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All glories to the DISCIPLES of Srila Prabhupada. Nothing has been held back, nothing is broken. When we understand what is belief and faith as pertaining to vaisnavism, the mirror breaks and reality is seen. Then we no longer bother with the simplistic and temporary faith and belief, and enter the world of Srimati Sraddha, who is none other than Radharani, the keeper of our Bhij. Sraddha has no definition in the material terms, just as "realization" has nothing to do with belief. The title of this topic is "the true". It is beyond dialogue or personality cult. If a fool yells "fire", and then we notice the rise in temperature, smoke, and a flash of light, we know that the fool is giving "the true". The True is true because it is true, not bound by the one repeating. This is actually the initiation given by Srila Iswara Puri to Lord Chaitanya. There is no true beyond yuga dharma, the whole true is contained in the holy name. Such nice clear references to understanding the dynamics of Srila Prabhupadas movement. Thanx for posting. Hare Krsna, ys, mahaksadasa

Prabhupada, I believe, answered this question when the first disciples went to India with him and were complaining even then of her seemingly polluted condition. His response, if I remember correctly, is that the pollution is not there, but in our hearts.

I dont accept that a so-called murti is sitting there alive, watching the abuses going on. The abuses accelerated upon his disappearance, just as they occurred immediately after he was safely on a plane heading somewhere else. He is not where such abuses are commonplace. ISKCON may have abandoned him long before his disappearance, and he even hinted this point in his published works like madhya lila as he tells us of the activities of the kali cela. Srila Prabhupada has led this movement, now he has gone into residence in the heart of his true disciples who are now leading. By leading, I mean following in his footsteps as he did, the Sri Sri Guru and Gauranga we always say. He retired from leading ISKCON in 1970, years before he disappeared. His leadership consists of being accessible in the heart of his disciples and followers, as he clearly promises. Just like Jesus, no one will recognize a second coming, mainly because we missed the first coming as well.

nice, respectful sentiment, but our mother isw transcendental to what seems (to us) to be happening to her. She is the awesome Goddess who comes and goes as she pleases, seeping thru the crown chakra of Lord Nataraja. She can appear to be an aging and dying crone, but she maintains awesome and indescribable beauty, health, wealth, knowledge, fame, and aloofness from it all.

Itll take us at least 50 years to recover from armageddonist totalitarianism and constitutional destruction over the last 7 years. More if his clones like juliani or hillerani take his seat. Radical change is needed, not blowing on a boil. Priorities must be seen by able leadeership, not this kowtowing to china. haribol, ys, mahaksadasa ps good thing we arent all these false identity designations, Im moving to the moon, way beyond this solar system:eek::eek::eek:

yes, bro, its so perfect. Because we cannot fathom God, we conclude he is just as bound up as we are. And the glory of the storyteller is how he appears to us. The truth of the story is in the name of the hero, all else is just how wonderful he really is, full of wonder. Stories invoke wonder, but we even know krsna is not bound of the limitations of even the message of the story. In other words, Lord Prthu is much greater than the words we use to describe his appearance as the successor of King Vena. So he milks the wolrd and makes the continents, rivers, and mountains and valleys? No Big deal, when we consider that the entire universe is just something that passes thru the pores of Lord Narayana while being massaged by Queen Maha-laxmi. The words Krsna, Rama, Prthu, these are the gist of the story. Figuring it all out is not possibel. Even Radha and Krsna are stunned by wonder as they gaze in the mirror at their own forms, they even dont understand. But they still gaze, unable to be distracted. hariobol, ys, mahaksadasa

Is a slaughter house. My eight year old daughter is in the special ed because she has aspergers (Highly functional autism). These program directors (I refuse to call them teachers) have only one concern, budget. Hell with the kids, and bush didnt help anyone with his "No child left a dime" trip. He just made the school admin meditate in budgets. With special ed, we have these meetings, and all that is discussedc is their budget. No skills in teaching children with autism, so they make the condition worse. The adult autistic are so screwed up because no one did anything aBOUT THEIR ACTUAL LEARNING STYLES. To force an autistic child to eat math and reading is to send them to isolated never-never land (which is not a bad deal, us old hips used to spend big bucks on the herbs needed to do the same thing:eek:). However, if there was a teacher out there in the real sense of the word, they would find that aspergers kids (which is now about one in 80, meaning there is 50 such students in every school with 3,000 students, not a small number, much greater than blind and wheelchair bound students combined) are highly gifted. At eight, my daughter is accomplished clay artist (she alwaysw gets overall blue ribbon at the local county fairs, making $100 bucks), can make her own movies on the computer, can make really nice stories that turn out to be screenplays, is an actress, a ballerina, etc. But does the school district see this? No, because she is not fitting into their federal and state BS guidelines. If I were guru of US Education, I would ban any academic training until a child is 10, and only let them develop who they are, be it artist, writer, mathmetician, etc. Then they would go liberal arts or long term apprenticeships on real life skills, maybe even a VAD, which is a natural inclination of mankind, not some phony religious arguement (so dont add your VAD squad nonsense here.) Bu8t there is no concern for educating the youth in our public education programs. It is just self serving job preservation with diplomas on the wall, paranoia and teaching children to reject their hippie parents, and filling out forms for fed and state budget funding. No child left a dime. Haribol, ys, mahaksadasa.

melvin, whats with the "hehehe". Its just weird, makes ya sound like a perv. It cant be a cue for us to laugh, because it follows some really lame comments. Just give us the joke, forget the laugh track, we will decide to laugh on our own (NOT). mahaksadasa

totally wonderful, murali, this has made my day complete. I love the independently devised melodies, which my preceptors, Gaurasundara, Jivananda, and siddha, always encouraged. dem your licks? The electric guitar thrown in the mix is totally awesome on the one titled vandana. I like them fostex units, great in "red tagged" houses, specially in soquel. Surfed there once, till I saw a great white. The waves werent worth it. yo brah, mahak The sound of devotees chanting make so much more than any philospphical point. This is how we relate to each other.

not to mention "so simple and sublime". All glories to the vaisnava. The flashlight in the closet.

Im never up tight about you, brother, we go too far back. This is my point in the other threads and these as well. The things that divide us are of no consequence, no one is going down for not accepting every dot and dash of the veda. Especially when the author Himself was not all that thrilled with what he wrote. The point is that Krsna is reality, and His Name uttered by anyone has the effect of making all knowledge manifest in the heart. The sun, the moon, and the stars are flakes in the puddle in the hoof print of a cow. If one can see Prthu milking earth in her form of a cow, or takes Prthu as maha-catastrophe massive shift in tectonic plates that separate the supercontinent into seven separate continents, it doesnt matter, as long as one accepts that Krsna has done this. Like Oppenheimer, who fostered the a-blast, could only say that Krsna is such a blast, because he was just playing around with little particles unseen by the naked eye. I like the personal touch of bhagavat purana, mahabharata, and ramayana. I love adventure stories, intrigue, passion, horror, pure love emotion in literary form. I see such literature as having personal form, so much so, that I never let anyone deride the version of ramayana and mahabharata I love, even though the author is not a religionist, philosopher or any kind of guru. He is a story teller, and he has captivated me immensely. Once I mentioned him on VNN forums, and the fanatics had a field day telling me what an aweful job he did on these works, his mayavad leanings, blah, blah, blah. I only care about the tears rolling down my cheek as the hairs stand on end when I see Srimati Sitadevi's sweet dealings with guha the hunter. http://geocities.com/mahaksadasa/guha.html Do I BELIEVE monkeys and bears teaming up with God as Man battling the reptilians from beneath the surface of the earth? What the hell is belief? I dont care for belief. I only care about the apsara queen I heard once singing "jaya jaya rama jaya sita rama", and whose voice is loud and clear as I dive into the fantasy of Sri Valmiki. Was he living only in his bones covered by an anthill? Sure, why not, when I consider what kind of stool I find myself living in, gurgling and all. At least he can write a decent book. Chant Hare Krsna and your life will be sublime. This is what he said way back when, I did, and it is. He never said that this hinges on understanding the cosmos, which even carl sagan only had infantile grasp of. He never said I have to go back to origins of untraceble pasts to discover my original position, he instead gave me a song and a plate of really tasty stuff.. hare krsna, see, the whole TRUE is right here, in this very sentence, as yudhisthira stated, all else is empty, black space and nothing more. haribol, ys in cooperation, mahaksadasa

its all in the focus. As theist says, if one is somehow convinced that another is just as good as guru, then there is no guru in the first place. Or everyone is guru.

No, but the fact that all died because Krsna pulled them in (his universal form) is important to the whole idea. The war is there, arjunas pacificism is there, krsnas instruction about his will will be done despite arjunas acceptance or rejection of bhagavad gita, all of this stuff is necessary. The pyramids are a fable, too. But there they are, explain the technology of the ramps that enabled these workers to push that rock up that steem incline. Where are the ramps? Hanumans bridge is there, too, never seen until NASA filmed it. Machu Pichu, the runways for the airships only seen from space. Dinosaurs are a fable, so is oil from vegetation buried by lava. But fable busters are there too, like tesla, velakovski.They know that Mt Meru is real, they know the planet Venus was perched atop this 88 mile high mountain. They know Venus covered 1/4 of the sky and humans saw it. And then we have prabhupada, who has told us of even greater phenomena that we cannot hold in our kali yuga pygmy sized brains. He says King Prthu milked the earth planet for all its natural resources, that he carved hills and valleys, great oceans and rivers with his bare hands. Imagine, a 5000 year old tome that has facts just discovered a few years ago by the plate techtonicrats and yet to be discovered by the theoretic physicists. 18,000,000 is a lot to die, but the luciferian nagas plan a greater culling, maybe by next year. Remember to duck, and think Arci - Prthu as the chimes of freedom flash.

THE MESSAGE c.1989 mahaksadasa Bound up by confusion, drowned by the waves. Blinded by my envy, left sightless by the haze. Surrounded by many armies, embattled by my fear, Will I ever get the message, do I have time to hear? I don't seem to get much pay, every day I waste at work. I act the fool, and follow the rules, treated like the jerk. I've seen the clues, and I'm about to lose, I know the end is near. Will I ever get the message, do I have time to hear? Friends turn out to hate me, treat me like I'm nuts. Religious folk all shun me, their rhetoric I don't trust. I'm accused and convicted, my eyes are filled with tears. Will I ever get the message, do I have time to hear? I've heard of One Who loves me, picks me up with gentle hands. He lives in an Exotic Place that i have yet to understand. The purpose of my life is to serve and love my Lord, so dear. Will I ever get the message, do I have time to hear?

Siksa guru means one who does not deviate from the science of bhakti. Thus, I have concluded that a particular godbrother of mine is not deviating from the science of Srila Vyasadeva as taught by our spiritual master, Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. I offer him my humble obiesancies and reprint a wonderful study of this bhakti yoga, hare krsna, ys, mahaksadasa ... THE SCIENCE OF RELATIONSHIPS by Swami B.A. Paramadvaiti Spiritual life is the science of wonderful relationships based on love. One of our main problems in this world is that we scarcely have good and loving relationships. This is also why we seek liberation from material existence and try to attain a higher truth. We desire real love and happiness. We are born into a world where relationships are not based on respect. Man is merely a number, customer or object of enjoyment. Children don’t listen to their parents, and parents only respect them insofar as career and success can be expected. Hardly anyone cares for the elders. Females enjoy attention only while they are sexually attractive. Leaders don’t respect their constituents. The government does not care for the citizens and the police is established mainly for protecting the valuables of the rich from all those who have nothing. But we still try to understand the love that may connect us from soul to soul. In the Vedas, spiritual relationship is called nitya-sambandha, eternal relationship. This eternal relationship can be likened to the concept that we are still our mother’s son, long after she has passed away from this world. We feel that a kind of constancy exists, though in our previous lives, we have had many different mothers and other types of relationships. Whatever happens to us in this world is not eternal. Just like George Harrison sings: All things Must Pass. While searching for a relationship with the eternal world, we cannot avoid asking what the origin of our consciousness and individuality is? Without receiving an answer, we cannot really understand what takes place around us. If there exists only one piece of something, then its value is unique. Every being is unique and irreplaceable. Just like the tiny blue Mauritius stamp worth three million dollars. But still there is a problem. In our selfishness, we too easily imagine that others have no real value. In this way we also discredit our own value, gradually losing our self-esteem. If there is no one to say thank you to, life gets frozen around us. At this time, our mind pursues crooked ways; we complain about the entire creation and at last we flee into self-annihilation. We don’t notice the great treasure of our life, because we have never been taught to respect life and to respect others. It is imperative to make up for this deficiency, otherwise we miss the great chance of human life. Denying ourselves this opportunity is just as easy as pushing a glass off a table. This is why the Vedas say that the human form of life is meant for finding the truth. I believe searching for truth is the most wonderful opportunity in this world for us. Searching for truth and living up to it transforms the whole world into a great celebration. One wishes to present oneself as an optimist, oftentimes saying that everything is very good, everything is fantastic, everything will be a success. The Bhagavad Gita, however calls our attention to the fact that our world is temporary and full of suffering (duhkhalayam asasvatam). Maybe today we should say: Keep smiling, tomorrow will be worse than today. How can we call it a great celebration, just searching for the truth? When we get connected with the eternal reality, we no longer have any reason to complain about the fragile relationships of the world. We no longer lament for the body which is merely ever-changing matter. I am not the body; I am an eternally living, blissful spirit. Together with my brothers and sisters, I am connected with the Absolute Bliss, Sri Krsna. If someone is sick, I sit by his bedside, saying: You will be all right. Just chant the Holy Name! Even if you have to leave this body, chant God’s holy name and everything will be perfect. This is a fact. Think of God in the moment of death, and you will gain all values of life. At another time I may be bedridden and someone else will tell me to chant the Holy Names and remember Lord Krsna! So he gives me encouragement. Sometimes we help, sometimes we are helped; both are wonderful. What could be wrong with this? To comfort someone, to fill them with enthusiasm, to offer healing – what could be wrong in our feeling that we are all brothers? But we can do more than just comfort each other; we can do a lot together. We can celebrate, we can have prasadam (food offered to God) together. We can play music, we can see a play or we can build a temple, we can meditate, we can give good ideas to each other on how to act properly in this world. If we have a common goal, if we are able to cooperate, we will be very happy. We are young now, but we will get old. Why is it a problem? Do we want to stop the wheels of time form turning, to become a baby again, to creep back into the womb, to get absorbed? Let us accept the world as it is. Let us accept our karma. But let us understand what karma is, and what reincarnation is. Voltaire said: There is nothing strange about being reborn, if we consider how special it is to be born just once. Unfortunately, the common man does not know too much about the nature of the soul; he does not feel that every man and every animal is our brother. Human beings are great experts in killing, but they hardly care about how to mould their relationships with others. If things continue this way, we will have even greater problems in the future, and our culture will be destroyed. But it is possible to live in a different way. By becoming elevated from the mode of ignorance and passion to the mode of goodness, our relationships will become auspicious. But it is practically impossible to attain the platform of goodness without any deeper experience. It is accessible only if we have some spiritual experience, if we turn to God. This is accomplished by chanting the Holy Names, performing Mahamantra meditation and rendering loving service to God through bhakti yoga. In my experience, transcendental love cannot be achieved by any other approach. I am not saying that this is the only way, but it works; it is successful and joyous. On the platform of goodness we will be able to form sincere relationships and make our existence a positive, useful experience. We must stop causing trouble to others, starting with our spouses, children, brothers, and sisters. In our society even close relatives and friends oftentimes quarrel. In Vedic culture, siblings respect each other very much. The day of sibling-worship is an important family celebration. At such times sisters give a small gift to their brothers. They tie some colored thread on their wrists, asking for their protection by God’s blessing. The brother does his best for his sister, especially in protecting her. If a female is not married but has a brother, she can be sure there is someone to take care of her. The young man will not leave the house; he will not marry until his sister is wed, and until he is convinced that she is in good hands. This is not a theory; it is still like this today. If you try to attain a beautiful relationship with God, begin by trying to have good relationships with everyone. If you want to see Him, try to live so that He wants to see you. If you treat those around you as a good brother or sister, you can see God in them, too. This is the culture of spiritual progress. Since we have never been taught in this way, we have to learn it right now. Many people don’t respect even their mother. The mother sits at home and weeps while her son takes drugs in the park. What kind of relationship is this? From Vedic literature and relationship with devotees we will learn how to establish good connections with the people around us. Let us learn what we should do to understand what love is. Every relationship is important. How nice it is if we chant and dance together for Krsna! How nice if we share our house with others and no one has to fight with others! Everyone can smile and feel at home. Problems begin only when someone feels he has to leave. The reason so many people become alienated from the spiritual community is because there they cannot be in illusion, and because we don’t let anyone remain a prisoner of the material world. We long for the company of sincere people who want to fight against illusion, who want to be true friends of others. This does not mean the family has to be given up, since we can lead a real spiritual life within the framework of a family, though we also need a transcendental relationship. We need a relationship with Ishta-dev, the Lord of our heart. Searching for a relationship is essentially about finding a relationship with Him. Who is my Lord in this world? Whom do I want to obey? Whom should I worship? Whose happiness will be my happiness? Without the Lord of our heart we feel lonely even if there is a crowd around us. We cannot live happily without God, since we need Him. In the material world I try to be my own lord and I also would like to rule over you. And you think in the same way. This is how constant quarrels and wars pervade our lives. According to the science of devotion, if you have no master, you are like a stray dog. This sounds heavy, but the scriptures speak this way. Many dogs are wandering in the street and no one cares for them. If your eyes meet, they come wagging their tails and looking at us as if asking: Do you want to be my master? We quickly slip away and the dog hangs his head sadly: No one needs me. If we have no master, if we do not find the Lord of our heart for whom we are really important, then we may be intelligent and rich but still we are lonely, wandering around in the world without inner peace. Now modern psychology challenges us: Do you preach lack of self-reliance? Do you want me to remain weak, not to have self-esteem? Would you deprive me of my individuality? My reply is that I would never do that. But the level of your consciousness is revealed in how you choose your lord and master. You are qualified by how you choose a companion, how you rear your children and how you serve higher ideals. In our philosophy the development of an individual depends on what he respects, what idea he follows. The ideals are brought by those who represent them. When we respect the guru, we will not adore him as an individual, but as substance, as a safe contribution to our life. This love is ultimately meant for our Supreme Lord and Master. Maybe we have a personal teacher who is a temple president or a sannyasi, but we can have several instructing spiritual masters, siksa gurus, and we can love them all. If Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu is your master, the Lord of your heart, then each and every guru can become your master. A devotee is never lonely. He has no time to feel alone. And if he still feels like this, what can he do? He can go into the street and invite people, since the world is full of people who don’t know where to go. They frequent movies, bars and casinos, ever hopelessly looking for someone who will sincerely say: I love you. If you feel lonely, do something for others. Sometimes people complain: I am poor, no one loves me, no one cares for me. Then I ask: Don’t you think there are others in an even worse situation? They always reply: Yes, I know. Then I only inquire: Why do you complain? Go and help them because if you help, you will find you also get all kinds of assistance. This is the secret of love. You have to give what you wish to get. It is so simple. If you long for love, give love. If you say there is no love within you, ask your guru, and he will give you more than you can bear. If you want knowledge, then give knowledge to others. If you want friends, be a friend to others. But we still have some problems. We are a bit slow-witted since in the mode of passion and ignorance we can only theoretically appreciate this information. The point is, we have to live our life in a different way. It is the Hare Krsna Mahamantra that helps us through this change. Chant this mantra, and many wonderful and mystic things will happen to you; you will get all the strength you may require. Goodness itself comes to save you. If it is cold, then we will find protection in a warm room. If we are hungry, a great plateful of food will mean shelter. If we look for a real friend and guide, the Holy Names of the Mahamantra and Krsna’s devotees will give total support. We are not much interested in people for whom spiritual life is only a pleasant way of spending their time. Of course we love them; we are glad that they chant the Hare Krsna mantra and eat prasadam. We are looking for the association of those devotees who assume responsibility for helping others, who are willing to become spiritual leaders. They are not terrified of performing the responsible job of a human being. They are not proud, but they are ready to give the greatest treasure to others. Krsna’s Holy Name is so powerful, it can transform everyone into a spiritual maser. A modest devotee will understand this. The real spiritual master is everyone’s servant. A servant of the servants of the servants, and he is happy if he can serve others. If a dangerous disease is devastating a country, doctors are summoned to heal the sick. If the uncertainty of basic human values causes suffering, brahmanas need to be summoned to give spiritual knowledge to humankind. My Gurudeva, Srila Prabhupada, dedicated his life to this. Brahmanas constitute the backbone of society. This is why they are praised in the Vedas. We all must become qualified servants of mankind. But in order to become a brahmana, we have to learn a few very important points. We have to learn to chant the mantra from the core of our heart, we have to live in a regulated way, avoiding all undesirable activity.

start with a silk sari and a nose ring. And ya gotta know how to milk a cow.

hey, AM, haribol. This is a good question, but before we get started with the incessant rhetoric of personality cultists, we must first understand that Srila Prabhupada uses the word worship to include parents, brahmanas, spiritual masters, etc. All these are worthy of worship. However, there is a word that specifically means worship of the Supreme Lord, Ill look it up when I got more time, and post the quote. This word indicates only Krsna, but Krsna is also meaning his paraphenalia, his devotee. So, we give this same type of exclusive Krsna worship ONLY to those who are fully Krsna Conscious devotees of Krsna. If we throw this worship around because we are feeling pressure from fanatics who think their guru is on the same level as other gurus, this is bogus, aqnd has no value. Give them worship based on this hearsay, but not the worship that is exclusively reserved for krsna. Even Prabhupada never stated that he is worshippable. Anyone who worships him do so only with the realization that he in intimately connected in love with Krsna, such as his disciples and followers whose lives have been made sublime because they have followed his advice. If someone else comes along and says that his godbrothers are just as good, just as worshippable, this may be true or may not be true. Are we such whores to throw away our exclusive love on someone elses wor4d about someone who never made our life sublime? I think not6. If, however, one studies under a particular prabhupada godbrother, and makes advancement to a level that recognition of such a person in loving relationship with krsna, then this exclusive worship is perfectly okay. But not on some joe shmoe das fanaticism spouted off on the internet. Ive been so told many times, and I no ho. Maybe so, for you, but not for me. mahaksadasa

wilburys, their best, IMHO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLipHoBSbJY

but nothing seems to be said. The whole philosophy is contained in the holy names, and by chanting these names, all mental speculation about the millions of things spoken about about the cosmos, the philosophical speculations about origins, all stop. In the name KRSNA, all is solved. If one believes in a particular slant, and the opponant believes in the opposite, if they sing the holy names together, there is unity. Without the holy names, there is not only arguement that produces headaches, but actual loss of unity, animosity, which may serve to INCREASE our vocabulary, as seen by the new names we call those who dont accept us as guru, but fails to soothe the self, the actual cravings of the living being. So, make a tape, put it on the net, then we all agree, we all are firends, and we leave the world of envy, avarice, one-upmanship, behind in the mire and muck of babylon, where it all belongs. I got a hundred casettes, a new computer with movie maker and mp3, and a stack of discs. Its what I want to say, its what I want to hear, its getting late. http://www.esnips.com/doc/e84c3215-f962-4e5d-8142-ae00115bf858/01[url="http://www.esnips.com/doc/695e4014-288b-4528-b11e-9dfb7a25fd31/03"] Hare Krsna, ys, mahaksadasa

it is just a reasonable way to describe the disease of too much testosterone (hows that, two threads with one shot, eat your heart out, duke, hoppy). The first word was much too cumbersome. I mean, how can one use "billygoaty" in a barroom line.

sunnis and paulists. and will always have the other side of their coin to deal with, shia and gnostics. guru tattwa isnt decided by a professor with lots of plaques on the wall, all the sages at naimisaranya were content with the compromise of romaraharsana, but balarama makes such decisions.

Because the islam and judeo christian WORSHIP from a position of servitude to a personal God, whereas, there is no worship or service rendered by the meditator on localized paramatma. There may be vestiges of desire left in the paramatma vadi, but such desire is not for the lord, rather a desire to become one with the localized paramatma. It is a simple matter that one cannot be considered devotee unless there is recognition of God being a separate being, worthy of worship. The occidental versaions of rudimentary vaisnavism accept this, allah akbar (god is great), the lords prayer, etc. As discussed above, the mystic may eventually come to accept the separate aspect of the Supreme Person while engaging in meditation on supersoul, but this is not a natural progression of such practice, which usually succumbs to monism and false claims that the jiva has become god. haribol, ys, mahaksadasa

This is why they have free websites, this is where your stuff should be filed. Audarya is faultless in this misfortune.

good show. good character, too. Fraser never had it so good, a real loser ever since she went away, just like adam with eve. mahak

50,000 income, 65,000 outgo, equals -$15,000. Some rich. Better than -$53,000,000 tho.