door to the unknown ajar. ...


    What are the main items that observing knowledge of the elders offers for Peace among each?


    Is it the magical aspects?


    The companionship?


    The methods of compassionate awareness?


    What are the key items that bring us together under this branch of understanding?


    This could be enlightening to all, so be kind and honest, so we can all learn.


    Thank you



    can opinions be made in this subject matter?


    It is about negation, to turn God, your soul and God's creation into zero, nothing.


    Perhaps the variety of interpretations are the error verus the initial teachers intent.


    For example; Jesus represented a quality set of compassionate understanding and it was them who interpretated the guiding words, that changed much of the meanings.


    SO rather than discount the initial teaching perhaps honor the intent and seek the good.



    So this is the world we live in, mixed opinions, different views. It's all about duality in this world.
    duality is like the husband and wife, together with a like purpose


    yet, for the wife to discount the husband or vise versus share little compassion for the intent of the unit


    Peace to you

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