Bhakta Don Muntean

...you don't know it's a christian - why say that?

"ME ME ME" "so so so" No - not fantasy stories at all - just because you cannot see God in that picture doesn't mean He ain't there...so tell me - what is God - tell me your story - bub...

Of course there can be a moderate Islam independent of this radical and in some cases - historical Islam. However - the true Islam - so-called moderate Islam needs to show a severe intolerant face to the extremists who target their youth into this cult of terror. If they don't do this they shall continue to lose their youth to these groups. In those places in the world where radical Islam holds power [and they begin to ill manipulate outside their borders] - those places shall be judged by God - they shall see - they cannot follow the path they are on and not expect the world to become [even in part] empowered by God to defeat them - just as is the case when any such big big demons [like communists one day?] advent their terror on the world. Dharma will prevail - it does everytime!

I think Karen is confused on some issues...

No - we shall see the start of a needed norm - accountability for leaders who earn it - the world has had enough of despots...

Bogus!

Gee - why more of this pointless crap?

How is the earth worse off?

Time for the sane free world to punch them with an iron fist? Let them know that they are just displaying a stupid wannabe position - smack with the iron fist and - that dictator might think twice. Of course i wonder if china is really helping them and pretending to be otherwise disposed to this issue...

Interesting...i wonder how widely it'll be distributed?

Hmmm - you mention the Vietnam War - tell me did Prabhupada preach against all war? Hmmm? Oh and he didn't single out America - he spoke of this in this fashion: In this age of Kali the propensity for mercy is almost nil. Consequently there is always fighting and wars between men and nations. Men do not understand that because they unrestrictedly kill so many animals, they also must be slaughtered like animals in big wars. This is very much evident in the Western countries. In the West, slaughterhouses are maintained without restriction, and therefore every fifth or tenth year there is a big war in which countless people are slaughtered even more cruelly than the animals. Sometimes during war, soldiers keep their enemies in concentration camps and kill them in very cruel ways. These are reactions brought about by unrestricted animal-killing in the slaughterhouse and by hunters in the forest. Proud, demoniac persons do not know the laws of nature, or the laws of God. Consequently, they unrestrictedly kill poor animals, not caring for them at all. [sB 4.26.5, PURPORT] No mention of 'America' - as that is a general observation about this age - not about America. You are drawing a conclusion that isn't there. One has to take birth according to one’s activities of life. And, after finishing one term of activities, one has to die to take birth for the next. In this way the cycle of birth and death is revolving, one after the other without liberation. This cycle of birth and death does not, however, support unnecessary murder, slaughter and war. But at the same time, violence and war are inevitable factors in human society for keeping law and order. [bG 2.27, PURPORT] Though the soul is immortal, violence is not encouraged, but at the time of war it is not discouraged when there is actual need for it. That need must be justified in terms of the sanction of the Lord, and not capriciously. [bG 2.30, PURPORT] There are many demoniac people, and each is enemy to the others. This enmity becomes more and more deep—between persons, then between families, then between societies, and at last between nations. Therefore there is constant strife, war and enmity all over the world. Each demoniac person thinks that he can live at the sacrifice of all others. [bG 16.16, PURPORT] In this age there is enmity toward poor animals, and therefore the poor creatures are always anxious. The reaction of the poor animals is being forced on human society, and therefore there is always the strain of cold or hot war between men, individually, collectively or nationally. [sB 1.10.6, PURPORT] Such kings have full responsibility and knowledge from authorities about the administration of the world. But at times, due to the influence of the ignorance mode of material nature (tamo-guna), the lowest of the material modes, kings and administrators come into power without knowledge and responsibility, and such foolish administrators live like animals for the sake of their own personal interest. The result is that the whole atmosphere becomes surcharged with anarchy and vicious elements. Nepotism, bribery, cheating, aggression and, therefore, famine, epidemic, war and similar other disturbing features become prominent in human society. [sB 1.10.25, PURPORT] The question is how to know if war is by the whim of a leader or otherwise 'sanctioned' by God? Well let's just see the point - as it is - for our western leaders - that according to the rulings of the Codes of Manu - an aggressor - is to be killed. So what a broad case indeed it is that can be made against these noted aggressors and thugs - that the security and maybe even the nature of the western world is threatened by them [sooner or later] is quite obvious. Did you read that notorious Letter that the president of iran wrote to the U.S. President [in reality - it was a letter making threats to the westernized nations in general!]? Your whole point ignores what is going on in our world with these aggressors that are 'radical islam' and their 'global revolution' - of course - iran figures very much into all that - so - i don't see how we [the world] can ignore this one.

Very nice. God Bless JPS.

Still hamas has not done the right thing - they dug a tunnel and abducted the soldier - like some ENVIOUS serpent emerging from a hole. This is just months into their leadership - the people who are now suffering because of this action aught to think about 'why' they voted for these terrorists - even fatah with all their problems would not have done this. I'm pleased that Israel is punching hard in this case because if they don't - then hamas will try to walk all over them - on the plea that it's all for the [so-called] 'resistance' - they'll continue to do heinous things - such as this abduction. Israel cannot negotiate [on any issue] with these leaders - how cannot that be clear? So if hamas is really motivated by the future needs and interests - of the people who elected them then they will step aside and - there shall be a new election and - they shall not run again. Instead i think that they don't have the interests of their people at heart - no - their real motivation is the global islamic revolution - for which they shall 'use' the palestianians and their conflict. Clearly hamas hates Israel and Jews and hindus and christians - really - they too want that all of the world should be caught-up in the islamic global 'revolution' - and for that - to attack at the jews [who they think control the world] - they manipulate this noted conflict and - the peoples who are their pawns - mean nothing to them. It [democracy] really is a sad thing [in some places] in one sense - in that democratic choice can lead to such radicals taking office. So I pray that this matter can be concluded without further issues and - to do that hamas must send the soldier home - so what are they waiting for? Just think - one day we may read [in future generations] - we may read that - 'WWIII started over one soldier'....[and that is what hamas and their hell-bent allies want?].

May God make the Hamas see that it's abduction of that soldier was a cowardly and sick thing to do - may God help them to see that they better return him unharmed - otherwise - who can have any sympathy for the palestinians? They already murdered a young man - what does that say? I don't think that Hamas can be trusted - i don't think they can change. They will not recognize Israel's right to exist and - why not? Could it be that Hamas' whole ideology is like a nazi one? It most certainly is based in hate and the mode of ignorance! The people of 'palestine' should have NEVER elected these hamas frauds who are nothing more than - terrorists and - they cannot expect the world to now deal with them as though it's all - 'in the ordinary course of activities'...

Very cool indeed - may God fully empower JNdas!

May the Lord open your eyes - because if you don't learn from this it'll have potential to become a sad pattern - you must ask yourself why you were drawn by her [especially in those first meetings] - learn what it is in you that was blind to her clues - as she must have given some [in retrospect] so here is a good narration for you to consider here - the bold text is the crux of the issue: SB 8.12.1-2: Sukadeva Gosvami said: The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Hari, in the form of a woman, captivated the demons and enabled the demigods to drink the nectar. After hearing of these pastimes, Lord Siva, who is carried by a bull, went to the place where Madhusudana, the Lord, resides. Accompanied by his wife, Uma, and surrounded by his companions, the ghosts, Lord Siva went there to see the Lord's form as a woman. SB 8.12.3: The Supreme Personality of Godhead welcomed Lord Siva and Uma with great respect, and after being seated comfortably, Lord Siva duly worshiped the Lord and smilingly spoke as follows. SB 8.12.4: Lord Mahadeva said: O chief demigod among the demigods, O all-pervading Lord, master of the universe, by Your energy You are transformed into the creation. You are the root and efficient cause of everything. You are not material. Indeed, You are the Supersoul or supreme living force of everything. Therefore, You are Paramesvara, the supreme controller of all controllers. SB 8.12.5: The manifest, the unmanifest, false ego and the beginning, maintenance and annihilation of this cosmic manifestation all come from You, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. But because You are the Absolute Truth, the supreme absolute spirit soul, the Supreme Brahman, such changes as birth, death and sustenance do not exist in You. SB 8.12.6: Pure devotees or great saintly persons who desire to achieve the highest goal in life and who are completely free from all material desires for sense gratification engage constantly in the transcendental service of Your lotus feet. SB 8.12.7: My Lord, You are the Supreme Brahman, complete in everything. Being completely spiritual, You are eternal, free from the material modes of nature, and full of transcendental bliss. Indeed, for You there is no question of lamentation. Since You are the supreme cause, the cause of all causes, nothing can exist without You. Yet we are different from You in a relationship of cause and effect, for in one sense the cause and effect are different. You are the original cause of creation, manifestation and annihilation, and You bestow benedictions upon all living entities. Everyone depends upon You for the results of his activities, but You are always independent. SB 8.12.8: My dear Lord, Your Lordship alone is the cause and the effect. Therefore, although You appear to be two, You are the absolute one. As there is no difference between the gold of a golden ornament and the gold in a mine, there is no difference between cause and effect; both of them are the same. Only because of ignorance do people concoct differences and dualities. You are free from material contamination, and since the entire cosmos is caused by You and cannot exist without You, it is an effect of Your transcendental qualities. Thus the conception that Brahman is true and the world false cannot be maintained. : Those who are known as the impersonalist Vedantists regard You as the impersonal Brahman. Others, known as the Mimamsaka philosophers, regard You as religion. The Sankhya philosophers regard You as the transcendental person who is beyond prakriti and purusha and who is the controller of even the demigods. The followers of the codes of devotional service known as the Pancaratras regard You as being endowed with nine different potencies. And the Patanjala philosophers, the followers of Patanjali Muni, regard You as the supreme independent Personality of Godhead, who has no equal or superior. SB 8.12.10: O my Lord, I, who am considered to be the best of the demigods, and Lord and the great rishis, headed by , are born of the mode of goodness. Nonetheless, we are bewildered by Your illusory energy and cannot understand what this creation is. Aside from us, what is to be said of others, like the demons and human beings, who are in the base modes of material nature [rajo- and tamo-]? How will they know You? : My Lord, You are the supreme knowledge personified. You know everything about this creation and its beginning, maintenance and annihilation, and You know all the endeavors made by the living entities, by which they are either implicated in this material world or liberated from it. As the air enters the vast sky and also enters the bodies of all moving and nonmoving entities, You are present everywhere, and therefore You are the knower of all. SB 8.12.12: My Lord, I have seen all kinds of incarnations You have exhibited by Your transcendental qualities, and now that You have appeared as a beautiful young woman, I wish to see that form of Your Lordship. [he could not get Her out of His mind - She was haunting his memories] SB 8.12.13: My Lord, we [He and His Wife or just Him?] have come here desiring to see that form of Your Lordship which You showed to the demons to captivate them completely and in this way enable the demigods to drink nectar. I am very eager to see that form. SB 8.12.14: Sukadeva Gosvami said: When Lord was thus requested by Lord , who carries a trident in his hand, He smiled with gravity ;)and replied to Lord as follows. SB 8.12.15: The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: When the demons took away the jug of nectar, I assumed the form of a beautiful woman to bewilder them by directly cheating them and thus to act in the interest of the demigods. [not to 'attract' Shiva!] SB 8.12.16: O best of the demigods, I shall now show you My form that is very much appreciated by those who are lusty. Since you want to see that form, I shall reveal it in your presence. SB 8.12.17: Sukadeva Gosvami continued: After speaking in this way, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, , immediately disappeared, and Lord remained there with , looking for Him all around with moving eyes. SB 8.12.18: Thereafter, in a nice forest nearby, full of trees with reddish-pink leaves and varieties of flowers, Lord saw a beautiful woman playing with a ball. Her hips were covered with a shining and ornamented with a belt. SB 8.12.19: Because the ball was falling down and bouncing up, as She played with it Her breasts trembled, and because of the weight of those breasts and Her heavy flower garlands, Her waist appeared to be all but breaking at every step, as Her two soft feet, which were reddish like coral, moved here and there. SB 8.12.20: The woman's face was decorated by broad, beautiful, restless eyes, which moved as the ball bounced here and there from Her hand. The two brilliant earrings on Her ears decorated Her shining cheeks like bluish reflections, and the hair scattered on Her face made Her even more beautiful to see. SB 8.12.21: As She played with the ball, the covering Her body became loose, and Her hair scattered. She tried to bind Her hair with Her beautiful left hand, and at the same time She played with the ball by striking it with Her right hand. This was so attractive that the Supreme Lord, by His internal potency, in this way captivated everyone. SB 8.12.22: While Lord observed the beautiful woman playing with the ball, She sometimes glanced at him and slightly smiled in bashfulness. As he looked at the beautiful woman and She watched him, he forgot both himself and , his most beautiful wife, as well as his associates nearby. SB 8.12.23: When the ball leaped from Her hand and fell at a distance, the woman began to follow it, but as Lord observed these activities, a breeze suddenly blew away the fine dress and belt that covered her. SB 8.12.24: Thus Lord Siva saw the woman, every part of whose body was beautifully formed, and the beautiful woman also looked at him. Therefore, thinking that She was attracted to him, Lord Siva became very much attracted to Her. SB 8.12.25: Lord , his good sense taken away by the woman because of lusty desires to enjoy with Her, became so mad for Her that even in the presence of [his wife] he did not hesitate to approach Her. SB 8.12.26: The beautiful woman was already naked, and when She saw Lord coming toward Her, She became extremely bashful. Thus She kept smiling, but She hid Herself among the trees and did not stand in one place. SB 8.12.27: His senses being agitated, Lord , victimized by lusty desires, began to follow Her, just as a lusty elephant follows a she-elephant. SB 8.12.28: After following Her with great speed, Lord caught Her by the braid of Her hair and dragged Her near him. Although She was unwilling, he embraced Her with his arms. [just see how 'mad' one may become with surrender to lust!] SB 8.12.29-30: Being embraced by Lord like a female elephant embraced by a , the woman, whose hair was scattered, swirled like a snake. O King, this woman, who had large, high hips, was a woman of presented by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. She released Herself somehow or other from the fond embrace of Lord 's arms and ran away. SB 8.12.31: As if harassed by an enemy in the form of lusty desires, Lord followed the path of Lord , who acts very wonderfully and who had taken the form of . SB 8.12.32: Just as a maddened bull elephant follows a female elephant who is able to conceive pregnancy, Lord followed the beautiful woman and discharged semen, even though his discharge of semen never goes in vain. SB 8.12.33: O King, wheresoever on the surface of the globe fell the semen of the great personality of Lord Siva, mines of gold and silver later appeared. SB 8.12.34: Following , Lord went everywhere -- near the shores of the rivers and lakes, near the mountains, near the forests, near the gardens, and wherever there lived great sages. SB 8.12.35: O , best of kings, when Lord had fully discharged semen, he could see how he himself had been victimized by the illusion created by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Thus he restrained himself from any further . SB 8.12.36: Thus Lord Siva could understand his position and that of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who has unlimited potencies. Having reached this understanding, he was not at all surprised by the wonderful way Lord Vishnu had acted upon him. SB 8.12.37: Seeing Lord Siva unagitated and unashamed, Lord Vishnu [Madhusudana] was very pleased. Thus He resumed His original form and spoke as follows. SB 8.12.38: The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: O best of the demigods, although you have been amply harassed because of My potency in assuming the form of a woman, you are established in your position. Therefore, may all good fortune be upon you. SB 8.12.39: My dear Lord Sambhu, who within this material world but you can surpass My illusory energy? People are generally attached to sense enjoyment and conquered by its influence. Indeed, the influence of material nature is very difficult for them to surmount. SB 8.12.40: The material, external energy [maya], who cooperates with Me in creation and who is manifested in the three modes of nature, will not be able to bewilder you any longer. SB 8.12.41: Sukadeva Gosvami said: O King, having thus been praised by the Supreme Personality, who bears the mark of Srivatsa on His chest, Lord Siva circumambulated Him. Then, after taking permission from Him, Lord Siva returned to his abode, Kailasa, along with his associates. SB 8.12.42: O descendant of Bharata Maharaja, Lord Siva, in jubilation, then addressed his wife, Bhavani, who is accepted by all authorities as the potency of Lord Vishnu. SB 8.12.43: Lord Siva said: O Goddess, you have now seen the illusory energy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is the unborn master of everyone. Although I am one of the principal expansions of His Lordship, even I was illusioned by His energy. What then is to be said of others, who are fully dependent on maya? SB 8.12.44: When I finished performing mystic yoga for one thousand years, you asked me upon whom I was meditating. Now, here is that Supreme Person to whom time has no entrance and who the Vedas cannot understand. SB 8.12.45: Sukadeva Gosvami said: My dear King, the person who bore the great mountain on His back for the churning of the ocean of milk is the same Supreme Personality of Godhead, known as Sarnga-dhanva. I have now described to you His prowess. SB 8.12.46: The endeavor of one who constantly hears or describes this narration of the churning of the ocean of milk will never be fruitless. Indeed, chanting the glories of the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the only means to annihilate all sufferings in this material world. SB 8.12.47: Assuming the form of a young woman and thus bewildering the demons, the Supreme Personality of Godhead distributed to His devotees, the demigods, the nectar produced from the churning of the ocean of milk. Unto that Supreme Personality of Godhead, who always fulfills the desires of His devotees, I offer my respectful obeisances. http://vedabase.net/sb/8/12/en1

yer welcome

it would be nice to know the right method to teach them knowledge so they can actually see how corrupted their water down scripture has become So you may not make a good preacher to them - due to comments like that...?