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Sant,Do you not know ?? Sambya is the most intelligent scholar we have.

If suppose a devotee is qualified enough to be in association of advanced devotees,does he get transferred to another universe,where there is no Kaliyuga going on ????

The Laxmi in the material world is a form of Durga.She is known as cunning and the diety of material opulence. But the Laxmi in the Kshirsagara,is the Universal Mother,the origin of all.

Further the Veda tells us,"There is no one equal to Him and neither is there anyone greater than Him." Srimad Bhagavatam stresses this point twice,"There is no one Equal to Him,forget being greater than Him." So we should accept this 16yr old Kanua as master,Supreme,Unborn,Greatest,Supreme Controller.

"..All Beings are in Me,But I am NOT in them." You seemed to have missed this. Sri Krsna manifested His Universal Form. It is a challenge from the vaishnavas,"Let any liberated person display this Universal Form." If someone does it,we shall accept it. Brahm has multitude of energies,especially the Cit/Swarupa sakti.So if a liberated person becomes Brahm,he should be able to be "Kartum akartum anyatha kartum samarth"- as the vedas speak of Brahm in this way. So is any mukta Kartum akartum anyatha kartum samarth ??? Can any mukta project,maintain and Destroy the infinitude of Universes ??? The vedanta states "Jagad vyapar varrjam.." So can this 'Brahm'/ Mukta be capable of being called "Jagad vyapar varrjam.." No.Only Bhagavan retains full control over His multitude of Energies. The Veda states that there is Only One God,"Eko devah.." The vedas are meant for us.So they are telling us(Muktas,Jnyanis,Bhaktas,Chandalas all included),"There is This One Person(deva) who expands and Pervades the entire Creation." The veda NEVER,NOT EVEN ONCE says,"Eh Jeevatma ,You pervade this entire creation !" No. It says,"HE pervades...NOT you."

tell me one thing. Have you heard about Valmiki ?

this means that Durgadevi is a maidservant of Sri Krsna. And please stop brandishing a certain name to 'establish' that Durgadevi is some sort of an independent Goddess,when the fact is that you don't know squat about his philosophy.

chandu,why ARE you being so obnoxious. ?? MASALA ??? Do you have any idea what manifestation of Mahabhava means ?? This mahabhava is yearned by Shankara ever so earnestly and constantly. You are so out of your league here,you don't even know what your dealing with. Please go and fight with muslims or whatever it is you do. *** Over ZEALOUS.

Repulsive.

hahahahaha.

yet we know the fact that shankaracarya existed and we know his great person.If we accept his integrity,we have to accept that Srila Vedavyasa was infact a historic person.The rest is easy to conclude : This faultless person,Vedavyasa authored a book called bhagavatam after realising the events in trance. Easy rite ?

you dnt get me. shukara bhagavan literally means boar God.

Vrajanätha: In Gokula-Upäsanä, Durgä-devi has been counted among Sri Hari’s associates. Who is this Durgä of Gokula? Bäbäji: Durgä of Gokula is none other than yogamäyä. She is situated as the seed of transformation of cit-sakti, so when she is present in the spiritual world, She considers herself to be nondifferent from the svarüpa-sakti. The material mäyä is only a transformation of that yogamäyä. Durgä situated in the material world is an attendant maidservant of that Durgä of the svarüpa-sakti in the spiritual world. The Durgä of the svarüpa-sakti is lélä-posañasakti, the potency that nourishes Kåñëa’s pastimes. The gopis who have taken complete shelter of the parakiya-bhäva (paramour mood) bestowed by yogamäyä, nourish Kåñëa’s rasa-viläs in the spiritual world. This is Durgadevi.

Excellent.Love you. It is a very glaring observation,this... Whenever a novice is seeking knowledge of the highest truth thru bhakti-marga,even the madhyama-adhikari can tell him - "First cleanse your mind,then just take Hari-nama and see.First Cleanse your mind by the sadhana bhakti." The others will say,"You sit in this posture/you sacrifice this/you do some yogic exercise/you do some meditation." 90% of the babajis in india are not even aware of the basic step of 'cleansing the mind'.All nonsense is going on. Yet there are others who try to provide their expertise and establish the worship of Nirguna Brahm.Even these have no knowlegde of this basic step.They try to use their intelligence.They never arrive at any one conclusion. They read about Vivekanandas,Maharshis and Oshos and Babajis and are in awe of their 'sprititual' descriptions,yet none of them can come at this simple conslusion: "Cleansing of the mind is the basis of all sadhana."

It doesn't matter in the least. Vrajvasis call Dwaraka as Dwarika Vridavana as Vridaban Nrsimha as Nrsingha. And yet it is found that the innocent vrajavasis who infuse much more devotion in the calling out of such names,attain to the same fruit more quickly. You massively ignore the fact that Sri Krsna is paramatma.He is noting down every thing.If some great devotee is calling Him as "Shukara !" with love,He will immediately accept it.Some scholars who give organised lectures on Geeta,call Him as Krsna,still they remain in darkness. Love for Godhead is the underlying factor of all that is related to Bhakti-marga.What you propose is the subject of panditya discussions.They are tasteless to the pure bhaktas(Please don't take offence neither think that I am indirectly referring to myself as a pure bhakta).

P.S : Sri Shankaracharya CRIED like a mad man just so that he could obtain constant remembrance of the Lotus feet of Sri Krsna.He said he wants no liberation like some foolish people*. * especially the people of the sect started by himself.

Ahaituky apratihata. Marvellous.. I was trying to recall the sanskrit terms for the conditions of purest form of bhakti: Selfless and COntinuous. This is the final word.Serve Ananda kanda Sri Krsna.Attain His bhakti. And just see what happens... History shows that Brahm-jnyanis who constantly would experience brahmananda,have jumped from their samadhis and RAN to learn more about Sri Krsna after hearing one simple krsna katha "Sri Krsna awarded Putana His own abode eventhough she "tried" to kill Him." This is the final realisation.Realisation of Godhead,Sri Krsna.Eternal variegatedness like the Names,Parikars,Qualities,Leelas,etc of Sri Krsna provides so much more ananda that ordinary liberation is not considered. One like me can only try and fail to expound clearly as did the pure soul,in the post of Ghari,but stressing the point along the same lines is better than nothing.

Paräsya çaktir vividhaiva çrüyate ... sva-bhäviki,jnana,bala kriya ca. (Çvetäçvatara Upaniñad 6.8) SVABHAVIKI means 'BY NATURE/svabhava'. These energies are further explained in Vishnu purana. There should be no doubt whatsoever that these three energies: Sandhini,samvit and Hladini are endorsed time and again by the vedas and confirmed by sastras like Srimad- Bhagavatam.It is in fact the Advaita doctrine that has no support whatsoever,sastric or LOGICAL.

Well,the vedas state,"Dve vava brahmano rupe murtancaiva amurtanca." Brahm has two simultaneous manifestations : Saguna brahm as well as the formless brahm drava. Shankaracharya states that ,"Sri Narayana is BEYOND the material manifestation in its totality." i.e. this Person,Narayana is beyond maya. from above,it is understood that Sri Krsna is the saguna brahm,who is incessantly described in the vedas. The upanishads state His qualities,(satyakaamah,satyasankalpa) and so do the puranas(Bhagavatam describes how Satyakaamah is the quality of the unborn Supreme Lord.) So also,Sri Shankaracharya explains that Brahm has a sarira(form) as well as is formless.He further states that the Saguna Brahm manifests Satya kaamah and satya sankalpa whereas the Nirguna brahm manifests absolutely no energy at all. But since the sastras talk about the multitude of energies of Brahm and Their workings,Sri Krsna is understood to be the One addressed and not nirguna Brahm.===> conclusion. This,according to the siddhanta of Sri Shankaracharya(that Nirguna Brahm does not manifest kriya sakti and thus performs no work,no attributes,etc),is a LOGICAL conclusion.

yeah yeah!! the Alwars ,

In the Brahma Vaivarta Purana (Krishna-Janma-Khanda, 118.35) : “I am Mahalakshmi in Vaikuntha, Srimati Radha in Goloka, Shivaa [connected with Shiva] in the region of Shiva, and Sarasvati in the abode of god Brahma.” This is like Nrsimha stating He is Krsna,He is Ramacandra,etc. When the expansion rightfully declares His Being as indifferent from the Lord.Bhagavati Durga(subhadra for the gaudiyas) is speaking in such a fashion. It is very important to understand that Durgadevi,the Spiritual potency,is known as Yogamaya.She is called as Subhadra in the Jagannatha pastimes and Her shadow(durga) is known as mahamaya. If you worship and glorify Sri Balarama,some other devotee can glorify this Durga of Vaikuntha. *** “Please hear, O Narada, and I will tell you the meaning of these mantras. The material world is manifested by the Lord’s maya potency and other external potencies. The spiritual world is manifested by the Lord’s chit potency and other internal and everlasting spiritual potencies. The protector of these potencies is said to be the gopi Sri Radha, who is Lord Krishna’s beloved. The transcendental goddess Sri Radha is the direct counterpart of Lord Sri Krishna. She is the central figure for all the goddesses of fortune. She is the pleasure potency of Lord Krishna. The wise say that She is the pleasure potency of Lord Krishna. Durga and the other goddesses in the world of the three modes are a million-millionth part of one of Her expansions. She is directly Goddess Maha-Lakshmi and Lord Krishna is Lord Narayana. O best of sages, there is not the slightest difference between Them. O best of sages, what more can I say? Nothing can exist without them. This universe made of spirit and matter together is Their potency. She is Durga and Lord Hari is Shiva. Lord Krishna is Indra and She is Shachi. She is Savitri and Lord Hari is Brahma. She is Dhumorna and Lord Hari is Yama. O Narada, please know that everything is Their potency. Even if I had many hundreds of years, I could not describe all Their glories.” --- sanath kumara sanghita. I wanted to post this last part,otherwise I would,by default,be termed as a pashandi,or a tantrik.

sant, why are you trying to mislead ?? God manifests in THREE FEATURES : Brahm,Paramatma and Bhagavan. Whereas The six FORMS you have HIGHLIGHTED are commonly accepted(Brahm sanghita/ although there is no mention of Saketloka in it.) The paramatma feature is a expansion of the Supreme Lord. Gaudiya literatures state that sadahivaloka is eternal and blissful and is situated beyond maya.This position of it is clarified in the brahm samhita also. Whereas,no shaivite scripture makes any such claim about vaikuntha. The lord of Vaikuntha,Sri Narayana has many eternal forms for the sake of pastimes. He manifests as Himself and as Mahesvara in Paravyoma. Saying that Sadashiva is a mere living entity is like saying Parasurama is a jeevatma.It is OFFENSE.You cannot say on one hand that Sri Govinda manifests Himself as Sri Shiva and then on the other hand constantly go on trying to establish His 'position'.If Sri Bhagavan manifests partial/less energies in one of His manifestations,doesn't mean He is Jeevatma or He is not to be glorified. It has been stated in the bhagavatam that the manus and several of the progenitors of the universe and expansions or the expansions of the expansions of Godhead. It is also common knowlegde that the Asta sakhis are direct expansions of Sri Radha Krsna. So why is it so unbelievable if Sri Sadashiva wishes to expand into His parshads like ganesha ??? Why isn't Kartikeya respected enough evnthough he is an incarnation of Hari-Hara ??Just becoz he lives with Shankara ??? Dattatreya is very well given respect on the other hand. These details are explained clearly in the Nimbarka sampradaya('authentic sampradaya') Sant,i see your agenda is different.You have pasted only one part of the exposition. You have overlooked,the acceptance of Bhagavatam and Geeta as the final word in the said 'link'. If we observe this fact,it immediately means that Sri Bhagavan is the basis of all forms in viakuntha as well as the basis of brahm.

Conscious 'of' an object ??? No.No.No. I very well deal with my mom everyday.I am 'conscious' of her. Consciousness is alive and matter is dead.That's all.There is no objective for consiousness to exist. In fact it is the dead matter that depends on conscious living entities to control,mould,etc it.There two classes of these : God and Jeevatma.Sri Bhagavan is the reservoir in which the prakriti enters. You knw wat is one of the biggest obstacles ? To get the fact,that 5000 years ago there existed sages(read Veda Vyasa) who very well were capable of defeating the latest scientists all put to gether,across to the people.Vedavyasa knew the past,present and future and also the happenings within atoms as well as on the macroscopic scale. Vedanta deals with the attainment of brahm.Atoms,chaos theory,etc are all 'maya'.Vedanta deals with brahm. There is absolutely no need to expound on the quantum physics in vedanta sastra,let alone vedas,in detail. **** Anyways,i would like to point out that the chaos theories is endorsed by the vedas. The vedas state that the material universes are never 'created' created.Since the Jeevatmas,MAya and obviously Sri Bhagavan are eternal,it is accepted that the universe simply retracts back,while the sum total of the jeevas enjoy sushupti,divine sleep in the womb of the Primeval Person.When He wills,the universes are simply projected back.There is,however one secret revealed by the vedas.During such a 'creation',the karmas of the infinite jeevas which were pending during the last creation,are maintained and then the jeevas are forced to take up bodies according to this sanchit karma. This is the reason why a certain entity is born as Indra and another is born as a demon a few years later.It appears that both Indra and the demon,the living entities had no time to perform karma,but this is not so.

m.y. means maya. r.ma means Rama. Sat¶= sati Ýr¶= sri ÝaÆkara= sankara

.I heeded not the word of ÝaÆkara and imposed My own ignorance on R.ma. What reply shall I give to my lord now?. The agony of Her heart was most terrible. Ýr¶ R.ma perceived that Sat¶ had got vexed; He, therefore, revealed to Her a part of His glory. As She went on Her way Sat¶ beheld a strange phenomenon. R.ma was going ahead of Her alongwith His Consort, S¶t., and His younger brother, Laksmana. She looked back and there too She saw the Lord with His brother and Sita. in an attractive garb. Whichever way She turned Her eyes, there was the Lord enthroned with the Siddhas (adepts) and illumined sages ministering to Him. Sati saw more than one sets of siva, Brahma and Visnu, each set possessing a glory infinitely greater than that of the others. She also beheld a whole host of gods bowing at the Lord.s feet and waiting upon Him in their different garbs. She further perceived innumerable Satis(consorts of siva), consorts of Brahma. and Laksmis (consorts of Visnu), all peerless in beauty. They conformed in their appearance to the garb in which Brahm. and the other gods appeared. Each separate vision of R.ma was attended by a whole host of gods with their feminine counterparts, as well as by the whole animate and inanimate creation with its multitudinous species. But while the gods who adored the Lord appeared in diverse garbs, the appearance of sri Rama was the same in every case. Although She saw many R.mas with as many Sitas, their garb did not vary. Seeing the same R.ma, the same Lak¦maÄa and the same Sita., Sati was struck with great awe.Her heart quivered, and She lost all consciousness of Her body. Closing Her eyes she sat down on the wayside. When She opened Her eyes and gazed once more, the daughter of Daksa saw nothing there. Repeatedly bowing Her head at the feet of sri R.ma, She proceeded to the spot where the Lord of Kail.sa was.