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Happy, healthy and an inspiring 2009 to Jayapataka Maharaj and his wonderful care's - HAPPY NEW YEAR HARE KRSNA These are few pictures of Jayapataka Swami at the Bhaktivedanta Hospital taken on December 23, 2008. Further Updates: 22-Dec-08 Report by Vaikuntapati Prabhu: Maharaja was taking facial therapy from Dr. Mahabahu prabhu when we arrived to his room. By his expert treatment he could close his left eye better than before and the face appearance is getting better day by day. Everyday Maharaja gets 2 or 3 times the facial therapy and each session lasts for 30 minutes. Prasadam was served after his facial therapy. Then the physiotherapist came to see Maharaja to give bed exercises and also to teach Bhadara Balaram prabhu and Ekanath Gaura prabhu so that they can give the same exercises to Maharaja as often possible during the day. At 4:30 pm the opthologist doctor came with their machine to check Guru Maharaja’s eyes. They also appreciate face therapist’s treatment that Guru Maharaja can close his left eye better and eventually Guru Maharaja will not have his left eye taped while sleeping at night. When the devotees were shifting Guru Maharaja to the bed his right hand accidently hit the rails of the bed and Guru Maharaja expressed a sudden pain saying, “ouch!” Immediately Dr.Shiromani mataji said this means the right hand started to sense the pain and it is a good sign. At 6:15 pm Jagannath, Baladev and Subadra deities came to Guru Maharaja’s room. Guru Maharaja took darsan of Them, offered flowers and took a small piece of prasad. After that Narataki Mataji, Srila Prabhupada’s disciple who resides above Guru Maharaja’s room in the spiritual care department came to see him and recollected how Guru Maharaja was serving so nicely Srila Prabhupada. Guru Maharaja was so tired after getting so many therapies since the morning, so the servants desired to give him prasadam and put him to early rest. At 8:15 pm Guru Maharaja was served prasadam and at 9:15 pm he was on the bed sleeping. Ekanath Gaura prabhu shared with us all how in the morning during the physiotherapy session Guru Maharaja showed improvement in his walking using the parallel bars and with the support of the devotees. <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

Happy, healthy and an inspiring 2009 to Jayapataka Maharaj and his wonderful care's - HAPPY NEW YEAR HARE KRSNA These are few pictures of Jayapataka Swami at the Bhaktivedanta Hospital taken on December 23, 2008. Further Updates: 22-Dec-08 Report by Vaikuntapati Prabhu: Maharaja was taking facial therapy from Dr. Mahabahu prabhu when we arrived to his room. By his expert treatment he could close his left eye better than before and the face appearance is getting better day by day. Everyday Maharaja gets 2 or 3 times the facial therapy and each session lasts for 30 minutes. Prasadam was served after his facial therapy. Then the physiotherapist came to see Maharaja to give bed exercises and also to teach Bhadara Balaram prabhu and Ekanath Gaura prabhu so that they can give the same exercises to Maharaja as often possible during the day. At 4:30 pm the opthologist doctor came with their machine to check Guru Maharaja’s eyes. They also appreciate face therapist’s treatment that Guru Maharaja can close his left eye better and eventually Guru Maharaja will not have his left eye taped while sleeping at night. When the devotees were shifting Guru Maharaja to the bed his right hand accidently hit the rails of the bed and Guru Maharaja expressed a sudden pain saying, “ouch!” Immediately Dr.Shiromani mataji said this means the right hand started to sense the pain and it is a good sign. At 6:15 pm Jagannath, Baladev and Subadra deities came to Guru Maharaja’s room. Guru Maharaja took darsan of Them, offered flowers and took a small piece of prasad. After that Narataki Mataji, Srila Prabhupada’s disciple who resides above Guru Maharaja’s room in the spiritual care department came to see him and recollected how Guru Maharaja was serving so nicely Srila Prabhupada. Guru Maharaja was so tired after getting so many therapies since the morning, so the servants desired to give him prasadam and put him to early rest. At 8:15 pm Guru Maharaja was served prasadam and at 9:15 pm he was on the bed sleeping. Ekanath Gaura prabhu shared with us all how in the morning during the physiotherapy session Guru Maharaja showed improvement in his walking using the parallel bars and with the support of the devotees.

Don't be so judgemental, just because you cannot comprehend, it does not mean others cannot as well Also, if one reads this, that is their choice, realization IS a personal understanding of knowledge to share with who ever is interested. Even Srila Vyasa had ALL the knowledge of how the material creation works, but still had one thing missing (pure loving selfless humble devotion to Krsna) and that why he recited the Srimad Bhagavatam. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Don't fool yourself Beggar Prabhu, there are many advanced devotees on this website, and many fallen rascals as well (like me, and everyone knows it for real). Krsna’s mercy is very personal though and beyond our judgemental ideas of what we think of others and what we think they know and have realized and deserve. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Have you ever thought that it is possible to even get Closer to God due to the fall downs and mistakes we may have made? The present version of ISKCON cannot understand this causeless wonderful mercy of Lord Caitanya and Prabhupada yet, who can show us for real, WE ARE NOT THIS MATERIAL BODY. Our realizations begin there.

Yes, if we, the jiva tattva had no independence to forget or remember Krishna in Goloka based on choice and free will, we would not have any individuality, no independent personality. And, as you excellently explained theist prabhu, those who think the jiva tattva has no independence to forget or remember Krishna in Goloka, based on choice and free will, are simply polluted by Mayavadi philosophy.

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Can a child go from kingergarden to University over night? Yes, it is possible to be Krishna conscious in a second but for most it will take not only years but generations. Your foolish IMMATURE intelligence cannot understand the fact that maturity is needed FIRST!! TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU QUOTE instead of being a cut and paste parrot - Hare Krsna!

The living entities like us, ARE the marginal energy or tatastha sakti that is not some place or region in the universe as some suggest, but is what we are, there is no something else because there are only two types of living entities – Vishnu-tattva and jiva-tattva <o:p></o:p> The marginal living entity, jiva-tattva or other words that simple mean jiva tattva, like tatastha sakti, is a bodily form in their original full constitutional foundation and potential when they realize their true identity of who they really are and have always been, which is expressed as nitya-siddha in their innovative perpetual position. <o:p></o:p> So marginal, jiva tattva and tatastha simply means the ability to choose the land and the ocean or Goloka and the mahat-tattva. The marginal is therefore known as "tatastha sakti" <o:p></o:p> NOTE, THERE ARE 170 DIFFERENT ‘JIVA’ names that all mean jiva-tattva in different spiritual and material pastimes

We Have Also Come Down from Vaikuntha BY: GAURAGOPALA DASA <CENTER> Bhaktivedanta Book Trust. </CENTER> Sep 16, USA (SUN) — We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago, try and understand. Srila Prabhupada - “We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago." - Lecture on Bhagavad-gita on August 6, 1973 In the Spiritual Sky exists Krsna’s Supreme Planet Goloka Vrndavana surrounded by the Vaikuntha Planets established in the ‘eternal present’ where there is no past or future that has the side effect of permeance and eternal youth where nothing perishes and reality is permanent <CENTER> Bhaktivedanta Book Trust. </CENTER> Also existing sometimes in the Spiritual Sky, taking up 25% of ‘eternity’ is the mahat tattva or material creation where there is no ‘present’, only past and future that has the side effect of decay and impermanent where ‘reality’ is only temporary. The following gives details and the final proof , as clearly explained by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, that all jiva/souls or marginal living entities are originally ( Which means eternally when referring to the Kingdom of God ), are actually serving Krishna perpetually, as their full devotional bodily form, right at this very moment. However, presently, due to the free will and choice all marginal living entities have, some have chosen to forget their real eternal vigraha (form) svarupa (devotional body) that is always present in Krsnaloka, just like one forgets their present biological body while dreaming . This means all living entities have an imperishable bodily form called ‘svarupa’ which is the full potential and expression of their character eternal present in Goloka even if they are ‘dreaming or thinking’ they are in the material creation (mahat tattva). Many have laughed when told their existence in the material world is just the dream state they have created. However, if they care to read Prabhupada’s books, they will find it is ALL their dream ONLY EXPERIENCED by 'entering' unlimited dream identities or vessels within the dreams of Maha Vishnu - Srila Prabhupada - “This material creation is the spirit soul's dream. Actually all existence in the material world is a dream of Maha-Vis?n?u, as the Brahma-samhita describes - Srila Bhaktisiddhanta - “This material world is created by the dreaming of Mah?-Vis?n?u. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation”. 4.29.83. http://vedabase.net/sb/4/29/83/en Srila Prabhupada - “Everything happening within time, which consists of past, present and future, is merely a dream. This is the secret in understanding in all the Vedic literature.” SB. 4.29.2b. Srila Prabhupada - “Of course, everyone has a particular relationship with the Lord, and that relationship is evoked by the perfection of devotional service. But in the present status of our life, we have not only forgotten the Supreme Lord, but we have forgotten our eternal relationship with the Lord”. Bhagavad-Gita, Introduction Srila Prabhupada - “Every living being. has a particular relationship with the Lord eternally, That is called svarupa. By the process of devotional service, one can revive that svarupa, and that stage is called svarupa-siddhi- perfection of one’s constitutional position . Bhagavad-Gita, Introduction. Srila Prabhupada - “We have an intimate relationship with the Lord, and because we are all qualitatively one . . . the whole purpose of Bhagavad-gita is to revive our sanatana occupation, or sanatana dharma, which is the eternal occupation of the living entity “. Bhagavad-Gita, Introduction. Srila Prabhupada - “The Lord descends to reclaim all of these fallen, conditioned souls to call them back to the sanatana eternal sky so that the sanatana living entities may regain their eternal sanatana positions of eternal association with the Lord.” Bhagavad-Gita, Introduction. Srila Prabhupada - “In his original state, there is no doubt of enjoyment; therefore, that is his real state.” Bhagavad-gita, 13.21, purport. Srila Prabhupada - “Originally everyone (all marginal living entities) is nitya-siddha (eternally liberated)” Srimad-Bhagavatam Class 7.9.4- Mayapur, February 18, 1977 Srila Prabhupada - “Originally everyone is nitya-siddha. nitya-siddha krsna-bhakti ’sadhya’ kabhu naya sravanadi-suddha-citte karaye udaya. Every living entity originally nitya-siddha". Srimad-Bhagavatam Class 7.9.4- Mayapur, February 18, 1977 Srila Prabhupada - "So to go to Krishna means you will have to acquire your original , spiritual body. The spiritual body is already there , but we are now covered by this material body". His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada Germany, June 22, 1974 Srila Prabhupada - "As living spiritual souls we are all originally Krsna conscious entities, but due to our association with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness has now become polluted by the material atmosphere." (Original Hare Krsna album) Srila Bhaktivinoda Takura - “However, because of contact with matter, the imprisoned soul loses the memory of his original spiritual form in Vaikuntha. . . material rasas are perverted reflections of the soul's original spiritual rasas .” Prema-pradipa, p. 83 Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Prabhupada - “It is the jivas who are the attendants in His Sports. They become attached to matter, having deviated from their own essential nature as the result of their desire for enjoyment. But when again the soul . . . gains true wisdom of the transcendental region of God . . . he begins to get back his pure essential nature” Sri Caitanya's Teachings, p. 323. Srila Prabhupada - “Existence in the impersonal Brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the Brahman effulgence, they are also in the fallen condition. So there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition”. - Letter, June 13, 1970. Srila Prabhupada said to me in the Sydney Temple room in early 1973, when he came in while I was cleaning. Srila Prabhupada had started ecstatically laughing when he saw I had put paintings of the Pancha tattva and Krsna and Balarama on the step of his Vyasa chair - “That’s not where the Lord goes”. Then after a short silence he added, Srila Prabhupada - “Soon you will understand, try to understand also YOUR real bodily form is ALWAYS in Vaikuntha” Then Srila Prabhupada continued laughing at where I put these paintings while I cleaned the walls. At the time I realized the importance at what he said. It was many, many years later when the ‘origin of the jiva’ debate AGAIN started ( Actually that debate started in 1972 and ended with Prabhupada’s words to me, at least as far as I was concerned on this subject, in 1973 ). During the 1990s, I wondered what everyone was arguing about because Prabhupada has made it very clear that ALL marginal living entities have come down from Vaikuntha to the material world, not as their Svarupa body , but rather as a jiva baddha dream protrusion. The misleading book ‘ Not even the leaves fall from Vaikuntha ’ plus the teachings of both Srila Narayana Maharaj and Srila Sridar Maharaj, who I have heard both speak on this subject, are, with all due respect, NOT the teachings that Srila Prabhupada gave us on this subject. This why I am so strongly convinced that presently we are only dreaming while our real bodily self actually NEVER leaves Goloka. Frankly, I do not care what anyone says on this subject, as I have already proven on so many threads on the Internet. Many people, including several sannyasis and guru’s, have called me all kinds of names like ‘sleep avadi’ to ‘dream avadi’ however, due to that personal intimate wonderful personal association with my Spiritual Master His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada in 1973, with all humility , no one can ever take away from me what he said or convince me otherwise . Srila Prabhupada - “Because he falls down from Brahma-sayujya (impersonal liberated condition), he thinks that may be his origin, but he does not remember that long, long, long, long ago before that even, he was with Krishna”. Letter to Australian devotees 1972 under Madhudvisa Swami Actually we are all pure devotees, eternal associates of Krishna but we have forgotten that long, long, long, long, long ago. We have foolishly allowed ourselves to be covered, due to free will, by the cloud of selfish desires, thoughts and dreams that blocks out our memory of who we really are. Such desires place us in dream vessels within the mahat-tattva dream creation of Maha Vishnu. Try to understand what Prabhupada is telling us. Srila Prabhupada - "You are already in the spiritual sky , but you are simply covered. Just like the sun is already there. You are also already there…So actually we are always in the spiritual world. But when you forget Krishna by the cloud of illusion that is material. Try to understand". In a Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture given in London, on July 30, 1971 Srila Prabhupada - "Actually we are not fallen therefore, at any moment we can revive .. as soon as we understand that I have nothing to do with this material world I am simply Krishna's servant. Eternal servant. That's all". Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture given in London, on July 30, 1971 Revive in English simply means to regain or re-establish , or in this case, wake up from this material dream and remember who we really are as a eternal nitya siddha servant of Krishna. Srila Prabhupada - "As soon as we understand that our svarupa body is always in Krsnaloka and that we have nothing to do with Maha-Vishnu's material world and His created bodily vessels our sub-conscious baddha-jiva condition is housed in, then we can understand we are simply Krishna's servant. Eternal servant. That's all Srila Prabhupada - "You are liberated. You are liberated. Simply just a cloud has covered you. Drive away the cloud. There is no question that you were ever (conditioned as nitya-baddha in the material world)". ( Lecture on Sri Caitanya-Caritamrita, Adi-lila 7.108--San Francisco, February 18, 1967 ) Srila Prabhupada -"You are ever-liberated (meaning in our original and eternal state, we are all nitya-siddha). The sky is always spiritual but is sometimes overcrowded with cloud (known as the mahat-tattva or material creation that is in one corner of the Spiritual Sky), this is Maya (The cloud is created by Maha-Vishnu and His Wife Maya-Devi, through her powerful s'akti, controls all the bodily vessels occupied by the visiting DREAMING baddha-jivas)". ( Lecture on Sri Caitanya-Caritamrita, Adi-lila 7.108--San Francisco, February 18, 1967 ) Srila Prabhupada - "Actually, you are not conditioned. You are thinking. Just like in the dream you are thinking that tiger is eating you. You were never eaten by tiger. There is no tiger. So we have to get out of this dream". ( Lecture on Sri Caitanya-Caritamrita, Adi-lila 7.108--San Francisco, February 18, 1967 ) Hare Krsna From your fallen servant, Gauragopala dasa

The paramatma just sent me a text message in code to respond The paramatma just sent me a text message in code to respond <?xml:namespace prefix = v ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" /><v:shapetype id=_x0000_t75 stroked="f" filled="f" path="m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" o:preferrelative="t" o:spt="75" coordsize="21600,21600"><v:stroke joinstyle="miter"></v:stroke><v:formulas><v:f eqn="if lineDrawn pixelLineWidth 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @0 1 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum 0 0 @1"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @2 1 2"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelWidth"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelHeight"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @0 0 1"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @6 1 2"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelWidth"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @8 21600 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelHeight"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @10 21600 0"></v:f></v:formulas><v:path o:connecttype="rect" gradientshapeok="t" o:extrusionok="f"></v:path><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:lock aspectratio="t" v:ext="edit"></o:lock></v:shapetype><v:shape id=_x0000_i1025 style="WIDTH: 12pt; HEIGHT: 12pt" alt="0" type="#_x0000_t75"><v:imagedata o:href="http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" src="file:///C:/DOCUME~1/Rodney/LOCALS~1/Temp/msoclip1/01/clip_image001.gif"></v:imagedata></v:shape><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> To start with Bija, you are already Nitya siddha but have forgotten due to thinking you are the vessel supplied to you by Maha Vishnu. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Secondly everyone on these threads know I respect the teachings of Sridar Maharaj and Narayana Maharaj except when it comes to the point of where we originated - I have sat and listened to both devotee in India and reject their idea of 'tatastha s’akti' way back then in the 70s.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> As Hrydayananda Maharaj states, Prabhupada never gave much emphasis on this word tatastha and simply tol us all that we have cone down from Vaikuntha many of millions of years ago, yes, he does put a time limit when we ALL came here.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada explains this very clearly - ‘We are also expansions of Krishna’s form. These jivas, the living entities… Krishna is expanding in two ways, svamsa and vibhinnamsa. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada “Svamsa means Vishnu. One extension, expansion, is just directly He Himself”. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada “And vibhinnamsa is separated from Him. That separated from Him (marginal) we are’. Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture 1.3.1-3 — San Francisco, March 28, 1968<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – “This material creation is the spirit soul's dream. Actually all existence in the material world is a dream of Mahā-Viṣṇu, as the Brahma-saḿhitā describes<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Bhaktisiddhanta - “This material world is created by the dreaming of Mahā-Viṣṇu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation”. 4.29.83.http://vedabase.net/sb/4/29/83/en<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “Everything happening within time, which consists of past, present and future, is merely a dream. This is the secret in understanding in all the Vedic literature.” SB. 4.29.2b.<o:p></o:p> my response was "I don't know what they think in Iskcon but it is obvious that you have no idea of what Prabhupada meant by "fall".<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p>

Firstly, you don't even know me, so why the less intelligent statement??secondly I first joined ISKCON at 17 years of age and in those days out duty was to distrbute books and we also had our classes, far more stricter then than now Everone had to attend Bhagavatam class nector of Devotion class at 6.15pm Bhagavad Gita class from 7.30 to 9pm ISKCON had potency back then that is not there today I STAND BY MY COMMENT Quote: <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #666666 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 3ex; BORDER-TOP: #666666 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 3ex; BORDER-LEFT: #666666 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #666666 1px solid" bgColor=#e0e0e0>Originally Posted by Sarva gattah <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> The fact is, we are still pioneers and book distribution is more important than the material designations of Varna or Asrama </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> meaning that will naturally develop later as ISKCON matures AND STOPS BEING IMMATURE Srila Prabhupada - "First, distribute my books like the allies dropped bombs on Dresden Germany in WW2 and the rest will follow"

Happy Xmas (War is Starting*) 12/26/2008 ISLAMABAD — Pakistan has begun moving some troops away from its western border with Afghanistan and has stopped many soldiers from going on leave amid rising tensions with India, Pakistani officials said Friday. The move is likely to frustrate the United States, which has been pressing Pakistan to battle militants in its lawless northwest territories and working hard to cool tempers in the two nuclear-armed nations following the terrorist attacks last month in Mumbai that left 171 dead. Sounds like it could be another false alarm -- these two countries have had several in recent years -- and let's hope so. War is always senseless on one level or another, but what anyone would expect to gain in a war involving these two nuclear powers is baffling, other than appeasing various militant factions in their own countries. This story also shows that dealing with weakened Pakistan is a bad situation for our efforts to do anything about al-Qaeda and related terrorism on their Afghan border. (* Another early 1970s music reference to annoy my non-Baby Boomer readers.)by Will Bunch

Quote: <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #666666 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 3ex; BORDER-TOP: #666666 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 3ex; BORDER-LEFT: #666666 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #666666 1px solid" bgColor=#e0e0e0>Originally Posted by Beggar But it is not that "dreaming" of the jiva soul is less powerful than the human jivas sleeping experience. It is actually much, much more powerful. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Good answer, we forget that even in the heavenly planets ones thoughts and dreams are REALITY also because there is no difference with dreams, thiughts and actions in the heavenly planets, what to speak of Vaikuntha. Not easy to understand, even Ravindra Svarupa prabhu ACBSP cannot understand that dreamsa ARE reality in Vaikuntha, i enjoy listening to his lectures

In the beginning of ISKCON, all there was , was Book distribution, Deity worship, buying Temples, Spiritual Sky, and any other way to make money buy hook or crook' as Prabhupada encouraged us to do. WHY? Because we were laying the foundations of a movement to last 10,000 years. Back then we bought all our major Temples and farms. The varna asrama was there in imitation and ‘talk’ only. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Everyone was encouraged to be a book distributor, if you could not distribute books, it was very hard to be a Temple devotee back then. The Book distributors were the demigods of ISKCON in those days, better than the lowly pot washer, pujari, the ‘fringes’ as buddhi and the boys called them, at Spiritual Sky.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> In 1973, Chittahari called me from Sydney Temple to go to Adelaide to ‘pick the bone’ (ISKCON slang for collecting money selling books.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> So I went to Adelaide and at first sold hundreds of books, collecting $150 or more dollars a day, a lot of bread (Luxmi) back in those days. Anyway after a few weeks my ‘pick’ went down to $90 a day, then 60, then 40 then going to the city library to read the Mahabharata. I was fried and just could not keep up the momentum. Chittahari was furious when I came back with no money and rang Madhudvisa to complain. He put me on pot washing duty as punishment and you know I was far happier washing pots than selling books 24/7. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> I clearly understood the great importance of book distribution as laying the foundations down, my greatest ecstasy ever was selling the Krsna Book trilogy with Buddhimanta, Balarama ect that night in late 1973, we took over down Town Melbourne and I will never forget that everywhere I looked, EVERYONE was carrying the Krishna Book trilogy. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> That night we went back to Burnet street Temple in St,kilda and everyone was counting their ‘pick’, then Buddhimanta picked up a wad of $20 notes and through them at Yasomatinandana and then he through his money at Balarama and Hari Sauri. Buddhi also grabbed all the money from others and used me as a money tree, burying me in all this money. How much was it? Well within six months we bought the new Melbourne Temple that today is valued at $11,000,000<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The fact is, we are still pioneers and book distribution is more important than the material designations of Varna or Asrama

I'm with you Bija in this world however, if we become Krishna conscious, isn't it a possibility without that dreaded inbred human fear of totalitarianism, facism, didtatorships and peronality selfish 'worship me' cults (like that clever dictator ***** Swami and his cronnie 'yes men') that some ISKCON hoodoo gurus have been guiltly in the past (666?) Srila Prabhupada "In this present day, man is very eager to have one scripture, one God, one religion, and one occupation. Srila Prabhupada "So let there beone common scripture for the whole world--Bhagavad-gita. And let there be one God only for the whole world--Sri Krishna. And one mantra only--Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. And let there be one work only--the service of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.Srila Prabhupada's lectures on Bhagavad-gita

That’s why never lend ANYONE money - Also some people are genuinely broke, you cannot get blood out of a stone. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The cheaters and the cheated <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Also in 1977 I worked for this rogue at Spiritual Sky Melbourne and collected over $250,000 in 10 months that I was told was for the building of Mayapur. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Instead this long rogue bought houses and went for weekend skiing trips to New Zealand and even Switzerland. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> He just used me, payed me $50 a week and never questioned anything because I thought it was all for Prabhupada - Frankly, I'm still pissed off and haven't forgiven his lies and cheating. YES, you are right, it is hard to forgive something that snowballed - I don't expected nor deserve to ever be forgiven for what I have done, by me that is. That’s between me and Prabhupada<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Who cares what all the other self-righteous materialists so called devotee in the axis of hypocrites think (1 –The present version of the mundane ISKCON camp, 2- Gaudiya math Narayana Camp, 3- Gaudiya math Govinda camp

Jahnava Nitai Das -“Do not allow the past to hurt you. First forgive yourself for whatever mistakes you may have done, and then move on in sadhana. As long as we hold on to undeserved guilt we will always feel depressed in our service’. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Your servant, Jahnava Nitai Das. Part of Personal letter to Gauragopala dasa ACBSP (Sarva gattah)

Prahlad & the Krishna Kids - 1986 "Through the Eyes of a Child" A musical top ten hit in Australia and a number of countries. Prahlad and the Krishna Kids were all devotees at ISKCON New Govardhan. This LP was bought via Ebay in 2005. Hare Krishna! All files are .mp3. To download right-click on the file and "Save (File) As....." to your harddrive. (01) Through The Eyes Of A Child (02) We Want To See The 21st Century (03) Its Up To You (04) Life Can Be Better (05) In Every Town And Village (06) Mr Gorbachev Please Let Our Friends Go (07) Island Nations (08) Message For Tomorrow (09) My Generation (10) Listen To The Children All 10 song files zipped (37.3MB) Executive producer Gauragopala dasa ACBSP Produced by Havi and Mark Oputs EMI Sydney and Springbrook Queenland May 1986 (07)NOTE of erra -Actually Island Nations - is the historical the great song Mr Gorbachev Please Let Our Friends Go . Listen to the beginning of the soviet freedom campaign and how the plea of a group of 12 year old children led to the freedom of Russian Hare Krishnas in the Soviet UNION - Even Gorbechev himself personally was moved by this song . And yes, a child helped lead to the collapes of the Soviet enpire ! </SPAN> Also the kids were way ahead of their time in 1986 singing about child sexual, emotional, psychological and physical abuse in the song ‘It’s up to you’ way before the problems in ISKCON nd the Catholic church was exposed. Apparently Dryn Hynch was also impressed with what that song exposed wghich was the secret abases in society. It was also played in the states and some even give that song credit for beginning the world wide campaign again child human rights violations

Merry Krishna and a happy Hare Rama

Very interesting wording and prose that has made me think more clearly, my point was only trying to say, 'it is not a useless endeavour attempting to understand our origins serving Krishna' - to a point and it is that point you are making. We can only realize these things individually in our hearts through bhakti and not through jnan, although discussion nourishes and quenches our spiritual thirst.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Actually you write well but in all humility, can you please make your posts into paragraphs - it’s just easier for 4-eyed persons like myself to read.<o:p></o:p> Hare Krishna, your posts are inspiring.<o:p></o:p>

When Prabhupada came to the West (America) in 1965, he was also told by some Godbrothers that it was useless preaching to the meathead Americans, but Prabhupada never gave up because he new the Westerners would gradually understand.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Yes to some Prabhupada’s teachings was useless because they never really wanted to know the truth in the first place however, enough followed Prabhupada to open a Temple in every major city on the planet - jai SRILA PRABHUPADA who initiated only 4,400 disciples in the short 11 years he was with us.

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Thakur-“The position of the jiva IS a part of the tatastha-sakti that can enjoy, cease to enjoy, and go back to his original position”. Sri Caitanya’s Teachings, p. 101 Srila Prabhupada –“Every living entity is of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and thus every living entity is intended to serve the Supreme Lord by his own constitution. Failing to do this, he falls down. Bhagavad Gita 6.47 Srila Prabhupada – “Anyone who does not render service and neglects his duty unto the primeval lord, who is the source of all living entities will certainly fall down from his constitutional position.” Bhagavatam (11.5.3) <?xml:namespace prefix = u1 /><u1:p></u1:p> And Srila Prabhupada says in a similar vein on a morning walk: <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> Paramahamsa - So we can come to the spiritual world and return? <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Prabhupada - Yes.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Paramahamsa - Falldown?<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Prabhupada - Yes…. He goes out of his free will; again comes out, again goes. Like that. (Cheviot Hills Golf Course-5-13-73, L.A.) <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada stressed the verse: Mahaajano yena gatah sa panthaa - one must follow in the footsteps of the Mahajanas <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Mahabhaarata, Vana Parva, 313.117. And who is speaking these verses from Brahma Vaivarta Purana? <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> They happen to be Mahajanas. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> <o:p>So, in conclusion the Mahajanas have talked about agatya patanam, falling from Vaikuntha/Goloka. Vyasadeva, who compiled the Puranas, has presented slokas about patanam (falldown)</o:p> <o:p></o:p> <o:p>So has Bhaktivinode Thakura and Bhaktisiddhanta Thakura mentioned fall and no fall of the jiva. </o:p> <o:p></o:p> <o:p>Srila Prabhupada has quoted Srimad Bhagavatam to stress the point about freewill causing the jiva to fall, so one cannot say that ISKCON devotees are the only ones who have spoken of the fall of the jiva from Vaikuntha and Goloka. </o:p>

Very well explained theist. Actually all living entities are a pure devotee but have chose to forget that long, long, long, long, long, long ago. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> We have allowed ourselves to be covered by the cloud of selfish desires that blocks out our memory of who Krishna is and who we really are as our ‘svarupa’ body". <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Jeffster try to understand what Prabhupada is telling us.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada- "You are already in the spiritual sky, but you are simply covered. Just like the sun is already there. You are also already there"London July 30, 1971 <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada- "So actually we are always in the spiritual world. But when you forget Krishna by the cloud of illusion, that is material. Try to understand".London July 30, 1971 <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada- "Actually we are not fallen therefore, at any moment we can revive our Krishna consciousness. As soon as we understand that, "I have nothing to do with this mundane world, I am simply Krishna's servant. Eternal servant. That's all". In a Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture given in London, on July 30, 1971 <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "You are liberated. You are liberated. Simply just a cloud has covered you. Drive away the cloud. There is no question that you were ever. You are ever-liberated. That, the sky is always spiritual, but it is sometimes overcrowded with cloud, this Maya. This is called Maya"an Francisco, February 18, 1967)<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "Actually, you are not conditioned (nitya-baddha). You are thinking. Just like in the dream you are thinking that tiger is eating you. You were never eaten by tiger. There is no tiger. So we have to get out of this dream". (Lecture on Sri Caitanya-Caritamrita, Adi-lila 7.108--San Francisco, February 18, 1967)<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "This material creation is the spirit soul's dream, all existence in this world is the dream of Mahā-Viṣṇu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation.4.29.83.

You are right, however it is not a division of Consciousness, but rather it is a division of time, it appears you are in two places simultaneously because of the time difference and not your individual consciousness. The eternal present’ is always imperishable, it is always their even if you fall out of sync with Goloka due to self generated desires that immediately puts you in the realm of past, present and future.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The other night I dreamed a war started between India and Pakistan and somehow it went nuclear, I was in Delhi and a bomb airburst above the city and everything was burning including my body, it was so real and I just called out Krishna’s name and woke up in my bed realizing it was just a dream, that seemed so, so real. There I was sleeping in my bed and being vaporized in Delhi at the same time, yes, time. This is a very mundane example to point out you can be in two places simultaneously<o:p></o:p> It is not a division of Consciousness, but rather it is a division of time, it appears you are in two places simultaneously because of the time difference and not your individual consciousness.

Yes true, but the trees and the grass and the animal kingdom is also beautiful it seems , but how did all those souls attain the 'beauty' of nature? Do you get my point, it is beauty but under it all is a violent struggle for existance The IMPERSONAL Brahmajyoti is the same, very beautiful but also vibrating with dormant inactive lost souls Quote: <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #666666 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 3ex; BORDER-TOP: #666666 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 3ex; BORDER-LEFT: #666666 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #666666 1px solid" bgColor=#e0e0e0>Srila Prabhupada – “Those who are elevated beyond the planetary system to the Brahman effulgence, they are also prone to fall down as much as a living entity from the higher planetary system.Letter to Revatinandana dasa Los Angeles 13 June, 1970 70-06-13 Srila Prabhupada – “As such those who are thinking that they are liberated by being situated in Brahman effulgence are described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam as impurely intelligent. In other words, they are actually not liberated, and because they are not actually liberated they again come down to the material world”Letter to Revatinandana dasa Los Angeles 13 June, 1970</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>