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  1. "...And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all peoples..." [Zechariah 12.3]
  2. "...And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all peoples..." [Zechariah 12.3]
  3. Blue ones? Wow Krishna colored meds! Nope don't take such things and i'm sure you can figure that out! I'm one of Krishna's 'stooges' and on that pretext I understand things in a far more broad fashion - I like this quote as rendered in my amateur attempts at graphics - which could be better but - i'm limited to 1.5 MB in file upload size at the free host [www.imageshack.us] so it limits both the size and number of frames i can place into a gif animation: "...And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all peoples..." [Zechariah 12.3] So that is the way it is - now that the nations of the earth rail against her God shall make her a burdensome stone - we should see that Zechariah chapter 12 texts 1-10 are telling of a time to come - if the nations try to put an end to her. Recall this: ...so the angel that spoke with me said unto me: 'Proclaim thou, saying: Thus saith the LORD of hosts: I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy; and I am very sore displeased with the nations that are at ease; for I was but a little displeased, and they helped for evil. Therefore thus saith the LORD: I return to Jerusalem with compassions: My house shall be built in it, saith the LORD of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth over Jerusalem. Again, proclaim, saying: Thus saith the LORD of hosts: My cities shall again overflow with prosperity; and the LORD shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem. [Zechariah 1.14-17] So that part - 'I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy; and I am very sore displeased with the nations that are at ease; for I was but a little displeased, and they helped for evil.' - that means that God is angry at the nations of the world for it's treatment of His exiled - because He was 'but a little displeased' and yet - the nations after the 70 C.E. exile - were to have 'helped for evil' [or helped forward the afflications] and they were 'at ease' with doing so. Sounds pretty clear to me!
  4. That is a great essay - I like this: We show who we are by what we react to and how we do the reacting. The point about someone who pulls a gun on the driver who cut in front of him is not that his reaction was disproportionate. The point is that in doing so, he reveals something important about who he really is.
  5. 1200 B.C.E. - Lower Egypt’s remaining Jews are expelled at the end of the 19th Dynasty. 586 B.C.E.. - First Temple in Jerusalem is destroyed by the Babylonians. 168 B.C.E. - The Romans defile the Holy Temple, erecting a statue of Zeus and sacrificing swine. Observance of the Sabbath and circumcision are banned. 0 - The Second Temple is destroyed by the Romans. 73 - Roman troops storm Masada after a 3 year siege. The Jewish inhabitants kill themselves rather than submit to Roman slavery. <!-- Content here added by ThinkQuest: --> 135 A.D. - A Jewish diaspora begins as Hadrian bars Jews from Jerusalem and has survivors of the massacre dispersed across the empire. Those who escape are sold into slavery. 627 - Enemies of the prophet Mohammed move on Medina from Mecca and slaughter 700 Jews. 1099 - Crusaders break into Jerusalem, and set fire to a synagogue where Jews are taking refuge, burning them to death. Those who survived are sold as slaves or ransomed. 1290 - England’s Edward I exiles the country’s Jews. 1306 - Jews are expelled from France. England whips and expels some 100,000 Jews who have remained since Edward I’s expulsion order of 1290. 1348 - Jews are blamed for spreading the Black Death by deliberately contaminating wells and by "anointing" people and houses with poison. The Jews are herded into wooden buildings and burned alive. At Strasbourg more than 2,000 Jewish scapegoats are hanged on a scaffold erected at the Jewish burying ground. 1349 - Jews are expelled from Hungary. 1391 - Seville has a pogrom in June that spreads throughout Andalusia as Spaniards seek scapegoats for the Black Death. Castilian sailors set fire to the Barcelona ghetto, and for 4 days a mob rages out of control, killing hundreds. Many Spanish Jews will accept conversion in the next few years. 1400 - 1772 - Jews are restricted from Russia. 1414 - Cologne, a town in western Germany, expels its Jews. 1421 - Jews are expelled from Austria. 1478 - Isabella of Castile launches an Inquisition against converted Jews who secretly practice their original faith, persecuting the so-called Marranos (the word originally meant pigs). 1492 - A decree issued March 31 by Ferdinand and Isabella orders Granada’s 150,000 Jews to sell their property and leave the country by July 31 "for the honor and glory of God." Ferdinand decrees November 23 that all property and assets left by the Jews belong to the Crown, even those now in Christian hands. 1497 - Jews are expelled from Portugal. 1555 - Pope Paul IV orders that Rome’s Jewish quarter be surrounded by a wall, creating the ghetto of Rome, claiming "God has imposed servitude until they should have recognized their errors". 1648 - A Ukrainian pogrom by Greek Orthodox peasants destroys hundreds of Jewish communities, killing all who will not accept the cross. The general populace joined this genocide, which degrades and tortures Jews before murdering them. 1657- Oliver Cromwell tacitly permits Jews to return to England. 1744 - Maria Theresa launches a pogrom to drive the Jews out of Bohemia and Moravia. Even where tolerated, Europe’s Jews often live under degrading conditions with regulations designed to limit their expansion and keep their status at a low level. 1772 - Jews are admitted into Russia, but are confined to the Pale of Settlement, a narrow strip of land. 1788 - Josef II orders Austrian Jews to adopt "proper recognizable surnames." They have been known until now largely by biblical patronyms and when some object to changing their names, the emperor’s officials give them such surnames as "Fresser,Pferd," and "Weinglas." 1789 - French Revolution: French National Association denounce equal rights for French Jews. 1807 - Napoleon forces leading rabbis and leaders to disavow Jewish commitments and pledge allegiance to France alone. 1881 - Russia’s new czar Aleksandr III makes Jews the scapegoats for the assassination of his father. He vows to kill one-third of the country’s Jews, drive out another third, and convert the rest, beginning a series of pogroms that will spur the emigration of millions of Jews in the next 30 years. 1893 - Antisemitism mounts in France as Jews are blamed for the collapse in 1889 of the Panama Canal Co., whose bankruptcy has cost many French investors their savings. 1894 - A French court martial convicts Army captain Alfred Dreyfus, 35, of having passed military information to German agents. Dreyfus will later be proved innocent, but the Dreyfus case adds to the growing Antisemitism in France. Viennese journalist Theodore Herzl, 34, covers the trial and hears the Paris mob cry, "Death to the Jews!" This experience would influence Herzl to become the father of the Zionist movement which inspired the creation of the State of Israel. 1898 -"J’Accuse!" headlines the Paris newspaper L’Aurore January 18 over an open letter by novelist Emile Zola. His attack forces a new trial of Capt. Dreyfus. It is revealed that Dreyfus was the victim of an Antisemitic plot. 1913 - The Anti-Defamation League is founded by B’Nai B’rith (Sons of the Covenant) to fight anti-Semitism in America. 1915 - A new Ku Klux Klan is legally chartered in Georgia. It employs terrorist tactics against blacks, Jews, and Roman Catholics. The new leader calls his KKK a "high-class, mystic, social, patriotic, benevolent association" dedicated to "white supremacy," the protection of Southern womanhood, and "Americanism," and claims it will promote his "invisible empire." It will attract a membership of nearly 100,000 throughout the country within 6 years, concentrating political power to elect sympathetic U.S. senators, congressmen, and state officials. <tt>http://library.thinkquest.org/12307/astl_fr.html </tt> Then later came the Nazi pogrom - that was to make these other events pale in comparison! <tt>"Burn all synagogues. Destroy all Jewish dwellings. Confiscate the Jews' holy books. Forbid rabbis to teach. Forbid Jews to travel. Forbid Jews to charge interest on loans to non-Jews and confiscate Jewish property. Force Jews to do physical labor. Expel the Jews from provinces where Christians live." - Martin Luther in the pamphlet "Concerning the Jews and Their Lies." Early sixteenth century. I think that Martin Luther embodies the nasty nature to which this thinking can sink to - let's not forget that 'he' was suppossed to be some great 'protestant and reformer' - what was he protesting? The so-called injustices of the catholic church - of which he was clergy - then he defected and did that do anything to help him reform his hate for Jews? Not apparently! Here is a particular nasty comment from him as recorded [more than once!] within his noted pamphlet - [which can be found online]: </tt>"Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious jewel that God and all the angels dance when he farts?" <tt> Just see that offensive thinking and - to smear God too into it that way! The sad part of this is that people still think his 'other' writings are worth something! </tt> <tt>"In Morocco in 1907, a huge massacre of Jews took place in Casablanca, along with the usual embellishments-rape, women carried away into the mountains, hundreds of homes and shops burned, etc... In 1912 a big massacre in Fez...girls and women raped in front of their families, the stomachs of pregnant women slashed open, the infants ripped out of them, children smashed with crowbars... All this can be found in the newspapers of the time, including the local Arab papers." "Roughly speaking and in the best of cases, the Jew is protected like a dog which is part of man's property, but if he raises his head or acts like a man, then he must be beaten so that he will always remember his status." - Writings of Albert Memmi, a noted French Jewish novelist</tt> <tt>"[The Jews are] our masters and our enemies, whom we detest... the most abominable people in the world. In short they are a totally ignorant nation who, for many years, have combined contemptible miserliness and the most revolting superstition with a violent hatred of all those nations that have tolerated them... your priests have always sacrificed human victims with their sacred hands." - Voltaire's Dictionnaire Philosophique, in which 30 of his 118 articles described the Jews, Eighteenth Century.</tt> <tt>"The euthanasia of Judaism can only be achieved by means of a pure, moral religion, and the abandonment of all old legal regulations." - Immanuel Kant, major German thinker of the late eighteenth century.</tt> <tt>"What is the secular cult of the Jew? Haggling. What is his secular god? Money. Well them! Emancipation from haggling and money, from practical, real Judaism would be the self-emancipation of our time! Money is the jealous God of Israel, besides which no other God may stand." - Karl Marx in one of his first major essays, "On the Jewish Question," mid nineteenth century.</tt> <tt>"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist. Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the labor leaders, and I did not speak out - because I was not a labor leader. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me." - Reverend Martin Niemoellier, a pastor in the German Confessing Church who spent seven years in a concentration camp.</tt> <tt>So when talking about disproportionate reactions - we need to see all of the history - of course - let's again look at these words - from the scriptures:</tt> ...so the angel that spoke with me said unto me: 'Proclaim thou, saying: Thus saith the LORD of hosts: I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy; and I am very sore displeased with the nations that are at ease; for I was but a little displeased, and they helped for evil. Therefore thus saith the LORD: I return to Jerusalem with compassions: My house shall be built in it, saith the LORD of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth over Jerusalem. Again, proclaim, saying: Thus saith the LORD of hosts: My cities shall again overflow with prosperity; and the LORD shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem. [Zechariah 1.14-17] So that part - 'I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy; and I am very sore displeased with the nations that are at ease; for I was but a little displeased, and they helped for evil.' - that means that God is angry at the nations of the world for it's treatment of His exiled - because He was 'but a little displeased' and yet - the nations after the 70 C.E. exile - were to have 'helped for evil' [or helped forward the afflications] and they were 'at ease' with doing so. <tt>I think that this should all be understood and - please try to understand what </tt><tt>Reverend Martin Niemoellierb meant in his words:</tt> <tt>"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist. Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the labor leaders, and I did not speak out - because I was not a labor leader. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me."</tt>
  6. Here he is critical of followers - not the faith groups themselves and - we both accept Krishna - yet - we're not getting along - go figure?
  7. [i first posted this two years ago] Alas it's been long "published" -- and as suspected it falls more than somewhat short - the "Road Map" is seemingly unrealistic - FIRST; it's 'time-lines' aren't 'timely' enough - SECOND: there's the document's overt focus on the Palestinian's latest 'Uprising' - it thus places far too many of the responsibilities on the Palestinians - for the provocation, the violence, and - its end - before steps to resolution of the causative issues themselves - [the Road Map Plan avoids a delving 'deeper' into the underlying issues themselves!]. ---- Thus the 'semi international' "Road MapPlan" does NOT outline in any detail its purposed [resolution] methods - nor even present 'suggestions' on how the parties are to going to deal with these issues - [really it's a plan - without a plan!] - all we are told is that 'later' in a projected "phase three" [in 2005] there will be convened - an "International Conference", to decide the issue of Jerusalem and 'final borders' for both States [just see the pointlessness of a Plan which speaks of 'final borders' which we already know are going to have to be [as far as possible] a non fragmented 50/50 cut - and that's it, that's all!?]. ---- The "Road Map" Plan reads: "...a negotiated resolution on the status of Jerusalem that takes into account the political and religious concerns of both sides, and protects the religious interests of Jews, Christians, and Muslims worldwide...". ---- This Road Map is sounding like it's navigating into the general direction of a FAILED [in theory and practicality] U.N. Resolution - (#181) [drafted in 1947] - certainly not withstanding everyone's best intentions - an 'International Jerusalem' city-state will not be a workable 'Regional' entity! ---- A logical and fair solution - as outlined within our Peace Plan [in this string] suggests looking at these issues - within a timely manner - with a realistic regard to the Rights of ALL the peoples in THAT Region - i.e.: the Middle East Region - specifically, Rights of the the Middle East populations - to a 'peace and security' - certainly has precedent over ANY - "religious interests" [centered on the region] of 'others' residing "WORLDWIDE"! It seems a simple logical point? ---- Further the most important religious "interest" of - "...Jews, Christians, and Muslims worldwide..." - should be REAL PEACE for those living in the Region - otherwise 'what' is the meaning to their ideas of a far-away 'Holy Land'? ---- When looking into the past and future of these issues - we can see 'continuous adjustments' have been made by these parties [Palestine and Israel] to cope with each other - thus having at least 'that' as a positive commonality - here is a simple arrangement for them to consider serving as a basis for a fair concession: ---- "...part of the 'Justice' here naturally demands that Jerusalem is going to have be [again] a fully Israeli City...Palestine must receive [without debt] as *'instantly*' as possible - a comprehensive new "State of the Art" Capital City...". [*a "right of return" concession may be bridged through this Plan!*] ---- So within 'that' simple 'concession' - we see the 'direction' to a proper 'resolution' on this Jerusalem issue - of course our Peace Plan [which was sent to various World Leaders] clearly outlines 'how' this HISTORIC "move" should be undertaken - we see no point in suggesting a Plan without practical methods to meet its end! ---- We sincerely pray to God that these realistic ideas can take hold within the portfolio's of those leaders in all the right places - because if they are to employ any 'Road Map' to peace - there better be a Factual Destination...
  8. We shall all witness soon the peaceful dismantlement of the Zionist State "Israel". Just see! So that is their solution? Sounds like they are on the same page as the islamists!?
  9. So what? If one does read my postings with an open mind they might see that i'm presenting things in a proper fashion - i'm right. Often that is seen but too many people feel more comfortable within the delusions that they are living - they fear the truths shall be the end of them and that isn't the case - it's the inducing of an end to shadowy understandings and the dark earth environment that goes with it.
  10. Bhakta Ron Sunteam writes: "Lets see what this grandson of Holocaust victims says - hopefully his presentation of solid facts is not being offended that easy - although speaking the plain truth isnt sometimes welcomed by some." Well isn't that cute! I get a kick out of this Makow dude - it seems that alot of people jump over to his opinions against Jewish people to support thier own. How is it that this guy is considered an authority? Is it that he is a "grandson of Holocaust victims" - why should that make him a fact bringer? Why should that make a reader believe his ideas? So let's see what he writes i'm adding text changes in color to highlight certain points: Is Lebanon Israel's Iraq? By Henry Makow Ph.D. Telltale signs suggest that Freemason Ehud Olmert is obeying his Illuminati controllers and setting Israel up for a painful setback if not destruction. These signs include: 1.)Israel's traitorous leaders have deliberately inflamed and united 1.2 billion Muslims in order to promote the "war of civilizations." Olmert's acts are designed to further discredit Israel, just as Bush has discredited the US. This is the reason for the obliteration of the UN Observation Post, the use of phosphorous bombs, and the attacks on ambulances and civilians, the latest in Qana Sunday. Israel's barbarism seems designed to draw Syria and Iran into the war. Morally, it taints and entraps pro-war Israelis and their American and Jewish backers in the coming cataclysm. 2) The devastation of Lebanon simply cannot be justified in the context of the conflict-to-date. The number of Israeli soldiers and civilians killed by the Hezbollah since Israel left Lebanon in July 2000 comes to about 25. [that isn' the point Mr. Makow the point is 10000 or more katyusha rockets that have ball bearings and shrappnel panels in them] Add the 10 killed or captured Jul 12, 2006 and you have 35. That's barely six-a- year. To put this in perspective, in 2004 there were 480 deaths due to traffic accidents. I couldn't find a single reference to death caused by a katyusha rocket fired into Northern Israel during this period. And remember all this involved territory Israel didn't leave and provocations on both sides. ("Hezbollah terrorist attacks since May 2000," Jewish Post, Winnipeg, July 26,2006) On Jan 29 2004, Israel released 400 Arab prisoners in exchange for an Israeli businessman and the bodies of three soldiers. There were other such exchanges which set a precedent for the Hezbollah taking 2 prisoners July 12. Israel's psychotic response is a gambit by an invisible player in a larger game. [So what does he want then?] 3) Condoleezza Rice said the war was part of the "painful birth pangs of the new Middle East." How does this birth scenario go? Does Iran nuke Tel Aviv and Haifa? Is Israel the sacrifice necessary to justify razing Tehran? We learn that Israel is moving government offices from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. If the Hezbullah can hit Tel Aviv, they can hit Jerusalem. Is this part of a post-nuclear war scenario where Jerusalem will become a seat of world government and no longer capital of the "Jewish" State? [ ] 4) Other signs that Israel is being set up for failure like the US in Iraq: The war is un-winnable. As others have stated, there are no realistic goals. The Hezbollah are being strengthened not diminished. Iran's Ahmadinejad says Israel "has pushed the self-destruct button... They cannot finish the business they have begun." 5) Israeli soldiers complain that Hezbollah seems to know their actions in advance. Commanders complain they are denied sufficient men for the task. Does this sound familiar? Reports suggest Israel's security infrastructure has been compromised. The army Chief of Staff went to the hospital complaining of stomach pains and exhaustion. 6.) Another telltale sign: A truck bound for Iran carrying radioactive material from Great Britain is stopped in the Balkans. Britain is shipping this material to Iran at a time when supposedly they are trying to stop their nuclear program? WE ARE WAR LEMMINGS The Illuminist chess masters use war to destroy all nations and cull millions of people. The Iraq and Lebanon wars are designed to diminish US and Israel and promote the bogus "war of civilizations." How long are Israelis, Jews, and Americans going to be duped by a "my country-right-or-wrong" mentality. Just because we call them "terrorists" doesn't make them so. This label is a convenient excuse to dismiss people we are subjugating. Israel and the US practice state terrorism. Our leaders are covering up 9-11. They belong to the 230-year-old Order of the Illuminati. The goal of this conspiracy is to destroy Western civilization and usurp the role of God. The Jewish State was set up by the Illuminati. Jews were sacrificed to justify its creation and will be sacrificed again to built the "new Middle East". Possibly Jews in general again will take the blame for the Illuminati, and be sacrificed for the New World Order. Illuminist Mel Gibson's [give me a break these Illuminists are supposed to be Jewish right? and they control the world right? then why would they have Gibson in their club - wouldn't they have already known that he was a jew hater - since the control everything - don't they listen to every house in the world?] - if the recent lunatic anti-Semitic charge that "all wars are caused by Jews" was headlined on the Drudge Report. A Jewish community center in Seattle was attacked Friday killing one woman and critically wounding three more. Jews are easily manipulated because they are taught that people resent them for no reason and they must "defend themselves" (i.e. lash out) or face extinction. This is a self-fulfilling proposition. Not even dogs hate for no reason. Jews are resented because many have been Illuminati pawns. Eg. They provided the backbone of Communism and all of the Illuminati's "revolutionary" (overturning civilization) movements. Their biggest danger lies in their role as Illuminati pawns. The Arab states have offered to accept Israel with the 1967 boundaries. [is it me or does that last sentence seems to make no point to his paragraph?] This is written for the beautiful children on both sides. It is written for the brave, good and intelligent young men killing each other needlessly. The real enemy is your government, which has been subverted. How long are we going to be lemmings of war? Don't we love our children? Our sons and daughters? Our lives? Are we so naive that we throw ourselves off a cliff when they chant the mantra "they want to destroy us;we have a right to defend ourselves";"civilization is under attack" etc. etc.? Are we too stupid for life? All wars are concocted by a powerful satanic cult that wishes to degrade and enslave humanity. Let's reject war and save ourselves. ----- So all the red text shows that he is There is no such evil Illuminati cult - all his ideas are complete bunk! He should study scriptures more and see the facts and truths though the eyes of scriptures...
  11. I can say that of all the devotees i've known - none are suffering from this 'us and them' mentality - the devotees that I know are rightly 'broad minded' and - not very isolationistic...
  12. Yes there is a history with war and religion - and the Satan myth is a big big part of the fuel. When I think of the 'Satan Myth' - I like to consider this good Bhagavata Purana verse: "A rope causes fear for a bewildered person who considers it a snake, but not for a person with proper intelligence who knows it to be only a rope. Similarly, You, as the Super-soul in everyone's heart, inspire fear or fearlessness according to ones intelligence, but in You there is no duality." [srimad Bhagavatam 6.9.37] The concept of 'Satan as a powerful adversary of God' - did not exist in Judaism prior to the 6th century B.C.E. Babylonian exile. This is [partly] evidenced through texts that are ‘pre-exile’ such as - Isaiah 45.7: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the lord do all these things" There was a wholly-evil figure within the Persian religion - the archetype of today’s Satan. In the Persian pantheon - the god Ahura-Mazda - was opposed [co-eternally] by a powerful evil being known as - Ahriman or Shaitan. This concept of a wholly-evil entity was integrated into Hebrew teachings [correlated as a tester] - during the 6th century B.C.E. exile - later over time this interpolated allegorical idea became distorted into the fictitious adversarial Satan of the New Testament. Two Old Testament passages - Isaiah 14.12 and Ezekiel 28.11-19 - have been advanced with much apologetics to provide a depiction of [so-called] Satan. Even though historical evidence confirms that these texts were addressed originally to the King of Babylon and the King of Tyre [in that order] - still many ill-informed people believe the false teachings that the reference is to the fictitious Satan. Let’s take a look at these two texts [of course there are many more]: Isaiah 14.12: "How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!" - 'context' is found in texts 11 and 20 - "All your pomp has been brought down to the grave, along with the noise of your harps; maggots are spread out beneath you and worms cover you." - then see text 20 - "you will not join them in burial, for you have destroyed your land and killed your people" - then again look at text 16 - "Those who see you stare at you, they ponder your fate: "Is this the MAN who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble,.." As we can see [in proper context] Isaiah 14.12 is talking about a long expired MAN - not a fictitious Satan. In referencing Ezekiel 28.11-19 [which is an allegory] - it only appears that there is a discussion about - ‘Satan in the garden of Eden’ - text 13: "You were in Eden, the garden of God;..." In the footnote to this text the New International Version Translation states: "...The meaning of the Hebrew for this phrase is uncertain." We do know the text is about the king of Tyre - it is an allegorical text - nothing in the Hebrew understanding of this verse actually accepts it as an evidence of the existence Satan/Lucifer. Clearly these two texts reflect something 'very different' than a fictitious Satan - that these are the two oft most quoted ‘biblical texts’ to prove [scripturally] that there is a so-called Satan - makes no-sense without elaborate apologetics. Why do so many groups cling to this illusion - preaching that Satan is real - with all the ill-delusional myths which go with it? This is the starting point - prevent others from being sucked into this delusion. Of course the Book of Daniel texts they quote to describe the fictional anti-christ are really about a long ago time - they are about the 'time of the end' under the Syrian persections of Antiochus Epiphanes who desecrated the temple with a zeus idol and pig sacrifices [167 B.C.E.] Please see this link for the full explications: http://www.mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/maccabees.html The book of Daniel simply has no such anti-christ predictions 'yet to come' in the future.
  13. [i thought this posting i did fits well here] It should be noted that in this current conflict with Lebanon - there are going to be some evangelicals [and others] twisting scriptures and the conflict - to further-on their false teachings - of an end times showdown between Jesus [who ain't the messiah] and [a fictional] anti-christ. In the book of Habakkuk there are messianic prophesies but - we often see texts taken out of context - here is an example they might forward - because they [and the Islamists calculate these things too] want to hasten a war in the middle east - as they want to see 'all nations march on Jerusalem' in a 'final' war - where the only Jews to survive are those that convert! So in chapter two of Habakkuk - we read: Woe to him that buildeth a town with blood, and establisheth a city by iniquity! Behold, is it not of the LORD of hosts that the peoples labour for the fire, and the nations weary themselves for vanity? For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. [texts 12-14] For the violence done to Lebanon shall cover thee, and the destruction of the beasts, which made them afraid; because of men's blood, and for the violence done to the land, to the city and to all that dwell therein. [text 17] So it is easy to see how a misapplication of those texts could be lifted onto this current conflict? Such propagandists often point to - 'For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.' - as confirmation of [their version of] messianic connections in this chapter - by saying that the gospel of Christ is being preaching in all nations - so - why should that be any fulfilment of a so-called propehesy here? To say - the knowledge of the glory of the LORD - isn't the same as - the knowledge of the LORD - these are not mutually exclusive points. It should be noted that these texts were originally directed at ancient Jerusalem [and others] - for sins [that our world suffers from as well] it is clear that these were later 'fulfilled' in the exiles of 586 B.C.E. under Babylon and in 30 C.E. - under Rome. These prophesies were in regard to the loss of Jerusalem and - that was seen - as predicted - first under Babylon and thus the first Exile in 586 B.C.E. and - later - at a predicted "Day of the Lord" - which happened in 30 C.E. under Rome - it's not an event - yet in the future. Of course - "The Day of the Lord's Wrath" - may happen at any time - when things are out of control and - it certainly hasn't been limited to Israel in its exercise and yes - it may be that God shall make a judgement again on the world - these are the possibilites created by us and the - language of these texts - which speak of the Day of Judgement and apocalypse are there - as a standing warning - to the whole world of the result of too much sin and rebellion. So - when they bring their propaganda dogma together - they'll [eventually] say that - 'to establish Jerusalem' the Jews [who now await their human messiah who is being defamed by these propaganda-makers as being the anti-christ/al-dajjal] are doing so outside the direction of God and - 'with violence' and - 'by cutting off many peoples' [the Palestinians they'll say] - and that the 'true gospel of messiah' being preached in all the world is the 'sign' of the 'end times' and the so-called second coming of Jesus. They may now think to ill interpolate these texts - saying - 'for it is written - here are the further signs of validity and immanence: "For the violence done to Lebanon shall cover thee"'. Just see with today's current events - Jerusalem and now - this Lebanon conflict! So in-fact the text's saying - is it not of the LORD of hosts that the peoples labour for the fire, and the nations weary themselves for vanity - 'For the violence done to Lebanon shall cover thee' - actually refers to the cutting of the forests of ancient Lebanon - for building big palaces by various ancient conquerors! It also refers to excessive hunting in these forests - by the same conquerors. In-fact in these following texts [9-11] we see an interesting point - "Woe to him that gaineth evil gains for his house, that he may set his nest on high, that he may be delivered from the power of evil! Thou hast devised shame to thy house, by cutting off many peoples, and hast forfeited thy life. For the stone shall cry out of the wall, and the beam out of the timber shall answer it." What is that last point? ' For the stone shall cry out of the wall, and the beam out of the timber shall answer it' - that actually refers to souls being cursed by God to be encaged 'within stones and timber' [for the noted building of any town with blood] - yup it's 'a form' taken though rebirth! So what many practical things can we know from these texts? We know that prophetically these texts have nothing to do with today's conflicts. We know that they aren't messianic texts. It should be noted that most of the texts within the prophesies [that they quote] that note 'the day of the Lord' - well - these were a prediction of the last destruction of Israel and the Exile - these have been fullfilled in 30 C.E. under Rome and - one can say that with that last Exile - the people who were sincere - took the Torah with them and indeed - the earth was filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. - also - that is a point speaking directly to 'the act of the Lord in doing these things' a 'judgement' - that the nations witnessing this would know thus His glory and - it would lead to the earth being filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. - so it's a homeletical point about God's reputation and - the other nations knowing this act of 'judgement' of His - however - with that - we musn't forget that He was 'but a little displeased with them' and - the nations later [against His will] 'helped forward the afflictions of His exiled' [culminating in the nazi pogroms] - and the nations were at ease with that! Of course there are practical things to be learned from those texts - no matter who and when we are....
  14. The rapture shall be a rupture - maybe they read it wrong? This is the sum and substance of what my 'Origins of the satan myth' thread is about - it is odd that both the 'orthodox' evangelicals and the 'orthodox' islamists both are expecting a judgement day and an anti-christ figure [islamists call it the al-dajjal] - and they both with their delusional undersanding think that this apocalypse 'must come' - so in that regard they are making things happen based on these delusions. The fact is one day there will be this person who is the 'messiah' - of course i have discusssed this before - who and what he is - but in any event those that believe in the apocalypse theolgy are going to try to make war with him? This issue is so very sad beyond the fact that it has anti-semitism as its foundation - a desire to convert every jew from their Torah Faith - into this delusional theolgy. At some point these people who believe these things are going to have to see one all important fact in all this - if they use the hebrew texts and traditons as a foundation then they must do so in proper context and they then would see that Satan is NOT a literal being. Since satan isn't a factual person - then this whole antichrist/al-dajjal theology has as its center - a myth. I know that they do not accept these facts and they say that it is a trick of the devil that he doesn't exist - but the fact is he doesn't. How does the world prevent these groups from continuing with a self-fulfiling course on these ideas? Without a doubt - 'orthodox' evangelicals are on the outside of the mainsteam interpretations of scriptures - so too are the 'orthodox' Islamists - thus we can see that at times the practical reality of 'orthodox' - can result in an impractical reality of 'paradox'. Some will have an issue with the fact that their understanding of 'messiah' is wrong and that the connection to Jesus is invalid. Is that why these groups hate Jews? They rightly reject Jesus as their promised messiah? There is one God and there is one earth and there are many of us - we have to see the truths of the real predictions in the hebrew texts and they do not predict a yet to happen apocalypse - they tell that God is going to change the hearts of humanity and that He is sending a teacher and a leader - for the leaders. The messianic age will not be a time that everyone becomes 'jewish' either as the texts say that this messianic age shall be multi-faith and multi-national - that is a fact! So when this time comes people are going to be enlightened and enmity shall be disolved - we are going to all get along and there shall be justice on this earth for everyone - because at they end of the day - God IS in control. But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig-tree; and none shall make them afraid; for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken. For let all the peoples walk each one in the name of its god, but we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever. [Micah 4.4-5] Do you see what that means? every man and all the peoples walk each one? So obviosuly - the Jews believe that during the 'messianic age' there shall continue to be diverse nations and even - diverse faiths! "Unity in Diverstiy"
  15. So that is what I posted [July 30, 2006]: This is about terrorism and Jew hating islamist groups...this isn't about any other thing
  16. Some people just don't share well - i'd love tips about graphics and i'm willing to share the small things i've learned on my own trying to make pics and gifs. Gee i should ask you spirit soul - what do you think of my amateur attemps at graphics?
  17. Prabhupada says that to call a thief a thief - is not fault finding. Quote: Don you need some serious graphics lessons man... Reply: I'd love some graphics lessons - of course i never said i was some expert at that - but for an armchair artist - i think they look good enough. If you're so good at it - make a pic and show us - it's said that - a picture is worth a thousand words - right? Oh and why is it you're the only feedback on these pictures - i'm sure if others thought they were so poor - they'd say so? Which one you talking about? Is it that you do not like to see a graphic rendition of Bhagavad Gita 4.11 - wherein the Lord says: All of them—as they surrender unto Me—I reward accordingly. Everyone follows My path in all respects, O son of Prtha. [bG 4.11] So as to the point of this thread - certainly - you did post the title post to try to garner some legitimacy for your opinions against the modern state of Israel - it just so happens that on the surface it does look like you want to drop a controversial posting and then avoid legitimate discussions about the posting. I ask you to find the same bias in my postings - go for it - find and copy and paste some real bias - in my words - of course - you won't find it. Praise and condemnation postings have LONG uploaded from MY computer concerning all the parties in this global conundrum. So no i'm not any lournalist [never said i was] and - no i'm not any graphics artist [never said i was] but - what i am is a well informed and unbiased wellwisher of the truth. I'm disappointed that you have avoided real discussions here...
  18. Isn't it really the ghostly haunted demons [who really are murderous cowards without honor] waiting to pounce from the shadows - yes - the things [or is it thugs] people pretend not to see - indeed...
  19. You use a broad brush don't you - not all christians believe that non-sense. You should read more of my postings about this in my the origins of satan myth thread: http://www.audarya-fellowship.com/forums/spiritual-discussions/40918-origins-satan-myth-impact-global-politics.html
  20. The armies only waited for about an hour - that is how long it took Krishna to speak the Gita to His servant...
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