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Raghu did it for the sake of attacking.Anyway thank you raghu or clearing kaiserose's doubts.

Saibaba is worshipped and beleived by many people,even swaminarayan is an avtar i guess.Dont you know there are many shkatyvesh avtars.

Sarg 17 - Sugreev's As Raam's arrow hit Baali, Baali fell down on the ground. On his falling the earth became like its Moon lost in the skies. But his gem-studded gold pendant given by Indra sustained his life, grace and bravery. His body, chest-plate and arrow of Raam were the only three splendors crafted on him. He fell like yayaati fell from Swarg Lok. Raam and Lakshman went near Baali with high regard for him. Baali said harsh words politely but rightfully to Raam - "You are a son of a renowned king, You are gracious, brave, merciful, protector of poor and sad people, and bear good character. Everybody praises you on this earth. Deciding on these attributes although Taaraa asked me not to fight with Sugreev but still I fought with him. How can you kill somebody who is fighting with another one and who is not vigilant about you. Since it was not apt for you, and I didn't see you either in the battlefield, I fought with Sugreev. But you will kill me like this, I never thought of this. You are sinner like an ash-covered fire, you are an evil soul, you are proud of your Dharm, I didn't know that. You proved to be unfaithful as a well covered by grass. What did I do bad in your country? I eat only fruits and roots and live in forests; and I was not fighting with you but with another. You are born in Kshatriya family as a prince, learned in Ved, and are the form of Dharm then why did you do this kind of ruthless deed. We are only wild animals and have animal-like nature too, but you didn't even think about justice or injustice being born in Raghu dynasty. What is your purpose behind killing me? [because you are Supreme Being there must be some purpose behind killing me. If you have killed me in search of Seetaa, then I would have brought Her in one day and that also without killing] Saam, Daam, and Bhed are kingly policies but they may not work with me because I am not equal to you in kingship; only Dand (punishment) may work with me as I have committed wrongs. Just behavior, politeness, Nigrah (control) and Anugrah (request) are said as Raaj Dharm, but since you act as you wish, that is why you are greedy and childish. You don't know your Dharm at all. You acted under the control of your Indriyaan. You killed a faultless person, what will you answer for it in nobles' community. Hey Raam, The killer of cow, killer of Braahman, killer of thief, killer of a king and killer of people and those human beings who are not faithful, complaining nature, greedy, unfaithful to friend and desire for Guru's wife; and who marry before their elders - all go to hell. My skin is unwearable by people, my hair and bones are also forbidden, also my flesh is not to be eaten. Five of five-nailed animals are eaten by Braahman and Kshatriya. A kind of wild rodent, lizard, and wild boar, and tortoise and me (monkey) skin and bones are not to be touched, and such a five-nailed animal is killed now. When I was coming to fight, Taaraa stopped me, but I came here under the spell of Kaal and I didn't pay any attention to her. How were you evil-minded and artful born to Raajaa Dashrath like great soul? [He was truly not the physical son of Raajaa Dashrath who used to weigh sin and merit and good and evil]. If you had fought with me, I am sure Yam must have seen you killed by me. If you have killed me only to please Sugreev, you could have told me earlier. If you have told me your mission before, I would have brought Seetaa in one day only from that Raakshas, whether he would have been in Paataal or in sea. After my death, Sugreev will get this kingdom, this is justified but my killing is not." Baali got silent after saying this because he was in pain. Sarg 18 - Raam Justifies Himself to Kill Baali Baali thus said these polite words to Raam. Raam said to him politely - "Hey Baali, you are insulting me because of your little knowledge and want to advise me from your Vaanar childlike wisdom. This whole earth belongs to Ikshwaaku Vanshee kings, that is why they have full right to punish faulty people [baali's 4th question: "in your country or city, I did no misdeed..." - so when earth belongs to Ikshwaaku Vansh, you are not separate from it]. Presently pious, truthful, dear Bharat is ruling Prithvi and who can act A-Dharm (immoral) in his kingdom? We are taking care of A-Dharmee people in the same line. Your actions are not good according to a king. [baali's 5th question: "Non-guilty is being hurt" - his guilt was that he was not abiding with king's conduct] Hey Baali, Elder brother, father and Guru, these three are considered like father and younger brother and son and disciples are considered as sons. Who understand it like this they know Dharm. Hey Vaanar Raaj, The very minute and infallible soul which lives in all living beings, it alone knows the just and unjust. But you are only a Vaanar, that is why your mind is childlike, then how can you know about Dharm? If you ask anything from a person who is blind by birth, how much truth can he tell you? [baali's 8th question: "Your primary aspiration is to kill without probing into good or bad.." - since I alone am the supreme soul residing in all creatures so only I alone will decide what is wrong and what is right]. You have illicit relationship with your younger brother's wife Roomaa who is like your daughter and I have killed you for the same crime. [With this enough reason Raam explains why He had killed Baali. Baali's 10th question: "unnecessary killers go to Hell.." - you are not unnecessarily killed, killing a sinner is no sin]. That is why you should not be sad. I don't see any other means to control you other than elimination. [baali's 2nd question: "you have not punished the wrongdoer" - all the formalities are observed with kings of equal status, you are a very small king so you are straightway eliminated]. Since I come from Kshatriya caste, it is sin to have illicit relationship with sister, or daughter, or brother's wife. Punishment for such a person in scriptures is elimination. Bharat is king, we are only Raajaa's people. And Bharat is very particular about punishing lusty people. Hey Baali, As I am the friend of Lakshman, I have the same relationship with Sugreev also and that relationship is very important for me. [baali's 13th question: I would have brought Maithilee in one day.." - Raam wanted help in searching Seetaa only not to bring Her to Him. Only Raam had to kill Raavan]. I promised him to punish you according to Dharm which I did. So you should also consider this punishment according to Dharm. Now you listen to another thing which may calm your anger. I have no repentance for killing you from hiding, because human beings always shoot birds and animals etc from hiding. Meat eaters prey running animals and thy are not considered criminals. Raajaa always prey, that is why I killed you at the time of fighting, doesn't matter with whom you were fighting. But I have killed you considering you as a Vaanar. You should not doubt that wealth and life are given by Raaja only and because Raajaa is like Devtaa, therefore he should not be insulted nor one should speak before him. You don't know anything about Dharm and you are insulting me and my family who has been following Dharm since ancient times, in anger. Manu Smriti says that if a sinner is punished he goes to Swarg but the king who doesn't punish a sinner carries his sins. Whatever is sin is acquired by a murderer, the same sin is acquired by executing an innocent. Kings are not to be rebuked, also no reproach is to be spoken against because they are divinities in human form. . But you are continuously reviling me who is persisting in righteousness." After hearing this Baali didn't consider Raam wrong, because he got the knowledge of Dharm through Him. Then he said to Raam with his palms joined together - "Whatever you are saying that is true, but whatever I said to you in A-Gyaan, it was undesirable and improper. Please do not consider me wrong for it. I said that in ignorance. Now I am in your protection, I don't have any other sorrow except Angad with golden bracelets . He is still a child and I have brought him up with lots of love. He will be very sad in my absence. As you feel about Bharat and Lakshman, in the same way treat Angad and Sugreev. Sugreev can get even Prithvi's kingdom by your grace. Do not punish Taaraa for my wrongdoings and let not Sugreev slight her away." Raam consoled Baali and said - "Hey Baali, You should not worry about anything, because we have already considered these issues before you said them. You have got a good Gati because of the punishment of your crime. Leave sorrow, Moh (intense love), fear because you cannot change your fate." Baali said - "What I said in ignorance, please forgive me for that."

Of course raghus intentions are clear,hell demean any religion whether ramakrishna,yogananda hare krishna.For him his dvaita is ultimate. Im really sorry sir.I was finding the verse nos. 1)Chaitanya is not a main avtar dont you know that taht s why hes not on the list.I dont have much information on mahaprabu but there was a movie,i have heard vaishnavs and others accepting his avtar status. 2)which guru?i dont get you here. 3) maybe because nobody from the vaishnavs has done word to word commentary and translation of these puraaans.The bhagwat shlokas which are there have been mentioned. 4)i dont know about this mohammed being mentioned.

Garuda purana has 19000, narada purana 24thousand shlokas shlokas.So raghu have you gone through all. Can you give the word by word translation of garuda purana.

You shouldnt have left things half said raghu likes to attack you.and he will do it in every given way.

http://nitaaiyoga.com/nitaiveda/vedas_1.html This shows chaitanyas coming. Check these.

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Corruption thats the problem.Not only in religion but all over.It is in every little occupation,hobby business.The once dharm following people of india are now corrupted.

Ok now youre blaming their philosophy.You mean to say only youre religion is true.

. Youve written half.Heres what thiest said and what he meant Ok i got you .Thiest must have made a mistake .Im sorry.

The garuda purana ,narad puraan nobody has dones word by word translation.So it is difficult to provide.Youll have to ask someone from iskcon for that.

It is said that the mann is the doer and the enjoyer.Your mind creates happiness according to the mode of nature you possess at that time. People say that you attach your mind towards god.So is the feeling of devotion Another creation of mind or is real devotion different.

Tell me when someone is experiencing bliss derived out of sadhna or chanting is it the same as happiness derived when you know youve passed an exam or something else that gives you happiness.IS it the same hapinesss you get when you make others happy by donating something etc or is it different..

blame not muslims and christians also.

hey whose leaving cheap comments on my reputation. Its either one of you hindustani,sambya or jnd but i dont think anyone of you would do such a thing.But only you three are on pg2 where the post of mine whose basis someone has pasted cheap things is. Wait it can be ganesh prasad.That little creep certainly has no respect. And you people say hare krishnas are the one who talk cheap.

Do you want to do it legally then change your name and the things requirde by law.

Chaitanya Mahaaprabhu (Chap 19) Soot Jee said - "After telling the grace of all Devtaa, Brihaspati himself produced his part from his mouth and was born in Braahman Yoni. He was born as the son of Brahmdatt of Ishtikaa Nagaree and his name was Ropan. He propagated for wearing garland knitted in cotton thread, to apply Teekaa mixed with water, doing Jaap of Vaasudev Mantra. He came to Krishn Chaitanya and started worshipping Krishn after taking his blanket by his permission. Now you listen to about Vishnu by listening to which all fear are gone. When Chaitanya became five years old, Eeshwar Puree was shining in Bengal province. He had attained special Siddhi (Power) through worship of Shaaradaa (Saraswatee Devee). This gave a place to pride in his mind. Once he came to Shaantipur and started doing Paath of a Divine passage written by himself. At the same time Chaitanya Mahaaprabhu came to be happened there. He said to praying Eeshwar Puree - "Mahaatman, Your work seems faulty." Hearing this Eeshwar Puree got surprised. Seeing her own Bhakt embarrassed, Shaaradaa said to him - "He is Yagyaansh Hari Krishn Chaitanya in person." Hearing this Eeshwar Puree became his disciple and a worshipper of Krishn. There was a Shreedhar named Braahman who worshipped Shiv Jee. Once king of Pattan Nagar heard Mad-Bhaagvat 7-day story from him and gave lots of money to him. He came to his in-law's house with that money. There he lived for one month and then proceeded towards his own house. Seven thieves also followed them with bad intentions taking oath of Raam. On the way, in a forest, at its other end they killed Shreedhar and ran away with his wife and the wealth filled bullock cart. His wife looked at back repeatedly. Thieves said - "What ere you looking at that side, your husband is already dead." She said - "I am looking at that Raam whose oath you took." At this Raam appeared there, He killed those seven thieves and brought dead Shreedhar alive. Then He sent him to Vrindaa Van. From that day he became Vaishnav. When Yagyaansh Chaitanya became seven years old, he went to Shaanti Puree, got Brahm Gyaan from Chaitanya Dev and became his disciple. Later he wrote commentary on Mad-Bhaagvat." Soot Jee further said - "There used to live a learned Braahman named Raam Sharmaa. Once he did Jaap of Panchaakshar (5-Akshar) Mantra of Shiv Jee waking the whole night on Shiv Raatri day in Avikteshwar. Shankar got pleased with his worship, and asked him to ask for a Var. He did Pranaam to him and said - "Prabho, You live in whose heart, let that Devtaa live in my heart." Hearing this Maheshwar laughed and said - "I always meditate on Raam, Lakshman and Balabhadra Jee, so you also have them and be happy." After that Raam Sharmaa became the worshipper of Raam. When Krishn Chaitanya became 12 years old, then he came to him, became his disciple and started worshipping him. He wrote "Adhyaatm Raamaayan" at the order of Krishn Chaitanya.* * Note - Although Raam Sharmaa has been told here as the writer of Adhyaatm Raamaayan, but often all learned people consider it a work by Vyaas Dev. Aanand Raamaayan also admires this work. Hey Muni, Jeevaanand (Jeev Goswaamee) came to Shaanti Puree with Roopaanand (Roop Goswaamee) hearing about Chaitanya Mahaaprabhu. They both became his disciples. Jeevaanand wrote Shat-Sandarbh. Roopaanand and Roopaanand wrote Krishn Khand of 10,000 Shlok. Aftersome time Vishnu Swaamee also came there. After saluting 19-year old Krishn Chaitanya, he asked him - "Who is the respectable Devtaa for all Devtaa in the whole Universe?" Mahaaprabhu said -"Mahaadev is the most respectable Devtaa who is kind to his Bhakt. Vishnu, Rudra, Brahmaa etc all Devtaa worship him. Whoever Vishnu Bhakt do Shiv Poojaa, they attain Vaishnavee Bhakti by the grace of Shiv." Then he started worshipping Shiv doing Jaap of Krishn Mantra. He wrote Vaishnavee Sanhitaa. Krishn's Bhakt Madhwaachaarya also came there and became his disciple. Chaitanya in Jagannaath Puree Soot Jee said - "Shiv Bhakt Bhattojideekshit came to Chaitanya Mahaaprabhu and accepted his discipleship. He explained Ved's 3rd part Vyaakaran which was already written by Paanini, and wrote "Siddhaant Kaumudee". Soorya Bhakt Varaahmiri named learned man came to Chaitanya Mahaaprabhu when he was 22 years old and became his disciple. He wrote several books on astrology.* Shiv Bhakt Vaanee Bhooshan became his disciple when he was 23 years old. Vaanee Bhooshan wrote Chhand Shaastra. * Note - Varaahmihir was one of the nine gems of Vikramaaditya's court. He has written several books which have been commented by Utpal Bhatt etc. Chaitanya Mahaaprabhu's time perios is supposed to be 14th century. Then came a Brahm Bhakt Dhanvantari named Braahman who accepted his discipleship and wrote Vedaang. There were his other disciples also apart from Sushrut. Buddha follower Jayadev also came to 25 year old Chaitanya. Chaitanya said to him - "Your prime Devtaa is Jagannaath Jee of Udeesaa, I should also go there with my disciples." So all of them went to Jagannaath Puree. All Siddhi and Nidhi came to serve them. Along with Shaiv and Shaakt, 10,000 Vaishnav went to Puree. Seeing him coming Bhagavaan Jagannath Jee came there in disguise of a Braahman. Krishn Chaitanya asked - "In this Kali Yug which path do you consider the most appropriate, I wish to hear it with its elements." Jagannaath Jee said - "Mlechchh of Mishra Desh, ruled by Kaashyap, have attained Braahmanship. They have kept Shikhaa, studied Ved and worshipped Indra. Being sad with this, Indra came to me in Shwet Dweep and prayed me. I gave him Var that I would be born in Kali Yug and I asked Indra also 12 Aaditya to be born here. I am born as Daarupaashaan on the banks of Sindhu River. I will stay in the temple built by Indradyumn named king. Mahaaprabhu Chaitanya will tell the importance of this place. This place fulfills all wishes. There is no need to do any Vrat etc in the . I am the destroyer of all sins in Kali Yug

You are always ready to not beleive.NOt only hare krishnas beleive in chaitanya mahaprabhu but there are others also,but you dont beleive in ram or krishna also what to talk about chatianya mahaprabhu.

I see only raghu making such statements and you always joking about hare krishna philossophy.Show me some posts or tell me which one then i can also see.

You mean to say these acharyas never read the vedas.Certainly you must know that to understand what message is in the vedas is no easy thing. The vedas upanishads and puraan all were read by them.And they had beaten thousands of so called vedantists.So instead of saying that worshipping narayan is not based on vedik knowledge you say people do it just because out of devotion.Do you know sanakkadi muni,naarad etc.all high learned people doing niraaakar pooja all leaned in vedas were all into worshipping and serving the supreme lord krishna. your conception of vedik age is what historians say ,but youl not beleive what the acharyas say abuot the satyuga,kaliyuga treta yuga.

What proof do you want.All these advaitists are not advaitists and you know truly what is advait.All these renowned great saints are not advait but what you think is advait is the real advait. OK TELL ME IS THIS ALSO UNTRUE Brahman According to Adi Shankara, God, the Supreme Cosmic Spirit or Brahman (pronounced [ˈbrəh.mən]; nominative singular Brahma, [ˈbrəh.mə]) is the One, the whole and the only reality. Other than Brahman, everything else, including the universe, material objects and individuals, are false. Brahman is at best described as that infinite, omnipresent, omnipotent, incorporeal, impersonal, transcendent reality that is the divine ground of all Being. Brahman is often described as neti neti meaning "not this, not this" because it cannot be correctly described as this or that. It is the origin of this and that, the origin of forces, substances, all of existence, the undefined, the basis of all, unborn, the essential truth, unchanging, eternal, the absolute. How can it be properly described as something in the material world when itself is the basis of reality? Brahman is also beyond the senses, it would be akin a blind man trying to correctly describe color. It (grammatically neutral, but exceptionally treated as masculine), though not a substance, is the basis of the material world, which in turn is its illusionary transformation. Brahman is not the effect of the world. Brahman is said to be the purest knowledge itself, and is illuminant like a source of infinite light. Due to ignorance (avidyā), the Brahman is visible as the material world and its objects. The actual Brahman is attributeless and formless (see Nirguna Brahman). It is the Self-existent, the Absolute and the Imperishable (not generally the object of worship but rather of meditation)[citation needed]. Brahman is actually indescribable. It is at best "Satchidananda" (merging "Sat" + "Chit" + "Ananda", ie, Infinite Truth, Infinite Consciousness and Infinite Bliss). Also, Brahman is free from any kind of differences. It does not have any sajātīya (homogeneous) differences because there is no second Brahman. It does not have any vijātīya (heterogeneous) differences because there is nobody in reality existing other than Brahman. It has neither svagata (internal) differences, because Brahman is itself homogeneous Avdhut shivanand.

Nobobdy is forcing anybody.

Thank you for the information and advise.But you i think dont have faith in any of the learned jagadgurus or selfrealised saints.Certainly youre not accepting their authority.Besides vedas are for brahmins.I even after reading the vedas might not be able to decode it.

If you want vedas and hidusim in one story read the mahabharat.