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"He looked at light and decided it was good." He LOOKED sambya.He LOOKED. Do you know what is the Purusha Sukta? It is filled with the indications of the PErson of the Supreme Lord Narayana. It is a different thing that some unintelligent people need NAMES.Actual NAMES to be specified. Don't worry.Vedavyasa ji was All knowing.There is Subala Shruti too for such people. There is the Devi Geeta.Is there Not ? There is Shiva Geeta.Is there Not ? And there is Bhagavat Geeta. Now Sripada Shankaracharya commented on this last Geeta.And what did he happen to state ??? Sri Krsna is Shada aisvarya sampanna Bhagavan. You might ask ,"Ranjeet why should I accept what shankaracharya says ?" Well,then accept what Ramanujacharya says. No ? Nimbarkacharya ? No? Vallabhacharya? No? Madhvacharya? No? Then I'm sorry.Do whatever you want.I suggest Osho.He is one rotten fruit that has fallen far from the tree of acharyas.

Christianity denies IDOL worship.agreed. Do you even know how Idol worship is defined in christianity??? Idol worshipping is making an idol inspired from NAture and/or speculative faculty. Eg.. The pagans etc.. who worship nature and a sad scholar who concocted an image of a Nature woman and declared that she should be worshipped. The above link clarifies this point much better(read: From an ACTUAL christian.) Any sane person should believe that ,"You shall have no other gods before Me" is along the same lines as Sri Krsna Declares in the geeta,"Demigod worship..don't do it." BESIDES...The Vaishnavacharyas dont give two hoots if Christianity accepts the truth or no.God reveals Himself fully in the Vedic literatures,Bhagvatam and the Geeta.These scriptures are self sufficient and supreme.If you don't think so...kindly join Jehad or something. ...When the Vaishnavacharyas say ''Allah,Yahweh refer to the same supreme Lord." It is meant that they have incomplete conceptions of God...The vedas are crystal clear: Jnana,Karma and bhakti.These are the three paths with which you attain that Supreme Lord. There is no other way.To support this fact,the tattva of Karma is glaringly obvious. You have inclinations towards the attainment of God ? You are born here,in bharatvarsa. You don't ? You are born in west. You are addicted to ganja but still have sentiments for the Lord? You are born during a time when a mahabhagavata travels to the west and you happen to meet him. Dont believe me ? Then is say it again : Go and join Jehad or become a naked Jain.Don't eat our heads.

This is conversation with an Actual CRISTIAN SCHOLAR and Satyaraja Dasa: http://www.vconline.biz/2004/04novdec/garuda%20vs%20cherub%20short%20version.pdf Mount of Yahweh..etc IS described INDEED. Chandu...I have read some of the bible...and it only leads to one thing: God is Infinitely kind and we should Love Him. I can see no one(except kaisersose) who proposes that any person can LOVE the Nirguna,Niraakar Brahm.

The mount of Yahweh(or jehovah ?) resembles Garuda...There are some few other things too....I will produce them if i find them doesn't matter even if it proves to be true(yahweh is shiva).... As long as it not Indra or the material demigods.... The bhagvatam calls Lord Sadashiva as 'Supreme Brahm beyond material manifestation'. *** Now tell me,Kaisersose....What else do you have to say ??? Please don't be so lame as to say,"Kaisersose is a person...so the Cristian God is Kaisersose."

raghu kindly read post # 127.

I have absolutely NO INTEREST in establishing Gauranga as belonging to Madhva sampradaya. I am 100 % sure that even Gauranga feels the same way. But...there are customs...accept a sampradaya,etc etc.So He did it. Anyway...i do not to the sampradaya system.I think all of them are filled with ordinary people(who pose as gurus) today...at least the most popular one is... All that matters is you respect Gauranga and remember that any single sampradaya doesn't reserve exclusive rights to Godhead.

But you do not believe him.Otherwise,you wouldn't be so confused. You have to have firm faith in the brahm nishtam guru.Otherwise,it is all useless. There is absolutely no way we can understand the aim of the Vedas w/o surrendering(atleast by way of intelligence to a realised guru.) Surrendering intelligence means When the mahatma is saying,"Sri Krsna is the ultimate Goal to be known through the vedas" you have to accept it completely and w/o doubt.Otherwise... Tulsidas states,"There are hundreds of different philosophies of the puranas and the tantra sastras etc.They are all confusing.If you go into them,you will surely never come to the right conclusion."

Yes Total surrender to God.But does Everyone have the sanskaras to surrender in one second ?? No. A person who cannot see the Supreme Lord with his present vision,needs a lot of coaxing to accept that the Lord is seated as Paramatma in everybody. This coaxing comes with repeatedly making him understanding the Paramatma tattva.This is just One example. No.You don't become bhakta if you don't know what the Acharyas have set down as facts through scriptural revelation. Sri Krsna is very affectionate towards Sri tulsidevi.This is understood through knowing of siddhanta. Many shajiyyas ignore Srimati Radharani or Balarama and dismiss Them as mere Jeevatmas or such.This is the father of all offences.These facts are understood through the realised guru,who knows the Sri Krsna tattva,radha tattva in practicality. I never said anything about caste. In fact Gajendra achieved moksa.An elephant for God's sake. Even the great rsis in svarga etc don't get this moksa. This rule in bhakti that no caste is required,is Unique.In jnana and karma...there is no such freedom. But still,it is mandatory to know tattva.Lokmanya tilak didn't know the tattva.You should read his works to know how confused he was and what nonsense he had concocted in his mind. On the other hand,Haridas Thakura was a muslim born.BUT he knew the tattva that Sri Krsna is Saguna Saakar Brahm Who has an Eternal body,Names and Pastimes.This is COMPLUSORY. I told you bout the book which was written by a deluded person.He said,"Krshna is God who has taken up material body and that's why He experiences INTENSE human emotions like lust." Forget the paap he himself is commiting,he will also spoil the intelligence of some 1000 people who read his work.This is strcitly condemned. Moodha can certainly attain.But not the rascal who doesn;t know that the dealings between Sri Krsna and the gopis is purely arranged by Yogamaya or the Cit sakti and speculates,"Krishna is dancing with girls,even i should dance with girls to please the Lord." This is complete nonsense and aggravates everything opposed to bhakti. You cannot JOIN the GOPIS OF VRINDAVANA !!!! The Gopis thought about Shyamasundara Every single millisecond of every second of every minute of every hour or every single day. I don't know about you,but No one on earth can do that.Not even for 10 minutes straight. There is a difference between gopis and me.The gopis are eternal associates of the Lord and THEMSELVES the Acharyas of the highest bhakti. IT IS A FACT that those who have achieved Prema...like the Gopis..THEY ARE BEYOND THE LAWS of the VeDAS. THE GOPIS AND BHAGAVAN. Hari and Guru are beyond the vedic rules.The vedic rules have to be followed to attain Them. So no one can even come near the level of gopis just like that. There are rules established by acharyas by way of trance or directly by the Lord: Vaidhi bhakti. This bhakti is the first step.This is the bhakti which the person has to perform under the guidance of a prema bhakta. Raganuga bhakti: This bhakti appears after the mind is sufficiently attached to the Lord and His associates.There is no other way of reaching this stage.This happens only thorugh sadhana. Prema: This is the Causeless bhakti that appears in the heart after guru gives kripa.This bhakti is different.It is divya. Gopis,Prahlada,Hanumanji,etc have the last type of bhakti. We ?? We don't even perform vaidhi bhakti properly.Thus it behooves us to understand Krsna Tattva and remember Him along with His attributes,Abode and Names and Associates: Without knowing the divinity of Sri Krsna and His expansions and His forms,any rascal 'devotee' might just think that Varah Bhagavan,Who appeared in a Boar Form is impure. There are many such things....it is very important to know these things..

If God was bad,He would've killed you first and foremost for calling Him names and disblieving in Him(you know God is All-Powerful). But this doesn't happen.This means God Is NOT BAD. If i call even the president bad names,he will come and kill me if he could.But God doesn't do that to you(the atheist). So this means God is different from ordinary people. This means your idea of good and bad doesn't even extend to God.He is way beyond that.

Allah,Jehovah,Yahweh....refer to the 'Lord God In the Heavens'.THus it is understood to be Sri Krsna in goloka. If you say that why is it that their theory of God is not accepted, you need to simply compare the Bhagavatam with the Bible.

Prahlada maharaja,when he was in the womb of Kayadhu...Sri Narada imparted vedic knowledge to his mother.He heard it then. His mind was so attrcted by the Supreme Truth that he immediately had it fixed it in his mind.This is obviously due to his previous sanskars. He had completely hung on to that supreme Knowledge imparted by Narada and Surrendered to The Lord. Thus- siddhanta bali aa chitte na kor alas. When you know 100% that the bank which is going to keep your savings,is reputable,only THEN do you surrender all your wealth and trust the bank will keep it safe. This is complete surrender. *** Meera...She was the disciple of Swmi Haridas,who himself was from the Nimbarka Sampradaya and thus established in Siddhanta. Besides,Meera was the epitome of Raganuga Bhakti.Raga bhakti is summed up in one word : GREED. She had Greed for the attainment of the Lord.The Bhakti like that is perfected from previous lives and is thus spontaneous. When she was small,her mum pointed out to a deity form of Sri Krsna and said,"Look,There's your husband." Meera held on to that notion with her whole life.She surrendered completely impelled by her previous devotion. Thus - Siddhanta bali aa chitte na kor aalas. *** Sant Tukaram- His works only reflect his unending knowledge of sastras and Vedas. *** The alwars- they were divine personalities all descended from Pravyoma,where the vedas personified are attendants of the Lord. So there..there is no chance of even understanding Krsna Tattva/Rama tattva/Visnu tattva without knowing sastra.

No.This is a very wrong notion. Siddhanta bali aa chitte na kor alas. -Gauranga Mahaprabhu. You should never be lazy in understanding Philosophy.Again and Agian you should hear about it and make your beliefs firm. Sri Narada states that,"Bhakti performed without the sastric support or sastric injunction following is absolute nonsense as it leads to offenses." So knowing philosophy is a must.

yes,Santji Jagadguru Sri Kripaluji Maharaj.

I read geeta translation by a complete rascal,who had twisted many facts.also,I read a book by a voyeur and pervert who depicted Sri Krsna as "God,in a human body having a sexual urges." I refused to believe it and delved further into the matter,thus stumbling upon Iskon. I ADORED Iskon and still do. Slowly,I noticed Sri Maharjji's lectures on T.V. Here was a person who never talked about how bad the other 'gurus' were.He never took names while bashing a malpractice and i like this quality of his. He always explained the tattva in the simplest language. It is complete faith in this personality that completely defines my devotion.

Haridasa Thakura,The guru of Meera and the person who taught tansen his music,was visited by Akbar. Tansen told him,"You may be very rich and the Lord of this land but my master worships the Lord Of the Universe.He has no consideration for petty people like you,even if you maybe the richest,strongest person.Only show humility and he will accept it." Akbar cried like a baby after hearing Haridasa.He asked Tansen later,"Why the hell can't you sing like that you useless person ?" tansen replied "He sings for the Supreme Lord.I sing for gobar ganesh like you." Akbar shut up. *** Surdas declares : "Now that I have the prema Bhakti established in my heart,I challenge maya to even touch me." Who has the guts to say this ??

Bhakti is eternally inherent in the Jeevatma. So you may call it as a connection. There is only one goal in Bhakti : To attain the Prema by which the REAL/ACTUAL service of Sri ShyamaShyam is attained. i,e, When the Jeeva actually goes to Goloka and sees Shyamasundar in His Original form of Ananda.He sees there the four kumaras: who assume the form of bumblebees and they are engaged in looking at the eyes of Shyamasundar. They become intoxicated and become totally perplexed.When they are looking at His eyes,the beauty of His Face attracts them more.But as soon as they are about to look at His cheeks,they decide against it because the eyes appear more and more attractive.All of Vrindaban is drowning thus.It is just Impossible to understand what kind of Bliss they are experiencing. this is the goal. Bhakti is also Supremely auspicious. The bhaktas are ecstatic even the toilet.They are thinking about Shyamsundar.There is no restriction. Ramakrishna would go to the graveyards at night. Tell a Jyani to do this.HE will run away.Tiger skins and this direction and this muhurt and that. A karmi is worse.You can't even perform the sacrifice at any random place. Hanumanji,he was murdering thousands of people and nicely thinking about the Lord's limbs. Arjuna.He's killing thousands of his own kin.He's shooting at his own grandfather(Bhisma) and thinking about His own charioteer. His charioteer told him,"Think about Me and fight." The mind is the main doer.If the mind itself is absorbed in Bhagavan,Who has the audacity to say that he is performing paapa or punya ? This freedom is not there in any other sadhana whatsoever.The vedanta states that you should perform Upasana EVERYWHERE. Just perform puja of Indra in the toilet and see what happens. the Visnu purana states : "ALWAYS and EVERYWHERE Remember Him." This Upasana is Bhakti/Rememberance. Smaranti ca- Vedanta. Smarana means remembrance. This is the only requirement in bhakti.So,it is considered that Bhakti is the best option.

Sadhana may refer to Bhakti also. There are three margas: Jnana marga. Karma Marga and Bhakti Marga or Upasana marga as stated in the Vedas. ONLY THREE. Bhakti Is all Encompassing,Ever Independent and All Supreme. Jnyana takes the sadhaka to Atma-Jnyana and dies away i.e. It destroys Ajnana(ignorance) and dies away. In simple words : Jnyana Destroys Avidya/tamo,Rajo guni Maya and establishes the person in jnyana-atma jnyana etc. KArma takes you to the higher planets and dies away. But Bhakti stays forever.In Bhakti,the Goal itself is eternal Bhakti towards Shyamsundar. It may be asked that Sri Krsna enumerates Karma and Jnyana marga in the Geeta. And so it is true.THis Karma marga and Jnyana marga is pertaining to Sri Krsna.All the Karma performed for Sri Krsna is the Real Karma marga-Otherwise we all know that Karmis go to heaven for a few million years and come to become dogs and cats.This karma dies away. Similarly,Jnyana MArga.After attaining Atma-jnyana,if the Jnyani surrenders to Sri Krsna,his Vidya Maya is removed.This is also described in the Geeta.Otherwise the Bhagavatam states: ..Param Padam tatah Patanti. Patan means downfall.There are many examples : Vivamitra,Bharata maharaja...All had downfall.There is always downfall,becoz the Vidya maya never goes. Tad nugra haitukeh mosksha siddhir bhavitu marhati -Sripada Shankaracharya. Sri Krsna,Without you mercy,Mukti is not possible. There is a reason why Sri Shankaracharya established the Deities of Sri Krsna in the Four Holy Places(char dhaam).Jnyanis say that all forms and names are mithya.But God DOES HAVE ETERNAL FORMS. The Datta Sampradaya: A variation on advaita,worship Sri Dattatraya,a form of God.They get His mercy and THEN they get Mukti.This is always the case.Kabeer...he was a jnani.He HAD TO SURRENDER TO RAMA. Prahlada Maharaja.There is not a single person in the history of all brahmandas who is saying in front of his horrendous demon father,"Hari is Superior to you,father.Accept it." Hiranykasipu threw him from a cliff.Tried to burn him.But Prahlada had complete surrender to that Lord Hari,Who is seated as Paramatma and Who is All powerful. Even when The Lord came Down Exclusively for this Prahlada Maharaja,he said,"Lord I don't want anything from you." There is not a single person who doesn't want anything.The veda states that Every LiVING being PERFORMS KARMA FOR SOME MOTIVE EVERY SECOND,whether it is for svarga or for mukti or becoming a millionaire. The Lord Roared,"No.You have to ask for something." "Nothing Lord." "Aray,why are you eating My head.I have this rule.I always grant a boon to My Pure Bhakta." The poor boy sighed,"Fine,I wish that I MAY NEVER GET ANY TENDENCY TO ASK ANYTHING FROM NOW ON." It just TOO BEYOND any person even in Brahmaloka to behave in this way. The same Prahlada Maharaja ruled the Universe for millions of years.He Didn't suffer any falldown.So what is missing in Jnyana and Karma ??? Even one of Gauranga's associates.He was richer than the king of Bengal.Yet Gauranga goes and Hugs him !!! Who is there in this universe who has so many riches and still be like this ??? there is surely something missing in KArma and Jnyana. What is it ? Sri Krsna says,"..yogakshemam bhamyaham." Yoga means that which is unattainable. Kshema means that which is already attained. Yogakshema- He says,I take it upon Myself.I preserve whatever he has and PLUS give him everything that is unattainable- So it is Upon Him to protect His devotee.It is His responsibility.In Jnyana,there is no such thing.Who will protect the Jnyani ?? In karma...if a single pronunciation in reciatation of Ved mantras goes wrong,the performer of sacrifices is destroyed.Who will save him ? No one. this is the law written in stone.There is absolutely no way that Selfless persons like Prahlada and Hanumanji can ever exist within the Jnyana Marga.Visvamitra tried to murder Vasista becoz he was more famous a Rsi than him. And on the other hand Prahlada,in one incarnation of his states,"Lord.Do one thing.You take all these suffering people to your dhama and put me in hell for all their sins." The Lord Cried His heart out. The glory of Bhaktas like these is inconcievable.

Dear Sambya, Encyclopedia of authentic hinduism is written by His Holiness Prakashanand Sarasvati and there is a website dedicated to the same.Accept what the book says or don't.I'm not really begging you to accept it now am I ? I'm simply quoting what another Vaishnava thinks about the cosmic arrangements. It's just like the Vaishnavacharyas explaining the reason for the Auspicious signs on the foot sole of Sri Krsna.There are innumerable different interpretations and the devotees accept whichever they find dearest to their sentiments. *** I still take the chance and ask you: Why has Vedavyasa declared that the Jeevatma is Atomic and REMAINS atomic even after Mukti??

i don't even want to reply to that.

"...The supreme God Who controls the creation and the functioning of the entire universe is called Maha Vishnu. When the galaxies begin to assume their normal shape, at that point Maha Vishnu creates a great number of Divinely celestial spaces in the galaxies and He enters into those spaces. He then produces one Brahma in each section who controls the creation of the sun and its planetary system. Thus, in every planetary system there is one Brahma who is called the creator. Prior to the creation of the earth planet, Brahma extends the celestial space and creates celestial abodes of gods and goddesses. One planetary system with its celestial abodes is called one brahmand. In this way there are a great number of brahmandas in one galaxy. Celestial abodes are invisible as they are in a different space (dimension).... "

Actually one Brahmanda is One solar system or perhaps one galaxy. The encyclopedia of authentic Hinduism has proper information regarding this.

if this is accepted by the Bhagavatam,believe it. Otherwise it is to be neglected with neutrality. Bhagavatam is the Natural commentary on the vedanta. Only three sastras : Gita,Vedanta and the upanishads. i.e. Gita,Bhagavatam and Upanishads. Only these three scriptures are accepted. All the Jagadgurus have provided commentaries upon these three sastras: Gita ,Upanishads and Vedanta. so no use of reading anything from any other scripture

completely wrong. Vedavyasa made a brahm sutra : Na anuh atah shruteh hritichen na. He states that the upanishads which talk about the eternal,Infinite,Supreme Paramatma is sometimes referred to as simply ' atma ' in the upanishads. This doesn't mean that Jeevatma is Brahm or referred to as brahm in the upanishads..

thanks melvin