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i feel ike whats the point to being born to this world............alot of people would say the point of being born of this world is to become god counsiese. but everything is just so repetative u wake up u go to work everyday u come home do it all over again, then u get married and have a bunch of kids then u die of old age. u work ur whole life so all u could do is retire and die. what the point of all this, its repetative boring abd not worth it at all. whatsd the point?

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The point is growth, development and subjective evolution of the soul.

We, the jiva souls are by-products of the pleasure pastimes of the Supreme Absolute entity,

We are by-products of something much greater and more significant than us.

 

God is the Supreme and Original recycler.

He doesn't let any of his energy go to waste.

There is absolute preservation of energy within the Supreme Being.

 

So, we are by-product energy, very, very minute sparks of an unlimited dynamo that is the supreme being Sri Krsna.

 

So, having become disintegrated entities attaining individual existence while being inconceivably, simultaneously one yet different from that supreme being Sri Krsna, we have started the path of individual existence as personal living entities.

 

As such, we start from the lowest point of individual existence as a spiritual spark and evolve through millions of life forms and millions of years until the subjective evolution of consciousness brings us to the point of spiritual perfection, eternal life and eternal spiritual forms in relationship with the Supreme Being Sri Krsna.

 

So, it is a long and difficult path to becoming an immortal in the spiritual realm, but in the context of eternal time it is only a moment.

 

It is well worth the trouble and the reward is great.

 

So, life has a great purpose and meaning as the living entities evolve spiritually to the point of perfection in immortal life in absolute bliss and knowledge.

 

But, if we don't feel as if we are making any spiritual advancement in life, we can become quite depressed and disenchanted with the whole struggle for existence.

 

So, it is vital that we adopt a spiritual path in life and make incremental advancement in knowledge and spiritual happiness.

 

Otherwise, life is just a miserable, frustrating experience in mundane living that produces no tangible satisfaction from the hard struggle for existence.

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i feel ike whats the point to being born to this world............alot of people would say the point of being born of this world is to become god counsiese. but everything is just so repetative u wake up u go to work everyday u come home do it all over again, then u get married and have a bunch of kids then u die of old age. u work ur whole life so all u could do is retire and die. what the point of all this, its repetative boring abd not worth it at all. whatsd the point?

 

How I always wanted to ask that question from my parents," What`s the point, " Mama and Papa?" Because they were the ones who sent us into this planet. If they did not meet, where would we be now? Even if it`s due to our past karma, it`s still our parent`s responsibilty for bringing us here.

So, to relieve myself of the distress, I always think that why I`m here is because I have accepted this mission from God of propagating the chanting of Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare through the internet and hence, the world.

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i feel ike whats the point to being born to this world............alot of people would say the point of being born of this world is to become god counsiese. but everything is just so repetative u wake up u go to work everyday u come home do it all over again, then u get married and have a bunch of kids then u die of old age. u work ur whole life so all u could do is retire and die. what the point of all this, its repetative boring abd not worth it at all. whatsd the point?

There's no point at all, just like a dream has no purpose or meaning. It just is; that's all. But, because most people can't accept this, they invent gods and related fairy tales.

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i feel ike whats the point to being born to this world............alot of people would say the point of being born of this world is to become god counsiese. but everything is just so repetative u wake up u go to work everyday u come home do it all over again, then u get married and have a bunch of kids then u die of old age. u work ur whole life so all u could do is retire and die. what the point of all this, its repetative boring abd not worth it at all. whatsd the point?

 

Why do you think there has to be a point? There is no point at all, unless we make one up for ourselves or - as is more common - accept one from external sources, mainly religious.

 

In any case, these questions are a big deal only if you are bored or are unhappy with the way your life is progressing. Else, such questions either do not pop up or do not matter.

 

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There's no point at all, just like a dream has no purpose or meaning. It just is; that's all. But, because most people can't accept this, they invent gods and related fairy tales.

 

You obviously don't belong in any forum for spiritual discussions.

So, if you don't want to discuss the spiritual aspect of life, then why don't you just go to a forum more suited to you?

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Even if it`s due to our past karma, it`s still our parent`s responsibilty for bringing us here.

 

 

No, it is your karma alone that brought you to where you are.

You can't blame it on your parents.

They are just vehicles for YOUR karma to be played out.

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i feel ike whats the point to being born to this world............alot of people would say the point of being born of this world is to become god counsiese. but everything is just so repetative u wake up u go to work everyday u come home do it all over again, then u get married and have a bunch of kids then u die of old age. u work ur whole life so all u could do is retire and die. what the point of all this, its repetative boring abd not worth it at all. whatsd the point?

Pandora, your question is the most important that a person can ask. What is the point to being born into this world? What is the meaning of life? When searching for an answer it often helps to eliminate the answers which are obviously wrong. Through this process of elimination we come closer to the truth.

 

We both agree that waking up, going to work everyday, coming home and then waking up just to do it all over again, then getting married and having kids just to teach them to do the same thing is in and of itself just a repetitive cycle whose only utility would be to perpetuate the human race.

 

That perpetuation would have meaning only if there was a point to taking human birth. There is. First you should understand that the very fact that you are asking the question gives some insight into the answer. You are a human and you are asking about the meaning of life. That is something that an animal cannot do.

 

Therefore taking human birth is an opportunity for inquiring into the absolute nature of things. This is what you have done. Such inquiry is nothing less than the incipient stages of the search for absolute Truth.

 

The search for Truth is the Prime Purpose of taking human birth.

 

Q. Why are we here as humans needing to search for Truth?

 

A. Because somehow or another we are suffering from spiritual amnesia

and we have forgotten who we really are.

 

We can think of this material world as a hospital or a prison ward

(since some amnesiacs may commit crimes when they forget themselves).

Either way, the purpose is the same - to get better or rehabilitate ourselves.

 

Spiritual rehabilitation has been affected once we realize our true

natures - however this Self-realization process takes time, effort

and great strength of character.

 

The Upanishads teach that this world is a prison.

The purpose for us being here is rehabilitation.

The search for truth is the beginning of that process.

Moksha, which is liberation from samsara

(the repetitive cycle of birth, death and rebirth)

is the successful end of that process.

 

Although it takes time to realize our true natures, we can gain

an intellectual understanding by simply making inquiry:

 

Q. Who are we?

 

A. Our essential Self is known as atma.

 

Q. What is the Self like?

 

A. It is divine.

 

Q. What does it mean to be divine?

 

A. To be divine/spiritual is to be conscious, blissful and immutable.

 

Q. What is immutability?

 

A. Immutability means that we are eternal with unchanging attributes.

Therefore we are not really subject to creation, erosion or destruction;

these can only apply to material things - like our bodies.

 

When you have realized your true nature, life will be anything but "boring";

however you will be a source of inspiration and blessing to others

as you enjoy abidance in the fullness of your own being.

 

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pandora,

Wonderful question! Most people live exactly the kind of mechanical,scripted life that you describe. We have a choice not to and to connect and identify ourselves with our eternal and joyous spiritual self. This is why spirituality and spiritual practices give freedom.

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whats the point?

 

Each soul is like a tiny Krishna. All Krishna does is enjoying and so we also want pleasures.

Even though being conditioned in this world we might get quite confused at times, yet most everyone of us does continuously manifest this intrinsic inborn propensity of the soul in a way of continuous seeking for happiness through different activities in this world. I think the Vedas describe 4 different directions people take in their search for happiness: dharma, kama, artha and moksa. Everyone is situated in one of the 4 or somewhere in between. :) That includes a particular faith, inspiration, intelligence, energy and everything else needed to follow on the path that one is qualified for. There is also a special 5th dimension that is not dependent on or directly related to the other 4. This one is totally spiritual. It's bhakti and this is the path to the ultimate pleasure that a soul can experience and the pleasure that will completely satisfy the soul's hankering for pleasures.

Anyway, I think whatever one's personal qualification is at the moment there will always be a point in living in this world and that is in looking for happiness to the best of ones knowledge and abilities. While it's true that this world is a very confusing place, most of us keep going. :)

On any of the paths the qualified aspirant gets the inspiration, knowledge and practical results that keep him or her moving. Also if considering the 4 above mentioned paths they are sequential - one comes out of the other. Having achieved pleasures available on the path of dharma one looks further and steps in on the path of artha, etc. up to moksa.. But bhakti is independent. No material pre-qualification is needed to begin on the path of bhakti, and this grants far superior results.

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It's good to see the sham of mundane life. Then one will search for something that is actually real.

 

Otherwise we will be completely complacent, live and die, and not know why.

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While trying to find out the answer of any ‘Ati prashna’, we end up reaching to the origin like ‘why God created man’.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p>

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Life is boring unless we progress in the your spiritual path. You won’t find peace in the material happiness since day and night are equal on the earth. Unhappiness will follow the happiness very shortly. Different people live on different levels and sometimes, does not even know why they become unhappy. Those who know the reason tries to get rid of it or try to control it to the minimum but get trapped again in the vicious circle of maya.<o:p></o:p>

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To add the fuel to the fire of confusion, there are many schools of philosophies having different teachings. Like in some Rajyoga schools, there is no moksha and one has to take birth after births. It is also believed that everything is predetermined and there is no free-will etc.<o:p></o:p>

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So again we are forced to think ‘what is the point’ or ‘why god created man’. Our faith gets shattered if we do not progress in our spiritual path which again is received by the mercy of the Lord. Answers of some questions are meant only to be experienced granted by the Lord and can not be expressed in relative words.<o:p></o:p>

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I think the point of life, in general, is simply to follow our nature. As we do this it inevitably leads us onwards. It is when we deny our nature that we feel life is 'pointless', for truly it is.

 

Experiencing unhappiness and happiness are just part of that path of following our nature. A seedling seeks the air and then the sun. If it is unable to find what it seeks, it is not only 'unhappy', it will die. Truly we are 'happiest' when we are Being and fulfilling who and what we really are.

 

Our spirit, likewise, must find what it seeks, must follow it's nature, or it too will never grow.

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Sri yogi,your avatar has something wrong with it.

 

Sri Krsna does not belong there.Sri Krsna's beauty is not even matched by a billion cupids.He always spends time with lots and lots of girls.You should not place Him like this in between great yogis.

 

Also,He is such a renunciate,that He killed His family of millions by His yogamaya.He still remained smiling.Also,due to this,He shouldn't be placed with these yogis.

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To the post starter,

 

we come here because we are under maya.Just as you can't stop performing some karma or the other,you are helplessly sent from one body to the other according to the karmas.

Also,this mayadevi,Jagadamba is troubling the entire samsara with the three modes/gunas.She serves her master,Sri KRsna.

"So dasi raghuveer ki ... " Sri Tulsidasa states that she is a maid servant of Sri Rama.

So,to cross this unhappy,boring and depressing state of life,we must serve Bhagavan.Why should we ?

 

He is ananda.Raso vai saha.When you will attain Him,you shall be happy forever and ever.

 

Sada pashyanti surayah tad vishnoh paramam pada- Rg. veda.

 

Forever you shall experience unlimited ecstasy.How can we go there ?

 

If Bhagavan gives His mercy,we can go there.

How will He give His mercy.

 

He states in the Geeta,"Surrender to Me,and I shall take you upon My Head."

The sveatsvatara upanishad states,Just turn towards that pramatma in your heart and all your karmas are burnt like ashes.So,turn to Sri Krsna i.e. just surrender to Him.

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Sri yogi,your avatar has something wrong with it.

 

Sri Krsna does not belong there.Sri Krsna's beauty is not even matched by a billion cupids.He always spends time with lots and lots of girls.You should not place Him like this in between great yogis.

 

Also,He is such a renunciate,that He killed His family of millions by His yogamaya.He still remained smiling.Also,due to this,He shouldn't be placed with these yogis.

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Srimad-Bhagavatam 2.2.3:

 

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ataH kavir nAmasu yAvad arthaH

syAd apramatto vyavasAya-buddhiH

siddhe 'nyathArthe na yateta tatra

parizramaM tatra samIkSamANaH

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ataH--for this reason; kaviH--the enlightened person; nAmasu--in names only; yAvat--minimum; arthaH--necessity; syAt--must be; apramattaH--without being mad after them; vyavasAya-buddhiH--intelligently fixed; siddhe--for success; anyathA--otherwise; arthe--in the interest of; na--should never; yateta--endeavor for; tatra--there; parizramam--laboring hard; tatra--there; samIkSamANaH--one who sees practically.

For this reason the enlightened person should endeavor only for the minimum necessities of life while in the world of names. He should be intelligently fixed and never endeavor for unwanted things, being competent to perceive practically that all such endeavors are merely hard labor for nothing.

PURPORT

 

The bhAgavata-dharma, or the cult of SrImad-BhAgavatam, is perfectly distinct from the way of fruitive activities, which are considered by the devotees to be merely a waste of time. The whole universe, or for that matter all material existence, is moving on as jagat, simply for planning business to make one's position very comfortable or secure, although everyone sees that this existence is neither comfortable nor secure and can never become comfortable or secure at any stage of development.

 

 

Those who are captivated by the illusory advancement of material civilization (following the way of phantasmagoria) are certainly madmen. The whole material creation is a jugglery of names only; in fact, it is nothing but a bewildering creation of matter like earth, water and fire. The buildings, furniture, cars, bungalows, mills, factories, industries, peace, war or even the highest perfection of material science, namely atomic energy and electronics, are all simply bewildering names of material elements with their concomitant reactions of the three modes. Since the devotee of the Lord knows them perfectly well, he is not interested in creating unwanted things for a situation which is not at all reality, but simply names of no more significance than the babble of sea waves.

 

 

The great kings, leaders and soldiers fight with one another in order to perpetuate their names in history. They are forgotten in due course of time, and they make a place for another era in history. But the devotee realizes how much history and historical persons are useless products of flickering time. The fruitive worker aspires after a big fortune in the matter of wealth, woman and worldly adoration, but those who are fixed in perfect reality are not at all interested in such false things. For them it is all a waste of time. Since every second of human life is important, an enlightened man should be very careful to utilize time very cautiously.

 

 

One second of human life wasted in the vain research of planning for happiness in the material world can never be replaced, even if one spends millions of coins of gold. Therefore, the transcendentalist desiring freedom from the clutches of mAyA, or the illusory activities of life, is warned herewith not to be captivated by the external features of fruitive actors. Human life is never meant for sense gratification, but for self-realization. SrImad-BhAgavatam instructs us solely on this subject from the very beginning to the end. Human life is simply meant for self-realization.

 

 

The civilization which aims at this utmost perfection never indulges in creating unwanted things, and such a perfect civilization prepares men only to accept the bare necessities of life or to follow the principle of the best use of a bad bargain. Our material bodies and our lives in that connection are bad bargains because the living entity is actually spirit, and spiritual advancement of the living entity is absolutely necessary. Human life is intended for the realization of this important factor, and one should act accordingly, accepting only the bare necessities of life and depending more on God's gift without diversion of human energy for any other purpose, such as being mad for material enjoyment.
The materialistic advancement of civilization is called "the civilization of the demons," which ultimately ends in wars and scarcity.

 

 

The transcendentalist is specifically warned herewith to be fixed in mind, so that even if there is difficulty in plain living and high thinking he will not budge even an inch from his stark determination. For a transcendentalist, it is a suicidal policy to be intimately in touch with the sense gratifiers of the world, because such a policy will frustrate the ultimate gain of life.

 

 

Sukadeva GosvAmI met MahArAja ParIkSit when the latter felt a necessity for such a meeting. It is the duty of a transcendentalist to help persons who desire real salvation and to support the cause of salvation. One might note that Sukadeva GosvAmI never met MahArAja ParIkSit while he was ruling as a great king. For a transcendentalist, the mode of activities is explained in <a href=
target=new>the next zloka</a>.

 

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In Stotraratna (46), Yamunacarya wrires: " My Lord, those who keep themselves independent of Your service are helpless. They work on their own account, and they receive no support from superior authority. Therefore I long for the time when I shall engage fully in Your transcendental loving service without any desire for material satisfaction and without being confined to the mental plane. Only when I`m engaged in such unalloyed devotional service will I enjoy actual spiritual life."

 

 

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People say things happen for "the best". I'd rather say that things happen for "a reason".

 

Your very being here is for "a reason".

 

And to find out this "reason", you have to achieve what is called as "Realisation of the Self".

 

It is clearly visible in the life history of Shri Siddhartha Gautama (aka The Buddha).

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Agreed, life needs some sort of routine. It certainly helps avoid chaos!

 

But... The monotony should not get to you. Yes. You probably live for your family. After all, having some sort of responsibility is good!

 

But at the same time, you should continually be on the search for knowledge - to feed your soul.

 

Striving to realise the Self is something which a handful dare to. It will obviously seem a mighty ask for the meek of heart but nothing can stop those who have faith in their innate faculty.

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I believe that this entire life and the world around us is the dream of the Lord. Maya makes it look realistic. Because we are in the lord's dream, we think everything around us is real. If we dispel the maya the world and even our body vanishes and we are the Lord. The purpose of our mundane life is to dispel this maya. Many of us, will take umpteen rebirths to do this.

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I kind of agree with Gadiyar. Though I'm firm believer in God, I have a radical point of view. I believe God created us for his own amusement and pleasure - you can find the basis for this in Bhagavad-Gita though not explicitly mentioned. He is playing a game with all of us giving several opportunities to win in the game of life, go back to Godhead or fail and take repeated births. If you play by the rules you will be a very happy soul..through spiritual ways.

I came to this abstract after thinking for really long may be for months and my basis is why does God have to create several universes.. several planets and place souls in each planet (reference Bhagavatam) unless he is doing something he is required to like his duty or he wants to amuse himself by letting us play in his game.

Also from Gita, God (Lord Krsna) though in all his power can do anything he wants but still is impartial to all of the living beings.

Lord Krsna also says the whole universe will cease if he stops working and I believe all this makes sense only if he is acting under certain laws or rather rules he sets for his own game.

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