John Lennon, my Inspiration

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Life? Don't talk to me about life..... :-)

 

 

On Behalf Of peter VV08 June 2006 19:26 Subject: RE: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

My God the colours! and I havent even done any drugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Get a life you too...........

 

 

The Valley Vegan............................Michael Benis <michaelbenis wrote:

 

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If you can remember the words......

 

 

Well, yes it was.....

 

 

On Behalf Of peter VV08 June 2006 19:27 Subject: RE: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

I thought the soundbite of a million stoned hippies was make love not war?

 

The Valley Vegan.......................far out maaaaaaanMichael Benis <michaelbenis wrote:

Make peace not War. Quite a few of them, from what I remember. OnBehalf Of jo08 June 2006 09:20 Subject: Re: Re: John Lennon, my Inspirationand what did people say? Jo-"Anouk Sickler" Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:29 AM Re: John Lennon, my Inspirationit was a whimsical demonstration, to get people's attention, to get people talking one way or another. , "jo" wrote:>> Well it got him publicity - but what for?> > Jo> > - > earthstrm > > Wednesday, June 07, 2006 12:54 AM> Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration> > > Yeah, my fav was when he and Yoko spent a week in bed together. That > did so much! LOL> > Sorry - I couldn't help it! > > Nikki> > , "Colin Sky" wrote:> >> > john was a great ambassador for peace and a legend. bless his soul.> > > > > > > > > > - > > peter VV > > > > Monday, June 05, 2006 5:55 AM> > Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration> > > > > > I agree with you Jo, He didnt strike me as a particularly pious > individual, in fact George and Paul seemed to do a lot more for > charity than he did. He just seemed a very hedonistic person.> > > > > > The Valley Vegan..........> >>To send an email to -

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he stills from the poor

and gives to the rich

 

finish it yerselves...

peter VV Jun 8, 2006 11:18 AM RE: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

mass demonstartions by florists?

Shut up! It's a hold-up, not a Botany lesson. Now, no false moves please. I want you to hand over all the lupins you've got.

 

The Valley Vegan............

Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore,galloping through the sward,Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore,and his horse Concorde.He steals from the rich,he gives to the poor,Mr Moore, Mr Moore, Mr Moore.Michael Benis <michaelbenis wrote:

 

Flower power.

 

 

On Behalf Of jo08 June 2006 09:17 Subject: Re: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

in plain English, please ?

 

Jo

 

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Colin Sky

Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:01 AM

Re: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

hi ... please... if u can find a spare daisy... put one down for me...

 

peace

 

colin.

 

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Anouk Sickler

Wednesday, June 07, 2006 12:31 PM

Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

 

, "Peter" <metalscarab wrote:>> Hi Michael> > There's a huge difference between making "mistakes" and treatingwomen like objects to be used as you like (and let's face it, he did afair amount of that, playing on his fame to get women into bed, andshowing absolutely no respect to even the women he claimed to love).I'm not saying that he didn't do some good things, but as someone whois involved in feminist activism, I find the suggestion that someonewho treats women that way is a feminist to be rather offensive!> > BB> Peterhi peter, what women are you talking about?I am not familiar with these stories, was this pre-beatle breakup..if so... welll yes of course, Beatles probably slept with whomever theywanted. They were the Beatles!All I know of is the devotion that he showed his wife Yoko, The AlbumDouble Fanstasy was basically written to her. and the single, Woman, is about her. How manyhusbands do that?A feminist statement he made to me would be hey look world, youcalled this japanese lady a minority, I call her the woman I chose to marry. You say blondes are beautiful, I say she is beautiful. In fact, it is said that one of the reasons of the beatles breakup was that he wanted to continually involve her in the band. Ipersonally think YOko is supercool. I love her artwork and think that she has a beautiful voice. Hisalbum covers were almost always him kissing her. and if you read them, all of the lyrics, in his later albums areintensely personal. They bring you in to the intimatestruggles that their mariage faced (or frankly any marriage faces) especially with the pressures of showbusiness. He gave up his music carreer to become a father and raise his sonhimself. They could be seen walking hand in handin central park, him carrying the baby in a sling. I say he who's marriage is perfect, cast the first stone. the day that he died, I will remember forever, all the grownupsaround me were buzzing " a beatle has died" a beatle has died. It was horrible, we all cried and in thestreets suddendly everyone started talking to each other. His death brought everyone closer together in sadness. mymom brought me over to the police line and we held candles. It was a day of mourning for all of manhattan. If you go into central park there is a place called strawberry fields,near 72nd st. the dakota building where they lived, strawberry fields was designed by a million dollars that yoko gave to the park. there is a single word imagine, in a mosaic inthe floor in which people leave flowers.... . this place brings together all kinds of hippies from all over theworld... I will be there next week. > - > Michael Benis > > Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:38 PM> RE: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration> > > > Such disregard, eh? Wait til you've made a few mistakes yourself! :-)> > He wasn't the whole of any movement, but that's no reason to putdown what he was - someone who cared, some who tried to make adifference etc.> > I'll admit the "and more" was a bit of wind-up - but he was honestenough about his contradictions and in his thinking. No saint, butthen let's leave that for the true believers....> > Of course he wasn't vegan either....> > But he was John Lennon and I'm thankful to him for that> >

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I don't wanna be no war hero

Don't want a movie made about me

I don't wanna be no war hero

Just get away from the madness I see

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Sorry for any confusion. I was referring to the bit you chopped, where

someone (Jo?) was saying don't go away....

 

Thta's was all the lighten up was about. I found the orginal stuff very

po-faced about Lennon and was messing about a bit then (wiht the " and

more... and more... " )....

 

If only I'd known:-)

 

 

On

Behalf Of earthstrm

07 June 2006 13:48

 

Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

Hi Michael

 

I am light and I wasn't being mean either. So no need for me to lighten up,

I was being complimentary when I said I was glad that you posted more. Your

earlier one line statements left us nothing to go on and I like that you are

sharing more info with us.

 

Someone, I think Jo, asked if Lennon was responsible for ending the war and

you replied " Yes and more " . That was what I was commenting on. Anouk always

give us a lot of info so I that know it wasn't Anouk.

 

Nikki

 

, " Michael Benis "

<michaelbenis wrote:

>

> Hey, Nikki. Lighten up! No one person was responsible for ending

any war.

>

> Anyway, I think you're confusing me with someone else, maybe Anouk.

>

> Our choices aren't always what we think we want. Often we find out

they

> weren't, though. Life isn't a straight line. Even gods are

reported to have

> changed their minds.... And even Marx wrote " man may make history,

but he

> does not make it as he chooses " (14th Brumaire of Louis Napoleon).

>

> Lennon was in the journey for real and exposed himself warts and

all... I

> wish that were more common.

>

> He was also very fond of chocolate.....

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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all we are saying...

is give me some beer....

*rocks from side to side*

Michael Benis Jun 8, 2006 11:39 AM RE: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

If you can remember the words......

 

 

Well, yes it was.....

 

 

On Behalf Of peter VV08 June 2006 19:27 Subject: RE: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

I thought the soundbite of a million stoned hippies was make love not war?

 

The Valley Vegan.......................far out maaaaaaanMichael Benis <michaelbenis wrote:

Make peace not War. Quite a few of them, from what I remember. OnBehalf Of jo08 June 2006 09:20 Subject: Re: Re: John Lennon, my Inspirationand what did people say? Jo-"Anouk Sickler" Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:29 AM Re: John Lennon, my Inspirationit was a whimsical demonstration, to get people's attention, to get people talking one way or another. , "jo" wrote:>> Well it got him publicity - but what for?> > Jo> > - > earthstrm > > Wednesday, June 07, 2006 12:54 AM> Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration> > > Yeah, my fav was when he and Yoko spent a week in bed together. That > did so much! LOL> > Sorry - I couldn't help it! > > Nikki> > , "Colin Sky" wrote:> >> > john was a great ambassador for peace and a legend. bless his soul.> > > > > > > > > > - > > peter VV > > > > Monday, June 05, 2006 5:55 AM> > Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration> > > > > > I agree with you Jo, He didnt strike me as a particularly pious > individual, in fact George and Paul seemed to do a lot more for > charity than he did. He just seemed a very hedonistic person.> > > > > > The Valley Vegan..........> >>To send an email to -

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as the attorney of my deceased defendant

JL, i must say,

 

this form of songwriting is harder than

it seems,

it is a form of surrealism.

it is a beautifully

unique style, similar to the talent

in a salvador dali painting.

 

-anouk

 

, peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:

>

> I remember Lucy in the sky.........made me laugh................did

Yoko and Paul ever sort out that petty squable over whose name should

be first in the songwriting credits?

>

> Picture yourself in a boat on a river,

> With tangerine trees and marmalade skies

> Somebody calls you, you answer quite slowly,

> A girl with kaleidoscope eyes.

>

> Cellophane flowers of yellow and green,

> Towering over your head.

> Look for the girl with the sun in her eyes,

> And she's gone.

>

> The Valley Vegan..............

> Colin Sky <colinsky wrote:

> he wrote / sang that women were the niggers of the world to

highlight their unfair status in society...

>

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drugs were legal at my college.

 

(or at least it seemed that way)

but I was smart enough to stay away

from the hard drugs,

seeing as a little kid,

on the subways, with my own eyes

what it did to the homeless people laying on

the sidewalks... with no teeth.

 

me? random, psychedelic drugs, at parties,

but

never in abundance.

 

and of course, I am a parent now,

and feel that I should model by example of not doing any.

 

mine is a typical story.

 

 

, peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:

>

> He was well known for his weed-a-thons at the time, me I am not

perfect, who is? I have also smoked a bit when I was younger, no where

near as much as he did, but found out it f*ckd my head up, so stopped.

Did you ever do any drugs?

>

> The Valley Vegan...............

>

> Anouk Sickler <zurumato wrote:

> are you sure,

> there were lots of drugs involved at these Bed-In for peace,

> or are you just trying to put him down?

>

> I'm glad you are so perfect, and have stayed off drugs all of your

life.

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and don't forget

 

free love..

and drop out.

 

, " Michael Benis " <michaelbenis

wrote:

>

> If you can remember the words......

>

>

> Well, yes it was.....

>

> _____

>

> On

> Behalf Of peter VV

> 08 June 2006 19:27

>

> RE: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

>

>

> I thought the soundbite of a million stoned hippies was make love

not war?

>

> The Valley Vegan.......................far out maaaaaaan

>

> Michael Benis <michaelbenis wrote:

>

> Make peace not War. Quite a few of them, from what I remember.

>

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We always knew he was married!

 

Jo

 

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" Anouk Sickler " <zurumato

 

Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:58 AM

Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

 

> his high school sweatheart got pregnant

> and he did the right thing and he married her,

> then the beatlemania thing happened

> and it just didn't work.

>

> he has expressed regret, about not spending time with julian,

> which he name after his mom julia, and he taught to play

> the drums.

> The publicity machines, wouldn't even

> allow him to say that he was married to keep the beatles

> image intact.

>

> He was so saddened by not being there for julian,

> that he retired from music just to raise his second son.

>

> He was an Evolving person, just like we all are.

>

> He loved, Yoko, so that he changed his middle name to Ono.

>

>

>

>

>

> , " Peter Kebbell " <metalscarab

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Anouk

> >

> > I was referring to what Jo was saying in an earlier post about the

> way he

> > treated Yoko and his first wife...

> >

> > BB

> > Peter

> >

> >

> > On 07/06/06, Anouk Sickler <zurumato wrote:

> > >

> > > , " Peter " <metalscarab@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi Michael

> > > >

> > > > There's a huge difference between making " mistakes " and treating

> > > women like objects to be used as you like (and let's face it, he did a

> > > fair amount of that, playing on his fame to get women into bed, and

> > > showing absolutely no respect to even the women he claimed to love).

> > > I'm not saying that he didn't do some good things, but as someone who

> > > is involved in feminist activism, I find the suggestion that someone

> > > who treats women that way is a feminist to be rather offensive!

> > > >

> > > > BB

> > > > Peter

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > hi peter,

> > >

> > > what women are you talking about?

> > >

> > > I am not familiar with these stories, was this pre-beatle breakup..

> > > if so...

> > > welll yes of course, Beatles probably slept with whomever they

> > > wanted. They were the Beatles!

> > >

> > > All I know of is the devotion that he showed his wife Yoko, The Album

> > > Double Fanstasy was basically

> > > written to her. and the single, Woman, is about her. How many

> > > husbands do that?

> > >

> > > A feminist statement he made to me would be hey look world, you

> > > called this japanese lady a minority,

> > > I call her the woman I chose to marry.

> > > You say blondes are beautiful, I say she is beautiful.

> > >

> > > In fact, it is said that one of the reasons of the beatles breakup

> > > was that he wanted to continually involve her in the band. I

> > > personally think YOko is supercool.

> > > I love her artwork and think that she has a beautiful voice. His

> > > album covers were almost always him kissing her.

> > >

> > > and if you read them, all of the lyrics, in his later albums are

> > > intensely personal. They bring you in to the intimate

> > > struggles that their mariage faced (or frankly any marriage faces)

> > > especially with the pressures of showbusiness.

> > >

> > > He gave up his music carreer to become a father and raise his son

> > > himself. They could be seen walking hand in hand

> > > in central park, him carrying the baby in a sling.

> > >

> > > I say he who's marriage is perfect, cast the first stone.

> > >

> > > the day that he died, I will remember forever, all the grownups

> > > around me were buzzing " a beatle has died "

> > > a beatle has died. It was horrible, we all cried and in the

> > > streets suddendly everyone started talking to each

> > > other. His death brought everyone closer together in sadness. my

> > > mom brought me over to the police line and we

> > > held candles. It was a day of mourning for all of manhattan.

> > >

> > > If you go into central park there is a place called strawberry fields,

> > > near 72nd st. the dakota building where they lived,

> > > strawberry fields was designed by a million dollars that yoko

> > > gave to the park. there is a single word imagine, in a mosaic in

> > > the floor in which people leave flowers.... .

> > >

> > > this place brings together all kinds of hippies from all over the

> > > world... I will be there next week.

> > >

> > >

> > > > -

> > > > Michael Benis

> > > >

> > > > Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:38 PM

> > > > RE: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Such disregard, eh? Wait til you've made a few mistakes

> yourself! :-)

> > > >

> > > > He wasn't the whole of any movement, but that's no reason to put

> > > down what he was - someone who cared, some who tried to make a

> > > difference etc.

>

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His bad behaviour towards women did last almost his whole life. He left

Yoko and lived with her secretary for two years, and then went back to her.

After Sean was born he became strange and spent most of his time in bed,

drugged. If he had changed for several years it may be easy to forgive him

but it seems to me that he was a very selfish man all his life.

 

Jo

 

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" Anouk Sickler " <zurumato

 

Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:20 AM

Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

 

> Hi peter,

>

> you say that john lennon's treatment of women wasn't a mistake,

> and that he was just selfish.

>

> so why can't selfish behaviour be a mistake, why does it have to be

> one or the other.

>

> it is obvious to me that Lennons's fans, had already forgiveen him by

> the time of his death, 1980

> otherwise, there wouldn't have been such a tremoundouse outporing of

> people, and vigils all over the world.

>

> most people over a certain age remember exactly where they were when

> he died.

> just like most peole over a certain age remember where they where

> when JFK died.

>

> The positive impact which he had on people outweighs any selfish

> behaviour he had with women in the 60's .

>

> many would consider, bill clinton's, behaviour with Monica lewinsky

> as selfish, however among people who like

> him, they have forgiven him, because they like him. overall.

>

> his first wife cynthia, i don't believe is a bitter woman

> today, she sounds as though she has forgiven him, when she

> gives interviews.

>

> and Yoko has certainly forgeven him. Why can't we.

>

> Why must we look at a behaviour he had when he was young.

> And not look at the WHOLE man and the Whole, of what he did.

>

> there is a jewish saying

>

> " a man is who he is, not who he used to be "

>

> -anouk

>

>

>

> > I find the term " Old Testament " to be rather amusing. My judgement

> of John

> > Lennon's " personal politics " is the fact that he showed little

> regard for

> > the feelings even of those people he claimed to love the most. That

> really

> > isn't a matter of making mistakes, but is a matter of utter

> selfishness. In

> > the context of John Lennon's treatment of those he loved, I really don't

> > think that having sex with people within ear-shot of your parter, in the

> > full knowledge that she objects to it, is not a " mistake " - and doing it

> > repeatedly does not suggest that he learnt from it, either. I do think

> > Lennon had some nice political ideas, but that doesn't necessarily

> make him

> > a nice person!

>

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Which is strange as a lot of the intellectuals over here thought little of

him.

 

Jo

 

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" Anouk Sickler " <zurumato

 

Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:28 AM

Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

 

> it is because I think he was

> the Elvis of the Intellectuals

>

> -anouk

>

> , " jo " <jo.heartwork wrote:

> >

> > I am totally surprised and confounded by the adoration given to him

> - it doesn't seem to be the same in the UK. Sure there are lots of

> people who liked him and his music, but this idolisation seems a

> little strange.

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > -

> > Colin Sky

> >

> > Wednesday, June 07, 2006 2:26 AM

> > Re: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

> >

> >

> >

> > hi jo. he was basically a good guy. :-) and a legend because he

> deserved to be. he was human too.

> >

> > everybody makes mistakes, often throughout their lives.

> >

> > but not everybody reaches out to the world with a universal

> message of peace and hope.

> >

> >

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He didn't learn though. He kept going back to drugs - just like he kept

having a go at pretending to be vegetarian and deviating from it.

 

Jo

 

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" Anouk Sickler " <zurumato

 

Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:25 AM

Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

 

> hi jo,

>

> to err is human,

> john lennon had a period, where he had a problem

> with heroin. He then quit, and wrote a song

> called " cold turkey "

>

> I think that the fact that he showed us his human side

> and how he evolved and learned from his mistakes

> is the same reason

> people identify so much with him.

>

>

>

> , " jo " <jo.heartwork wrote:

> >

> > You assume that everybody is going to make mistakes - why is that?

> >

> > Jo

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > Michael Benis

> >

> > Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:38 PM

> > RE: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

> >

> >

> >

> > Such disregard, eh? Wait til you've made a few mistakes

> yourself! :-)

> >

> > He wasn't the whole of any movement, but that's no reason to put

> down what he was - someone who cared, some who tried to make a

> difference etc.

> >

> > I'll admit the " and more " was a bit of wind-up - but he was

> honest enough about his contradictions and in his thinking. No saint,

> but then let's leave that for the true believers....

> >

> > Of course he wasn't vegan either....

> >

> > But he was John Lennon and I'm thankful to him for that

> >

> >

> >

> >

> --------

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> >

> On Behalf Of Peter

> > 06 June 2006 19:33

> >

> > Re: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

> >

> >

> > Hi Michael

> >

> > But he hardly constituted the whole feminist movement.... and

> I'd also wonder how anyone who treated women with quite such disregard

> could possibly be classified as a feminist!!!!

> >

> > BB

> > Peter

> >

> > -

> > Michael Benis

> >

> > Tuesday, June 06, 2006 5:21 PM

> > RE: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

> >

> >

> >

> > He was part of the feminist movement, and more.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> --------

> >

> On Behalf Of Peter Kebbell

> > 06 June 2006 16:06

> >

> > Re: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

> >

> >

> > Hi Michael & everyone

> >

> > >>Was it due to him that America withdrew from Vietnam?

> > > Yes, and more

> >

> > So, you wouldn't have said that the feminist movement had

> anything at all to do with it?????

> >

> > BB

> > Peter

> >

>

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I asked because I have noticed that young people seem to have the wrong idea

about the sixties.

 

Jo

 

 

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" Anouk Sickler " <zurumato

 

Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:49 AM

Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

 

> Hi Jo,

>

> I do have an interest about the past, the world wasn't born

> on the day I was.

>

> I turned 34 on november 2. I suppose that is what they call

> the generation x, but who cares.

>

> I did read newspapers when I was a kid,

> The Daily News(in nyc) often, reported on John Lennon.

>

> I lived between Riverside and Fort Washington Avenue. Looking out

> on the river to New Jersey.

>

> My babysitters were old Jewish men. Intellectuals

> who told me all about the times before

> I was born.

>

> one of them Mr. Weinberger, who lived on 161 ST. was

> my favorite, he had no walls, I mean nobody had

> seen the color of his walls because his

> walls were filled with books.

>

> sometimes, I would show up in the mornings and he would

> just hand me a book without saying a word. I would read it

> religiously all day and then give it back to him.

> he rarely ventured out of his apartment, because he had

> a hunchback.

>

> since, I went to a very rough, tough ghetto school,

> I think that he wanted to rescue me through books.

>

> so, I am a loud mouth hispanic girl, with some jewish

> instruction.

>

> do they have those in wales or england?

>

>

>

> , " jo " <jo.heartwork wrote:

> >

> > Can I ask how old you are Anouk and how old you were in the 60s.

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > -

> > Anouk Sickler

> >

> > Wednesday, June 07, 2006 3:32 AM

> > Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

> >

> >

> >

> > hi peter,

> >

> > yes dylan was in the same league as him.

> > He did less and less because he quit the public

> > life to stay home with his son.

> >

> >

>

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Hi Peter

 

I believe it was his daughter that was most hurt and outraged by his behaviour - quite understandably.

 

Jo

 

 

 

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Peter Kebbell

Thursday, June 08, 2006 9:19 AM

Re: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

Hi Anouk

 

>you say that john lennon's treatment of women wasn't a mistake,>and that he was just selfish.

>so why can't selfish behaviour be a mistake, why does it have to be>one or the other.

A mistake is something you do one, and then learn from. Not something you do repeatedly.

 

>it is obvious to me that Lennons's fans, had already forgiveen him by

>the time of his death, 1980

 

I really don't see what it has to do with his fans - it was his wife that he was hurting, not his fans.

 

>The positive impact which he had on people outweighs any selfish>behaviour he had with women in the 60's .

That's a matter of opinion, which I disagree with.

 

>many would consider, bill clinton's, behaviour with Monica lewinsky>as selfish, however among people who like>him, they have forgiven him, because they like him. overall.

Once again, this is down to the people he hurt to forgive him, not his political supporters. As I recall his wife left him over it.

 

BB

Peter

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That's very sad, and totally avoidable.

 

Jo

 

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Michael Benis

Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:06 AM

RE: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

Peter you really want to read a bit more about their marriage from all sides. They were both hurting.

 

And sometimes -- sometimes often -- you only start to understand mistakes are mistakes until you've made them several times.

 

 

On Behalf Of Peter Kebbell08 June 2006 09:19 Subject: Re: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

Hi Anouk

 

>you say that john lennon's treatment of women wasn't a mistake,>and that he was just selfish.

>so why can't selfish behaviour be a mistake, why does it have to be>one or the other.

A mistake is something you do one, and then learn from. Not something you do repeatedly.

 

>it is obvious to me that Lennons's fans, had already forgiveen him by

>the time of his death, 1980

 

I really don't see what it has to do with his fans - it was his wife that he was hurting, not his fans.

 

>The positive impact which he had on people outweighs any selfish>behaviour he had with women in the 60's .

That's a matter of opinion, which I disagree with.

 

>many would consider, bill clinton's, behaviour with Monica lewinsky>as selfish, however among people who like>him, they have forgiven him, because they like him. overall.

Once again, this is down to the people he hurt to forgive him, not his political supporters. As I recall his wife left him over it.

 

BB

Peter

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Don't try to pull that one Michael.

 

Jo

 

 

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Michael Benis

Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:51 AM

RE: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

You seem to be mistaking your own rhetoric for what other people have written -unless you're referring to my satirical "yes and more" comments....

 

 

On Behalf Of Peter Kebbell08 June 2006 11:42 Subject: Re: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

Hi Michael

 

>What idolisation? Everyone speaking up for him seems to agree he was imperfect!

 

They also seem to attribute him with all wonder of powers he didn't have. Like single handedly stopping the Vietnam war.... that is idolisation...

 

To me, he was an average songwriter with a few nice ideas in some of his songs - but to be honest, when I'm involved in peace activism, I know about 15 songs which have been written by friends which are just as good as Imagine, and very powerful to sing while taking part in peace activism! Lennon merely had the advantage of already being incredibly famous when he started getting involved in these things - it doesn't make him any better than anyone else.

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

It would be better not to try to turn around your arguments Michael.

 

Jo

 

 

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Michael Benis

Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:26 PM

RE: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

Well, if someone posts a satirical comment asking whether somebody else thought Lennon was single-handedly capable of stopping the Vietnam war (I couldn't believe that was a straight question), it doesn't seem to me illegitimate to simply reply "yes and more....."

 

By the way, you seem to have missed the point yourself: the "Lennon praisers" aren't saying that he was perfect, but the "Lennon denigrators" seem to be stating that unless he was perfect and had changed the course of the Vietnam war single-handed he shouldn't be worthy of their "adulation".

 

But then, maybe all this rhetoric is now starting to get a little out of control?

 

 

On Behalf Of Peter Kebbell08 June 2006 12:02 Subject: Re: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

Hi Michael

 

>You seem to be mistaking your own rhetoric for what other people have written -unless you're

> referring to my satirical "yes and more" comments....

 

Oh, I see, it was satirical was it... glad you clarified that (and, yes, this is sarcasm)!

 

BTW - you seem to have got us confused - I haven't said anything about Lennon being wonderful - that was you....

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

Were these the people who were saying 'make pece not war' before John and

Yoko pulled the stunt, or were they new people - and do we actually know, or

have we even thougth about it?

 

Jo

 

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" Michael Benis " <michaelbenis

 

Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:26 PM

RE: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

 

> Make peace not War. Quite a few of them, from what I remember.

>

>

> On

> Behalf Of jo

> 08 June 2006 09:20

>

> Re: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

>

> and what did people say?

>

> Jo

>

> -

> " Anouk Sickler " <zurumato

>

> Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:29 AM

> Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

>

>

> it was a whimsical demonstration,

> to get people's attention, to

> get people talking one way or another.

>

>

>

> , " jo " <jo.heartwork wrote:

> >

> > Well it got him publicity - but what for?

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > -

> > earthstrm

> >

> > Wednesday, June 07, 2006 12:54 AM

> > Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

> >

> >

> > Yeah, my fav was when he and Yoko spent a week in bed together. That

> > did so much! LOL

> >

> > Sorry - I couldn't help it!

> >

> > Nikki

> >

> > , " Colin Sky " <colinsky@> wrote:

> > >

> > > john was a great ambassador for peace and a legend. bless his soul.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > peter VV

> > >

> > > Monday, June 05, 2006 5:55 AM

> > > Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

> > >

> > >

> > > I agree with you Jo, He didnt strike me as a particularly pious

> > individual, in fact George and Paul seemed to do a lot more for

> > charity than he did. He just seemed a very hedonistic person.

> > >

> > >

> > > The Valley Vegan..........

> > >

> >

>

>

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I think you are right Peter.

 

Jo

 

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peter VV

Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:27 PM

RE: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

I thought the soundbite of a million stoned hippies was make love not war?

 

The Valley Vegan.......................far out maaaaaaanMichael Benis <michaelbenis wrote:

Make peace not War. Quite a few of them, from what I remember. OnBehalf Of jo08 June 2006 09:20 Subject: Re: Re: John Lennon, my Inspirationand what did people say? Jo-"Anouk Sickler" Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:29 AM Re: John Lennon, my Inspirationit was a whimsical demonstration, to get people's attention, to get people talking one way or another. , "jo" wrote:>> Well it got him publicity - but what for?> > Jo> > - > earthstrm > > Wednesday, June 07, 2006 12:54 AM> Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration> > > Yeah, my fav was when he and Yoko spent a week in bed together. That > did so much! LOL> > Sorry - I couldn't help it! > > Nikki> > , "Colin Sky" wrote:> >> > john was a great ambassador for peace and a legend. bless his soul.> > > > > > > > > > - > > peter VV > > > > Monday, June 05, 2006 5:55 AM> > Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration> > > > > > I agree with you Jo, He didnt strike me as a particularly pious > individual, in fact George and Paul seemed to do a lot more for > charity than he did. He just seemed a very hedonistic person.> > > > > > The Valley Vegan..........> >>To send an email to -

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I haven't - no need for it :-)

 

Jo

 

 

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peter VV

Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:33 PM

Re: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

He was well known for his weed-a-thons at the time, me I am not perfect, who is? I have also smoked a bit when I was younger, no where near as much as he did, but found out it f*ckd my head up, so stopped. Did you ever do any drugs?

 

The Valley Vegan...............Anouk Sickler <zurumato wrote:

are you sure, there were lots of drugs involved at these Bed-In for peace, or are you just trying to put him down?I'm glad you are so perfect, and have stayed off drugs all of your life. , peter VV wrote:>> Well they were titled BED-IN FOR PEACE , and I belive they wereprotests against the Vietnam war................then again, it wastheir honeymoon, and there were a lot of drugs involved, mostly inHilton hotels suites, so not a lot of effort required! I could do that!> > The Valley Vegan..........................

[Guest guest]

That'll teach you then ....

 

Jo

 

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" Michael Benis " <michaelbenis

 

Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:42 PM

RE: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

 

Sorry for any confusion. I was referring to the bit you chopped, where

someone (Jo?) was saying don't go away....

 

Thta's was all the lighten up was about. I found the orginal stuff very

po-faced about Lennon and was messing about a bit then (wiht the " and

more... and more... " )....

 

If only I'd known:-)

 

 

On

Behalf Of earthstrm

07 June 2006 13:48

 

Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

Hi Michael

 

I am light and I wasn't being mean either. So no need for me to lighten up,

I was being complimentary when I said I was glad that you posted more. Your

earlier one line statements left us nothing to go on and I like that you are

sharing more info with us.

 

Someone, I think Jo, asked if Lennon was responsible for ending the war and

you replied " Yes and more " . That was what I was commenting on. Anouk always

give us a lot of info so I that know it wasn't Anouk.

 

Nikki

 

, " Michael Benis "

<michaelbenis wrote:

>

> Hey, Nikki. Lighten up! No one person was responsible for ending

any war.

>

> Anyway, I think you're confusing me with someone else, maybe Anouk.

>

> Our choices aren't always what we think we want. Often we find out

they

> weren't, though. Life isn't a straight line. Even gods are

reported to have

> changed their minds.... And even Marx wrote " man may make history,

but he

> does not make it as he chooses " (14th Brumaire of Louis Napoleon).

>

> Lennon was in the journey for real and exposed himself warts and

all... I

> wish that were more common.

>

> He was also very fond of chocolate.....

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I think example is good - did your Mum and/or Dad do drugs?

 

Jo

 

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" Anouk Sickler " <zurumato

 

Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:32 PM

Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

 

drugs were legal at my college.

 

(or at least it seemed that way)

but I was smart enough to stay away

from the hard drugs,

seeing as a little kid,

on the subways, with my own eyes

what it did to the homeless people laying on

the sidewalks... with no teeth.

 

me? random, psychedelic drugs, at parties,

but

never in abundance.

 

and of course, I am a parent now,

and feel that I should model by example of not doing any.

 

mine is a typical story.

 

 

, peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:

>

> He was well known for his weed-a-thons at the time, me I am not

perfect, who is? I have also smoked a bit when I was younger, no where

near as much as he did, but found out it f*ckd my head up, so stopped.

Did you ever do any drugs?

>

> The Valley Vegan...............

>

> Anouk Sickler <zurumato wrote:

> are you sure,

> there were lots of drugs involved at these Bed-In for peace,

> or are you just trying to put him down?

>

> I'm glad you are so perfect, and have stayed off drugs all of your

life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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No kidding...

 

 

On

Behalf Of jo

08 June 2006 23:07

 

Re: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

That'll teach you then ....

 

Jo

 

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" Michael Benis " <michaelbenis

 

Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:42 PM

RE: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

 

Sorry for any confusion. I was referring to the bit you chopped, where

someone (Jo?) was saying don't go away....

 

Thta's was all the lighten up was about. I found the orginal stuff very

po-faced about Lennon and was messing about a bit then (wiht the " and

more... and more... " )....

 

If only I'd known:-)

 

 

On

Behalf Of earthstrm

07 June 2006 13:48

 

Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

Hi Michael

 

I am light and I wasn't being mean either. So no need for me to lighten up,

I was being complimentary when I said I was glad that you posted more. Your

earlier one line statements left us nothing to go on and I like that you are

sharing more info with us.

 

Someone, I think Jo, asked if Lennon was responsible for ending the war and

you replied " Yes and more " . That was what I was commenting on. Anouk always

give us a lot of info so I that know it wasn't Anouk.

 

Nikki

 

, " Michael Benis "

<michaelbenis wrote:

>

> Hey, Nikki. Lighten up! No one person was responsible for ending

any war.

>

> Anyway, I think you're confusing me with someone else, maybe Anouk.

>

> Our choices aren't always what we think we want. Often we find out

they

> weren't, though. Life isn't a straight line. Even gods are

reported to have

> changed their minds.... And even Marx wrote " man may make history,

but he

> does not make it as he chooses " (14th Brumaire of Louis Napoleon).

>

> Lennon was in the journey for real and exposed himself warts and

all... I

> wish that were more common.

>

> He was also very fond of chocolate.....

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

What's need got to do with? No, hang on, that's not how the song went...

 

 

On Behalf Of jo08 June 2006 23:05 Subject: Re: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

I haven't - no need for it :-)

 

Jo

 

 

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peter VV

Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:33 PM

Re: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

He was well known for his weed-a-thons at the time, me I am not perfect, who is? I have also smoked a bit when I was younger, no where near as much as he did, but found out it f*ckd my head up, so stopped. Did you ever do any drugs?

 

The Valley Vegan...............Anouk Sickler <zurumato wrote:

are you sure, there were lots of drugs involved at these Bed-In for peace, or are you just trying to put him down?I'm glad you are so perfect, and have stayed off drugs all of your life. , peter VV wrote:>> Well they were titled BED-IN FOR PEACE , and I belive they wereprotests against the Vietnam war................then again, it wastheir honeymoon, and there were a lot of drugs involved, mostly inHilton hotels suites, so not a lot of effort required! I could do that!> > The Valley Vegan..........................

[Guest guest]

Not pulling anything. That's what I wrote way back in a light moment, amused at all the po-faced moralising about Lennon.

 

Yes... and more....

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of jo08 June 2006 20:50 Subject: Re: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

Don't try to pull that one Michael.

 

Jo

 

 

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Michael Benis

Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:51 AM

RE: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

You seem to be mistaking your own rhetoric for what other people have written -unless you're referring to my satirical "yes and more" comments....

 

 

On Behalf Of Peter Kebbell08 June 2006 11:42 Subject: Re: Re: John Lennon, my Inspiration

 

Hi Michael

 

>What idolisation? Everyone speaking up for him seems to agree he was imperfect!

 

They also seem to attribute him with all wonder of powers he didn't have. Like single handedly stopping the Vietnam war.... that is idolisation...

 

To me, he was an average songwriter with a few nice ideas in some of his songs - but to be honest, when I'm involved in peace activism, I know about 15 songs which have been written by friends which are just as good as Imagine, and very powerful to sing while taking part in peace activism! Lennon merely had the advantage of already being incredibly famous when he started getting involved in these things - it doesn't make him any better than anyone else.

 

BB

Peter