Bhakta Don Muntean

...at least someone here sees that!

You should not lie down without having washed both of your feet or without being purified, nor with wet feet or with your head pointed west or north. You should not lie naked, or with other women, or during the sunrise or sunset. [sB 6.18.51] Actually there is a quote from Prabhupada too - but I cannot find it - sometimes vedabase does that - don't ask me why - but I shall continue to look for it - when I find it i'll post it.

Oh please!!

The only 'zionist' war machine that exists is that found in the zippy imaginations of ill-informed people....

I don't watch fox news - ever. I don't even really 'watch' tv news much at all - the news on the web is better - it's there when I want and i don't have to hear a bunch of stuff i don't have any interest in to see what i do - from what i can see fox news - like most TV news - doesn't do enough.

http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Qana_In_Context.asp Qana In Context HonestReporting calls on the media to examine the Qana tragedy in context. Following an Israeli Air Force strike against a building in the village of Qana, Israel is once again subject to some severe criticism in the international media. TV viewers and newspaper readers have been confronted with highly emotive and disturbing images of bodies being pulled from the rubble. Undoubtedly, the loss of life is extremely tragic and the vast majority of Israelis deeply regrets this incident. However, while some media wishes to portray Israel as a malevolent force that deliberately murders civilians, some wider context needs to be added to the coverage of the Qana story: Some 150 rockets have been fired at Israeli cities from Qana over the past three weeks. This IDF map traces how these rockets have been launched in 30 salvos at Haifa and other locations, including Nahariya, Ma'alot and Kiryat Shmona. To date, 18 Israeli civilians have been killed and hundreds wounded as a result of this rocket fire. Hezbollah has been deliberately hiding behind and operating from within civilian areas in the knowledge that Israel does not deliberately target civilians. Thus, when an incident such as Qana occurs, Hezbollah is presented with a propaganda coup, as is currently the case. Indeed, Australia's Herald Sun published damning photos "showing that Hezbollah is waging war amid suburbia. The images...show Hezbollah using high-density residential areas as launch pads for rockets and heavy-calibre weapons. Dressed in civilian clothing so they can quickly disappear, the militants carrying automatic assault rifles and ride in on trucks mounted with cannon." As the Washington Times points out: One photograph depicts a fighter with an AK-47 rifle guarding "no-go" zones after an Israeli attack, and another with a group of men and youths preparing to fire an anti-aircraft gun in an apartment block, with sheets hanging out to dry on a balcony. Another shows the remnants of a Hezbollah Katyusha rocket in the middle of a residential block destroyed in an Israeli airstrike. An Australian was standing just down the street when the block was obliterated. "Hezbollah came in to launch their rockets, then within minutes the area was blasted by Israeli jets," he said. "Until the Hezbollah fighters arrived, it had not been touched by the Israelis. Then, it was totally devastated...It was carnage. Two innocent people died in that incident, but it was so lucky it was not more." While Israeli civilians in northern towns and cities have between 15 seconds and one minute to find cover after an air raid siren is sounded, Lebanese civilians have been forewarned of IDF operations, in some cases, by days. The residents of Qana were warned 48 hours in advance of potential IAF air strikes. DOUBLE STANDARDS The Qana incident is likely to be a defining incident in this current conflict, aided by a media that lacks context and prefers to judge Israel by different standards to other nations involved in military actions. It is, for example, interesting to examine the record of NATO forces that bombed the Serb military in Kosovo in the late-1990s. In the face of an estimated 500 civilian deaths, NATO admits that: "Strikes were also complicated by the cynical Serb use of civilian homes and buildings to hide weapons and vehicles, the intermixing of military vehicles with civilian convoys and, sometimes, the use of human shields. In this way, NATO's concern to avoid civilian casualties was exploited by the Serbs." EMERGING DOUBTS? In past incidents such as the Mohammed Al-Dura affair, the "Jenin Massacre" and the Gaza Beach deaths, Israel has been castigated by the international media only for new evidence to emerge that has changed the nature of the story. While it is still too early to draw any conclusions before the results of any official investigation are known, there are a number of questions and inconsistencies regarding Qana: The Red Cross has published that 28 corpses were evacuated from Qana, 19 of which were children. These figures clash with the Lebanese report that 57 people were killed. Why is there an unexplained 7-8 hour gap between the time of the air strike and the building collapse? Initially the IDF speculated that Hezbollah explosives in the building were behind the explosion that caused the collapse. Another possibility is that the rickety building remained standing for a few hours, but eventually collapsed. "It could be that inside the building, things that could eventually cause an explosion were being housed, things that we could not blow up in the attack, and maybe remained there, IDF Brigadier General Eshel said. "I'm saying this very carefully, because at this time I don't have a clue as to what the explanation could be for this gap," he added. For more on how web blogs are re-examining the initial assumptions behind Qana, see this YNet article, or head to HonestReporting's Backspin blog for the latest news as more details (or questions) regarding Qana come to light. HonestReporting does not wish to minimize or cheapen the deaths of innocent civilians. We do, however, call for the media and the court of international opinion to treat Israel fairly and to view this terrible incident within the wider context of Israel's fight to protect its own citizens from the continuing threat of Hezbollah's rockets. Hezbollah, which hides behind women and children as they fire these rockets, is directly responsible for the situation now occuring within Southern Lebanon. EXPERT PANEL DISCUSSES MEDIA COVERAGE HonestReporting's Senior Editor, Simon Plosker, discussed media coverage of the fighting in Lebanon in a special roundtable discussion hosted by Newsroom Confidential on July 30. Among the panelists were Naomi Ragen, Nonie Darwish and Lenny Ben-David. (Click here to listen to the show.) Newsroom Confidential airs on the Los Angeles radio station KRLA. Due to the incredible volume of coverage, not all instances of media bias can be specifically highlighted by HonestReporting. We call on our rs to go the extra mile and respond to the media where necessary. Click here to find contact details for major international media outlets. HonestReporting. com

Well that's EXPECTED [people are going to allege anything now aren't they] - just see the U.N. is good for one thing! [too bad it wasn't something useful] Where was this war crimes resolve - when Israel was suffering through years of terror attacks - Yes - Kofi Annan is a JOKE. Maybe the U.N. should do something REAL to enforce resolution 1559 but we know they didn't and they won't - even Saudi Arabia understands that the disarming will be by force - but whose 'force' is that to be? So of course the war should come to an end as soon as possible - but there is the issue that it was continued acts of aggression that led to this operation and it would seem now that the lines in the so-called progressive Lebanese government are clearer than on the onset - we see that the western supported government is actually fighting for Hezbollah on many fronts - that is why they were able to form a state within a state and an army alongside the national army - that was going on while the government was supposed to be disarming them! So now that the bets are off as it were it has become that much more complicated. So if this is going to end then the only way for that to happen is for Hezbollah Hamas [and Syria and Iran and others] to accept Israel's right to exist - in peace - that they do not accept this is the cause of the lack of a peace accord with the Palestinians and it is the cause of the wars over all of this - it is the cause of the terror - because all that terror is advanced on the false premise of attacking a so-called zionist world domination - all bunk - so - when they give up these false ideas - then - there can be peace. Who cannot understand?

The "them" I was indicating were my points - Quote: Don you are foaming at the mouth for some heated debate it's so obvious...geez you think I'm gonna jump into that? Reply: Foaming at the mouth - hardly - I put forward a well thought-out and well-presented answer to the title posting and I wasn't asking for any debate I was simply asking for your thoughts - of course - here on message boards 'debate' is usually what goes on - so I don't know - I think that you posted the title post to debate the issues - as the issue has a for and an against position and clearly - you fall under the against position - that is why you don't want to discuss the ideas advanced within your title posting? You hate Mr. Bush and I don't - why should that impact this discussion? Actually I think that he too could learn some facts from this discussion!

No worse than your pretending here - right?

Yea 'whatever' is right - so still no comments from you on my points - I guess you cannot tear them down so you're leaving the discussion?

You wish to not exist anymore - yes God can do this - He can merge you into an unmanifest state from which you'll have no awareness of anything - including yourself and God. So here is what you do - try to live this life in such a way that you can earn His favor - then - when you die and are in a position to be liberated - you may ask Him for this. Of course there is no possibility of this without first reaching a liberated state - after all - this place is a prison house of souls and however much we wish to make it into something else - it is a prison house. God will never spring us until we're ready. How to know when that is? When we no longer live of the world but rather within it only....

As the Absolute Truth - consider that Krishna can be conspicuous by His absence

Here is a variation of another picture I put together: "God is One"

Yes now I'm [more directly] his supporter. As you can see within hundreds of my postings here on this site - I've long encouraged the 'freedom fighters' toward peace and understanding - [theoretically] presenting a broad spectrum of possibilities for everyone of consequence - but - the so-called 'freedom fighters' only want war so - what can we do? I shall not encourage people to show respect where none is due and - to where it'll do no good. In any event I pray that America's political direction moves away from the evangelical toward a more broad and inclusive position - taking more regard to 'time and circumstances' in their policies [it's happening] - in any event - I wasn't ever against him - only some of his ideas.

This is about terrorism and Jew hating islamist groups [actually they hate anyone who's not an islamist] that wish to usurp our world - to impose things far worse than any western leaders can come up with - this isn't about any other thing...

evangelistic = electing Siva A neat anagram!

Then respectfully - you missed my point.

Yes that is what I thought [and I'm pleased you did post it because it gave me a chance to present my noted points] - so what do you think of my points? Hari Bolo!