Sarva gattah

<TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Theist prabhu it is true what you say but the inherent inquisitive nature in all of us to understand the origins of the universe will not go away for many. Many of my ISKCON Godbrothers and Sisters will not get involved in this argument because they already accept what Srila Prabhupada has said. And that is we all have a svarupa body already. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> I know Hridayananda Swami preaches this point very clearly and tells us to avoid arguing with those other Gaudiya Vaishnava camps who persistently and absurdly insist we originate from the Brahmajyoti. <o:p></o:p> I believe Vigraha and many others have had some partial realization of what Srila Prabhupada has said about our eternal Svarupa form in Vaikuntha. India is full of gurus and arrogant caste brahmanas who mostly read only speculated translations of previous Acharayas and Vedic texts with their dubious English version of interpretation of those Sanskrit, Bengali and Hindi texts that has been subtly influence by Impersonalism over hundreds and hundreds of years, undermining Krishnas Personal creation of marginal persons, claiming they believe and can prove their nonsense impersonal tatastha origins of the jiva-consciousness. Any guru, sannyasi or general devotee in Navadwip or anywhere else around the world who preaches this Impersonal origin nonsense is misleading people away from the personal genuine teachings of Vaisnavism as taught by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> We must understand what personalism is; we must understand that Krishna’s creation is personal which means we are all persons with eternal svarupa bodies as well without beginning or end.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Just as Krishna is a perpetual bodily Vigraha form, so are all His marginal emanations however, Krishna is always master, and his marginal nitya-siddha svarupa devotees are always His eternal servants. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada “Of course everyone has a particular relationship with the Lord, and that relationship is evoked by the perfection of devotional service. But in the present status of our life, not only have we forgotten the Supreme Lord, but we have forgotten our eternal relationship with the Lord”. Gita introduction<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – “Every living being, out of the many, many billions and trillions of living beings, has a particular relationship with the Lord eternally. That is called svarupa”. Gita introduction Srila Prabhupada – “By the process of devotional service, one can revive that svarupa, and that stage is called svarupa-siddhi -- perfection of one's constitutional position. So Arjuna was a devotee, and he was in touch with the Supreme Lord in friendship”. Gita introduction<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Many Gaudiya Vaisnavas gurus have all become polluted with Impersonalism that deny the unfathomable greatness of Lord Krishna’s inconceivable PERSONAL creation by foolishly and hysterically claiming the soul originates from the Impersonal Brahmajyoti.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> I don't think you have to be a pure devotee to know how the material feature of creation works, Hiranyakasipunew exactly how the three worlds in material creation worked, he even new there was a Vaikuntha but he wanted to conquer that eternal place. That’s where his knowledge lacked proper Krishna Consciousness, he was Krishna conscious, but he hated Krishna, however, as we all knowHiranyakasipuwas only a bodily form or post within the material creation (mahat-tattva) The inhabitant of that bodyor postfell down from his eternal body in Vaikuntha and was provided that vessel by Maha-Vishnu. As we all know, Maha-Vishnu provides all of the material (ethereal and biological) for all those who consciously leave their svarupa body on Vaikuntha as Jaya and Vijaya did. <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada Speaks about his Gaudiya Math Godbrothers <o:p></o:p> The following reasons is why many Iskcon devotees will not bother arguing with other ‘Gaudiya camps”. This is not meant to be used in an arrogant dictatorial way as some have done so in the past, it is meant to show how Srila Prabhupada never approved that his followers read the books of other Gaudiya God brothers or God newphews. While they sat back in their uneventful temples in Navadwip Srila Prabhupada took Krishna and Lord Caitanya to every town and Village around the world. <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada's -"Regarding the Gaudiya Math books being circulated there, who is distributing? Who is sending these books? The Gaudiya Math does not sell our books, why we should sell their books. <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "Who has introduced these books? Let me know. These books should not at all be circulated in our Society. Bhakti Vilas Tirtha is very much antagonistic to our society and he has no clear conception of devotional service. He is contaminated". <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - Anyway, who has introduced these books? You say that you would read only one book if that was all that I had written, so you teach others to do like that. You have very good determination." Srila Prabhupada's Letter to Sukadeva 11/14/73: <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada -"Disturbance is caused by ignorance; where there is no ignorance, there is no disturbance. The four Sannyasis may bark, but still the caravan will pass. There is every evidence that they are influenced by some of my fourth-class Godbrothers." Letter to Hayagriva 9/14/70: <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada -"Regarding the Gaudiya Math, our position has nothing to do with them. They cannot do anything and if somebody does something, they will be envious. That is the nature of third class men." Letter to Yamuna 11/18/70: <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "Do not be depressed. All along my godbrothers gave me only depression, repression, compression--but I continued strong in my duty. So never mind there is some discouragement, continue with your work in full enthusiastic Krishna Consciousness attitude of service." Letter to Gurudasa 8/29/72: <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "Our big, big godbrothers in India, they could not preach Lord Gauranga's name all over India. They are simply inclined to criticize me, that my students call me Prabhupada. They could not do anything practical and tangible. They are satisfied with a temple and a few disciples begging alms for the maintenance of the temple”. Letter to Niranjana 5/21/73: <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "So, we can understand that they have all become sudras. How can they have interest in Bhagavad-gita. Although some of them have been born in brahmana families, but by quality are all sudras." Letter to Niranjana 5/21/73: <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "In the latter days of my Guru Maharaja he was very disgusted. Actually, he left this world earlier, otherwise he would have continued to live for more years. Still he requested his disciples to form a strong Governing body for preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – “Actually amongst my Godbrothers no one is qualified to become acarya. So it is better not to mix with my Godbrothers very intimately because instead of inspiring our students and disciples they may sometimes pollute them. ." Letter to Rupanuga 4/28/74 <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “They, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja, made this attempt previously but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them." Letter to Rupanuga 4/28/74: <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – “He never recommended anyone to be acarya of the Gaudiya Math. But Sridhara Maharaja is responsible for disobeying this order of Guru Maharaja, and he and others who are already dead unnecessarily thought that there must be one acarya” <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "You should not write anything to Madhava Maharaja's camp. You may have talked many things with Mangala Niloy but why write him in black and white. The letter must not be sent. Their policy has been all along to suppress me and take credit for himself. Their proposal for cooperation is a myth. They haven't done anything that is cooperative. You know in a recent article they managed to write in such a way that Madhava is doing the world movement and we are his subordinates. From the beginning that has been their mentality. ." Letter to Acutananda 6/8/74: <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “So there is no possibility of cooperation with them. Rather you should avoid strictly meeting with them. They are not after preaching but material gain and reputation and adoration. Otherwise why they are non cooperating with me? So no cooperation is possible. Do not think or indulge in loose talks. Be careful always. Letter to Acutananda 6/8/74: Srila Prabhupada - "Let us do the duty of propagation sincerely and seriously on our own principles. Krsna and Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura are our only hope and they and helping us. If anything thing has to be done it is to be talked on the higher level between Madhava Maharaja and myself, but I know his mentality is different and there is no possibility of cooperation." Letter to Acutananda 6/8/74: <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "In India some of the important members they have collected huge amounts in the name of the Society and spent it luxuriously. I wanted you all my experienced disciples should manage the whole institution very cleverly without any personal ambition like ordinary materialistic men. The Gaudiya Math institution has become smashed, at least stopped its program of preaching work on account of personal ambitions." Letter to Karandhara 10/8/74 <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "Krsna sakti vina nahe krsna name pracara: 'Without Krsna's special power of attorney, nobody can preach His name.' Caitanya-caritamrta. So these rascals, Godbrothers, they are envious that... What he has written? Bon Maharaja. Just see what kind of men they are”. <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “They are not even ordinary human being. They are envious of me, and what to speak of make a judgment by estimation? They're envious. Enviousness is immediately disqualification of Vaisnava, immediate. He is not a human being. Paramo nirmatsaranam satam. This Bhagavatam is meant for the person who is completely not envious. That is the beginning”. <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “Why a Vaisnava should be envious for anyone? Everyone is working according to his karma. He is trying to rectify him, that 'Be out of these clutches of karma. You come to bhakti.' Why he should be envious? Vancha-kalpatarubhyas ca krpa-sindhubhya eva ca. A Vaisnava should be like ocean of mercy to reclaim the fallen souls. That is Vaisnava's qualification”. .- Room Conversation with a Reporter in Johannesburg 10/16/75: <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “So Vaisnava should be envious? Just see. So these persons, they are not even human being, what to speak of Vaisnava. Vaisnava cannot be envious. Vaisnava should be: 'Oh, my Lord's name is being broadcast. He is getting, giving so much service to make Krsna known.' That man has appreciated, that 'All these spiritual leaders, they are deriding. You are the only man... You are... It enthuses us, give us more encouragement, that you are keeping intact, love of Krsna.' This is an appreciation”. .- Room Conversation with a Reporter in Johannesburg 10/16/75: <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “Why he should be envious? He should be, rather, very much enthused that 'This single man is keeping Krsna all over the world.' And everyone is deriding. Even Gandhi is killing Krsna. Dr. Radhakrishnan is killing. Their only business is to kill Krsna. He is also doing that, our, this Bon Maharaja. He never speaks of Krsna. His rascal, that Institute of Indian Philosophy, nobody goes to [pass] urine there”. .- Room Conversation with a Reporter in Johannesburg 10/16/75: <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “We see practically. And our temple is always filled up, five hundred men. And he is trying for the last forty years. He is simply planning: 'This will be playground. This will be this ground. This will be this ground.' And it is becoming jungle. Still, he is so envious, black snake”. .- Room Conversation with a Reporter in Johannesburg 10/16/75: <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “So one circular letter should be issued to all our center, that 'Any Bon Maharaja or anyone, his representative, should not be received.' They are envious. Yes. Quoting that. We have got several complaints like that. Satsvarupa also complained. Sometimes our order was cancelled by Bon Maharaja's propaganda." .- Room Conversation with a Reporter in Johannesburg 10/16/75: <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "So I have now issued orders that all my disciples should avoid all of my godbrothers. They should not have any dealings with them nor even correspondence, nor should they give them any of my books or should they purchase any of their books, neither should you visit any of their temples. Please avoid them." Letter to Visvakarma, 11/9/75: <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – "There are similarly men also. Unnecessarily they are envious, offensive, unnecessary. They cannot tolerate others' opulence. Just like our Godbrothers. They are envious. What I have done to them? I am doing my business, trying to serve my Guru Maharaja. But they are envious because I am so opulent. I have got so much fame, so many influences, so much influence all over the world. Everyone is praising me about... That is ignorance. “Room Conversation in Bombay 1/8/77: <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - And this is regrettable because they are posing themselves as Vaisnava. Ordinary man can do that, but they are dressing like Vaisnava, and they are so envious. That Tirtha Maharaja, unnecessarily he was envious, whole life fighting, fighting, fighting in the court and died. Simply planning." Room Conversation in Bombay 1/8/77: <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "If somebody thinks, 'Oh, here is a snake with jewel. Let me embrace him, no, no, no, it is very ferocious. Even it is jewel there, it is ferocious. Similarly, these people are envious. Although they have become so-called Vaisnava, they are ferocious. <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - They (godbrothers and god newphews) have not acquired the qualification of Vaisnava. Simply vesopidin(?), by dress." Room Conversation in Vrindaban 5/24/77 Srila Prabhupada's - "[Krishna consciousness] is simple for the simple, but it is very hard for the crooked." (Initiation lecture by - Boston 12/26/69) Srila Prabhupada - “FORMERLY WE WERE WITH KRSNA IN HIS LILA OR SPORT”.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p>

<TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> This state of nitya-baddha dreaming consciousness is then transferred to within the mahat-tattva cloud (material universe) and into the dreams of Maha-Vishnu, which are real but temporary and then housed in ethereal and eventually biological bodies provided by Maha-Vishnu. These bodily suits enables the visiting jiva-sakti, jiva-tattva, jiva-prakriti, jiva-bhutah and about 170 other jiva consciousness conditions to enter the enclosed atmosphere of the mahat-tattva or material creation, just as a space suit allows one to enter the realms of outerspace out of our earthly atmoshere.

The dreaming Maha-Vishnu is the destination of the nitya-siddhas' secondary nitya-baddha consciousness activated when one chooses to forget Krishna Srila Prabhupada – "For example: A man is dreaming of a tiger but actually there is no contact with tiger because it’s only a dream. Similarly we are not fallen. We cannot be fallen. But we have created a situation that we are, become... Try to understand, understand. It is very important point". Srila Prabhupada makes the point – "We have simply created a situation, well, we personally have not created a situation, Krishna has given us a situation because we wanted to imitate Krishna, and therefore Lord Krishna has given us an opportunity: ‘All right, try and imitate me. You want to be an imitation king on the stage of the mahat-tattva, feel free to act like that. Play that part. Do like that. People will applaud. ‘Oh, a very nice king, very nice’, you can become the centre of adoration, everyone can worship you" So in this situation our contact with material energy (mahat-tattva) is just like dream, a secondary conscious conditioned (NITYA-BADDHA) phenomenon, or dream given facility by the dreaming Maha-Vishnu. Srila Prabhupada continues – "Actually we are not fallen, we are only dreaming. Therefore, because we are not fallen, at any moment we can revive our Krishna consciousness. As soon as we understand that "I have nothing to do with the mahat-tattva — I am simply Krishna’s servant, eternal servant, that’s all," immediately he becomes liberated. Exactly like that: as soon as you... Sometimes we do that".

The dreaming Maha-Vishnu is the destination of the nitya-siddhas' secondary nitya-baddha consciousness activated when one chooses to forget Krishna PART TWO Srila Prabhupada- "He is dreaming there is a tiger and he is creating a situation, fearful situation". Srila Prabhupada – "Actually there is no cause of fear. There is no tiger. Srila Prabhupada- "That situation is created by the dreaming. Actually there is no tiger. Similarly, we have created this material world and activity". Srila Prabhupada "… People are running, "Oh..., sonh, sonh, sonh, sonh, sonh, sonh, sonh," identifying that "Oh, I am the manager. I am the factory owner. I am this, I am that. We have got his politics. We have to defeat such competitors." Srila Prabhupada "All these things are created exactly like that, svapna drastur ivanjasa, just like a man is creating his particular situation simply by dream". That’s all". Srila Prabhupada makes it very clear. So the answer is, when somebody asks you the question of our origins, ‘When have we all become in contact with this material nature?" Tell them one has not become in contact (authentic perpetual vigraha body) with the mahat-tattva. He is thinking by the influence of the external energy, but actually he is dreaming, Srila Prabhupada – "For example: A man is dreaming of a tiger but actually there is no contact with tiger because it’s only a dream. Similarly we are not fallen. We cannot be fallen. But we have created a situation that we are, become... Try to understand, understand. It is very important point". Srila Prabhupada makes the point – "We have simply created a situation, well, we personally have not created a situation, Krishna has given us a situation because we wanted to imitate Krishna, and therefore Lord Krishna has given us an opportunity: ‘All right, try and imitate me. You want to be an imitation king on the stage of the mahat-tattva, feel free to act like that. Play that part. Do like that. People will applaud. ‘Oh, a very nice king, very nice’, you can become the centre of adoration, everyone can worship you" So in this situation our contact with material energy (mahat-tattva) is just like dream, a secondary conscious conditioned phenomenon, or dream given facility by the dreaming Maha-Vishnu. Srila Prabhupada continues – "Actually we are not fallen, we are only dreaming. Therefore, because we are not fallen, at any moment we can revive our Krishna consciousness. As soon as we understand that "I have nothing to do with the mahat-tattva — I am simply Krishna’s servant, eternal servant, that’s all," immediately he becomes liberated. Exactly like that: as soon as you... Sometimes we do that". Srila Prabhupada - "When the fearful dreaming becomes too much intolerable, we break the dream. We break the dream when it becomes intolerable. Similarly, we can break this material (mahat-tattva) connection at any moment as soon as we come to the point of Krishna conscious". Srila Prabhupada -"Oh, Krishna is my eternal master. I am His servant." That’s all. This is the way. Actually we are not fallen. There cannot be any fallen". Srila Prabhupada - "Actually there is no tiger; it is dreaming, it is all a dream. Similarly, our fallen condition is also dreaming" Srila Prabhupada - Regarding your questions concerning the spirit soul’s falling into Maya’s influence, it is not that those who have developed a passive relationship with Krishna are more likely to fall into nescient activities". Srila Prabhupada – "Usually, anyone who has developed his relationship with Krishna does not fall down in any circumstances, but because the independence is always there, the soul may fall down from any position or any relationship by misusing his independence" Srila Prabhupada - "But his relationship with Krishna is never lost. Simply it is forgotten by the influence of Maya, so it may be regained or revived by the process of hearing the Holy Name . . ." Letter to Jagadish, 4.25.70 In a uncomplicated way of trying to understand this, all of us dream when we sleep, the dreams we have in our biological body or vessel appear real and while immersed in that dream state one forgets their biological body they are dreaming from. In a similar way, the non-Krishna Conscious thoughts, convictions or ‘dreams’ manifest a separate dreaming version of the self (that is real but temporary) and while in that dreaming state or secondary consciousness (jiva-bhutah, jiva-sakti, jiva-tattva and about 170 other jiva definitions), we forget our genuine Krishna conscious bodily form. Keep in mind, on the absolute level, unlike the mundane biological level; ones thoughts or dreams are as real as their nitya-siddha body, with a major difference, they are extended via ones sub-conscious secondary nitya-baddha self and expressed through counterfeit bodily vessels within the mahat-tattva provided by Maha-Vishnu. All ethereal and biological vessels as well as their material surroundings are provided by Maha-Vishnu for the purpose of allowing one in their secondary conscious state (conditional life) to live out those dreams, thoughts and desires. Such non-Krishna Conscious thoughts and desires cannot exist within the same devotional space that all their perpetual Krishna Conscious bodies exist in (namely Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha). In this way, it is ones ‘non Krishna Conscious desires’ (jiva-sakti) cause one to consciously enter the mahat-tattva cloud. Srila Prabhupada is the personification of shastra because he is in a line of disciplic succession from Krishna Himself, everything he says and writes IS shastra, infact it is more important that all previous writings because -Srila Srila Prabhupada IS the present authority on Vaishnavism and his world wide preaching success preaches for itself. The story of the humble simple minded cobbler and the arrogant puffed up jnani, who thought that his wealth of Sanskrit slokas and Vedic knowledge of rituals, that he believed would lead to his re-awaking in Goloka, warns us that only ones unconditional selfless attachment, faith, DEVOTIONAL SERVICE, CHANTING HARE KRISHNA and total dependence ON the Spiritual Master and Krishna is the only way to realize our authentic real Krishna Conscious bodily self in Goloka-Vrndavana and wake up from this material dream. Why is this so difficult for many to understand? Simple answer, they think they are their material bodies and lack the devotion and the attachment to Srila Prabhupada and chanting of Hare Krishna. I humbly suggest the above is should read again and again to understand and defeat the Impersonalists their nonsense Mayavardi brahmajyoti origins of the soul. - HARE KRISHNA All glories to Srlia Prabhupada . Lets all chant Hare Krishna and one day all of us will all wake up from our mundane dreams and nightmares in this material world of thinking e are these material bodies (ethereal and biological vessels). Only then will we see the real truth and transfer our conscious awareness of our existence back as our geniun Krishna Conscious svarupa body in Goloka or Vrndavan, instead of being caught up life after life in the dreams of the material world and the impersonal atheistic jiva-tatastha consciousness escape, or the Impersonal Brahmajyoti relief from suffering within the material world. Our eternal svarupa bodily self is who we all really individually are, and always have been eternally whether you believe it or not.

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Why is this so difficult for so many to understand the truth of what is really going on in the universal creation? We must understand what personalism is, we must understand that <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 /><st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>’s creation is personal which means we are all persons as well. <?xml:namespace prefix = o /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Just as Krishna is a perpetual bodily person, so are all His marginal emanations however, <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> is always master and his marginal nitya-siddha devotees are always His servant. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Prabhupada – “Arjuna was in a relationship with the Lord as friend. Of course there is a gulf of difference between this friendship and the friendship found in the material world. This is transcendental friendship, which cannot be had by everyone. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Prabhupada - “Of course everyone has a particular relationship with the Lord, and that relationship is evoked by the perfection of devotional service. But in the present status of our life, not only have we forgotten the Supreme Lord, but we have forgotten our eternal relationship with the Lord”. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Prabhupada – “Every living being, out of the many, many billions and trillions of living beings, has a particular relationship with the Lord eternally. That is called svarupa”. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Prabhupada – “By the process of devotional service, one can revive that svarupa, and that stage is called svarupa-siddhi -- perfection of one's constitutional position. So Arjuna was a devotee, and he was in touch with the Supreme Lord in friendship”.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Many Gaudiya Vaisnavas have all become polluted with Impersonalism that deny the unfathomable greatness of Lord Krishna’s inconceivable PERSONAL creation by foolishly and hysterically claiming the soul originates from the Impersonal Brahmajyoti. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> We are all persons first as a perpetual nitya-siddha body (marginal living entity) with an eternal svarupa that always exists even if we cannot remember that <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> Conscious bodily form due to our nitya-jiva-baddha non-Krishna conscious dreams. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> All impersonalism (tatastha-consciousness) has its beginning in the creation originally due to ones nitya-baddha condition of marginal fallen consciousness which is the lower self of ones perpetual authentic nitya-siddha self as already explained. <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>’s creation has always been which means He is always an eternal bodily person and so are all His marginal effulgent emanations of subsidiary beings. This understanding is the basic difference between a Personalist and an Impersonalist <o:p></o:p> This understanding is the basic difference between a personalist and an Impersonalist although there are far worse impersonal conditions were one denies <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> altogether and argue that from the Brahmajyoti is where we originally came from, and to the Brahmajyoti we will return. What follows and I suggest the below should be read again and again to understand the true facts of creation and defeat the Impersonalists who masquerade as Gaudiya Vaishnava's with their nonsense Mayavardi brahmajyoti origins of the soul. <o:p></o:p> HARE <st1:place w:st="on">KRISHNA</st1:place> All glories to Srila Prabhupada the Jagat Guru .<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The Material Dream that is real but temporary and exists in one corner of the Spiritual Sky and is called the mahat-tattva <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> No-one has ever and can never, ever refute the fact that our existence in the material creation is nothing other than a dreaming condition emanating from ones rasa body in Goloka when one chooses to forget <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> as Srila Prabhupada has clearly told his disciples<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada- “Because he falls down from Brahma-sayujya (tatastha-s’akti, Impersonal Brahmajyoti or Brahman consciousness condition of the life force), he thinks that may be his origin, but he does not remember that long, long, long, long ago before that even, he was with Krishna.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada- “No one falls from Vaikuntha.” We really do not fall. We think we are fallen. But this just means we have forgotten our original situation"<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupadais very clear. “Originally we have a direct personal relationship with <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> in the spiritual world. But when we want to take <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>’s position,we therefore put ourselves into a dreaming state due to our non-Krishna conscious choices.” <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada– “We never had any occasion when we were separated from Krsna. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada– “Just like one man is dreaming and he forgets himself. In dream he creates himself in different forms: now I am the King discussing like that”. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “This creation of himself is as seer and subject matter or seen, two things. But as soon as the dream is over, the "seen" disappears. But the seer remains. Now he is in his original position”. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – “Our separation from Krsna is like that. We dream this body and so many relationships with other things. First the attachment comes to enjoy sense gratification. Even with Krsna desire for sense gratification is there”. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – “There is a dormant attitude for forgetting Krsna and creating an atmosphere for enjoying independently. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – “Just like at the edge of the beach, sometimes the water covers, sometimes there is dry sand, coming and going. Our position is like that, sometimes covered, sometimes free, just like at the edge of the tide”. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada"As soon as we forget, immediately the illusion is there. Just like as soon as we sleep, dream is there.” <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – “We cannot say therefore that we are not with Krsna. As soon as we try to become Lord, immediately we are covered by Maya. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada “FORMERLY WE WERE WITH KRSNA IN HIS LILA OR SPORT”.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada-"But this covering of Maya may be of very, very, very, very long duration; therefore many creations are coming and going. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – “Due to this long period of time it is sometimes said that we are ever-conditioned. But his long duration of time becomes very insignificant when one actually comes to Krsna consciousness". <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada "Just like in a dreamwe are thinking very long time, but as soon as we awaken we look at our watch and see it has been a moment only". <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada "Just like with Krsna's friends, they were kept asleep for one year by Brahma, but when they woke up and Krsna returned before them, they considered that only a moment had passed”. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – “So this dreaming conditionis called non-liberated life, and this is just like a dream. Although in this material calculation it is a long, long period, as soon as we come to Krsna consciousness then this period is considered as a second". <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada"He may come down to become a germ, but then he may rise up to Krsna consciousness and go back to home, back to Godhead. This is the position”. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "So when I say Yes, there is eternal lila with Krsna, that means on the evidence of Jaya-Vijaya. Unless one develops full devotional service to Krsna, he can go only up to Brahmasayujya but falls down. But after millions and millions of years of keeping oneself away from the lila of the Lord, when one comes BACK to Krsna consciousness, this period becomes insignificant, just like dreaming.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Bhativinode Thakur“However, because of contact with matter, the imprisoned jiva-tattva or jiva-s’akti extended consciousness looses the memory of their original spiritual rasa bodily form in Vaikuntha. . . Material rasas are perverted reflections of the nitya-siddha original spiritual rasas.” Prema-pradipa, p. 83<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Ramanuja Acharya also vigorously argues that the spiritual perpetual rasa body of the soul has always existed and that upon liberation, one once again attains that which has always existed. (Vs. 4.4.1),<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada- “We wanted to give up <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>.” There is no mention of originally being in the Brahmajyoti, tatastha or the Viraja River in the mahat-tattva outside the dreams of Maha-Vishnu, or being always conditioned, or being in anything less than a fully developed perpetually vigraha devotee in a relationship with Krishna that is eternally there in Goloka- Vrndavana/Vaikuntha, even if we presently are unaware of this fact due to our secondary dreaming consciousness (conditioned soul or jiva consciousness) restricted by the division of time and space within the mahat-tattva cloud.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada-“Originally we have a direct personal relationship with <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> in the spiritual world. But when we want to take <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>’s position, we therefore put ourselves into a dreaming statedue to our non-Krishna conscious choices”. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> In this dreaming state, after we enter the mahat-tattva dream of Maha-Vishnu, we forget our actual positionand thus are free to act out our desire in our attempts to become the supreme enjoyer. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> These mistaken self centered choices or non Krishna conscious dreams, are characterized as being “fallen” from our position in the spiritual world, but Srila Prabhupada explains that in Vaikuntha reality, beyond mundane time and space that governs the mahat-tattva, we are not fallen (here Srila Prabhupada is refering to our perpetual svarupa body), <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> We are simply in a non-Krishna Conscious dreaming condition that cannot stay in Goloka. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada -"Because the living being can appear either in matter or in spirit, the jiva is called the marginal potency" CC Adi 5.41 pp. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada explains that ‘marginal’ means the tendency of the living being to reject the sanction of the Lord and act independently within the material creation or mahat-tattva”. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Clearly explained here by Srila Prabhupada is how the non-Krishna conscious dreams that are sub-consciously separate from ones nitya-siddha-svarupa rasa body. are then transferred to the ‘creation for the dreaming’ known as the mahat-tattva.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> This seconday (conditioned) extension of the nitya-siddha is known as the nitya-baddha condition of restricted awareness, manifesting in a dreaming condition of non-Krishna conscious thoughts and desires that is called the jiva-s’akti, jiva-tattva, jiva-bhutah and about 170 other jiva definitions depending on ones secondary conscious dreaming condition. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada:“Svapna-drastur ivanjasa. The very exact “Svapna-drastur ivanjasa. The very exact example is given, svapna-drastuh. Just like a man seeing dream: “Oh, there is tiger, tiger, tiger, tiger! Save me!” <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada- “He is crying. Another man is, “Where is tiger? Why you are crying? Where is tiger?” But he, in the dream, he is actually feeling: “The tiger has attacked me.” Therefore this example is given, na ghatetartha-sambandhah. There cannot be any meaning of this relationship except like a man dreaming and he is creating a situation”. <o:p></o:p>

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The Final Absolute Proof: The Jiva Consciousness Did Fall From There Svarupa Body in Goloka The wonderful Srimad Bhagavatam or Bhagavat-purana tell us that the Kingdom</ST1> of<ST1> Krishna is an eternal active place of boundless pastimes where nothing perishes and so called time is in the eternal present where their is no past or future. Everything in Krishna’s Abode is always eternally there because of the perpetual and imperishable nature of His Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha Spiritual Sky or Abode. This means ones eternal, perpetual, unchanging, continious, everlasting, devotional ceasless, never ending, long lasting, continual jivatma vigraha is ALWAYS there and can NEVER leave because of the eternal nature of Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha. Perpetual Vaikuntha means nothing there can decay perish or disappear, therefore everyones never ending bodily form or svarupa body is already there and never leaves Goloka or Vaikuntha.. <O:P<O:P As already mentioned and must be constantly emphasised, this means all of us have an eternal form and relationship that is always with Krishna in His everlasting Abode that is forever there and has always been there, even though from time to time, we are consciously unaware of this unending reality due to our forgetfulness and fantasies of material grandur. Such desires DREAMS and thoughts that create our mirage like insignificant secondary consciousness (real but temporary) that transmits ‘the thoughts one wants created’ to the material universe in the jiva-bhutah condition consciousness known as the nitya-baddha proviso of existence within the mahat-tattva (material universe). <O:PIn a uncomplicated way of trying to understand this, all of us dream when we sleep, the dreams we have in our biological body or vessel appear real and while immersed in that dream state one forgets their biological body they are dreaming from. In a similar way, the non-Krishna Conscious thoughts, convictions or ‘dreams’ manifest a separate dreaming version of the self (that is real but temporary) and while in that dreaming state or secondary consciousness (jiva-bhutah), we forget our genuine Krishna conscious bodily form. <O:PKeep in mind, on the absolute level, unlike the mundane biological level; ones thoughts or dreams are as real as their atma-jiva-vigraha body, with a major difference, they are expressed through counterfeit bodily vessels within the mahat-tattva. All ethereal and biological vessels as well as their material surroundings are provided by Maha-Vishnu for the purpose of allowing one in their secondary conscious state to live out those dreams, thoughts and desires. Such non-Krishna Conscious thoughts and desires cannot exist within the same devotional space that all their perpetual Krishna Conscious bodies exist in (namely Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha). In this way, it is ones Krishna Conscious desires’ cause one to consciously enter the mahat-tattva cloud. All self-centered desires, dreams or thoughts expel themselves from Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha perpetual portion of the Spiritual Sky due to the selfish independent desires (choices) to no longer want to be with Krishna. For ones conscious awareness to remain in the Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha abode, one has to be Krishna Conscious. In this way ones non-Krishna Conscious thoughts, dreams and desires cannot remain there and are transferred as a secondary conscious state (jiva-bhutah) to a far distant transient place in the Spiritual Sky set aside for such temporary thoughts, dreams or desires. Those desires, thoughts and dreams, represented by the jiva-bhutah consciousness, are provided ethereal and biological containers provided by Maha-Vishnu to chase their dream, in some cases for an almost eternity. This place of ‘the dreaming’ is called the PERISHABLE mahat-tattva that is a real phenomenon in the Spiritual Sky yet temporary. When one is awake in their biological body, or when one is dreaming in that body, it is still the same ‘self’ existing on two completely different levels of consciousness at the same time, one in the biological body, the other as dreamed up fantasies the biological body is dreaming. <O:PSuch dreams appear real while ones biological body is sleeping, so real, one completely forgets the biological body one is dreaming from. <O:P In a comparable way to undderstand this, when ones dreams or thoughts are not <ST1:PKrishna conscious, they create a secondary conscious state called the jiva-bhutah conscious condition or "conditioned state" brought about by ones Krishna Conscious desires and DREAMS. This state of consciousness is then transferred to within the mahat-tattva cloud (material universe), which is real but temporary and house in ethereal and eventually biological bodies provided by Maha-Vishnu that enables the visiting jiva-sakti consciousness in the eclosed atmosphere of the mahat-tattva or material creation. In this way, the thoughts of ones lower self, unlike the illusionary unreal dreams one has while their biological body is sleeping, are actually a real reality but subject to decay. Remember, on this level of consciousness, your thoughts are your actions and stays that way while even contained in ethereal vessels within the material heavenly planets. Only in the middle planets of biological vessels are ones thoughts and dreams suppressed. <O:POnes sleeping biological body dreaming, is only an analogy and it does not mean the biological understanding of dreaming is the way we dream ourselves out of the Vaikuntha’s. <O:PThere is a difference, ones dreams within Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha are non different from reality or actions. In other words, if one has non-Krishna Conscious thoughts, dreams or desires, they cannot experience those thoughts, desires or dreams in the devotionally uninterrupted <ST1>Kingdom of </ST1><ST1>Krishna. Krsnaloka or Vishnuloka <O:P To experience such self-centered dreams and desires, the secondary consciousness (jiva-bhutah, jiva-tattva, jiva-sakti etc, etc) is extended or projected to the mahat-tattva or material universe. In this way, ones secondary consciousness is transferred to within the confines and restrictions (being contained in ethereal and biological vessels) of mahat-tattva when one is unaware of their real original identity and form (The atma-vigraha or nitya-siddha-svarupa Krishna Conscious body). As already explained, this means all of us (all marginal living entities) have an eternal shape, form, body and connection that is forever with Krishna in His everlasting Abode which is infinitely eternal even though from moment to moment, we may choose to consciously deny of this everlasting reality due to our desire to experience existence separate from Krishna. Only then, after that choice is made, does forgetfulness enter the equation where ones fantasies of independent grandeur away from beautiful Krishna is created by our dreaming secondary consciousness that transmits one to the material universe (mahat-tattva) or nitya-baddha forgetful condition of existence as the jiva-bhutah conscious condition that originates from our perprtual bodily form in Goloka-Vrndavana.

The Final Absolute Proof: The Jiva Consciousness Did Fall From There Svarupa Body in Goloka The wonderful Srimad Bhagavatam or Bhagavat-purana tell us that the Kingdom</ST1> of<ST1> Krishna is an eternal active place of boundless pastimes where nothing perishes and so called time is in the eternal present where their is no past or future. Everything in Krishna’s Abode is always eternally there because of the perpetual and imperishable nature of His Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha Spiritual Sky or Abode. This means ones eternal, perpetual, unchanging, continious, everlasting, devotional ceasless, never ending, long lasting, continual jivatma vigraha is ALWAYS there and can NEVER leave because of the eternal nature of Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha. Perpetual Vaikuntha means nothing there can decay perish or disappear, therefore everyones never ending bodily form or svarupa body is already there and never leaves Goloka or Vaikuntha.. <O:P<O:P As already mentioned and must be constantly emphasised, this means all of us have an eternal form and relationship that is always with Krishna in His everlasting Abode that is forever there and has always been there, even though from time to time, we are consciously unaware of this unending reality due to our forgetfulness and fantasies of material grandur. Such desires DREAMS and thoughts that create our mirage like insignificant secondary consciousness (real but temporary) that transmits ‘the thoughts one wants created’ to the material universe in the jiva-bhutah condition consciousness known as the nitya-baddha proviso of existence within the mahat-tattva (material universe). <O:PIn a uncomplicated way of trying to understand this, all of us dream when we sleep, the dreams we have in our biological body or vessel appear real and while immersed in that dream state one forgets their biological body they are dreaming from. In a similar way, the non-Krishna Conscious thoughts, convictions or ‘dreams’ manifest a separate dreaming version of the self (that is real but temporary) and while in that dreaming state or secondary consciousness (jiva-bhutah), we forget our genuine Krishna conscious bodily form. <O:PKeep in mind, on the absolute level, unlike the mundane biological level; ones thoughts or dreams are as real as their atma-jiva-vigraha body, with a major difference, they are expressed through counterfeit bodily vessels within the mahat-tattva. All ethereal and biological vessels as well as their material surroundings are provided by Maha-Vishnu for the purpose of allowing one in their secondary conscious state to live out those dreams, thoughts and desires. Such non-Krishna Conscious thoughts and desires cannot exist within the same devotional space that all their perpetual Krishna Conscious bodies exist in (namely Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha). In this way, it is ones Krishna Conscious desires’ cause one to consciously enter the mahat-tattva cloud. All self-centered desires, dreams or thoughts expel themselves from Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha perpetual portion of the Spiritual Sky due to the selfish independent desires (choices) to no longer want to be with Krishna. For ones conscious awareness to remain in the Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha abode, one has to be Krishna Conscious. In this way ones non-Krishna Conscious thoughts, dreams and desires cannot remain there and are transferred as a secondary conscious 'conditioned' state (jiva-bhutah) to a far distant transient place in the Spiritual Sky set aside for such temporary thoughts, dreams or desires. Those desires, thoughts and dreams, represented by the jiva-bhutah consciousness, are provided ethereal and biological containers provided by Maha-Vishnu to chase their dream, in some cases for an almost eternity. This place of ‘the dreaming’ is called the PERISHABLE mahat-tattva that is a real phenomenon in the Spiritual Sky yet temporary. When one is awake in their biological body, or when one is dreaming in that body, it is still the same ‘self’ existing on two completely different levels of consciousness at the same time, one in the biological body, the other as dreamed up fantasies the biological body is dreaming. <O:PSuch dreams appear real while ones biological body is sleeping, so real, one completely forgets the biological body one is dreaming from. <O:P In a comparable way to understand this, when ones dreams or thoughts are not <ST1:PKrishna conscious, they create a secondary conscious state called the jiva-bhutah conscious condition or "conditioned state" brought about by ones NON-Krishna Conscious desires and DREAMS. This state of consciousness is then transferred to within the mahat-tattva cloud (material universe), which is real but temporary and housed in ethereal and eventually biological bodies provided by Maha-Vishnu. These bodily suits enables the visiting jiva-sakti consciousness to enter the enclosed atmosphere of the mahat-tattva or material creation, just as a space suit allows one to enter the realms of outerspace out of our earthly atmoshere. In this way, the thoughts of ones lower self, unlike the illusionary unreal dreams one has while their biological body is sleeping, are actually a real reality but subject to fading. Remember, on this level of consciousness, your thoughts are your actions and stays that way while even contained in ethereal vessels within the material heavenly planets. Only in the middle planets of biological vessels are ones thoughts and dreams suppressed. <O:POnes sleeping biological body dreaming, is only an analogy and it does not mean the biological understanding of dreaming is the way we dream ourselves out of the Vaikuntha’s. <O:PThere is a difference, ones dreams within Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha are non different from reality or actions. In other words, if one has non-Krishna Conscious thoughts, dreams or desires, they cannot experience those thoughts, desires or dreams in the devotionally uninterrupted <ST1>Kingdom of </ST1><ST1>Krishna. Krsnaloka or Vishnuloka <O:P To experience such self-centered dreams and desires, the secondary consciousness (jiva-bhutah, jiva-tattva, jiva-sakti etc, etc) is extended or projected to the mahat-tattva or material universe. In this way, ones secondary consciousness is transferred to within the confines and restrictions (being contained in ethereal and biological vessels) of mahat-tattva when one is unaware of their real original identity and form (The atma-vigraha or nitya-siddha-svarupa Krishna Conscious body). As already explained, this means all of us (all marginal living entities) have an eternal shape, form, body and connection that is forever with Krishna in His everlasting Abode which is infinitely eternal even though from moment to moment, we may choose to consciously deny of this everlasting reality due to our desire to experience existence separate from Krishna. Only then, after that choice is made, does forgetfulness enter the equation where ones fantasies of independent grandeur away from beautiful Krishna is created by our dreaming secondary consciousness that transmits one to the material universe (mahat-tattva) or nitya-baddha forgetful condition of existence as the jiva-bhutah conscious condition that originates from our perprtual bodily form in Goloka-Vrndavana.

The Final Absolute Proof: The Jiva Consciousness Did Fall From Their Svarupa Body in Goloka The wonderful Srimad Bhagavatam or Bhagavat-purana tell us that the Kingdom</ST1> of<ST1> Krishna is an eternal active place of boundless pastimes where nothing perishes and so called time is in the eternal present where their is no past or future. Everything in Krishna’s Abode is always eternally there because of the perpetual and imperishable nature of His Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha Spiritual Sky or Abode. This means ones eternal, perpetual, unchanging, continious, everlasting, devotional ceasless, never ending, long lasting, continual jivatma vigraha is ALWAYS there and can NEVER leave because of the eternal nature of Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha. Perpetual Vaikuntha means nothing there can decay perish or disappear, therefore everyones never ending bodily form or svarupa body is already there and never leaves Goloka or Vaikuntha.. <O:P<O:P As already mentioned and must be constantly emphasised, this means all of us have an eternal form and relationship that is always with Krishna in His everlasting Abode that is forever there and has always been there, even though from time to time, we are consciously unaware of this unending reality due to our forgetfulness and fantasies of material grandur. Such desires DREAMS and thoughts that create our mirage like insignificant secondary consciousness (real but temporary) that transmits ‘the thoughts one wants created’ to the material universe in the jiva-bhutah condition consciousness known as the nitya-baddha proviso of existence within the mahat-tattva (material universe). <O:PIn a uncomplicated way of trying to understand this, all of us dream when we sleep, the dreams we have in our biological body or vessel appear real and while immersed in that dream state one forgets their biological body they are dreaming from. In a similar way, the non-Krishna Conscious thoughts, convictions or ‘dreams’ manifest a separate dreaming version of the self (that is real but temporary) and while in that dreaming state or secondary consciousness (jiva-bhutah), we forget our genuine Krishna conscious bodily form. <O:PKeep in mind, on the absolute level, unlike the mundane biological level; ones thoughts or dreams are as real as their atma-jiva-vigraha body, with a major difference, they are expressed through counterfeit bodily vessels within the mahat-tattva. All ethereal and biological vessels as well as their material surroundings are provided by Maha-Vishnu for the purpose of allowing one in their secondary conscious state to live out those dreams, thoughts and desires. Such non-Krishna Conscious thoughts and desires cannot exist within the same devotional space that all their perpetual Krishna Conscious bodies exist in (namely Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha). In this way, it is ones Krishna Conscious desires’ cause one to consciously enter the mahat-tattva cloud. All self-centered desires, dreams or thoughts expel themselves from Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha perpetual portion of the Spiritual Sky due to the selfish independent desires (choices) to no longer want to be with Krishna. For ones conscious awareness to remain in the Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha abode, one has to be Krishna Conscious. In this way ones non-Krishna Conscious thoughts, dreams and desires cannot remain there and are transferred as a secondary conscious state (jiva-bhutah) to a far distant transient place in the Spiritual Sky set aside for such temporary thoughts, dreams or desires. Those desires, thoughts and dreams, represented by the jiva-bhutah consciousness, are provided ethereal and biological containers provided by Maha-Vishnu to chase their dream, in some cases for an almost eternity. This place of ‘the dreaming’ is called the PERISHABLE mahat-tattva that is a real phenomenon in the Spiritual Sky yet temporary. When one is awake in their biological body, or when one is dreaming in that body, it is still the same ‘self’ existing on two completely different levels of consciousness at the same time, one in the biological body, the other as dreamed up fantasies the biological body is dreaming. <O:PSuch dreams appear real while ones biological body is sleeping, so real, one completely forgets the biological body one is dreaming from. <O:P In a comparable way to undderstand this, when ones dreams or thoughts are not <ST1:PKrishna conscious, they create a secondary conscious state called the jiva-bhutah conscious condition or "conditioned state" brought about by ones Krishna Conscious desires and DREAMS. This state of consciousness is then transferred to within the mahat-tattva cloud (material universe), which is real but temporary and house in ethereal and eventually biological bodies provided by Maha-Vishnu that enables the visiting jiva-sakti consciousness in the eclosed atmosphere of the mahat-tattva or material creation. In this way, the thoughts of ones lower self, unlike the illusionary unreal dreams one has while their biological body is sleeping, are actually a real reality but subject to decay. Remember, on this level of consciousness, your thoughts are your actions and stays that way while even contained in ethereal vessels within the material heavenly planets. Only in the middle planets of biological vessels are ones thoughts and dreams suppressed. <O:POnes sleeping biological body dreaming, is only an analogy and it does not mean the biological understanding of dreaming is the way we dream ourselves out of the Vaikuntha’s. <O:PThere is a difference, ones dreams within Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha are non different from reality or actions. In other words, if one has non-Krishna Conscious thoughts, dreams or desires, they cannot experience those thoughts, desires or dreams in the devotionally uninterrupted <ST1>Kingdom of </ST1><ST1>Krishna. Krsnaloka or Vishnuloka <O:P To experience such self-centered dreams and desires, the secondary consciousness (jiva-bhutah, jiva-tattva, jiva-sakti etc, etc) is extended or projected to the mahat-tattva or material universe. In this way, ones secondary consciousness is transferred to within the confines and restrictions (being contained in ethereal and biological vessels) of mahat-tattva when one is unaware of their real original identity and form (The atma-vigraha or nitya-siddha-svarupa Krishna Conscious body). As already explained, this means all of us (all marginal living entities) have an eternal shape, form, body and connection that is forever with Krishna in His everlasting Abode which is infinitely eternal even though from moment to moment, we may choose to consciously deny of this everlasting reality due to our desire to experience existence separate from Krishna. Only then, after that choice is made, does forgetfulness enter the equation where ones fantasies of independent grandeur away from beautiful Krishna is created by our dreaming secondary consciousness that transmits one to the material universe (mahat-tattva) or nitya-baddha forgetful condition of existence as the jiva-bhutah conscious condition that originates from our perprtual bodily form in Goloka-Vrndavana.

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The mahat-tattva material manifestation of Maha-Vishnu The ethereal and biological costumes (bodies) always belong to the rental agent, Maha-Vishnu and His wife Maya Devi. Such costumes follow His script or design that simultaneously meets the desires and requirements of each of the jiva-bhutah consciousnesses visiting from their original bodily source and place of servitude in the perpetual Spiritual Sky, which is outside the mahat-tattva or confines of the restricted material universe. For the inhabitants of the Vaikuntha's planets, the mahat-tattva is an unnatural phenomenon. For the jiva consciousness trapped in the perishable mahat-tattva in ethereal or biological bodies, it is hard for them to understand the concept of an imperishable universe where only the present exists beyond time, past and future that is where their consciousness originate from. For those inhabitants in the Vaikuntha's, it is therefore possible to see past, present and future within the mahat-tattva all at once, where as from the perspective within the mahat-tattva, unless one is a great devotee who Krishna allows to view the dreams of Maha-Vishnu, from outside His dreams of the material manifestation, (and outside the confines of ethereal and biological vehicals) yet still within the boundaries of the mahat-tattva, then viewing past, present and future within the dreams of Maha-Vishnu is not possible. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> The Impersonalists foolishly believe the mahat-tattva is the complete creation and nothing else exists; they can neither view nor experience the existence of the vast Vaikuntha real outside the mahat-tattva that takes up the majority of creation and encircles the insignificant mahat-tattva cloud.<o:p></o:p>

Maha-Vishnu creates the mahat-tattva and provides all material vessels (ethereal and biological), vai His many representatives for those jiva-tattva's who enter His domain in their attempts to satisfy their material dreams or desires. Very intersting reading Prabhu

I found the following on the net very interesting. No one can dispute what Srila Prabhupada has said If you don’t want to be cheated when buying a diamond, you must have some knowledge of what a diamond is, similarly one must have some understanding of Spiritual life to begin with and then develop a solid understanding of Srila Prabhupadas books. In this way one will not be mislead by material charisma, dictatorial power and conflicting Vaishnava theories and dreaded Impersonalism.One must study Srila Prabhupadas’ books, tapes, letters and interviews diligently and openly challenge anyone who contradicts those books, referring mostly to Impersonalists, Buddhists, materialists, political parties socialists and mundane religionists. The teachings of the Spiritual Master are absolute so Prabhupadas books, tapes (that all his books are via Dictaphone anyway) lectures, classes, morning walks, interviews and letters are all as equal as each other. Why wouldn’t they be so? Srila Prabhupada warned us to not dwell too much on why and how we are here, but to get out of this material dreaming condition however sometimes one has to stand up for their Spiritual Master when the words he has said are very very clear clear. I read only his books and most critizism in this regards is coming Gaudiya math nonsense propaganda. I personally read Prabhupadas books HOWEVER also listen to his classes or morning walks when HE is quoting from his books that give insight into his books.Therefore on many occasions he has said that our existence in the material world is so long that it seems we have come from tatastha, then throws his transcendental vision in the arena by saying that before that we also existed in another creation of matter and before that, and before that, and before that – how far can we go back? And he finishes by saying, before that even, we were with <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 /><st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>. 1. The time factor of past present and future exists in the mahat-tattva, a place of divided time that has the effect of decay and impermanence. 2. The impersonal characteristic of ones consciousness is called the jiva-tatastha conscious state that is devoid of past, present and future. The jiva-sakti consciousness is suspended in a dreamless timeless existence we call tatatasha, but even that conscious state is temporary due to the inherent active nature of one consciousness that originates from ones perpetual rasa body in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha. 3. The goloka-Vrndavan realm on the other hand is fully active in a way where there is no past or future as the Brahma-samhita tells us, there is only the perpetual present, and so everything has always been there and will always be there. Our svarupa body has always been there. Srila Prabhupada is the personification of shastra because he is in a line of disciplic succession from Krishna Himself, everything he says and writes IS shastra, infact it is more important that all previous writings of previous Acharayas because Srila Prabhupada IS the present authority on Vaishnavism and his world wide preaching success preaches for itself. The writings in this thesis are inspired and based on Srila Prabhupadas teachings and my personal realizations of those writings that he personally encouraged us to pursue, and not mental speculation nor the dry institutionalized self-righteous parrot quoting of scriptures. we must understand what we are doing for Lord Chaitanya and why, although there is even great benefit in being told what to do under the correct guidance. We musat uderstand that the method of deliverance in Kali-yuga is the congregational chanting of Hare Krishna and distributing Srila Prabhupadas books EVERTHING ELSE IS SECONDARY, including the over emphasis of on Vedic retuals and even Diety worship if nessessary. 'Sell the Temples and print books if you have too" Srila Prabhupadas Spiritual Master once told him. Fortunately we live in a rich society where both can be done but Sankrirtan including book distribution s the bases of Srila Prabhupadas Lord Chaitanya movement.The story of the humble simple minded sudra cobbler and the arrogant puffed up brahmana jnani, who thought that his wealth of Sanskrit slokas and Vedic knowledge of rituals, that he believed would lead to his re-awaking in Goloka, warns us that only ones unconditional selfless attachment, faith and total dependence to the Spiritual Master and Krishna is the only way to realize our authentic real Krishna Conscious bodily self in Goloka-Vrndavana and wake up from this material dream. There is one clear overwhelming point the 'tatastha origin buddies' don't seem to understand, and that is Srila Prabhupada has said our origins are from Vaikuntha Srila Prabhupada -. “Originally we have a direct personal relationship with <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> in the spiritual world. But when we want to take Krishna’s position, we therefore put ourselves into a dreaming state due to our none <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> conscious choices. In this dreaming state we forget our actual position and thus are free to act out our desire in our attempts to become the supreme enjoyer” Srila Prabhupada “No one falls from Vaikuntha.” We really do not fall. We think we are fallen. But this just means we have forgotten our original situation” Srila Prabhupada – ‘Originally we have a direct personal relationship with <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> in the spiritual world. But when we want to take Krishna’s position, we put ourselves into a dreaming state due to our non <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> conscious choices. In this dreaming state we forget our actual position and thus are free to act out our desire in our attempts to become the supreme enjoyer. These mistaken self centered choices or non <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> conscious dreams are characterized as being fallen from our position in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha" Srila Prabhupada explains clearly that in reality we are not fallen, our rasa body actually goes nowhere and is always in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha because we are simply in a dreaming condition’. Srila Prabhupada in his lectures always says that originally we were all Krishna-conscious living entities and on the Hare Krishna album He addresses a large audience with the words: "We are all originally <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> conscious entities . . ." Srila Prabhupada - Regarding your questions concerning the spirit soul’s falling into Maya’s influence, it is not that those who have developed a passive relationship with <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> are more likely to fall into nescient activities. Usually, anyone who has developed his relationship with <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> does not fall down in any circumstances, but because the independence is always there, the soul may fall down from any position or any relationship by misusing his independence. But his relationship with <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> is never lost. Simply it is forgotten by the influence of Maya, so it may be regained or revived by the process of hearing the Holy Name . . ." Letter to Jagadish, 4.25.70 Srila Prabhupada -. “Originally we have a direct personal relationship with <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> in the spiritual world. But when we want to take Krishna’s position, we therefore put ourselves into a dreaming state due to our none <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> conscious choices. In this dreaming state we forget our actual position and thus are free to act out our desire in our attempts to become the supreme enjoyer”. These comments Srila Prabhupada has said cannot be refuted. No amount of word jugglery or denying his comments we will change these facts. A bonafide disciple of Sila Prabhupada understands this because such a devotee or grand disciple bases all the Vedas on Srila Prabhpadas books, interviews, classes, letters and morning walks tapes. He or She sees the entire Vedas and their true meanings through such teachings Srila Prabhupada has given us.As devotees of Srila Prabhupada we are not interested in what other Gaudiya groups say or believe because His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada is the present bonafide representative of His Spiritual Master. We understand Vedanta through his books only, even if we do read other Vedic texts. I believe you and I and everyone else on this website would not know anything about <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> if it was not for Srila Prabhupada. Your servant Vaikunthapati das. Hare Krishna.

Srila Prabhupada also said some scriptual points are important to understandI found the following on the net If you don’t want to be cheated when buying a diamond, you must have some knowledge of what a diamond is, similarly one must have some understanding of Spiritual life to begin with and then develop a solid understanding of Srila Prabhupadas books. In this way one will not be mislead by material charisma, dictatorial power and conflicting Vaishnava theories and dreaded Impersonalism. <?xml:namespace prefix = u1 /><u1:p></u1:p>One must study Srila Prabhupadas’ books, tapes, letters and interviews diligently and openly challenge anyone who contradicts those books, referring mostly to Impersonalists, Buddhists, materialists and mundane religionists.The teachings of the Spiritual Master are absolute so Prabhupadas books, tapes (that all his books are via Dictaphone anyway) lectures, classes, morning walks, interviews and letters are all as equal as each other. Why wouldn’t they be so? Srila Prabhupada warned us to not dwell too much of why and how we are here, but to get out. On many occasions he has said that our existence in the material world is so long that it seems we have come from tatastha, then throws his transcendental vision in the arena by saying that before that we also existed in another creation of matter and before that, and before that, and before that – how far can we go back? And he finishes by saying, before that even, we were with <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 /><st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>. 1. The time factor of past present and future exists in the mahat-tattva, a place of divided time that has the effect of decay and impermanence. 2. The impersonal characteristic of ones consciousness is called the jiva-tatastha conscious state that is devoid of past, present and future. The jiva-sakti consciousness is suspended in a dreamless timeless existence we call tatatasha, but even that conscious state is temporary due to the inherent active nature of one consciousness that originates from ones perpetual rasa body in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha. 3. The goloka-Vrndavan realm on the other hand is fully active in a way where there is no past or future as the Brahma-samhita tells us, there is only the perpetual present, and so everything has always been there and will always be there. Our svarupa body has always been there. Srila Prabhupada is the personification of shastra because he is in a line of disciplic succession from Krishna Himself, everything he says and writes IS shastra, infact it is more important that all previous writings because Srila Prabhupada IS the present authority on Vaishnavism and his world wide preaching success preaches for itself. The writings in this thesis are inspired and based on Srila Prabhupadas teachings and my personal realizations of those writings that he personally encouraged us to pursue, and not mental speculation nor the dry institutionalized self-righteous parrot quoting of scriptures. we must understand what we are doing for Lord Chaitanya and why, although there is even great benefit in being told what to do under the correct guidance. We musat uderstand that the method of deliverance in Kali-yuga is the congregational chanting of Hare Krishna and distributing Srila Prabhupadas books EVERTHING ELSE IS SECONDARY, including the over emphasis of on Vedic retuals and even Diety worship if nessessary. 'Sell the Temples and print books if you have too" Srila Prabhupadas Spiritual Master once told him. Fortunately we live in a rich society where both can be done but Sankrirtan including book distribution s the bases of Srila Prabhupadas Lord Chaitanya movement. The story of the humble simple minded sudra cobbler and the arrogant puffed up brahmana jnani, who thought that his wealth of Sanskrit slokas and Vedic knowledge of rituals, that he believed would lead to his re-awaking in Goloka, warns us that only ones unconditional selfless attachment, faith and total dependence to the Spiritual Master and Krishna is the only way to realize our authentic real Krishna Conscious bodily self in Goloka-Vrndavana and wake up from this material dream. There is one clear overwhelming point the 'tatastha origin buddies' don't seem to understand, and that is Srila Prabhupada has said our origins are from Vaikuntha. Srila Prabhupada -. “Originally we have a direct personal relationship with <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> in the spiritual world. But when we want to take Krishna’s position, we therefore put ourselves into a dreaming state due to our none <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> conscious choices. In this dreaming state we forget our actual position and thus are free to act out our desire in our attempts to become the supreme enjoyer”. Srila Prabhupada “No one falls from Vaikuntha.” We really do not fall. We think we are fallen. But this just means we have forgotten our original situation” Srila Prabhupada – ‘Originally we have a direct personal relationship with <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> in the spiritual world. But when we want to take Krishna’s position, we put ourselves into a dreaming state due to our non <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> conscious choices. In this dreaming state we forget our actual position and thus are free to act out our desire in our attempts to become the supreme enjoyer. These mistaken self centered choices or non <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> conscious dreams are characterized as being fallen from our position in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha" Srila Prabhupada explains clearly that in reality we are not fallen, our rasa body actually goes nowhere and is always in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha because we are simply in a dreaming condition’. Srila Prabhupada in his lectures always says that originally we were all Krishna-conscious living entities and on the Hare Krishna album He addresses a large audience with the words: "We are all originally <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> conscious entities . . ." Srila Prabhupada - Regarding your questions concerning the spirit soul’s falling into Maya’s influence, it is not that those who have developed a passive relationship with <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> are more likely to fall into nescient activities. Usually, anyone who has developed his relationship with <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> does not fall down in any circumstances, but because the independence is always there, the soul may fall down from any position or any relationship by misusing his independence. But his relationship with <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> is never lost. Simply it is forgotten by the influence of Maya, so it may be regained or revived by the process of hearing the Holy Name . . ." Letter to Jagadish, 4.25.70 Srila Prabhupada -. “Originally we have a direct personal relationship with <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> in the spiritual world. But when we want to take Krishna’s position, we therefore put ourselves into a dreaming state due to our none <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> conscious choices. In this dreaming state we forget our actual position and thus are free to act out our desire in our attempts to become the supreme enjoyer”. These comments Srila Srabhupada has said and no amount of word jugglery or denial we will change these facts. A bonafide disciple of Sila Prabhupada understands this because such a devotee or grand disciple bases all the Vedas on Srila Prabhpadas books, interviews, classes, letters and morning walks tapes. He or She sees the entire Vedas and their true meanings through such teachings Srila Prabhupada has given us. As devotees of Srila Prabhupada we are not interested in what other Gaudiya groups say or believe because His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada is the present bonafide representative of His Spiritual Master. We understand Vedanta through his books only, even if we do read other Vedic texts. I believe you and I and everyone else on this website would not know anything about <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> if it was not for Srila Prabhupada. Your servant Vaikunthapati das. Hare Krishna

Srila Prabhupada: - <o:p></o:p> The verb pratipad means, "to be perceived or restored." The soul that is vinidra, free from the dreamlike condition of material consciousness, is restored to its constitutional position as an eternal servitor of the Lord, Sri Krishna, and thus the soul is directly perceived by pure consciousness. <o:p></o:p> <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p> This means our spiritual body (vigraha) is already there in Vaikuntha and has always been there. The teachings of Jiva Gosvami correctly teaches us that our jiva-bhutah consciousness also originates from our individual tatastha s'akti condition of consciousness that manifests as a living spark of consciousness (jiva-s’akti) from the Impersonal Brahmajyoti aspect of ones individual consciousness however, before tatastha we were also embodied and this is where most in the Gaudiya Math misunderstand his teachings and wrongly think the jiva-bhutah consciousness originates from tatastha. <o:p></o:p> <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p> Originating from the tatastha is therefore correct in the face of our material universe only within the mahat-tattva because we have re-entered the mahat-tattva on many occasions from the tatastha, however from the bigger picture we clearly originate from Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha, therefore it is obvious that such so-called origins from the tatastha are only from the perspective of the mahat-tattva where our individual consciousness (jiva, soul or life force) has again and again and again fallen from, after previously entering that tatastha condition of consciousness from a previous material universal creation, possibly billions of material creation before that also however, originally our existence was initiated from Vaikuntha. <o:p></o:p> <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p> This is how ones secondary consciousness, in the dormant tatastha state, which is an inactive conscious condition in the Impersonal Brahmajyoti or the Impersonal aspect of Brahman, remerges back as a conditioned soul to again be housed in ethereal and eventually biological vessels within the mahat-tattva. <o:p></o:p> <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p> This is how we return (NOT originate) from the tatastha to occupy material bodies (ethereal and biological vessels) in mahat-tattva in our futile attempt to fill our non-Krishna conscious dreams. <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p> No one originates from tatastha; it is only an intermediate state of dormant consciousness that exists in between the Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha Spiritual Sky and the mahat-tattva in the same Spiritual Sky or Brahmajyoti. Nothing Impersonal exists in the Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha, which surrounds and simultaneously emanates or radiates from Krishna's transcendental body. Everything is personal; every so-called 'spark from Krishna's effulgence' originates as sat-cit-ananda-VIGRAHA. Just as Krishna has an eternal bodily form, so do ALL of his marginal living entities. <o:p></o:p> <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p> The mahat-tattva is a secondary conscious manifestation (active in ethereal and biological costumes) and the tatastha is a third manifestation (impersonal or dormant state of the jiva-tattva’s consciousness). In both cases, such conscious transformation is ones lower conscious awareness conditions that are both radiate or are transmitted from the first or original sat-cit-ananda- VIGRAHA body. This Krishna Conscious vigraha body is the perpetual constitution of all marginal living entities as eternal servants of Krishna. This is the correct understanding of how the marginal living entities within the creation unfolds.<o:p></o:p> <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p> ONLY in this way does one's secondary consciousness appear to originate as our own individual jiva-tatastha conscious-dormant condition. Unfortunately this has been greatly misunderstood for many hundreds of years in the Vaishnava tradition. Originally our dreaming consciousness was transmitted to the mahat-tattva (not our perpetual vigraha body), and given material (ethereal then biological) vessels by Maha-Vishnu, then over billions of life times, ones conscious awareness of their origins is forgotten so much so that that we begin to believe our origins are from an Impersonal nature. This pollution of Impersonal thought in the Vaishnava teachings has always lingered and was strong in the 11^th and 13^th centuries. Now with the re emergence of Vaishnavism around the world, it has started again, not from the teachings A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada who clearly explains we all indeed did come from Vaikuntha, but by many of his Godbrothers and God nephews. <o:p></o:p> <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada explained that our time is so long in the mahat-tattva that we forget we originated from Vaikuntha, so much so, that many great devotees explain that our origins into this world to be from the tatastha state of the jiva-tattva’s consciousness, as so many quotes from Jiva-Gosvami, Sri Thakur Bhaktivinoda, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur and Srila Prabhupdada explain, however from the bigger picture of creation outside of the mahat-tattva, that many Vaishnava books are only confined too, Srila Prabupada tells us we indeed make our way to that tatastha conscious state from a previous mahat-tattva creation and before that, maybe a long time before that, we were with Krishna. There is no beginning or end to the creation, which means there is no origin to the marginal vigraha devotee’s. <o:p></o:p>

The fall from Gods Kingdom is described in this book as a secondary manifestation of dreaming consciousness only manifesting within the sub-conscious mind of ones perpetual Spirtual devotional bodily self, that further only exists when one is bereft of God consciousness. Such non-Krishna conscious dreams only come into a temporary existence when they enter the mahat-tattva and are given form by Maha-Vishnu. (There is aways choice) We all have an original God conscious body however, we can only be aware of such a body when we are selflessly engaged in loving devotion to God who is known as Krishna in his Supreme Person and lives eternally with His loving devotees (marginal personalities) and unlimited expansions, all playing different roles, in the uninterrupted ambience of His beautiful Goloka-Vrndavana planet. This divine all-attractive planet exists in the transcendental universe or spiritual sky beyond time and space, past and future. It is a blissful gorgeous imperishable universe that is eternally set in the present as the Brahma-Samhita teaches us. <o:p></o:p> The constitutional nature of the jiva or soul in its full potential of adoring non-envious expression of full consciousness embodied as a eternal bodily form, is engaged in loving noble unconditional service to God and His pure devotees, this wonderful blissful place is the soul’s original constitution. The full constitution of the jiva-soul is further made complete with free will, individuality and identity manifesting as a perpetual bodily form. All jiva-souls, or Krishna’s marginal potency, have originally manifested as that perpetual beautiful attractive youthful bodily form serving the wonderful object of their loving service, Krishna the Lord and Master of all and protector of His devotee’s and provider to His non-devotee’s. On the other hand, how are we to understand the word original when there was no beginning to the Spiritual Sky of Goloka-Vrndavana and the subordinate unending perpetual attractive Vaikuntha planets surrounding that wonderful central creation of <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>? In the very simplest terms, the universe is actually divided in the higher universe that covers three quarters of the creation and the lower universe that covers ¼ of creation. The difference between the two is significant; one is imperishable beyond time and space where the past and future do not exist due to the everlasting present, while the other is perishable, controlled by time, past, present, future, decay, forgetfulness, birth, disease, old age and death. This lower universe, which appears as a dark phenomenal cloud in one corner of the Spiritual sky creation and further known as the Brahmajyoti, is called the material universe. The material universe has three basic realities for those who choose to visit its dominion. The first material feature is the ethereal vessels that houses the jiva-soul consciousness transferred from the higher universe, The second material feature is the biological vehicle or body that houses the ethereal or subtle body and... The third material feature is the lifeless material elements that is actually born from the fossilized remains of material biological bodies when they decay and are no longer fit enough to house the ethereal vessel that carries the jiva-soul consciousness (one’s lower self) Such dead matter is spread throughout the material creation (the lower ream of Gods creation). This book will clearly explain how and why <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> has three levels of reality. Also there are three other aspects of creation <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> 1. Higher creation, Goloka-Vrndavana where <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> resides and the Vaikuntha where boundless numbers of beautiful Vishnu’s reside.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> 2. Lower creation, material manifestation or mahat-tattva where Maha-Vishnu resides in a dreaming phenomena that facilitates the lower self or secondary conscious phenomena of the marginal jiva-souls higher bodily self in the higher perpetual universe<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> 3. The space between the two is the third known as the Impersonal Brahmajyoti OR Brahma-sayujya where the marginal secondary consciousness can escape too from the suffering of material existence. Such inactive or dormant consciousness is known as the dormant conscious position of the jiva-tattva in creation called the tatastra-sakti. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Could it be, due to our long association in the perishable universe for such a long, long, long, long period of time, we mistaking believe we originate from the third temporary portion of creation (impersonal Brahmajyoti) where one attempts to escape from being active as both ones authentic self in the higher universe (due to forgetfulness) and ones counterfeit self in the lower reality, forgetting ones previous active existence, not only in the impermanent lower universe (mahat-tattva), but unaware of that the manifestation of ones secondary consciousness originated from the higher universe (beautiful Goloka)? This book will attempt to explain how this happens. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> All three levels of conscious reality, from the perpetual to the perishable, to the temporary inactive conscious state, will be explained as simple as possible in English without the often perplexing over use of Sanskrit words. The message is more important than the scholarly jnan or the knowledgeable show of understanding difficult Sanskrit words meant for university graduates, not that there is anything wrong with that, it is just not meant for everyone. Such in depth Sanskrit understanding is not for everyone, such words are too difficult to understand by most people in this day and age (see the story of the cobbler and the jnani page 87) .<o:p></o:p>

An interesting blog I found on the web by Pradyumna Swami (not full thesis, it was too long to post here) Spiritual (Goloka) material (mahat-tattva) Intermediate<o:p></o:p> (tatastra) consciousness <o:p> </o:p> The Sanskrit word Sakti (S'akti) means strength, energy, power, might, ability, effort, capability. <o:p></o:p> Higher Energy where the higher self resides serving <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> as their jiva-tattva-vigraha bodily self, -, or inner, spiritual energy (para - prakriti or para - s'akti): one of the three most important energies of the Lord (spiritual, intermediate and material energy). It is the manifestation of the Lord His inner potency; it covers the spiritual world. Contrary to the material energy is it entirely of eternity, knowledge, bliss and vigraha (sac-cid-an anda). Also there is no past or future because everyone is eternally engaged in devotional activities in the perpetual present. Three quarters of the reality (brahmajyoti or Spiritual Sky) exist in this way. <o:p></o:p> Lower Energy is where the dreaming Maha-Vishnu resides and is also where the secondary consciousness or lower dreaming self resides because of ones non-Krishna Conscious desires, thoughts and dreams. This place ‘of the dreaming’ or mahat-tattva, is where the sub-conscious mind-projections of the jiva-tattva-vigraha devotee’s, eternally situated in their consitiution devotional position in the higher energy realm (Goloka), are transferred to the outer realms of the Brahmajyoti or Spiritual Sky, where a dark cloud of material energy exists (apara-prakriti, apara-s'akti or maha-brahman or maha-tattva): one of the three main energies of the Lord ( spiritual, material energy and intermediate). It is the manifestation of the Lord in His outer potency (prosided over by Maha-Vishnu), comprising the twenty-four physical elements and the material impermanent universe in which we live. The interactions between those material elements in the mahat-tattva cloud take place under the influence of the time-factor (past, present, future, forgetfulness, birth, disease, old age and death) and by attraction with the spiritual energy of the Lord, from which it differs in the sense that the maha-tattva manifest at times and non-manifest at other times. The mahat-tattva is like an iceberg visible only for a quarter of the complete reality. <o:p></o:p> The tatastha-s'akti or energy is the Intermediate or third feature of the atma-vigraha devotee's (jiva-tattva's) extended consciosness that does not reogonize its origins or Goloka or confined to ethereal and biological vessels in the mahat-tattva or material creation -<o:p></o:p> Spiritual–perpetual (Goloka-Vrndavan/Vaikuntha <o:p></o:p> Material - perishable (mahat-tattva) <o:p></o:p> Intermediate – inactive (Impersonal Brahmajyoti or tatastra condition of consciousness) The tatastha-s'akti(jiva-s'akti or tathastha - s'akti) <o:p></o:p> The word tathastha means a neutral, disinterested, state of dormant consciosness that does not take any side, which means ones conscious awareness does not recogize its perpetual bodily self (jiva-atma-vigraha or jiva-tattva vigraha) in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha (the perpetual devotional Krishna Conscious Kingdom of God), or interested in activating any secondary conscious dream state of self-importance that becomes housed in ethereal and biological vessels within the maha-tattva (material manifestation) Therefore, the tatastha-s'akti is the jiva-tattva-vigrah or marginal living being in their dreaming secondary dreaming consciousness manifesting as the intermediate energy (neither in the active Spiritual world or the active material world), such a third state of conscious projection (non-energetically Krishna conscious, as well as a dreamless state of consciousness) is an alternative dormant condition of the marginal living entity.when unaware of their full potential Krishna Conscious body The living being is the intermediate energy of the Supreme Lord. It comprises the living being, the very tiny little part of <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>, who though in fact being of a spiritual nature of sat-cit-ananda-vigraha, as a consequence of its limited potency can be victim of bewilderment by the dreaming lower self as already explained. <o:p></o:p> Expansion, Plenary-, (Vishnu-tattva): manifestation of God, <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>, by means of a personal form that differs from His Original form, but is of the same almighty potency.<o:p></o:p> Maha-tattva: The complete material manifestation that includes the ethereal and biological vessels that cloth the visiting secondary dreaming consciousness, emanating from ones perpetual body in the perpetual realm. The mahat-tattva is made up of twenty-four material elements. The nine basic principles or elements of creation (tattvas) as mentioned in 12.11: 5 are maya (or prakriti), mahat-tattva is also the Cosmic celestial and secular material intelligence, its active aspect or the sutra, the false ego of identification of the living being is first contained in the ethereal or subtle body or ahankara,and then becomes further covered by the biological vessel.. Together within both the ethereal and biological covering of the transmitted jiva-bhutah, the secondary consciousness or lower dreaming self, manifests the five subtle perceptions, the sense objects or tanmatras. In this way, every thought, dream and desire of the jiva-bhutah is housed by Maha-Vishnu who facilitates all those who choose to enter His temporary mahat-tattva realm with His blue print realities of the mahat-tattva. Intelligence, false ego (ethereal) and the five gross senses (biological) cover the true spiritual:nature and identity of the 'transferred secondary consciousness or the sub-conscious dreams within ones perpetual Spiritual devotional body because of their non-Krishna conscious desires.Other names for the soul (extended consciousness) are jiva, atma, ahamkara. <o:p></o:p> The Sanskrit word sakti means potency or power generated from <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> the cause of all causes, this potency is called the jiva-tattva-vigraha devotee’s. The marginal jiva-tattva-vigraha devotee’s perpetually exists as eternal bodily (vigraha) servants of the Lord. The vigraha marginal devotees are also the effulgent Brahmajoti (made up of perpetual personalities serving the Supreme Vigraha or the Personality of Krishna. Such eternally embodied energy (sat-cit-ananda-vigraha devotees) also has a minimal sakti effect or influence of power. <o:p></o:p> The marginal Brahmajyoti therefore is an unlimited numbers of individual-nitya-siddha-savarupa-sat-cit-ananda-vigraha devotees, often mistakingly referred to as impersonal sparks or atoms in the effulgence on in the Spiriual Sky where Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha exists however this is not possible because Impersonalism cannot manifest itself in the Goloka-Vrndavana Spitual Sky. Such a condition of Impersonal motionless sparks or atoms of consciousness can only exist as that dormant state, known as an individual aspect of the Impersonal Brahmajyotiwhere the jiva-tattva-vigraha, in its dreaming condition (jiva-nikaya), extends those dreams as a secondary dormant dreamless conscious condition, exists as the tatastha-s’akti of individual dreaming consciousness. This inactive state of dreamless consciousness is also called the Brahma-saujya consciousness. <o:p></o:p> The inactive state of the jiva-tattva known as the tatastha-s’akti, separates the Spiritual creation from the material creation. Such a state of dormant consciousness does not exist in either realm because of its static nature of believing it even exists. This neutral zone between the Spirtual and the material, can only be attained after first entering the mahat-tattva. This material manifestation is attained (falling down to) by becoming inattentive of ones service to <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> and consciously wondering off dreaming of self-interest within their perpetual Krishna Conscious body in the Spiritual manifestation of Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha. Such dreams only make one forget the rasa body they are dreaming from. <o:p></o:p> Just like one forgets their biological body while dreaming at night or daydreaming, due to their mind creating an alternative reality, this is infact how one can only leave the goloka-Vrndava/Vaikuntha aspect of the Spirtual Sky and enter the mahat-tattva. <o:p></o:p> Such dreams, thoughts and self-centered desires manifest as the jiva-bhutah state of conditioned dreaming consciousness and enters the mahat-tattva creation of Maha-Vishnu, who is also dreaming. That is a very significant point to note – Maha-Vishnu is also dreaming. Some cannot understand that we only leave Goloka in dream state and never in our rasa body. <o:p></o:p> As long as one remains in that dreaming consciousness (jiva-bhutah) unaware of the Spirtual body they are dreaming from, then their dreams will continue to remain trapped in ethereal and biological containers for billions of births strggling for existance. <o:p></o:p> Eventually though, one becomes fed-up with there impermanance, birth, disease, old age and deaths, and then, after many more births of seeking freedom from the embodiment of pious and impious karma, find mukti (liberation) from such a frustrating forgetful impermanant existence. Only then does one fall to tastastha. It is impossible to first fall to the tatastha from Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha (explanation of why this is so on page 254). <o:p></o:p> The jiva-tattva-vigraha devotee’s are generated from <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> in a perpetual realm that has no beginning or end. In other words there was no beginning point of that generation; emanation and creation because there was never a time when the jiva-tattva-vigraha devotee’s did not exist, nor in the future will they ever cease to be. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> The perpetual jiva-tattva-vigraha devotees further generate their own minimal sakti or power in their service to <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> or in their dreams to the mahat-tattva. Such dreams originate from their original bodily self, yet because of their non <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> conscious nature, become a secondary state of consciousness that only exists when one is so deeply buried in their dreams, they begin to see such dreams as real and forget the body one is having those dreams in. Non Krishna Conscious dreams begin to make one believe such imaginings, thoughts and desires are who one really is when one foolishly chooses to no longer serve <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> as the marginal rasa bodily form they really are and will always be. This is how one choose’s to abandon their transcendental devotional Krishna Conscious body via a secondary dreaming consciousness. For the sake of communication the terms transmitted consciousness, transferred consciousness, teleported consciousness, dreaming consciousness, radiating consciousness, projected consciousness, emanating consciousness, translocated consciousness are technically just an expression to explain the dreaming secondary conscious state however, in reality, such dreams never leave the body they are dreamed in – just another paradox to think about.<o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada: No. Earth has no separate existence without <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>. <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> says, "My energy." You cannot separate the energy from the energetic. It is not possible. You cannot separate heat from fire. But fire is different from the heat, and heat is different from the fire. You are taking heat; that does not mean you are touching fire. Fire, in spite of emanating heat, keeps its identity. Similarly, although Krishna, by His different energies, is creating everything, He remains <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>. The Mayavada philosophers think that if Krishna is everything, then <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>’s separate identity is lost. That is material thinking. For example, by drinking this milk, little by little, when I finish, there is no more milk; it has gone to my belly. <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> is not like that. He is omnipotent. We are utilizing His energy continually; still He is there, present. Just like a man begetting children unlimitedly, but the man is there. A crude example is it's not that because he has produced hundreds of children, he is finished. So, similarly, God or <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>, in spite of His unlimited number of children, is there.<o:p></o:p> purnasya purnam adaya<o:p></o:p> purnam evavazisyate<o:p></o:p> "Because He is the complete whole, even though so many complete units emanate from Him, He remains the complete balance." This is <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> consciousness. <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> is never finished. <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> is so powerful. Therefore He is all-attractive. This is one side of the display of <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>’s energy. Similarly, He has unlimited energies. This study of <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>’s energy is only one side, or a portion only. So in this way, if you go on studying Krishna, that is <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> consciousness. It is not a bogus thing--"maybe,perhaps not." Absolutely! It is!<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Syamasundara: And the study itself is never finished.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Srila Prabhupada: No. How can it be? <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> has unlimited energy.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> The word jīva-tattva means the truth status of the living entity, be it as its full potential imperishable bodily self, or in its secondary state of transmitted consciousness or jiva-bhutah figment of the imagination state that enters the real but temporary mahat-tattva cloud where it is restrained by ethereal and biological vessels. This secondary conscious projection is also known as the jīva-kośam-sakti, or the covering of the spirit soul (transmitted secondary consciousness). <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> There are over 170 different meanings the Sanskrit word jiva. The (jiva) sakti therefore also refers to the sakti or influence generated from the jiva-atma-vigraha (ones authentic imperishable body), whether in the Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha's (as the marginal servant they are perpetually) or the mahat-tattva (as the secondary non-Krishna Conscious marginal self that dreams up billions of counterfeit bodies, personalities and identities. All illusions (real but temporary) self- centered dreaming conscious projection (jiva-bhutah consciousness).<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> The difference between the perishable mahat-tattva universe and the imperishable Vaikuntha's is significant, it means our eternal Krishna Conscious bodily form is always in Goloka even though we may not be consciously aware of that fact due to our non-Krishna conscious dream state. When the jiva-atma-vigraha devotee's energy or power (also an aspect of the marginal living entities minute power or sakti manifesting as sub-conscious dreams within ones jiva-tattva-vigraha body) is transferred as jiva-atma-tattva vigraha devotee’s secondary marginal characteristic, which are one’s non-Krishna conscious dreams, desires and thoughts, that are transferred to the mahat-tattva to be given bodily form (ethereal and then biological) by Maha-Vishnu. This is how we enter the material manifestation, via the dreams via non-Krisna sub-conscious dreams generated from our perpetual body in Goloka. Such a secondary lower-self non- Krishna conscious awareness, then extends its energy to the mahat-tattva and is then given an ethereal body by Maha-Vishnu which is the body of a Brahma of which there are millions, some devotees, but most not devotees. We do not originally fall to the impersonal jiva-tatastra conscious condition first, as some believe, that happens much, much later and is not possible from the Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha realm. Even Jaya and Vijaya immediately tok birth as demons BEFORE Narayana liberated them to the Brahma-sayujya, they never manifested a tatastra aspect of their consciousness, they immediately took birth in the material creation (mahat-tattva). <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p>