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Media Bias Against Israel by Reuters! This Reuters photograph shows blatant evidence of manipulation. Notice the repeating patterns in the smoke; this is almost certainly caused by using the Photoshop "clone" tool to add more smoke to the image. Smoke simply does not contain repeating symmetrical patterns like this, and you can see the repetition in both plumes of smoke. There's really no question about it. It's not only the plumes of smoke that were 'enhanced.' There are also cloned buildings. http://honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Bold_Distortions_and_Outright_Lies.asp

That's a great way to see it...

Well I've presented your answers - are you too shocked by the truth to reply? Just see - you came here - posted and - were replied and - now by this - you've done great disservice to the illusion that you and millions more like you cling to as 'fact' - just see how many other people shall read this thread and thus rightly doubt the premise that Jesus was the messiah and that the real HUMAN messiah will even need to return 'a second time' to complete the mission - he has to do it in one life or - he isn't messiah.

You place gays with - abusers molestors and criminals - you're so very enlightened - Only a 'distracted' person would do that - one may not agree with homosexuality - but to place it with 'abusers molestors and criminals' - is unwarranted and - you know it too.

http://comics.ign.com/articles/712/712865p1.html This link doesn't go to the pics - is there a link at that site to click on? Thanx!

Cool pic!

Yes it is indeed...

Well I've seen you posting in other threads but - you have no reply to my last few postings here to you - in this thread? Interesting...

So this is what?

So I just did this following posting on another thread - it sort of answers a point raised in this quoted posting of mine here - thus i paste it here in modified form: --- The fact is - Jesus cannot be the messiah predicted yet to come - within the Hebrew scriptures. If he were - the world would not be in this mess - he would not have to so-called 'come again' - there are NO texts in the hebrew holy books that speak of two comings to complete the mission - [i know all that about the suffering servant verses and it ain't about Jesus and this issue] - also some major texts in the 'christian' bible are translated wrong. One is in Psalms 22.17 [text 16 in your bible]: So in the King James bible it reads this way: For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. However - in the Hebrew Bible it reads this way: For dogs have encompassed me; a company of evil-doers have inclosed me;like a lion, they are at my hands and my feet. So in the KJ version it is changed to try to draw a connection to Jesus and the Crucifixion by which he was murdered by the Roman State - however - the imprtant words were changed to support a nonexistent connection of this verse to Jesus and his death! So the original hebrew word-phrase "like a lion" is rendered into "they pierced my hands and my feet" - how was that done? The hebrew word-phrase "KeAri" [like a lion] was changed to "Kari" [which means 'he gouged me' - rendered into the english as they pierced my hands and my feet]. That is a fact. Another text that is oft misquoted to support the Crucifixion/messiah theory is Zechariah 13.6 which reads [in the hebrew Bible] like this: And one shall say unto him: 'What are these wounds between thy hands?' Then he shall answer: 'Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.' This text has nothing to do with Jesus nor the messiah! It has to do with false prophets of the line of the ancient Baal religion. These texts [Zechariah 3-6] in context may be a warning to false prophets - with the advent of/during the messianic age. Literally "wounds between your hands." The false prophets like the prophet of Baal [i kings 18.28: And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with swords and lances, till the blood gushed out upon them] - apparently inflicted wounds on themselves - to defend against the accusation of being a false prophet - the idea was that a man would deny having inflicted wounds on himself - instead saying that he received them at home - "in the house of my dear ones." So on the face of it when one takes the mistranslated Psalms 22.16 text and misapplies it with this Zecharaiah 13.6 quote - it may look like there is a seeming pattern which speaks of the murder of messiah - by Crucifixion - when in fact it doesn't in the least. There is much much more to it than that! So let's start there. Can anyone find me 'old testement' quotes that teach 'original sin' and some [and not Isaiah's 'suffering servant' descriptions] that say anything about messiah having to come once die by Crucifixion for everyone's sins and come again 2000+ years later to complete the mission? Since i bring up the Isaiah quotes let's look at this: Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. [isaiah 53.10, King James version] The same text from the Hebrew Bible reads quite differntly and enters an interesting point about the messiah: Yet it pleased the LORD to crush him by disease; to see if his soul would offer itself in restitution, that he might see his seed, prolong his days, and that the purpose of the LORD might prosper by his hand: [isaiah 53.10, Hebrew Bible] There is a significant difference contrasted in - to bruise him - and - to crush him by disease - obvious changes. Also - when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin - contrasted to - to see if his soul would offer itself in restitution - this change goes to the heart of the false theory of original sin and false theory of messiah being a sacrifice for sin [enough edits that's another posting]. In text 3 of chapter 53 of Isaiah we read: He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. [isaiah 53.3, King James version] He was despised, and forsaken of men, a man of pains, and acquainted with disease, and as one from whom men hide their face: he was despised, and we esteemed him not. [isaiah 53.3, Hebrew Bible] Can you see all these bogus changes there within the King James translation? Why are these changes introduced? It is that there was no reference to Jesus being a man of pains, and acquainted with disease - so instead - they changed it to - a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief - do keep in mind the changes to the later verse [10] - where it should read - it pleased the LORD to crush him by disease - however - it reads like this in the King James - it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief - so these are important disparities which all can see. Messiah shall be someone who is diseased and - Jesus wasn't recorded in the gospels as being diseased - he is recorded as having cured them - of course - we can see in these texts what disease it may be - a clue: Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. [isaiah 53.4, King James version] Surely our diseases he did bear, and our pains he carried; whereas we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. [isaiah 53.4, Hebrew Bible] So "griefs" and "diseases" are two distinct states - and they aren't mutually exclusive states either. In that text the change to "griefs" from "diseases" - is carried through but - one part remains the same - we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted - what these words - stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted- are traditionally speaking of - is skin disease - like leprosy etc., something quite different from "griefs" or "sorrows"! So of course - another part should be explained in context to this - in text 5 we read: But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. [isaiah 53.5, King James Version] Whereas in the original it really reads: But he was wounded because of our transgressions, he was crushed because of our iniquities: the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his stripes we were healed. [isaiah 53.5, Hebrew Bible] Just see these changes all noted in red - "was wounded" [not killed] and - "for" is different from "because of" - this text does not support the false theory that messiah shall 'have' to die for anyone's sins [how the sacrificial theory relates to the messianic age is another discussion] - what to speak sins brought about by the non-biblical original sin theory.

I just wanted to make your pic link active:

Oh dear soul that 'protesting' of a religious gathering was hardly emulating the non-violence you preach in that other thread you've opened. You're saying that the HK's caused the "ruckus"? With all due respect dear soul - you are not even hardly aware of what true christianity is and - you have a vague and false understanding of the Hebrew texts [and as such - of messiah and the messianic age] - you have your right to your understanding of 'faiths' but - comments like - "You cannot expect Christians to stand by and watch their country taken over by alien faiths. It is a natural self-preservative instinct" - such comments clearly allude to extremist leanings - in your false 'exclusivity' you cannot see that the Islamists are saying the exact same thing in the nations where those groups hold some sway? What is an alien faith? Who are you to decide? In some places your faith is the alien faith - do you wish to set in motion an intolerance that shall end up haunting your own god-brothers and god-sisters in less enlightened societies?

Well there's quite a few readers on this thread right now - hello to all in real time...wherever ya'll might be!

- isn't it...broad public pressure like this may lead to change.

No doubt

Actually you don't understand that quote. Here are four more to help you: Though engaged in all kinds of activities [works], My devotee, under My protection, reaches the eternal and imperishable abode by My grace. [bG 18.56] O son of Kunti, all that you do, all that you eat, all that you offer and give away, as well as all austerities that you may perform, should be done as an offering unto Me. [bG 9.27] Whatever a man may sacrifice to other gods, O son of Kunti, is really meant for Me alone, but it is offered without true understanding. I am the only enjoyer and the only object of sacrifice. Those who do not recognize My true transcendental nature fall down.[bG 9.23-24] Neither the hosts of demigods nor the great sages know My origin, for, in every respect, I am the source of the demigods and the sages. [bG 10.2]

Those weren't christians they were crazy fanatics who have no understanding of anything - i'd love to see how they would react if a chanting party set up outside their church one sunday - how long before they become violent and/or call police? I hope people know that there are many so-called christian groups that are cults and they get their followers to behave in these obnoxious manners...

Prabhupada NEVER worshipped Jesus [in the way you think] - not ever - what to speak everyday! He respected Jesus as an empowered servant of God - that's all. You say he worshipped Jesus more than Krishna - so please present some evidences of this with his quotes - can you do that? How do I know he isn't the messiah? Well start reading my postings on this site - search on my user profile for all threads started by me and you'll find posts about this. The fact is - Jesus cannot be the messiah predicted yet to come - within the Hebrew scriptures. If he were - the world would not be in this mess - he would not have to so-called 'come again' - there are NO texts in the hebrew holy books that speak of two comings to complete the mission - [i know all that about the suffering servant verses and it ain't about Jesus and this issue] - also some major texts in the 'christian' bible are translated wrong. One is in Psalms 22.17 [text 16 in your bible]: So in the King James bible it reads this way: For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. However - in the Hebrew Bible it reads this way: For dogs have encompassed me; a company of evil-doers have inclosed me;like a lion, they are at my hands and my feet. So in the KJ version it is changed to try to draw a connection to Jesus and the Crucifixion by which he was murdered by the Roman State - however - the imprtant words were changed to support a nonexistent connection of this verse to Jesus and his death! So the original hebrew word-phrase "like a lion" is rendered into "they pierced my hands and my feet" - how was that done? The hebrew word-phrase "KeAri" [like a lion] was changed to "Kari" [which means 'he gouged me' - rendered into the english as they pierced my hands and my feet]. That is a fact. Another text that is oft misquoted to support the Crucifixion/messiah theory is Zechariah 13.6 which reads [in the hebrew Bible] like this: And one shall say unto him: 'What are these wounds between thy hands?' Then he shall answer: 'Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.' This text has nothing to do with Jesus nor the messiah! It has to do with false prophets of the line of the ancient Baal religion. These texts [Zechariah 3-6] in context may be a warning to false prophets - with the advent of/during the messianic age. Literally "wounds between your hands." The false prophets like the prophet of Baal [i kings 18.28: And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with swords and lances, till the blood gushed out upon them] - apparently inflicted wounds on themselves - to defend against the accusation of being a false prophet - the idea was that a man would deny having inflicted wounds on himself - instead saying that he received them at home - "in the house of my dear ones." So on the face of it when one takes the mistranslated Psalms 22.16 text and misapplies it with this Zecharaiah 13.6 quote - it may look like there is a seeming pattern which speaks of the murder of messiah - by Crucifixion - when in fact it doesn't in the least. There is much much more to it than that! So let's start there. Can you find me 'old testement' quotes that teach 'original sin' and some [and not Isaiah's 'suffering servant' descriptions] that say anything about messiah having to come once die by Crucifixion for everyone's sins and come again 2000+ years later to complete the mission? Since i bring up the Isaiah quotes let's look at this: Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. [isaiah 53.10, King James version] The same text from the Hebrew Bible reads quite differntly and enters an interesting point about the messiah: Yet it pleased the LORD to crush him by disease; to see if his soul would offer itself in restitution, that he might see his seed, prolong his days, and that the purpose of the LORD might prosper by his hand: [isaiah 53.10, Hebrew Bible] There is a significant difference contrasted in - to bruise him - and - to crush him by disease - obvious changes. Also - when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin - contrasted to - to see if his soul would offer itself in restitution - this change goes to the heart of the false theory of original sin and false theory of messiah being a sacrifice for sin [enough edits that's another posting]. In text 3 of chapter 53 of Isaiah we read: He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. [isaiah 53.3, King James version] He was despised, and forsaken of men, a man of pains, and acquainted with disease, and as one from whom men hide their face: he was despised, and we esteemed him not. [isaiah 53.3, Hebrew Bible] Can you see all these bogus changes there within the King James translation? Why are these changes introduced? It is that there was no reference to Jesus being a man of pains, and acquainted with disease - so instead - they changed it to - a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief - do keep in mind the changes to the later verse [10] - where it should read - it pleased the LORD to crush him by disease - however - it reads like this in the King James - it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief - so these are important disparities which all can see. Messiah shall be someone who is diseased and - Jesus wasn't recorded in the gospels as being diseased - he is recorded as having cured them - of course - we can see in these texts what disease it may be - a clue: Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. [isaiah 53.4, King James version] Surely our diseases he did bear, and our pains he carried; whereas we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. [isaiah 53.4, Hebrew Bible] So "griefs" and "diseases" are two distinct states - and they aren't mutually exclusive states either. In that text the change to "griefs" from "diseases" - is carried through but - one part remains the same - we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted - what these words - stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted- are traditionally speaking of - is skin disease - like leprosy etc., something quite different from "griefs" or "sorrows"! So of course - another part should be explained in context to this - in text 5 we read: But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. [isaiah 53.5, King James Version] Whereas in the original it really reads: But he was wounded because of our transgressions, he was crushed because of our iniquities: the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his stripes we were healed. [isaiah 53.5, Hebrew Bible] Just see these changes all noted in red - "was wounded" [not killed] and - "for" is different from "because of" - this text does not support the false theory that messiah shall 'have' to die for anyone's sins [how the sacrificial theory relates to the messianic age is another discussion] - what to speak sins brought about by the non-biblical original sin theory. So that is all for now - anyone open-minded enough to the truth will see these things...

So are you saying that only a 'Jesus faith' can fix it? These are the ones that 'seem' to have been - "A religion founded by a person who suffered for the sake of his devotees. A religion that advocates 'turning the other cheek' and not reacting to violence with violence." If it is as such - shouldn't you just come right out and say that it is a version of a Jesus faith that you're preaching here? Of course - while Jesus is an saktyavesa-avatara and his teachings are very important - he isn't the messiah or - 'the branch' - the man that God shall work through in our future to solve the noted problems. You mentioned Gita and religion - here is a Gita quote [which must be understood by everyone] from God on that very subject: Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear. [bG 18.66] Only God saves us from sin and thus gives salvation - no other can do this - including Jesus.

Nope - you didn't miss anything...

- Uhm - it's not like that. Some people use religion to kill - you describe faiths as being the source - are you a commie? "it's imperative that we followed a pacifist religion, a religion that encourages followers to worship sorrow and self-sacrifice" - and what would that faith be? You should try to understand "gita" so that you might see that Krishna does not glorify war. You would see it's not about war it's about duty.

They shouldn't even be let in the door - the moment it is known they are such freaks - that's it - "get out" - if they cannot be held in prison then that is unfortunate - but - they cannot be let in the door of the temples. The sad thing is that somewhere there's places where such demons can go and people are unaware of what they are and they end up doing these things again - the fact is adults [over 21] who have sex with people under AT LEAST 18 YEARS OLD are demons - these demons are undermining society by such connections with youth - those who prey on young people for sex are losers and our world could do more to clean up this mess. In ISKCON there are these abusers trying to pass off as ordinary devotees - once in 1994 i saw a lecture- i didn't like his vibes and he was too much trying to imitate Prabhupada with every gesture and cough - it made me sick in a way - so after his so-called class i asked a question [cannnot recall what the class or the question was] and he wouldn't answer me! So later i was told by another Prabhupada disciple about him and i sort of knew it already! So I guess this guy might still be around and doing who knows what. Myself - [before finding Krishna] i'm a victim of sexual abuse [at the hands of a 37 year old and they turned out to be an authority figure too] when I was 14 years old [i went through a great deal with all of it - including the circus court case etc.,] and I know i would NOT want to see my abuser EVER again. In fact - the questionable justice department charged this pervert - a manipulative "authority figure" with: "[name removed] did wilfully engage in sexual activities with [me the victim] which acts promoted or contributed to [me the victim], a child, being or becoming a juvenile delinquent or likely to make him a juvenile delinquent, contrary to section 33(1)(b) of the Juvenile Delinquents Act." That is so very sad that that was what my victimizer was charged with - it says that - i - a child - the victim broke the law and 'the charged' contributed to it! Imagine how much of a betrayal of me and my rights that was - after all of what i went through and that was all the victimizer was charged with! Of course the court experience was another process of victimization - especially considering the lack of intelligence in the prosectors and the justice department they worked for. Yes I still have the subpoena [with that charge noted] to the trial - after 23 years! So I can certainly relate to this subject matter and I pray for these victims. I too would be sick to have to think that if i were them and i went to the temples my abusers might be there and may even be 'somebody' - but alas - this is kali yuga and as a collective - the world is having to grapple with so much and - the time is to come that these kind of people shall be dealt with - with proper laws and enforcement. Here in canada at least - the laws are to at last again change - the age of consent had been lowered to 14 years [in the 1990's] now it'll be 16 years - i feel that's still too young as noted. The idea that adults cannot refrain from sex is one thing but - those that cannot refrain from such connections with youth is a fact of kali yuga that MUST be dealt with - no matter if it's here or - anywhere. People who abuse and prey upon children and people who bring children into the world and neglect to train them properly [that they end up demonic] must be dealt with in a proper way - respectively. We need to see a mandatory 'parenting 101' for everyone who has children - since all children must go to schools there is thus places to do this - the state can become more involved in the direction that society is going - how often do people get into neglected child rearing habits - because there is no one watching them rear their kids!?

A walk through time: 1200 B.C.E. - Lower Egypt’s remaining Jews are expelled at the end of the 19th Dynasty. 586 B.C.E.. - First Temple in Jerusalem is destroyed by the Babylonians. 168 B.C.E. - The Romans defile the Holy Temple, erecting a statue of Zeus and sacrificing swine. Observance of the Sabbath and circumcision are banned. 0 - The Second Temple is destroyed by the Romans. 73 - Roman troops storm Masada after a 3 year siege. The Jewish inhabitants kill themselves rather than submit to Roman slavery. <!-- Content here added by ThinkQuest: --> 135 A.D. - A Jewish diaspora begins as Hadrian bars Jews from Jerusalem and has survivors of the massacre dispersed across the empire. Those who escape are sold into slavery. 627 - Enemies of the prophet Mohammed move on Medina from Mecca and slaughter 700 Jews. 1099 - Crusaders break into Jerusalem, and set fire to a synagogue where Jews are taking refuge, burning them to death. Those who survived are sold as slaves or ransomed. 1290 - England’s Edward I exiles the country’s Jews. 1306 - Jews are expelled from France. England whips and expels some 100,000 Jews who have remained since Edward I’s expulsion order of 1290. 1348 - Jews are blamed for spreading the Black Death by deliberately contaminating wells and by "anointing" people and houses with poison. The Jews are herded into wooden buildings and burned alive. At Strasbourg more than 2,000 Jewish scapegoats are hanged on a scaffold erected at the Jewish burying ground. 1349 - Jews are expelled from Hungary. 1391 - Seville has a pogrom in June that spreads throughout Andalusia as Spaniards seek scapegoats for the Black Death. Castilian sailors set fire to the Barcelona ghetto, and for 4 days a mob rages out of control, killing hundreds. Many Spanish Jews will accept conversion in the next few years. 1400 - 1772 - Jews are restricted from Russia. 1414 - Cologne, a town in western Germany, expels its Jews. 1421 - Jews are expelled from Austria. 1478 - Isabella of Castile launches an Inquisition against converted Jews who secretly practice their original faith, persecuting the so-called Marranos (the word originally meant pigs). 1492 - A decree issued March 31 by Ferdinand and Isabella orders Granada’s 150,000 Jews to sell their property and leave the country by July 31 "for the honor and glory of God." Ferdinand decrees November 23 that all property and assets left by the Jews belong to the Crown, even those now in Christian hands. 1497 - Jews are expelled from Portugal. 1555 - Pope Paul IV orders that Rome’s Jewish quarter be surrounded by a wall, creating the ghetto of Rome, claiming "God has imposed servitude until they should have recognized their errors". 1648 - A Ukrainian pogrom by Greek Orthodox peasants destroys hundreds of Jewish communities, killing all who will not accept the cross. The general populace joined this genocide, which degrades and tortures Jews before murdering them. 1657- Oliver Cromwell tacitly permits Jews to return to England. 1744 - Maria Theresa launches a pogrom to drive the Jews out of Bohemia and Moravia. Even where tolerated, Europe’s Jews often live under degrading conditions with regulations designed to limit their expansion and keep their status at a low level. 1772 - Jews are admitted into Russia, but are confined to the Pale of Settlement, a narrow strip of land. 1788 - Josef II orders Austrian Jews to adopt "proper recognizable surnames." They have been known until now largely by biblical patronyms and when some object to changing their names, the emperor’s officials give them such surnames as "Fresser,Pferd," and "Weinglas." 1789 - French Revolution: French National Association denounce equal rights for French Jews. 1807 - Napoleon forces leading rabbis and leaders to disavow Jewish commitments and pledge allegiance to France alone. 1881 - Russia’s new czar Aleksandr III makes Jews the scapegoats for the assassination of his father. He vows to kill one-third of the country’s Jews, drive out another third, and convert the rest, beginning a series of pogroms that will spur the emigration of millions of Jews in the next 30 years. 1893 - Antisemitism mounts in France as Jews are blamed for the collapse in 1889 of the Panama Canal Co., whose bankruptcy has cost many French investors their savings. 1894 - A French court martial convicts Army captain Alfred Dreyfus, 35, of having passed military information to German agents. Dreyfus will later be proved innocent, but the Dreyfus case adds to the growing Antisemitism in France. Viennese journalist Theodore Herzl, 34, covers the trial and hears the Paris mob cry, "Death to the Jews!" This experience would influence Herzl to become the father of the Zionist movement which inspired the creation of the State of Israel. 1898 -"J’Accuse!" headlines the Paris newspaper L’Aurore January 18 over an open letter by novelist Emile Zola. His attack forces a new trial of Capt. Dreyfus. It is revealed that Dreyfus was the victim of an Antisemitic plot. 1913 - The Anti-Defamation League is founded by B’Nai B’rith (Sons of the Covenant) to fight anti-Semitism in America. 1915 - A new Ku Klux Klan is legally chartered in Georgia. It employs terrorist tactics against blacks, Jews, and Roman Catholics. The new leader calls his KKK a "high-class, mystic, social, patriotic, benevolent association" dedicated to "white supremacy," the protection of Southern womanhood, and "Americanism," and claims it will promote his "invisible empire." It will attract a membership of nearly 100,000 throughout the country within 6 years, concentrating political power to elect sympathetic U.S. senators, congressmen, and state officials. <tt>http://library.thinkquest.org/12307/astl_fr.html </tt> Then later came the Nazi pogrom - that was to make these other events pale in comparison! <tt>"Burn all synagogues. Destroy all Jewish dwellings. Confiscate the Jews' holy books. Forbid rabbis to teach. Forbid Jews to travel. Forbid Jews to charge interest on loans to non-Jews and confiscate Jewish property. Force Jews to do physical labor. Expel the Jews from provinces where Christians live." - Martin Luther in the pamphlet "Concerning the Jews and Their Lies." Early sixteenth century. I think that Martin Luther embodies the nasty nature to which this thinking can sink to - let's not forget that 'he' was suppossed to be some great 'protestant and reformer' - what was he protesting? The so-called injustices of the catholic church - of which he was clergy - then he defected and did that do anything to help him reform his hate for Jews? Not apparently! Here is a particular nasty comment from him as recorded [more than once!] within his noted pamphlet - [which can be found online]: </tt>"Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious jewel that God and all the angels dance when he farts?" <tt> Just see that offensive thinking and - to smear God too into it that way! The sad part of this is that people still think his 'other' writings are worth something! </tt> <tt>"In Morocco in 1907, a huge massacre of Jews took place in Casablanca, along with the usual embellishments-rape, women carried away into the mountains, hundreds of homes and shops burned, etc... In 1912 a big massacre in Fez...girls and women raped in front of their families, the stomachs of pregnant women slashed open, the infants ripped out of them, children smashed with crowbars... All this can be found in the newspapers of the time, including the local Arab papers." "Roughly speaking and in the best of cases, the Jew is protected like a dog which is part of man's property, but if he raises his head or acts like a man, then he must be beaten so that he will always remember his status." - Writings of Albert Memmi, a noted French Jewish novelist</tt> <tt>"[The Jews are] our masters and our enemies, whom we detest... the most abominable people in the world. In short they are a totally ignorant nation who, for many years, have combined contemptible miserliness and the most revolting superstition with a violent hatred of all those nations that have tolerated them... your priests have always sacrificed human victims with their sacred hands." - Voltaire's Dictionnaire Philosophique, in which 30 of his 118 articles described the Jews, Eighteenth Century.</tt> <tt>"The euthanasia of Judaism can only be achieved by means of a pure, moral religion, and the abandonment of all old legal regulations." - Immanuel Kant, major German thinker of the late eighteenth century.</tt> <tt>"What is the secular cult of the Jew? Haggling. What is his secular god? Money. Well them! Emancipation from haggling and money, from practical, real Judaism would be the self-emancipation of our time! Money is the jealous God of Israel, besides which no other God may stand." - Karl Marx in one of his first major essays, "On the Jewish Question," mid nineteenth century.</tt> <tt>"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist. Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the labor leaders, and I did not speak out - because I was not a labor leader. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me." - Reverend Martin Niemoellier, a pastor in the German Confessing Church who spent seven years in a concentration camp.</tt> <tt>So when talking about disproportionate reactions - we need to see all of the history - of course - let's again look at these words - from the scriptures:</tt> ...so the angel that spoke with me said unto me: 'Proclaim thou, saying: Thus saith the LORD of hosts: I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy; and I am very sore displeased with the nations that are at ease; for I was but a little displeased, and they helped for evil. Therefore thus saith the LORD: I return to Jerusalem with compassions: My house shall be built in it, saith the LORD of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth over Jerusalem. Again, proclaim, saying: Thus saith the LORD of hosts: My cities shall again overflow with prosperity; and the LORD shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem. [Zechariah 1.14-17] So that part - 'I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy; and I am very sore displeased with the nations that are at ease; for I was but a little displeased, and they helped for evil.' - that means that God is angry at the nations of the world for it's treatment of His exiled - because He was 'but a little displeased' and yet - the nations after the 70 C.E. exile - were to have 'helped for evil' [or helped forward the afflications] and they were 'at ease' with doing so. <tt>I think that this should all be understood and - please try to understand what </tt><tt>Reverend Martin Niemoellierb meant in his words:</tt> <tt>"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist. Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the labor leaders, and I did not speak out - because I was not a labor leader. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me."</tt>

So let's look at this point: "Nazi View of Islamic Religion Head of Nazi SS troops Heinrich Himmler stated to Chief of Nazi propaganda Josef Goebbels: “ have nothing against Islam because it educates the men in this division for me and promises them heaven if they fight and are killed in action. A very practical and attractive religion for soldiers.” Nazi Islam Heinrich Himmler, Head of SS, and close colleague of Amin Al-Husseini, financed and established Islamic Institute (‘Islamische Zentralinstitut’) in Dresden under the Mufti. The purpose was to create a generation of Islamic leaders that would continue to use Islam as a carrier for Nazi ideology into the 21st century." So that is interesting - one wonders what points of this past still stain various Islamists and their hate for Jewish people and of course a Jewish State. We can see that people in these groups ascribe to the same attitudes and dark fallacies - so - is nazism still alive in our world? Does it survive in this dark chapter of Islam? All the talk about 'the nazi past' may be moot - as it may not be past at all...