Sarva gattah

Theres 8,400,000 specis of life from the single cell to the human body, they are all vessels carrying the nitya-baddha's or jiva/soul's. Our biological bodies are made up of billions of other embodied jivas who are at different stages of their evolution that leads them eventually to their own human form that gives them the chance to again develope their original spiritual existence. Where ever there is life, then there is an individual embodied soul. In fact all dead matter originate from life. In other words when biological vessels of all 8,400,000 specis gradually becomes unfit for the jiva/souls, including the most promant jiva/soul (us),those biological contaiments, that are abandoned by the jiva due to the impermance within the mahat-tattva, then become fosselized when the jiva/souls have vacated them. Then that matter becomes the gases and dust that spreads throughout the creation that eventual becomes rocks, moutains, oceans moons planets, etc. All dead matter is left over from the presents of life (the presents of the minute embodied (ethereal vessl) jiva consciousness or nitya-baddha). This is all part and parcel of the creation of Maha-Vishnu and His mahat-tattva creation

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The Greening (coming of age) of the Hare Krishna Consciousness Movement. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> As one devotee (theist) described the pioneering movement of Lord Chaitanya in the early 21<SUP>st</SUP> century put it - “I believe it is important to remember that most of us are at the very beginning of Krsna conscious realization which is just dawning on us in this lifetime. There are some who are much further along in this process but the bulk of us are just getting our spiritual eyes acclimated to the sunlight and all it will reveal. 'We ain't seen nothing yet' as the saying goes which means we have a reason to approach the future in Krsna consciousness with great joy and expectation'<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura Maharaj Prabhupada, the Spiritual Master of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhpada said he would have had many children when he was a young man, if he were convinced his children would be given a pure Krishna Conscious up bringing – he was not convinced due to the degradation of the world and therefore established his Gaudiya Math Mission for such a purpose to convinced others and change the world into Krishna Consciousness. When he left this planet, he was disappointed with the lack of seriousness devotees and sannyasi’s had in his Gaudiya Math mission that was meant to stretch all over the planet and not just be for Indians. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati believed everyone deserved the chance to develop their original Krishna Consciousness regardless of race and doctrine all over the world, he new such convictions would establish Lord Chaitanya’s Sankirtan Movement in every part of the earth, something most of his disciples could not even imagine. nevertheless there was one disciple who took these instructions to heart and that was His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. He single headedly introduced Krishna and Lord Caitanya to every corner of the planet (See The Srila Prabhupada Lilamrita, ‘Planting The Seed’ by Satsvarupa Gosvami) <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada also new that not only would he spread Krishna Consciousness all over this planet but would also attract the attention of celestial being and demigods all over the universe to come and take birth in Lord Chaitanyas sankirtan movement. He new that advanced souls from the higher planetary systems wanted an easy way out of the material universe, yet would be reluctant to take birth at such a time in our Kali-yuga if they did not feel safe from the exploitations and bad habits that has infected the biological condition of nearly everyone in the mid 20<SUP>th</SUP> century, therefore he introduced a system of Sankirtan, book distribution and Deity Worship meant to purify those who seriously followed. Srila Prabhupada came to the west alone to begin what most could not even imagine, lifting wretched conditioned souls out of the swamp, stench and ignorance of the late half of the 20th Century to purify and lay the foundations and Krishna conscious for not only those on this planet, but all those celestial beings waiting to take birth in Lord Chaitanya’s movement <o:p></o:p> Regardless of the difficulties he faced establishing the ISKCON in West, the purification process had begun though, this was only the very rough beginning of Lord Chaitanya’s movement. Srila Prabhupada further new that when the devotees became serious and purified, they would eventually attract even the great demigods to come and take birth, however many would be tested to see if it was Krishna they really wanted to serve or continue exploiting the material world and serving the urges of their biological senses of fame, opulence, sex etc. In this way the struggle for purification would be seriously tested after Srila Prabhupada’s departure in 1977 and the movement faced many challengers. In the mean time many great demigods were aguishly waiting for the time when it would be safe to take birth but first the Iskcon movement would have to mature ‘with purified eyes open wide’ and advance past the pioneering years and bad habits and conditioning of the spiritually primitive materialistic 20th century indoctrination that the first generation came from. <o:p></o:p> Sometimes when the biological body begins to become cleansed of impurities of disease, boils, rashes, puss oozes from the skin all over ones body as the impurities within are expelled from the body. <o:p></o:p> Iskcon is therefore fortunate to realize the impurities in its pioneering years within 30 years of its creation. Establishments like the catholic and Protestant churches are still struggling with the hidden abuses that have been going on for hundreds of years, in fact now that such psychological, physical and sexual abuse and exploitation is out in the open, iskcon can lead the way in protecting the spiritual development of everyone. In this way pious personalities on this planet and celestial demigod personalities in the heavenly planets, will be attracted to take birth in Lord Chaitanyas Movement when the devotees have genuine knowledge, compassion and purity that is unadulterated without imitation or fear. Only when devotee families are pure enough can they genuinely offer protection from the ill effects of Kali-yuga (material science, exploitations and abuses) and protect women, children and the aging and attract great souls who will feel safe to come and take birth. <o:p></o:p> “It is those rare celestial entities from the heavenly planets that will choose to take birth on this planet when the time is right. There greatness will attract the inhabitants of this planet even more. <o:p></o:p> However, they will only come when pure Krishna Conscious devotion and the congregational chanting of Hare Krishna is established. Only then will they feel safe to take birth on their long awaited progressive march back home, back to Godhead. This is destined to happen in this Kali-yuga, if not by our generation then by a future generation<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Only when the altar housing Radha and Krishna and the beautiful Srimad Bhagavatam and Caitanya Caratamrita is in the main room of each householders home, instead of the TV set or the computer, can the real genuine compassionate, thoughtful, selfless and correct understanding of the shastra begin and all the abuses to ones self and to others completely stop. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> We should NEVER under estimate the chanting of Hare Krishna; it is very powerful for those who chant attentively regardless of how degraded and fallen they may have been. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> As devotees become stronger and selfless in the Krishna Consciousness, which I am convinced will happen within ISKCON in my lifetime, then higher advanced living entities (embodied jiva-souls in the heavenly planets) WILL come and take birth. They are presently left lined up in the heavenly realm waiting patiently right now, as Srila Prabhupada has told us, for the right devotional Krishna Conscious conditions that will assist and help awaken their ‘old’ Krishna Consciousness via Lord Chaitanya’s Sankirtan Movement. In turn those devotees will make devotees who have come up through the biological evolutionary process on this plant. In this way Lord Caitanya’s movement will attract those from the heavenly planets and those on this planet.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Our planet was previously blessed by the appearance of Lord Krishna Himself 500 years ago in the conjugal union of Radha and Krishna (The blissful form of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu) Such an appearance is very rare in the Kali-yuga, not every Kali-yuga gets to see Lord Caitanya therefore our Kali-yuga is exceptional. Even the most advance demigods on the higher planets hanker after taking birth here at the time of Lord Caitanya’s movement and even the most degraded are given a chance to give up their selfish exploitive sinful ways – <o:p></o:p> Do we really understand what Patita-pavana - deliverer of the fallen souls really means?. Do we really understand what Lord Chaitanya is offering - hate the sin and not the sinner. <o:p></o:p> If we build Lord Caitanya’s movement as it is by becoming more and more Krishna Conscious, then more and more advanced souls will consider if the conditions are safe enough to take birth and find shelter in Lord Caitanya’s ISKCON Movement<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON movement has been given the baton or responsibility given to him by his Spiritual Master; to deliver all embodied jiva-souls from all over the world. Ironically this movement would not even begin in India. This gift of Lord Caitanya would be taken to a far away land outside of India and then revived back in India by Europeans, Americans, Africans, Chinese, Australians, Russians etc. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Further more, the transcendental sound vibrations of the Hare Krishna Mantra would now be heard all over the planet, benefiting all the 8,400,000 species of biological bodies that have trapped the embodied jiva-souls for billions of earthly years. “Even a dog can benefit from this ISKCON Movement” Srila Prabhupada says to the purport to his famous Hare Krishna Maha-mantra chant recorded in 1966 <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Purity, mercy and maturity (Krishna Consciousness) is the force that will attract higher living entities from the heavenly planets to come and take shelter of genuine Krishna Conscious devotee householders who can facilitate a protective Krishna conscious basis, that shields them from the biological contamination, indoctrination and abuses (emotional psychological, sexual, technological and hypocritical), from this planets degraded age of Kali-yuga. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> ISKCON is like a lotus stem and flower struggling to grow out of such degradation of 20<SUP>th</SUP> century kali-yuga. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> How many of us understand Karma? Each of us is born into a situation we deserve according to karma and desire. Some devotees cannot understand this and think it is a cop-out and excuse for the sinful activity and abuse that has gone on in the name of Krishna. Many devotees will claim that ‘unscrupulous so called devotees’ will use that ‘karma argument’ to justify their selfish exploitive domineering activity however, such an excuse CAN NEVER excuse them or me for the punishment awaiting us for their lack of Krishna Conscious treatment of others. Ignorance is no excuse. Our only hope is to selflessly chant Hare Krishna and beg forgiveness from the devotees and keep begging until that day comes, even if it takes a lifetime or many life times. It is not up to Krishna but rather up to us to surrender to Krishna. Those who attempt to rationalize their sinful actions by using the karma argument, claiming we all get what we deserve anyway, should get off the mental platform and surrender to the mercy of genuine devotees. There is no excuse for sinful activity and exploiting others, even if they are the ‘instruments’ and deliver of the good or bad karma according to the embodied jiva-soul’s actions in a previous life. We may forget what we have done in this life or a previous life but the karma never forgets unless by the causeless mercy of a pure devotee of Krishna can uplift us out of the ethereal and biological containment that our nitya-baddha secondary consciousness has created and been riveted too. Ultimately it is our choice. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Many have misunderstood how karma works. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The word karma is self explanatory without the need of speculation - it simply means for every reaction there is a reaction and nothing happens by chance. A person who is born rich, poor, crippled, healthy, or a devotee in particular surroundings, time, place and circumstance IS due to karma. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The material illusionary dream, that is real but temporary and exists as a cloud in the Spiritual Sky called the maha-tattva, is the projected delirium of the marginal living entity in the nitya-baddha secondary consciousness. Our nitya-baddha dreaming consciousness is forgetful of our ‘svarupa’ body that is eternally in Goloka-Vrindavan serving Krishna in various rasas or pastimes. The marginal living entities rebellious desires are performed through the extended forgetful consciousness known as the transmitted nitya-baddha consciousness or the jiva-tattva. In other words, the material illusion is the exploitive dream of the nitya-baddha-consciousness. By somehow seriously and finally following the teachings and instructions of Srila Prabhupada, ones transmitted consciousness can again re-establish and reunite BACK with their ‘old’ original Krishna Consciousness, and again hook-up with their real eternal Krishna Conscious nitya-siddha svarupa bodily form that is always with Krishna in Goloka-Vrindavan. This begins by finding a pure devotee or his representative. My resent trip to India was very revealing the beautiful Mayapur Dharm was very inspiring. 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On many occasions Srila Prabhupada has said that our existence in the material world is so long that it seems we have come from tatastha and then throws his transcendental insight in the equation by saying that before that we also existed in another creation of matter and before that, and before that, and before that – how far can we go back? And he finishes by saying, before that even, we were with Krishna. His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada, the founder of the International Society or Krishna Consciousness. WE ALL ORIGINATED FROM GOLOKA Srila Prabhupada - “No one falls from Vaikuntha.” We really do not fall. We think we are fallen. But this just means we have forgotten our original situation and condition" Srila Prabhupada is very clear. Originally we have a direct personal relationship with Krishna in the spiritual world. But when we want to take Krishna’s position, we therefore put ourselves into a dreaming state due to our non-Krishna conscious choices. In this dreaming state after we enter the mahat-tattva dream of Maha-Vishnu that is a real but a perishable reality situated in one corner of the Brahmajyoti Spiritual Sky or creation, we choose to forget our actual position and thus are free to act out our non-Krishna conscious desire and dreams within the mahat-tattva cloud in our attempts to become the centre of attraction or in our attempt to even become a supreme enjoyer. These mistaken self centered choices or non Krishna conscious dreams are characterized as being “fallen” from our position in the spiritual world, but Srila Prabhupada explains that in Vaikuntha reality, beyond mundane time and space that governs the mahat-tattva, we are not fallen and our authentic bodily self is eternally there, “We are simply in a dreaming condition” explains Srila Prabhupada. When the dreaming nitya-siddha devotee's secondary consciousness (nitya-baddha) returns to his/hers original rasa bodily position after vacating ethereal and biological vessels kindly provided by Maha-Vishnu, they again re-establishes their full constitutional potential as ones genuine body serving Radha and Krishna. In this way, one will find themselve in the exact same Krishna Conscious position in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha as if they never left due to the absence of the divided time that exists only in the mahat-tattva. Such time and impermance has no influence in the eternity of Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha because it simply does not exist there. Everyones Krishna Conscious perpetual body is always in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha whether they believe this or not because ones rasa body is the orins of ones consciousness in the mahat-tattva. So once one gas returned to the everlasting Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha from the perishable mahat-tattva, it will be as they had never left, just like in a dream. Also when the light (nitya-siddha) is on, one can see who they really are because the darkness (nitya-baddha) that denied them the spiritual vision of seeing their perpetual rasa Krishna Conscious body is no longer there because in the presents of nitya-siddha bodily self, the counterfeit nitya-baddha material consciousness simply does not exist like darkness cannot exist in the presents of light. Understanding that our original sub-conscious fall down to the mahat-tattva is originally from our rasa body in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha, has also been endorsed in an English translation of Prema-pradipa by Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura, as well as an English translation of Sri Chaitanya’s Teachings by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Prabhupada, the Spiritual Mater of His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. “However, because of contact with matter, the imprisoned jiva-tattva or jiva-s’akti extended consciousness looses the memory of their original spiritual rasa bodily form in Vaikuntha. . . Material rasas are perverted reflections of the nitya-siddha-svarupa-atma-vigraha devotees’ original spiritual rasas.” Prema-pradipa, p. 83 Ramanuja Acharya also vigorously argues that the spiritual perpetual rasa body of the soul has always existed and that upon liberation, one once again attains that which has always existed. (Vs. 4.4.1) Our perpetual nitya-siddha-svarupa-atma-sat-cit-ananda-vigraha Krishna Conscious body does not fall and can never fall from Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha. We simply choose to do ‘our own thing’ and knowingly turn our back on Krishna and the perpetual body we serve Krishna as, because of the attachment to pursue our non-Krishna conscious dreams, desires and thoughts that put us in the centre instead of Krishna. This is why our dreaming condition is transferred to the mahat-tattva. Every marginal vigraha Krishna Conscious devotee that collectively appears in the Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha Spiritual Sky and appears to exist collectively as a bright personal effulgence emanating/surrounding Krishna’s beautiful body [Krishna's Supreme Vigraha body] that radiates the entire creation with (Brahmajyoti). The Impersonalist cannot understand this and how it is possible for the secondary conscious condition of the marginal atma-vigraha devotee’s can eventually manifest as the Impersonal aspect of that Brahmajyoti, it is simply based on the marginal living entities state on consciousness. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p>The secondary (mahat-tattva or material creation) and the Impersonal Brahmajyoti, tatastha Brahma-sayujya realms of creation of Lord Krishna, also originate from His marginal expansions in the Personal Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha Spiritual Sky, both the second and third aspect of ‘conscious projection’ are the manifestation of the secondary marginal conscious state of the atma-vigraha devotees, first passing through the tatastha realm on their way to the temporary active stage in the mahat-tattva confined to ethereal and biological counterfeit bodily vessels, and then back to the inactive state of tatastha consciousness or the so called Impersonal Brahmajyoti, free from ethereal and biological containers provided within the mahat-tattva however, this time they enter the tatastha foolishly believing it is their original conscious condition because of still denying they have a perpetual original svarupa body in Goloka from whence their secondary consciousness or lower self originates. <o:p> </o:p> </o:p> OUR ORIGINAL POSITION IS SERVING BEAUTIFUL RADHA AND KRISHNA IN GOLOKA-VRNDAVANA BY THE MERCY OF SRILA PRABHUPADA.

So what is the dark cloud that exists in one corner of the Spiritual Sky or Brahmajyoti that the Vedas call the material creation or mahat-tattva? Also what is the marginal potency or energy that radiates from Krishna’s beautiful body? The perishable cosmic manifestation or material creation (mahat-tattva) is simply the place where the dreaming consciousness of the marginal devotees goes when they choose to deny Krishna and the perpetual nitya-siddha-svarupa body they serve Krishna as. This inferior sub-conscious condition of the marginal nitya-siddha devotees is actually the manifestation of a secondary independent self called the nitya-baddha consciousness (sub-conscious dark side or half of the marginal living entities) The nitya-baddha dreams and desires are transferred as a life force, soul, jiva-tattva, jiva-s’akti, jiva-bhutah, jiva-prakriti etc that has substance and said to be ten thousandth the size of a tip of hair. These conscious projections transmitted from ones own nitya-siddha body in Goloka or Vaikuntha enters the mahat-tattva first in seed form (a spiritual spark of effulgent minute substance that IS the nitya-baddha consciousness with all its thoughts and dreams of grandeur) without any bodily form or ethereal covering. The nitya-baddha consciousness does not have any bodily form, it is simply dreaming consciousness presented to the mahat-tattva as a seed, spark or effulgence emanating from Goloka. Unlike the nitya-siddha-svarupa higher self of ones personality and identity that is eternally as a bodily form, the nitya-baddha consciousness can only be given a bodily form or vessel by Maha-Vishnu within the mahat-tattva, until then the nitya-baddha lower self is simply a spark of living consciousness situated within the body or thoughts of Maha-Vishnu waiting to be ‘planted’ (embodied) within His mahat-tattva creation. In this way when Maha-Vishnu glances over His material creation, He impregnates the mahat-tattva with His blue print of species of life then designates those bodily ethereal and biological vessels to the visiting bodiless nitya-baddha consciousness. In this way when one first enters the mahat-tattva, Maha-Vishnu provides them first with the bodily, vessel and post of Lord Brahma. When one first enters the mahat-tattva, Maha-Vishnu provides them first with the bodily vessel and post of Lord Brahma. The effulgence seen from the viewpoint of the mahat-tattva emanating from the Vaikunthas can also be the nitya-baddha conscious sparks or seeds entering the mahat-tattva and awaiting for Maha-Vishnu to give such ‘nitya-baddha sparks of consciousness’ bodily form. In this way the tranferral condition of consciousness is not the dormant tatastha conscious state achived after liberation from the mahat-tattva, achieved by those yogis who still deny they have a genuine transcendental body from whence they are dreaming their material existence and Impersonal escape from. The bodiless conscious condition (nitya-baddha) that firsts enters the mahat-tattva in the shape of a seed or living spark is the manifestation of dreams and desires to exploit the material creation yet has no body to fulfil those desires in until Maha-Vishnu plants them in the mahat-tattva (providing an ethereal vessels for the nitya-baddha consciousness to get around within His material creation - mahat-tattva) when he glances over the material creation. Therefore after first ‘sub-consciously’ leaving ones perpetual svarupa body in Goloka or Vaikuntha, the nitya-baddha dreaming conscious condition version of the ‘self’ passes through the intermediate state of existence (tatastha) that exists as a transitional zone between Vaikuntha and the mahat-tattva without any bodily form, awaiting for Maha-Vishnu to give reality and form to ones dreams. This secondary sub-conscious nitya-baddha version of the self manifests when one chooses to no longer remain Krishna Conscious. It is important to understand that the word marginal or subsidiary means all living entities or nitya-siddha-svarupa devotees, are Krishna’s secondary creation that is His surrounding Brahmajyoti effulgence or creation. The effulgence or marginal potency or energy emanating/surrounding Krishna, is created by Krishna with diversity that makes Krishna complete, in other word, every nitya-siddha devotee has a nitya-baddha lower self that can be activated when one no longer wants to be Krishna Conscious. For the reason of diversity and for Krishna the Supreme Lord to feel complete, all of Krishna’s marginal potency, which are all of His nitya-siddha-svarupa emanations, have their own individual two-fold consciousness or the ability to choose between their nitya-siddha Krishna Conscious original self or their nitya-baddha non-Krishna conscious counterfeit self. This means, even though everything is all the creation of Krishna, it is not some collective Borg (emotionless android assimilation) creation where everyone is assimilated into the devotional collective as a mindless servant. In fact those devotees who want to merge into body of Maha-Vishnu and just become an atom in His body are worse than the Mayavadi Impersonalists. The ultimate relationship with Krishna is not one of thoughtlessness, inactivity or mindless devotional activity; real Bhakti-yoga or devotional service is based on ever increasing thoughtful love or service one wants to do. The relation with the spiritual Master is based on reciprocation. Srila Prabhupada once said to a disciple ‘the love you give me is the love you will receive from me’ As a representative of Krishna and our guidance back to Krishna, Srila Prabhupada was simply illustrating the qualifications we need in order to re-establish our original position of servitude with Krishna that again qualifies us to re-establish and re-awaken back in our nitya-siddha-svarupa original bodily condition and fullness of consciousness (Krishna Consciousness) In this way all marginal living entities or beings (Krishna’s effulgence) do not have to remain as their original nitya-siddha-svarupa-vigraha body if they decide to choose they no longer want to be Krishna Conscious, however only 25% make this choice at a time (each time the mahat-tattva cloud appears in the Spiritual Sky) while some nitya-siddhas never ever activate their nitya-baddha lower self and enter the mahat-tattva, unless it is for Krishna Lila or pastimes. The important point made here is the nitya-siddha-svarupa devotees do not have to remain aware of their nitya-siddha-svarupa or their Krishna consciousness if they choose – this is what marginal means as Srila Prabhupada has explained. Marginal simply means the living entity has a two-fold ability, to choose either serving Krishna or serving the concoctions and dreams within ones sub-conscious mind. From the marginal living entities’ nitya-siddha original bodily (vigraha) source, their secondary consciousness (nitya-baddha) enters into the mahat-tattva as a dreaming conscious state called the jiva-tattva and is provided by the over Lord of the mahat-tattva, the sleeping and dreaming Maha-Vishnu, counterfeit imitation temporary bodily costumes as well as being eventually provided the yogic pathway out of the mahat-tattva incarceration to their impersonal Brahmajyoti dormant consciousness, if they choose to pursue the difficult path of Impersonalism (which is denying their svarupa body or source and origins of their projected nitya-baddha consciousness). The marginal nitya-siddhas sub-conscious ‘other self,’ or the nitya-baddha, sometimes manifests simply due to ‘choosing’ to activate that non-Krishna conscious secondary dreaming sub-consciousness, this right, even though the cause of much suffering for those who make that choice to ‘consciously’ leave Krishnas Personal association, is the endowed right of all marginal nitya-siddhas, although as the painting above illustrates, only 25% choose to get lost in their own sub-conscious dreaming nitya-baddha selfish desires. So there can naturally exist a dark shadow phenomenon within all marginal nitya-siddha beings that is simply activated by the choice to not serve Krishna. That ability to choose between light and darkness is what ‘marginal’ means. This dark shadow is called the nitya-baddha sub-consciousness and is where ones conscious awareness is restricted by their desire not to serve Krishna. Technically the activation of the nitya-baddha consciousness is the constitutional right all marginal beings. Within all marginal being is this duality of consciousness governed by the choice to serve or not serve Krishna. In this way all nitya-siddha beings have a nitya-baddha-shadow. All nitya-siddhas exist in their full constitutionally devotional unconditional position as eternal selfless humble servant of the servant of the servant of beautiful Krishna and can never fall down however, the Srimad Bhagavatam is very clear that 25% (as shown in the painting above) of all nitya-siddhas choose to activate their nitya-baddha sub-conscious dreaming condition and turn their back on Krishna and their eternal original perpetual bodily form and follow their nitya-baddha dreams that places them in the mahat-tattva or material creation. The dreaming condition of the nitya-siddhas’ in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha is just as real as the perpetual reality that exists there. In this way even though every marginal being or emanation from Krishna has an originally svarupa body, they can change that rasa bodily identity simple by dreaming of serving Krishna in different ways, a peacock, blade of grass a flower, a tree, a friend, a parent, uncle, teacher, cow herd boy, a flute, a chair Krishna sits on, a jewel on the clothing of Krishna, a gopi, etc, etc. Such understandings are very intimate and only understood as one advances in their Krishna Consciousness. In a similar way, when one stops dreaming of Krishna then those dreams manifest their existence in a separate reality that is not Krishna Conscious, this is how one enters the material creation or mahat-tattva, not as their svarupa body, but in the bodies the dream of. The individual marginal beings as their nitya-siddha-svarupa bodies are known collectively as the Brahman or Brahmajyoti living personal effulgence that surrounds and emanates from the transcendental body of Krishna the Supreme Personality of Godhead. This personal Brahmajyoti takes up 75% of all creation, where all the marginal bodily living entities display the full potential of their individuality and identity that is always Krishna Consciousness. These percentage numbers are hard to understand when there is no beginning or end to all creation however, this description is given in the Srimad Bhagavatam that gives one an idea how many stay in Goloka with Krishna and how many choose to go it alone (without personal awareness of Krishna) into the land of the dreaming or mahat-tattva. The marginal potency or energy of Krishnas’ effulgence is actually Krishnas’ nitya-siddha-svarupa-vigraha bodily servants that ARE the living effulgences that make up of the universe. Krishnas’ bodily effulgence, Brahmajyoti or Spiritual Sky IS their bodily Spiritual pure effulgence, originally, ultimately and unendingly. This wonderful living effulgence is simultaneously the bodily effulgence of God/Krishna and His nitya-siddha-svarupa perpetual devotees. Further more, the subsidiary or marginal nitya-siddha vigraha servants of Krishna’s entrance into the temporary material creation (mahat-tattva) are only possible from within their sub-conscious dreams (nitya-baddha conditional state) and never as their nitya-siddha-svarupa body. Such dreams are transferred as a secondary consciousness (jiva-tattva, jiva-s’akti, jiva bhutah, jiva-tatastha etc - collectively called the nitya-baddha lower self and is also the supply of consciousness that eventually can appear as the impersonal Brahmajyoti which is simply the dormant conscious condition of the nitya-baddha) It is important to remember that the ultimate source of all consciousness is the bodily effulgence of Krishna. The nitya-baddha dreaming sub-consciousness originates from ones perpetual svarupa or rasa body (nitya-siddha) in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha which is, along with other individuals, the marginal effulgence emanating/surrounding the Bodily Form of Krishna. This secondary dreaming conscious manifestation first possess counterfeit bodily vessels (nothing like ones permanent svarupa bodily form outside the mahat-tattva in Goloka or Vaikuntha) that are real but temporary, beginning with the ethereal body of Brahma within the material creation and then can devolve after billions of births within the mahat-tattva, to a state of inactive or dormant dreaming consciousness that is also known as jiva-tatastha consciousness. In other words the Impersonal Brahmajyoti is simply the inactive non-dreaming secondary condition or lower reality (marginal nitya-baddha) of the marginal nitya-siddha devotees, transmitted from the fullness of their marginal svarupa or rasa-atma-vigraha body that is eternally serving Krishna in unlimited Lila’s or past times. This secondary dreaming conscious manifestation first possess counterfeit bodily vessels that are real but temporary, beginning with the ethereal body of Brahma within the material creation. What is the Brahmajyoti and its shadow the Impersonal Brahmajyoti? And what are the nitya-siddha devotee’s and their nitya-baddha shadow? Remember it is important to understand that the marginal potency, energy or individual nitya-siddha-svarupa servants of Krishna ARE the fully active living effulgent Brahmajyoti in their original vigraha bodily Krishna Conscious condition serving Krishna in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha, where as the living Impersonal Brahmajyoti is simply the comatose sub-conscious dreaming condition (nitya-baddha) of the nitya-siddha devotee’s that eventually go on (after existing in ethereal and biological vessels within the mahat-tattva) to manifest collectively, if they continue to deny who they really are in relation to Krishna, as the collective effulgent Impersonal living Brahmajyoti or shadow of the Brahmajyoti. Therefore one must understand that the Impersonal Brahmajyoti is simply the transformation of the individual dreaming nitya-baddha sub-conscious condition of the marginal beings, that eventually (with great difficulty) find their way to the shut dormant mode of their own consciousness that is non other than the Impersonal Brahmajyoti. Only when the Impersonal jiva-tatastha dormant sub-conscious transformation occurs from the nitya-baddha material active embodied jiva-s’akti, or jiva-bhutah sub-conscious secondary condition of the marginal living entities, that ones individual conscious condition and awareness changes into the Impersonal Brahmajyoti aspect of their own consciousness. Only then can that secondary condition of the marginal living entities appear as an insignificant inactive dormant living spark of conscious transformation, due to denying that the origins of their tatastha consciousness originates from their own perpetual nitya-siddha-svarupa devotional bodily form in Goloka-Vrndavana. This dormant tatastha Impersonal aspect of the Brahmajyoti or ones own consciousness is situated between the Vaikuntha imperishable Spiritual Sky and the perishable mahat-tattva cloud also situated in the Spiritual Sky. This is the ultimate understanding of what the Brahmajyoti really is in its fullness. This is an important point to understand. Unfortunately many caste Goswami’s, brahmanas, big, big gurus, jnani’s, sadu’s and pandits who foolishly believe the origins of our consciousness (jiva-tattva) is from the Brahmajyoti (Impersonalists), instead of the correct understanding that our consciousness (jiva-tattva) originates from our perpetual individual svarupa body in Goloka-Vrndavana, will enviously criticise, ridicule and even violently threaten the real Personalist Vaishnava’s who concretely know that all of us have always been personalists, even though from time to time we choose to forget that Krishna Conscious Svarupa perpetual body in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha, which is the origin and source of our individual nitya-baddha consciousness whether in the mahat-tattva or the Impersonal Brahman/Brahmajyoti, Brahma-sayujya or tatastha. It is also said that the nitya-baddha shadow of the marginal nitya-siddha beings is where both the material mahat-tattva and the Impersonal Brahmajyoti come into existence. How this happens and fascilitated by Maha-Vishnu will be fully explained in this book.

After first choosing to extend ones nitya-baddha consciousness from their marginal nitya-siddha rasa body and 'sub-consciously' enter the mahat-tattva and then eventually surrender to a 'so called' devotee of Krishna with the desire to be assimilated into a state of total inactive bliss by becoming an atom at Krishnas' lotus feet, is not only selfish, but is another aspect of Impersonalism!! Such desires are denying ones original rasa body that is always fully active in the devotional service to Krishna. The nitya-siddha-svarupa body is the original position of all marginal living entities from whence they can choose to serve the rebellious desires or the lower sub-conscious nitya-baddha dreaming consciousness that all marginal living entities are endowed with as already explained. The fact is the only way to enter the mahat-tattva or material creation is to ‘consciously’ fall down from ones svarupa body in the Goloka-Vrndavana or Vaikuntha portion of the Spiritual Sky. The mahat-tattva is simply a place where the lower dreaming nitya-baddha conscious condition of the marginal living entity goes when they choose to ignore Krishna. The mahat-tattva dark cloud is where Maha-Vishnu is in a deep dreaming state; His dreams hold mostly the mistaken dream realities and desires of the marginal beings while in their nitya-baddha lower self. The nitya baddha sub-conscious condition of the marginal living entity is the rebellious dreams, thoughts, desires and impersonal escape of just a few (25%) of those eternal nitya-siddha-svarupa or atma-vigraha devotees. Krishna’s marginal potency or living entities all have a two-fold aspect to their existence. The highest and original constitution of the marginal energy is bodily form known as vigraha that is the embodiment of sat (eternity) cit (full knowledge) ananda (always blissful) in the service of Krishna. This bodily condition of the marginal beings is the full expression of their potential that is called - Nitya-siddha-svarupa One’s Krishna Conscious eternally positioned unique original personal bodily relationship with Krishna as an eternal servant that is without end in Goloka-Vrndavana, even if one has sub-consciously turned their back on Krishna to experience existence through their lower nitya-baddha sub-conscious self transmitted as non-Krishna conscious desires or thoughts that are clothed by ethereal and eventually biological bodies by Maha-Vishnu within His mahat-tattva. Ones original svarupa body is always in Goloka. On the other hand the marginal nitya-siddha devotional beings also have a secondary condition or nitya-baddha consciousness that can enter the dark cloud (mahat-tattva) situated in one corner of the Spiritual Sky or Brahmajyoti. The reason why the lower self or nitya-baddha consciousness enters the mahat-tattva or material creation is due to their desires not to be with Krishna as their devotional form or nitya-siddha-svarupa body. Such disloyal dreams, thoughts and desires are projected or transmitted as a ‘secondary consciousness’ (nitya-baddha) to that dark perishable cloud or mahat-tattva temporary material manifestation where they are then given counterfeit bodily material forms (ethereal and biological vessels) by the creator of that perishable place of the dreaming, Maha-Vishnu. The difference between the nitya-siddda-svarupa body and the nitya-baddha sub-conscious state is the nitya-siddha is perpetually a transcendental Krishna Conscious bodily form where as the nitya-baddha consciousness has no bodily form until it is provided one by Maha-Vishnu within the mahat-tattva. His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. Understanding the true origins of all living entities This book is based on the teachings of His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada on Krishna Consciousness. The difference between mental speculation and philosophical speculation is backing up ones realizations with quotes from Srila Prabhupada who is my eternal Spiritual Master. Unless one engages in philosophical speculation, just how will one formulate relevant questions to place before their guru and search through his teachings for correct meaning and understanding? Therefore the difference between philosophical and mental speculation is conclusions based on Srila Prabhupadas teachings (books, tapes and letters) that is handed down to our society in the 21^st Century, giving the correct meaning and translations of all previous Acharayas, further more, as Srila Prabhupada has said, no other books are necessary other than his teachings. In fact, even if other Vedic texts are read or translated, that includes the six Gosvami’s, Bhaktivinode Thakura and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Maharaja etc; such literatures are seen always through the explanations Srila Prabhupada has given us. Srila Prabhupadas' lectures, classes, morning walks, letters, tapes and books are the basis for understanding all previous Spiritual Masters. Devotees may read and translate ancient Sanskrit texts or recent Bengali and Hindu texts written by previous Acharyas however, such translations can only be properly seen through the teachings of Srila Prabhupada only and never through the teachings of others, including his godbrothers, god nephews, or even his own disciples who have gone outside of his teachings and have become polluted with contradictory views to the ‘Personal teachings’ of Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada has said on many occasions that everything we need to know is in his teachings and there is no need to read any other literature.The purpose of this, as Srila Prabhupada clearly explained, is to protect the sincere seeker of truth from the vague interpretations and apparent contradictions from other groups or camps polluted by their Impersonal belief that we all originated from the Brahmajyoti. All teachings of Impersonalism, Srila Prabhupada instructed his disciples, must be avoided. Srila Prabhupada is the 32nd Bonafide Spiritual Master in a line of disciplic succession that goes all the way back to Krishna. Srila Prabhupada has single headedly, unlike his godbrothers and even previous Acharayas, Sadu’s and Babajis spread the teachings of Lord Krishna and Sri Caitanya Maha Prabhu to every corner of the globe. Due to his endeavours and without any help from his Godbrothers in the Gaudiya math, the chanting of Hare Krishna and the distribution of his books has reached every city, town and village around the world, where Krishna has now become a household name. Some terms will be unfamiliar to many who read this book, however such terms are just another way to empathize the fact that we always have an original svarupa body in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha. The terms atma-vigraha or nitya-siddha-svarupa, jiva-atma-vigraha, jiva consciousness, or the secondary conscious state or lower-self, known of the nitya-baddha, is also known as the jiva-tattva, jiva-s’akti’ jiva-tatastha, jiva-prakriti etc depending on the conditional state of ones extended secondary consciousness one is ‘dreaming’ in. Such terms, even though unfamiliar to many of us, are just another way to empathize that we always have an original svarupa body serving Krishna in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha even if we are unaware of this fact due to our absorption in the nitya-baddha dreaming conscious condition that can only function in the mahat-tattva. The terminologies such as ‘atma-vigraha’ or ‘jiva-atma-vigraha’ are just another translation like that of German, Russian Chinese’s etc, of the teachings of Srila Prabhupada. The words atma (soul) vigraha (bodily form) is only establishing that the soul/jiva has an eternal imperishable body we call the nitya-siddha or svarupa body that is eternally Krishna Conscious in an atmosphere where no past or future exists because everything is in the perpetual present, as the Brahma Samhita teaches us. The difference between the nitya-siddda-svarupa body and the nitya-baddha sub-conscious state is the nitya-siddha is perpetually a transcendental Krishna Conscious bodily form where as the nitya-baddha consciousness has no bodily form until it is provided one by Maha-Vishnu within the mahat-tattva Mother Yasoda looks in to the mouth of her son Krishna and sees the entire creation of the Vaikuntha worlds as well as the mahat-tattva material creation This imperishable reality is beyond our material concept of temporary time and space. In fact the understanding in this book can only help many to further comprehend the true Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha origins of the life force or jiva-soul, instead of believing in the nonsense Brahmajyoti origins as propagated by the Buddhists, Impersonalists and other Vaishnava sects. This book also especially gives a crystal clear understanding of how the mahat-tattva (material creation) works, explaining the creator and facilitator of that ‘universe of the dreaming’; Maha-Vishnu. The imperishable Kingdom of Krishna/God (Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha) and perishable cosmic or material formation (mahat-tattva) are both Krishna’s creation. The effulgence surrounding and originating from Krishna is a bright all-pervasive living light called the Brahmajyoti as the Brahma-Samhita teaches us however, the foundation of that living light, Brahmajyoti, Spiritual Sky or the entire creation, is the unlimited marginal individual bodily atma-vigraha beings emanating from Krishnas' body as that perpetual Brahmajyoti. The living Brahmajyoti in not Impersonal, it is held together by form because Brahman or Brahmajyoti is the existence of innumerable bodily forms that are adjacent to Krishna’s Personal body or Vigraha Form. The Brahmajyoti effulgence, or all of Krishnas’ Vigraha expansions and marginal vigraha forms known as nitya-siddhas, have an eternal relationship of everlasting servitude to Krishna within either the central Goloka-Vrndavana Spiritual Sky or the surrounding Vaikunthas, or both! All marginal nitya-siddha forms are eternally subservant to Krishna and have 78% of the qualities of Krishna/God as their full potential nitya-siddha-svarupa-vigraha bodily self. Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the cause of all causes, as Srila Prabhupada has taught us from his presentation of the beautiful Srimad Bhagavatam, therefore the eternal unchanging Spiritual Sky (Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha) is where unlimited expansions of Krishna are forever joined in a relationship of loving devotion with His innumerable (countless) marginal perpetual Krishna Conscious bodily nitya-siddha forms. These bodily forms are the full Krishna Conscious potential of all marginal emanation within the imperishable timeless Spiritual Sky, Brahmajyoti or all creation. Krishna’s bodily Form and countless Vishnu Expansions, as well as His marginal potency or subsidiary vigraha devotee’s, ARE the entire source, or rather, IS the Brahmajyoti effulgence surrounding the Syamasundara form of Krishna. The dreaming Maha-Vishnu <table align="center"><tbody><tr><td> The difference between the nitya-siddda-svarupa body and the nitya-baddha sub-conscious state is the nitya-siddha is perpetually a transcendental Krishna Conscious bodily form where as the nitya-baddha consciousness has no bodily form until it is provided one by Maha-Vishnu within the mahat-tattva. The shadowy cloud that exists in one area of the Spiritual Sky or Brahmajyoti is just as much a mysterious phenomenon too many Sanskrit scholars as the dark holes in outer space are to modern quantum science of the 21^st century that material scientists are baffled by? Srila Prabhupada has given us the full explanation of that dark mahat-tattva cloud creation of Maha-Vishnu that exists in 25% of the Spiritual Sky, as illustrated on the cover of his beautiful Srimad Bhagavatam and in the painting above. This dark cloud (mahat-tattva) also illustrated above is where the sleeping Maha-Vishnu accommodates the mostly mistaken dreams of the marginal nitya-siddha devotees and is where their nitya-baddha consciousness goes to be material (ethereal and biological) perishable bodily form, such bodies or vessels are part and parcel of the mahat-tattva and always belong to Maha-Vishnu. He provides such costumes so that the visiting nitya-baddha consciousness or jiva-tattva can exist in the mahat-tattva and attempt to satisfy their non-Krishna conscious dreams, thoughts and desires. </td></tr></tbody></table>

The other day I was writing three or four posts at once and was too hast in my response. A clearer and more correct response to your comment, is that it can also appear as a ten minute 'day dream' as described by Suhotra Prabhu's who' s understanding in 'Our Original Position' explains this subject matter in his ISKCON authorized book that has been a great inspiration for myself and many other devotees in understanding this subject. I therefore apologise prabhu for being blunt in my last post, I am only in the very beginning stages of understanding this subject matter however, I am already completely convienced by Srila Prabhupada that we all originated from either Goloka or Vaikuntha.

The answer is no, the spiritual atmosphere is not goverened by time and space like it is in the material creation, Everything there is eternal without decay and so is time. As the Brahma Samhita tells us, there is no past or future, only the eternal present exists in both Goloka and Vaikuntha, therefore your moment of self desire or inattentiveness is exactly that, no more than a moment. In other words when we return to our svarupa body that is always serving Krishna, it will as if we never left.

THE SECRET VEDIC BOOK OF ORIGINS FINALLY RELEASED . Quantum physics or the science of possibilities revealed on the highest level. The mysterious origin of the soul is now within our grasp of understanding. Gods/Krishna's creation of the Krishna Conscious Spiritual Sky and the mostly non-Krishna conscious material creation (mahat-tattva) situated in one corner of the Spiritual Sky or Brahmajyoti facilitated by the dreaming Maha-Vishnu expansion of the Godhead. The following book is a concluding confirmation as clearly explained by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, that the jiva/souls (all of Gods/Krishnas’ subsidiary, marginal living beings or all living entities) manifests originally and perpetually as a bodily (vigraha) servant of the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Krishna (The Supreme Vigraha or Bodily Form) that can never vacate from Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha (the perpetual Kingdom of God/Krishna) as their perpetual rasa (devotional mood) bodily serving Krishna. In a Nectar of Devotion lecture given on October 23, 1972, in Vrndavana, India, Srila Prabhupada explains: “We should be always ready to offer respect to all, not only devotees, but everyone. Everyone! Why? Because every living entity is originally a devotee of Krishna. But circumstantially, being covered by the coat of Maya, he’s playing like demon. But his original nature is a devotee of Krishna. Jivera svarupa haya nitya krsnera dasa. Everyone is eternally servant of Krishna. But being influenced by Maya, when he gets this body, given by Maya...Prakrtih kriyamananih gunaih karmani sarvasah, when he conducted by the three gunas of maya, he thinks himself otherwise.” In a lecture on the Bhagavad-gita given in London on August 6, 1973, Srila Prabhupada further explains: “We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago” The Jiva-soul: Its Origin, Nature, And Potentialities The beautiful Srimad Bhagavatam teaches us that the perpetual Kingdom of Radha and Krishna, known as Krishna-Loka or Goloka-Vrndavana, is the original source of all creation and all living entities. This central planet further radiates an effulgence that encircles the Goloka-Vrndavana Planet with the imperishable Vishnu-Loka or the Vaikuntha Planets, where Krishna’s innumerable (countless) expansions of Vishnu and Lakshmi reside, along with their infinite number of devotee’s (known as Krishna’s marginal potency or individual bodily servants) takes up 75% of the immortal Spiritual Sky or total creation. Krishna’s planet is centered above in the red lotus flower and surrounded by unlimited expansions of Vishnu and Lakshmi in their surrounding yellow Vaikuntha planets. Both these transcendental abodes are made up of living vigraha (bodily) all-attractive conscious beings, individual entities, who are the bodily radiance of Krishna, serving the Supreme Vigraha Lord Krishna or His Lord Vishnu Expansions as their own infinitesimal vigraha bodies. It is also very important to understand in our present impersonal mundane religious and technological world, that all of us are originally individual perpetual bodily personalities; we are collectively and independently Krishna’s marginal potency in our everlasting original vigraha bodily position serving Krishna. Just like one cannot separate the Sun from the sunrays, the marginal living beings and Krishna are never separated. That analogy can be misleading because we certainly in no way resemble a spark or ray of sunlight and Krishna is certainly not a blazing Sun. Krishna has an eternal bodily form and so does all of His marginal radiance of countless individual personalities. Unfortunately many in various so-called Hindu and Vaishnava sects in India cannot understand this fact due to being polluted by Impersonalism. Through the teachings of Srila Prabhupada, we can understand we are collectively and independently Krishna’s marginal potency in our everlasting original bodily position serving Krishna. Being marginal means we can choose to remain as we really are as our full Krishna Conscious svarupa body, or consciously drift from that body and enter the material creation, not as our eternal devotional body, but as a conscious projection that creates its own counterfeit bodily forms facilitated by the creator of the material creation, Maha-Vishnu. No material energy (Maha-Maya) can exist in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha; therefore it is impossible to forget Krishna, so how does one fall down? The simple answer is they choose to leave, Srila Prabhupada explains that the tendency is there with all nitya-siddha devotees, because of being marginal energy of the Lord, to either stay with Krishna or reject him due to independent desires. Srila Prabhupada goes on to explain that actually no-one falls down because their svarupa body never leaves Goloka-Vrndavana and that that only ‘think’ they are fallen or ‘dream’ they are fallen but in perpetual reality one can never fall down. This understanding of ‘vigraha’ (bodily form) is the highest realization of how all marginal living entities perpetually and originally existed – sat-cit-ananda-vigraha. Krishna’s marginal potency or the nitya-siddha-svarupa or sat-cit-ananda-vigraha devotee’s can never fall down as their original bodily devotional self because of the perpetual uninterrupted nature of the Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha Spiritual Sky that is set in the eternal present beyond the concept of past and future (75% of the Spiritual Sky or Brahmajyoti). In one corner of the painting above, one can see the less significant and smaller mahat-tattva unpreserved cloud, also in that Spiritual Sky. This dark cloud is the perishable material universe divided by past, present and future time zones existing in unlimited dimensions of sub-space (where ethereal vessels for both heavenly and hellish planets exist) universes and secular (biological worlds like our own planet) is only 25% of creation. Unfortunately there are some Vaishnava schools of thought who teach that the soul emanates from the brahmajyoti, which they foolishly claim, is living and growing from within itself. They claim that within the brahmajyoti is the source and impersonal origins of all marginal living entities that come to exist due to their equilibrium being somehow disturbed with the purpose of causing original activity to begin (a very vague impersonal statement), claiming that from non-differentiation in the Brahmajyoti, demarcation or separation from the Brahmajyoti begins and from there they have to work their way to Goloka that has never previously been seen by them. They finally believe that once reaching Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha, it is impossible to again fall down into the mahat-tattva unless they enter the mahat-tattva for Krishna Lila. The fact is what they actually believe in and preach to others is nonsense Impersonalism because they do not understand they have a permanent original body in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha from where their present nitya-baddha deluded dreaming consciousness originates. Many advanced Vaishnava’s in various sects’ including some Gaudiya Vaishnavas and even some ISKCON devotees wrongly claim that from a plain or bare sheet of uniform consciousness their individual consciousness grows and comes into existence. Such Impersonalism goes against the teachings of Srila Prabhupada and denies the true facts of ones origins which are from ones marginal Krishna Conscious nitya-siddha-svarupa body that is always in the perpetual Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha Spiritual Sky and can never fall down as previously explained. One only thinks they are fallen or dreams they are fallen, but actually their svarupa body never falls down. Rather it is ones independent non-Krishna conscious thinking and ones self absorbed ‘dreaming’ thoughts of grandeur that transfer ones awareness of their surroundings to the restricted mahat-tattva as Srila Prabhupada has clearly explained. This restricted conscious awareness or the dreaming condition of the marginal nitya-siddha-svarupa living entity is called the marginal nitya-baddha sub-consciousness. Mayavadis or Impersonalist cannot understand this simple explanation of what is really going on in Krishna’s/Gods creation.The Impersonalist understanding today is rampant and affecting many Vaishnava sects who wrongly believe that the jiva/soul becomes conscious after originally ‘falling out’ of the Brahmajyoti and then ‘somehow’ becomes endowed with free will. The ‘Impersonalist Brahmajyoti-origin believers’ also incorrectly believe the nitya-baddha jiva/souls have never previously seen Krishna however, their Impersonal understanding obstructs them from understanding that long, long, long before entering the Impersonal Brahmajyoti or Brahma-sayujya or tatastha individual dormant consciousness, they had first chose to extend from their nitya-siddha-svarupa body in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha. Only their nitya-baddha sub-conscious desires and non-Krishna conscious dreams first enter the mahat-tattva creation of the dreaming governed by Maha-Vishnu, who provides bodily vessels so their dreams are fulfilled that goes on for millions upon millions of births until eventually reaching that Impersonal Brahmajyoti aspect of ones nitya-baddha consciousness that is called the jiva-tatastha. The Impersonal Brahmajyoti effulgence is simply creations of the marginal living entities lower-self or nitya-baddha non-devotional consciousnesses that originates from Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha Spiritual Sky or Brahmajyoti and ultimately originate as the fully developed svarupa living entity that IS the magnificent effulgence emanating/surrounding Krishna. (How this happens will be clearly explained over the next few chapters). So the correct meaning of the word marginal means one can choose to either be on the side of exploitation (nitya-baddha sub-conscious dreaming position that can only exist in the mahat-tattva) or always remain as ones nitya-siddha-svarupa Krishna Conscious body in Goloka on the side of perpetual dedication and devotion to Krishna. Srila Prabhupada - “Because he falls down from Brahma-sayujya (tatastha-s’akti, Impersonal Brahmajyoti or Brahman consciousness condition of the life force), he thinks that may be his origin, but he does not remember that long, long, long, long ago before that even, he was with Krishna”. Srila Prabhupada – “Originally we have a direct personal relationship with Krishna in the spiritual world. But when we want to take Krishna’s position, we therefore put ourselves into a dreaming state due to our non-Krishna conscious choices. In this dreaming state, we enter the mahat-tattva dream of Maha-Vishnu that is a real but a perishable reality that exists in a temporary state in one corner of the Spiritual Sky, Brahmajyoti or creation”. Srila Prabhupada -“We forget our actual positionand thus are free to act out our desire and dreams in our attempts to become the supreme enjoyer. These mistaken self centered choices or non-Krishna conscious dreams are characterized as being “fallen” from our position in the spiritual world but actually we are not fallen, we are simply in a dreaming consciousness that originates from our nitya-siddha body, those dreams are called the nitya-baddha or materially conditioned consciousness”

Srila Prabhupada clearly explains that in Vaikuntha beyond mundane time and space that governs the mahat-tattva, we are not fallen, we are simply dreaming from our nitya-siddha body, those dreams are called the nitya-baddha consciousness. THE DREAMING MAHA-VISHNU AND HIS MAHAT-TATTVA UNIVERSES Maha-Vishnu above is lying down resting and dreaming within His mahat-tattva creation. His dreams facilities the dreaming marginal living entities when they choose to ignore their perpetual Krishna Conscious nitya-siddha-svarupa body, therefore, more or less, their separation from Krishna is compared to a dream that is temporary but very real. In this way the marginal beings withdrawals deep within their own sub-consciousness that takes them to the mahat-tattva creation of Maha-Vishnu and forgets their perpetual nitya-siddha-svarupa-rasa beautiful body that is eternally serving Krishna. ·Nitya means always eternally positioned. ·Siddha meansthe imperishable perfection of ones marginal constitution or eternally liberated. ·Svarupa meansone's perpetual own form, shape or body. ·Rasa meansthe best, finest and most important part of ones existence which one performs eternally from the highest position of selfless service to Krishna and His devotees, this essence of ones marginal constitution that allows the freedom of choice also eternally enriches ones rasa relationship with Krishna to reciprocate and never ever stands still. The freedom of choice Krishna gives all marginal beings allows them to surrender unconditionally over and over again by eternally expanding their loving devotion moods within unlimited relationships in an atmosphere that is eternally in the present, beyond the mundane time that can only exist in the mahat-tattva. This is the absolute reason Krishna gives choose to the marginal living entities. Unfortunately the ability in choosing how to please Krishna can also be misused which in a sad way gives authenticity to Krishna granting free will in the first place to all His marginal living entities. To choose either ones full potential nitya-siddha-svarupa original self, or choose the sub-conscious secondary nitya-baddha non-Krishna conscious dream state. The marginal living entities position of ‘choice’ allows one to therefore increase ones love for Krishna or forget Krishna and ones svarupa body altogether and instead takes shelter in the indefinite or shadowy nitya-baddha sub-conscious dreaming condition that can only exist as the jiva-tattva etc within the mahat-tattva. ·Nitya means always eternally positioned. ·Baddhameans eternally conditioned by NON-Krishna conscious desires and dreams of greatness that can only be fulfilled within the mahat-tattva (material creation) by Maha-Vishnu. The nitya-siddha-svarupa body and the nitya-baddha lower sub-conscious dreaming condition are part and parcel of all individual marginal beings or emanations radiating from Krishna as His Brahmajyoti effulgence. Just like every body has a shadow, every marginal nitya-siddha-svarupa devotee has a marginal nitya-baddha-sub-conscious condition only activated into existence by choosing to no longer stay with Krishna. It’s just like darkness is initiated by choosing to turn of the light in your house. This simply means all marginal living entities have the choice to accept whom they really are in the light serving Krishna as their nitya-siddha svarupa body or rasa body, or drift off into an egocentric dream of darkness where they ignore that eternal svarupa body. The nitya-baddha dreaming consciousness that enters the mahat-tattva or material creation emanates from 25% of the marginal nitya-siddha beings in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha who choose to ignore their nitya-siddha higher perpetual Krishna Conscious bodily self and opt for the sub-conscious nitya-baddha lower dreams created by their non-Krishna Conscious desires. In this way ones dreaming consciousness enters the dark cloud in the Spiritual Sky called the mahat-tattva. It must be made clear that all ‘life’ that enters the mahat-tattva originates from Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha, such ‘life’ that enters the mahat-tattva is the nitya-baddha consciousness (jiva-tattva, jiva-s’akti/ jiva-bhutah, jiva-prakriti etc) that originates as the sub-conscious condition of the nitya-siddha-svarupa devotees or marginal living entities. In other words the mahat-tattva is simply the place where the marginal living entities go when they choose to drift off into a non-Krishna conscious dream. In this way the marginal living entities in their nitya-baddha dreaming spasmodic consciousness, enters the dreams of Maha-Vishnu within the perishable and impermanent mahat-tattva and in the process, forgets the higher self of their marginal personality (nitya-siddha-svarupa body) What does marginal mean? To create the reality of free will and loving devotion that never ever remains stagnant in bliss or just being ‘assimilated’ into the Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha realm as a loving android of Krishna’s, the marginal living entities are all created with two-fold levels of consciousness. The nitya-siddha-svarupa consciousness is in the form of an eternal rasa Krishna Conscious body where the choice is always there to forever increase ones devotion to Krishna however, to make that choice factual and a genuine exchange of love rather than a mechanical mindless response, there is also the ability in all marginal living entities to choose their non-Krishna lower nitya-baddha condition of their marginal personality. This is why all living marginal entities in Vaikuntha can ‘consciously’ fall down from their perpetual body in Goloka-Vrndavana or Vaikuntha simply because of the way Krishna created all marginal living beings - with free will that makes ones love for Krishna real instead of mechanical. After first choosing to extend ones consciousness from their rasa body and enter the mahat-tattva and them eventually surrender to a pure devotee of Krishna with the desire to be assimilated in total inactive bliss and become an atom at Krishnas lotus feet, is not only selfish but is Impersonalism!! Such desires is denying ones original rasa body or original position from whence their rebellious desires or nitya-baddha consciousness originated from in Goloka. The fact is the only way to enter the mahat-tattva or material creation is to ‘consciously’ fall down from their svarupa body in the Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha portion of the Spiritual Sky. The mahat-tattva dark cloud is where Maha-Vishnu is in a deep dreaming state; His dreams hold mostly the mistaken dream realities and desires of the marginal beings while in their nitya-baddha lower self. The nitya baddha sub-conscious condition of the marginal living entity is the rebellious dreams, thoughts, desires and impersonal escape of just a few (25%) of those eternal nitya-siddha-svarupa or atma-vigraha devotees. Krishna’s marginal potency or living entities all have a two-fold aspect to their existence. The highest and original constitution of the marginal energy is bodily form known as vigraha that is the embodiment of sat (eternity) cit (full knowledge) ananda (always blissful) in the service of Krishna. This bodily condition of the marginal beings is the full expression of their potential that is called - Nitya-siddha-svarupa One’s Krishna Conscious eternally positioned unique original personal bodily relationship with Krishna as an eternal servant that is without end in Goloka-Vrndavana, even if one has sub-consciously turned their back on Krishna to experience existence through their lower nitya-baddha sub-conscious self transmitted as non-Krishna conscious desires or thoughts that are clothed by ethereal and eventually biological bodies by Maha-Vishnu within His mahat-tattva. Ones original svarupa body is always in Goloka. On the other hand the marginal nitya-siddha devotional beings also have a secondary condition or nitya-baddha consciousness that can enter the dark cloud (mahat-tattva) situated in one corner of the Spiritual Sky or Brahmajyoti. The reason why the lower self or nitya-baddha consciousness enters the mahat-tattva or material creation is due to their desires not to be with Krishna as their devotional form or nitya-siddha-svarupa body. Such disloyal dreams, thoughts and desires are projected or transmitted as a ‘secondary consciousness’ (nitya-baddha) to that dark perishable cloud or mahat-tattva temporary material manifestation where they are then given counterfeit bodily material forms (ethereal and biological vessels) by the creator of that perishable place of the dreaming, Maha-Vishnu.

The difference between the nitya-siddda-svarupa body and the nitya-baddha sub-conscious state is the nitya-siddha is perpetually a transcendental Krishna Conscious bodily form where as the nitya-baddha consciousness has no bodily form until it is provided one by Maha-Vishnu within the mahat-tattva. His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. Understanding the true origins of all living entities This book is based on the teachings of His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada on Krishna Consciousness. The difference between mental speculation and philosophical speculation is backing up ones realizations with quotes from Srila Prabhupada who is my eternal Spiritual Master. Unless one engages in philosophical speculation, just how will one formulate relevant questions to place before their guru and search through his teachings for correct meaning and understanding? Therefore the difference between philosophical and mental speculation is conclusions based on Srila Prabhupadas teachings (books, tapes and letters) that is handed down to our society in the 21<SUP>st</SUP> Century, giving the correct meaning and translations of all previous Acharayas, further more, as Srila Prabhupada has said, no other books are necessary other than his teachings. In fact, even if other Vedic texts are read or translated, that includes the six Gosvami’s, Bhaktivinode Thakura and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Maharaja etc; such literatures are seen always through the explanations Srila Prabhupada has given us. Srila Prabhupadas' lectures, classes, morning walks, letters, tapes and books are the basis for understanding all previous Spiritual Masters. Devotees may read and translate ancient Sanskrit texts or recent Bengali and Hindu texts written by previous Acharyas however, such translations can only be properly seen through the teachings of Srila Prabhupada only and never through the teachings of others, including his godbrothers, god nephews, or even his own disciples who have gone outside of his teachings and have become polluted with contradictory views to the ‘Personal teachings’ of Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada has said on many occasions that everything we need to know is in his teachings and there is no need to read any other literature.The purpose of this, as Srila Prabhupada clearly explained, is to protect the sincere seeker of truth from the vague interpretations and apparent contradictions from other groups or camps polluted by their Impersonal belief that we all originated from the Brahmajyoti. All teachings of Impersonalism, Srila Prabhupada instructed his disciples, must be avoided. Srila Prabhupada is the 32nd Bonafide Spiritual Master in a line of disciplic succession that goes all the way back to Krishna. Srila Prabhupada has single headedly, unlike his godbrothers and even previous Acharayas, Sadu’s and Babajis spread the teachings of Lord Krishna and Sri Caitanya Maha Prabhu to every corner of the globe. Due to his endeavours and without any help from his Godbrothers in the Gaudiya math, the chanting of Hare Krishna and the distribution of his books has reached every city, town and village around the world, where Krishna has now become a household name. Some terms will be unfamiliar to many who read this book, however such terms are just another way to empathize the fact that we always have an original svarupa body in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha. The terms atma-vigraha or nitya-siddha-svarupa, jiva-atma-vigraha, jiva consciousness, or the secondary conscious state or lower-self, known of the nitya-baddha, is also known as the jiva-tattva, jiva-s’akti’ jiva-tatastha, jiva-prakriti etc depending on the conditional state of ones extended secondary consciousness one is ‘dreaming’ in. Such terms, even though unfamiliar to many of us, are just another way to empathize that we always have an original svarupa body serving Krishna in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha even if we are unaware of this fact due to our absorption in the nitya-baddha dreaming conscious condition that can only function in the mahat-tattva. The terminologies such as ‘atma-vigraha’ or ‘jiva-atma-vigraha’ are just another translation like that of German, Russian Chinese’s etc, of the teachings of Srila Prabhupada. The words atma (soul) vigraha (bodily form) is only establishing that the soul/jiva has an eternal imperishable body we call the nitya-siddha or svarupa body that is eternally Krishna Conscious in an atmosphere where no past or future exists because everything is in the perpetual present, as the Brahma Samhita teaches us. The difference between the nitya-siddda-svarupa body and the nitya-baddha sub-conscious state is the nitya-siddha is perpetually a transcendental Krishna Conscious bodily form where as the nitya-baddha consciousness has no bodily form until it is provided one by Maha-Vishnu within the mahat-tattva Mother Yasoda looks in to the mouth of her son Krishna and sees the entire creation of the Vaikuntha worlds as well as the mahat-tattva material creation This imperishable reality is beyond our material concept of temporary time and space. In fact the understanding in this book can only help many to further comprehend the true Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha origins of the life force or jiva-soul, instead of believing in the nonsense Brahmajyoti origins as propagated by the Buddhists, Impersonalists and other Vaishnava sects. This book also especially gives a crystal clear understanding of how the mahat-tattva (material creation) works, explaining the creator and facilitator of that ‘universe of the dreaming’; Maha-Vishnu. The imperishable Kingdom of Krishna/God (Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha) and perishable cosmic or material formation (mahat-tattva) are both Krishna’s creation. The effulgence surrounding and originating from Krishna is a bright all-pervasive living light called the Brahmajyoti as the Brahma-Samhita teaches us however, the foundation of that living light, Brahmajyoti, Spiritual Sky or the entire creation, is the unlimited marginal individual bodily atma-vigraha beings emanating from Krishnas' body as that perpetual Brahmajyoti. The living Brahmajyoti in not Impersonal, it is held together by form because Brahman or Brahmajyoti is the existence of innumerable bodily forms that are adjacent to Krishna’s Personal body or Vigraha Form. The Brahmajyoti effulgence, or all of Krishnas’ Vigraha expansions and marginal vigraha forms known as nitya-siddhas, have an eternal relationship of everlasting servitude to Krishna within either the central Goloka-Vrndavana Spiritual Sky or the surrounding Vaikunthas, or both! All marginal nitya-siddha forms are eternally subservant to Krishna and have 78% of the qualities of Krishna/God as their full potential nitya-siddha-svarupa-vigraha bodily self. Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the cause of all causes, as Srila Prabhupada has taught us from his presentation of the beautiful Srimad Bhagavatam, therefore the eternal unchanging Spiritual Sky (Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha) is where unlimited expansions of Krishna are forever joined in a relationship of loving devotion with His innumerable (countless) marginal perpetual Krishna Conscious bodily nitya-siddha forms. These bodily forms are the full Krishna Conscious potential of all marginal emanation within the imperishable timeless Spiritual Sky, Brahmajyoti or all creation. Krishna’s bodily Form and countless Vishnu Expansions, as well as His marginal potency or subsidiary vigraha devotee’s, ARE the entire source, or rather, IS the Brahmajyoti effulgence surrounding the Syamasundara form of Krishna.

The dreaming Maha-Vishnu <TABLE align=center><TBODY><TR><TD> The difference between the nitya-siddda-svarupa body and the nitya-baddha sub-conscious state is the nitya-siddha is perpetually a transcendental Krishna Conscious bodily form where as the nitya-baddha consciousness has no bodily form until it is provided one by Maha-Vishnu within the mahat-tattva. The shadowy cloud that exists in one area of the Spiritual Sky or Brahmajyoti is just as much a mysterious phenomenon too many Sanskrit scholars as the dark holes in outer space are to modern quantum science of the 21<SUP>st</SUP> century that material scientists are baffled by? Srila Prabhupada has given us the full explanation of that dark mahat-tattva cloud creation of Maha-Vishnu that exists in 25% of the Spiritual Sky, as illustrated on the cover of his beautiful Srimad Bhagavatam and in the painting above. This dark cloud (mahat-tattva) also illustrated above is where the sleeping Maha-Vishnu accommodates the mostly mistaken dreams of the marginal nitya-siddha devotees and is where their nitya-baddha consciousness goes to be material (ethereal and biological) perishable bodily form, such bodies or vessels are part and parcel of the mahat-tattva and always belong to Maha-Vishnu. He provides such costumes so that the visiting nitya-baddha consciousness or jiva-tattva can exist in the mahat-tattva and attempt to satisfy their non-Krishna conscious dreams, thoughts and desires. So what is the dark cloud that exists in one corner of the Spiritual Sky or Brahmajyoti that the Vedas call the material creation or mahat-tattva? Also what is the marginal potency or energy that radiates from Krishna’s beautiful body? The perishable cosmic manifestation or material creation (mahat-tattva) is simply the place where the dreaming consciousness of the marginal devotees goes when they choose to deny Krishna and the perpetual nitya-siddha-svarupa body they serve Krishna as. This inferior sub-conscious condition of the marginal nitya-siddha devotees is actually the manifestation of a secondary independent self called the nitya-baddha consciousness (sub-conscious dark side or half of the marginal living entities) The nitya-baddha dreams and desires are transferred as a life force, soul, jiva-tattva, jiva-s’akti, jiva-bhutah, jiva-prakriti etc that has substance and said to be ten thousandth the size of a tip of hair. These conscious projections transmitted from ones own nitya-siddha body in Goloka or Vaikuntha enters the mahat-tattva first in seed form (a spiritual spark of effulgent minute substance that IS the nitya-baddha consciousness with all its thoughts and dreams of grandeur) without any bodily form or ethereal covering. The nitya-baddha consciousness does not have any bodily form, it is simply dreaming consciousness presented to the mahat-tattva as a seed, spark or effulgence emanating from Goloka. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Unlike the nitya-siddha-svarupa higher self of ones personality and identity that is eternally as a bodily form, the nitya-baddha consciousness can only be given a bodily form or vessel by Maha-Vishnu within the mahat-tattva, until then the nitya-baddha lower self is simply a spark of living consciousness situated within the body or thoughts of Maha-Vishnu waiting to be ‘planted’ (embodied) within His mahat-tattva creation. In this way when Maha-Vishnu glances over His material creation, He impregnates the mahat-tattva with His blue print of species of life then designates those bodily ethereal and biological vessels to the visiting bodiless nitya-baddha consciousness. In this way when one first enters the mahat-tattva, Maha-Vishnu provides them first with the bodily, vessel and post of Lord Brahma. When one first enters the mahat-tattva, Maha-Vishnu provides them first with the bodily vessel and post of Lord Brahma. The effulgence seen from the viewpoint of the mahat-tattva emanating from the Vaikunthas can also be the nitya-baddha conscious sparks or seeds entering the mahat-tattva and awaiting for Maha-Vishnu to give such ‘nitya-baddha sparks of consciousness’ bodily form. In this way the tranferral condition of consciousness is not the dormant tatastha conscious state achived after liberation from the mahat-tattva, achieved by those yogis who still deny they have a genuine transcendental body from whence they are dreaming their material existence and Impersonal escape from. The bodiless conscious condition (nitya-baddha) that firsts enters the mahat-tattva in the shape of a seed or living spark is the manifestation of dreams and desires to exploit the material creation yet has no body to fulfil those desires in until Maha-Vishnu plants them in the mahat-tattva (providing an ethereal vessels for the nitya-baddha consciousness to get around within His material creation - mahat-tattva) when he glances over the material creation. Therefore after first ‘sub-consciously’ leaving ones perpetual svarupa body in Goloka or Vaikuntha, the nitya-baddha dreaming conscious condition version of the ‘self’ passes through the intermediate state of existence (tatastha) that exists as a transitional zone between Vaikuntha and the mahat-tattva without any bodily form, awaiting for Maha-Vishnu to give reality and form to ones dreams. This secondary sub-conscious nitya-baddha version of the self manifests when one chooses to no longer remain Krishna Conscious. It is important to understand that the word marginal or subsidiary means all living entities or nitya-siddha-svarupa devotees, are Krishna’s secondary creation that is His surrounding Brahmajyoti effulgence or creation. The effulgence or marginal potency or energy emanating/surrounding Krishna, is created by Krishna with diversity that makes Krishna complete, in other word, every nitya-siddha devotee has a nitya-baddha lower self that can be activated when one no longer wants to be Krishna Conscious. For the reason of diversity and for Krishna the Supreme Lord to feel complete, all of Krishna’s marginal potency, which are all of His nitya-siddha-svarupa emanations, have their own individual two-fold consciousness or the ability to choose between their nitya-siddha Krishna Conscious original self or their nitya-baddha non-Krishna conscious counterfeit self. This means, even though everything is all the creation of Krishna, it is not some collective Borg (emotionless android assimilation) creation where everyone is assimilated into the devotional collective as a mindless servant. In fact those devotees who want to merge into body of Maha-Vishnu and just become an atom in His body are worse than the Mayavadi Impersonalists. The ultimate relationship with Krishna is not one of thoughtlessness, inactivity or mindless devotional activity; real Bhakti-yoga or devotional service is based on ever increasing thoughtful love or service one wants to do. The relation with the spiritual Master is based on reciprocation. Srila Prabhupada once said to a disciple ‘the love you give me is the love you will receive from me’ As a representative of Krishna and our guidance back to Krishna, Srila Prabhupada was simply illustrating the qualifications we need in order to re-establish our original position of servitude with Krishna that again qualifies us to re-establish and re-awaken back in our nitya-siddha-svarupa original bodily condition and fullness of consciousness (Krishna Consciousness) In this way all marginal living entities or beings (Krishna’s effulgence) do not have to remain as their original nitya-siddha-svarupa-vigraha body if they decide to choose they no longer want to be Krishna Conscious, however only 25% make this choice at a time (each time the mahat-tattva cloud appears in the Spiritual Sky) while some nitya-siddhas never ever activate their nitya-baddha lower self and enter the mahat-tattva, unless it is for Krishna Lila or pastimes. The important point made here is the nitya-siddha-svarupa devotees do not have to remain aware of their nitya-siddha-svarupa or their Krishna consciousness if they choose – this is what marginal means as Srila Prabhupada has explained. Marginal simply means the living entity has a two-fold ability, to choose either serving Krishna or serving the concoctions and dreams within ones sub-conscious mind. From the marginal living entities’ nitya-siddha original bodily (vigraha) source, their secondary consciousness (nitya-baddha) enters into the mahat-tattva as a dreaming conscious state called the jiva-tattva and is provided by the over Lord of the mahat-tattva, the sleeping and dreaming Maha-Vishnu, counterfeit imitation temporary bodily costumes as well as being eventually provided the yogic pathway out of the mahat-tattva incarceration to their impersonal Brahmajyoti dormant consciousness, if they choose to pursue the difficult path of Impersonalism (which is denying their svarupa body or source and origins of their projected nitya-baddha consciousness). The marginal nitya-siddhas sub-conscious ‘other self,’ or the nitya-baddha, sometimes manifests simply due to ‘choosing’ to activate that non-Krishna conscious secondary dreaming sub-consciousness, this right, even though the cause of much suffering for those who make that choice to ‘consciously’ leave Krishnas Personal association, is the endowed right of all marginal nitya-siddhas, although as the painting above illustrates, only 25% choose to get lost in their own sub-conscious dreaming nitya-baddha selfish desires. So there can naturally exist a dark shadow phenomenon within all marginal nitya-siddha beings that is simply activated by the choice to not serve Krishna. That ability to choose between light and darkness is what ‘marginal’ means. This dark shadow is called the nitya-baddha sub-consciousness and is where ones conscious awareness is restricted by their desire not to serve Krishna. Technically the activation of the nitya-baddha consciousness is the constitutional right all marginal beings. Within all marginal being is this duality of consciousness governed by the choice to serve or not serve Krishna. In this way all nitya-siddha beings have a nitya-baddha-shadow. All nitya-siddhas exist in their full constitutionally devotional unconditional position as eternal selfless humble servant of the servant of the servant of beautiful Krishna and can never fall down however, the Srimad Bhagavatam is very clear that 25% (as shown in the painting above) of all nitya-siddhas choose to activate their nitya-baddha sub-conscious dreaming condition and turn their back on Krishna and their eternal original perpetual bodily form and follow their nitya-baddha dreams that places them in the mahat-tattva or material creation. The dreaming condition of the nitya-siddhas’ in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha is just as real as the perpetual reality that exists there. In this way even though every marginal being or emanation from Krishna has an originally svarupa body, they can change that rasa bodily identity simple by dreaming of serving Krishna in different ways, a peacock, blade of grass a flower, a tree, a friend, a parent, uncle, teacher, cow herd boy, a flute, a chair Krishna sits on, a jewel on the clothing of Krishna, a gopi, etc, etc. Such understandings are very intimate and only understood as one advances in their Krishna Consciousness. In a similar way, when one stops dreaming of Krishna then those dreams manifest their existence in a separate reality that is not Krishna Conscious, this is how one enters the material creation or mahat-tattva, not as their svarupa body, but in the bodies the dream of. The individual marginal beings as their nitya-siddha-svarupa bodies are known collectively as the Brahman or Brahmajyoti living personal effulgence that surrounds and emanates from the transcendental body of Krishna the Supreme Personality of Godhead. This personal Brahmajyoti takes up 75% of all creation, where all the marginal bodily living entities display the full potential of their individuality and identity that is always Krishna Consciousness. These percentage numbers are hard to understand when there is no beginning or end to all creation however, this description is given in the Srimad Bhagavatam that gives one an idea how many stay in Goloka with Krishna and how many choose to go it alone (without personal awareness of Krishna) into the land of the dreaming or mahat-tattva. The marginal potency or energy of Krishnas’ effulgence is actually Krishnas’ nitya-siddha-svarupa-vigraha bodily servants that ARE the living effulgences that make up of the universe. Krishnas’ bodily effulgence, Brahmajyoti or Spiritual Sky IS their bodily Spiritual pure effulgence, originally, ultimately and unendingly. This wonderful living effulgence is simultaneously the bodily effulgence of God/Krishna and His nitya-siddha-svarupa perpetual devotees. Further more, the subsidiary or marginal nitya-siddha vigraha servants of Krishna’s entrance into the temporary material creation (mahat-tattva) are only possible from within their sub-conscious dreams (nitya-baddha conditional state) and never as their nitya-siddha-svarupa body. Such dreams are transferred as a secondary consciousness (jiva-tattva, jiva-s’akti, jiva bhutah, jiva-tatastha etc - collectively called the nitya-baddha lower self and is also the supply of consciousness that eventually can appear as the impersonal Brahmajyoti which is simply the dormant conscious condition of the nitya-baddha) It is important to remember that the ultimate source of all consciousness is the bodily effulgence of Krishna.

The nitya-baddha dreaming sub-consciousness originates from ones perpetual svarupa or rasa body (nitya-siddha) in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha. This secondary dreaming conscious manifestation first possess counterfeit bodily vessels (nothing like ones permanent svarupa bodily form outside the mahat-tattva in Goloka or Vaikuntha) that are real but temporary, beginning with the ethereal body of Brahma within the material creation and then can devolve after billions of births within the mahat-tattva, to a state of inactive or dormant dreaming consciousness that is also known as jiva-tatastha consciousness. In other words the Impersonal Brahmajyoti is simply the inactive non-dreaming secondary condition or lower reality (marginal nitya-baddha) of the marginal nitya-siddha devotees, transmitted from the fullness of their marginal svarupa or rasa-atma-vigraha body that is eternally serving Krishna in unlimited Lila’s or past times. This secondary dreaming conscious manifestation first possess counterfeit bodily vessels that are real but temporary, beginning with the ethereal body of Brahma within the material creation. What is the Brahmajyoti and its shadow the Impersonal Brahmajyoti? And what are the nitya-siddha devotee’s and their nitya-baddha shadow? Remember it is important to understand that the marginal potency, energy or individual nitya-siddha-svarupa servants of Krishna ARE the fully active living effulgent Brahmajyoti in their original vigraha bodily Krishna Conscious condition serving Krishna in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha, where as the living Impersonal Brahmajyoti is simply the comatose sub-conscious dreaming condition (nitya-baddha) of the nitya-siddha devotee’s that eventually go on (after existing in ethereal and biological vessels within the mahat-tattva) to manifest collectively, if they continue to deny who they really are in relation to Krishna, as the collective effulgent Impersonal living Brahmajyoti or shadow of the Brahmajyoti. Therefore one must understand that the Impersonal Brahmajyoti is simply the transformation of the individual dreaming nitya-baddha sub-conscious condition of the marginal beings, that eventually (with great difficulty) find their way to the shut dormant mode of their own consciousness that is non other than the Impersonal Brahmajyoti. Only when the Impersonal jiva-tatastha dormant sub-conscious transformation occurs from the nitya-baddha material active embodied jiva-s’akti, or jiva-bhutah sub-conscious secondary condition of the marginal living entities, that ones individual conscious condition and awareness changes into the Impersonal Brahmajyoti aspect of their own consciousness. Only then can that secondary condition of the marginal living entities appear as an insignificant inactive dormant living spark of conscious transformation, due to denying that the origins of their tatastha consciousness originates from their own perpetual nitya-siddha-svarupa devotional bodily form in Goloka-Vrndavana. This dormant tatastha Impersonal aspect of the Brahmajyoti or ones own consciousness is situated between the Vaikuntha imperishable Spiritual Sky and the perishable mahat-tattva cloud also situated in the Spiritual Sky. This is the ultimate understanding of what the Brahmajyoti really is in its fullness. This is an important point to understand. Unfortunately many caste Goswami’s, brahmanas, big, big gurus, jnani’s, sadu’s and pandits who foolishly believe the origins of our consciousness (jiva-tattva) is from the Brahmajyoti (Impersonalists), instead of the correct understanding that our consciousness (jiva-tattva) originates from our perpetual individual svarupa body in Goloka-Vrndavana, will enviously criticise, ridicule and even violently threaten the real Personalist Vaishnava’s who concretely know that all of us have always been personalists, even though from time to time we choose to forget that Krishna Conscious Svarupa perpetual body in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha, which is the origin and source of our individual nitya-baddha consciousness whether in the mahat-tattva or the Impersonal Brahman/Brahmajyoti, Brahma-sayujya or tatastha. It is also said that the nitya-baddha shadow of the marginal nitya-siddha beings is where both the material mahat-tattva and the Impersonal Brahmajyoti come into existence. How this happens and fascilitated by Maha-Vishnu will be fully explained in this book. Chanting Hare Krishna and engaging in devotional service will protect a sincere aspiring devotee as the cobbler was protected in the story of ‘the cobbler and the jnani’ (page ?) however there are also those sincere souls who may become disillusioned if they only follow the charisma of a particular Guru, Swami or general devotee when a philosophical crisis develops due to their sentimental understanding of Vedanta. Srila Prabhupada wanted all his disciples and grand disciples etc to study his books and learn HIS teachings of Krishna Consciousness and not simply become an un-knowledgeable follower in someone else’s charismatic religious plans, "Don't think, just do what you are told prabhu may have its place in the 1970s and 80s and even today for helping some, but it is certainly not meant for everyone”, it is an old cliché that can be misused by scrupulous leaders in management that will only deny one from their own personal realizations in their attempts to advance in Krishna Consciousness and their natural Spiritual development and growth meant to be nurtured and not exploited. Therefore if you don’t want to be cheated when buying a diamond, you must have some knowledge of what a diamond is; similarly one must have some basic understanding of Spiritual life to begin with and then develop a solid understanding of Srila Prabhupadas books. I met one man in 1981 and he felt he did not know enough to get initiated, he even said to me that he wanted to see how the new Gurus in ISKCON settle in because it was only four years earlier that Srila Prabhupada had left this world. This man was intelligent enough to see that he just did not choose a Guru who was expert at imitating Srila Prabhupada, but wanted to be sure of his spiritual endeavours, after all Srila Prabhupada himself was not initiated by his spiritual master until he was thirty six years old. In this way this man felt he would not be mislead by material charisma in his humble attempt to be Krishna Conscious. Many adult aspiring devotees who did get cheated in the 1980s were clearly victims of their own naivety because they were not qualified to take initiation in the first place, they could not tell the difference between an imitation guru and a real Guru of Krishna. How is it possible to understand the complexities of the karma that leads one to an imitation instead of the real thing? Its like the story of the diamonds in India, one has to be qualified to know what a real diamond is so they do not get cheated with glass imitations. This mans wait turned out to be an intelligent choice because so many Gurus began to have difficulties in their attempts to be genuinely Krishna Conscious. He wanted to get to know his Guru and in this way, his sincere determination to wait and be certain his Guru was for real, would protect him from the dictatorial power trips, eventual fall down of those imitating Srila Prabhupada instead of humbly following him, and learn to see through those who have disguised their show of Spiritual advancement with the clever show of material charisma and opulence that had been the demise of so many sanyasis and Gurus and devotees in the past. Such deep understanding of Srila Prabhupadas books, lectures, tapes and classes would also protect one from not only those who imitated him, but also other conflicting Vaishnava theories and the dreaded Impersonalism that has severely polluted our 21<SUP>st</SUP> century society.

THE SECRET VEDIC BOOK OF ORIGINS FINALLY RELEASED The following book is a concluding confirmation as clearly explained by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, that the jiva/souls (all of Gods/Krishnas’ subsidiary, marginal living beings or all living entities) manifests originally and perpetually as a bodily (vigraha) servant of the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Krishna (The Supreme Vigraha or Bodily Form) that can never vacate from Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha (the perpetual Kingdom of God/Krishna) as their perpetual rasa (devotional mood) body serving Krishna.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> In a Nectar of Devotion lecture given on October 23, 1972, <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = " /><st1:City w:st="on">Vrndavana</st1:City>, <st1:country-region w:st="on">India</st1:country-region>, Srila Prabhupada explains: <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> “We should be always ready to offer respect to all, not only devotees, but everyone. Everyone! Why? Because every living entity is originally a devotee of <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>. But circumstantially, being covered by the coat of Maya, he’s playing like demon. But his original nature is a devotee of <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>. Jivera svarupa haya nitya krsnera dasa. Everyone is eternally servant of <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>. But being influenced by Maya, when he gets this body, given by Maya...Prakrtih kriyamananih gunaih karmani sarvasah, when he conducted by the three gunas of maya, he thinks himself otherwise.” <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> In a lecture on the Bhagavad-gita given in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">London</st1:place></st1:City> on August 6, 1973, Srila Prabhupada further explains: <o:p></o:p> “We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago” <o:p></o:p> One must study Srila Prabhupadas’ books; tapes, letters and interviews diligently and openly challenge anyone who contradicts those books, referring mostly to Impersonalists, Buddhists, materialists and mundane religionists. The teachings of the Spiritual Master are absolute so Prabhupadas books, tapes (that all his books are via Dictaphone anyway) lectures, classes, morning walks, interviews and letters are all as equal as each other. Why wouldn’t they be so? Srila Prabhupada warned us to not dwell too much of why and how we are here, but to get out. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> On many occasions he has said that our existence in the material world is so long that it seems we have come from tatastha and then throws his transcendental insight in the equation by saying that before that we also existed in another creation of matter and before that, and before that, and before that – how far can we go back? And he finishes by saying, before that even, we were with <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>. The different ways of attaining jiva-tatastha consciousness<o:p></o:p> First the time factor of past present and future exists in the perishable mahat-tattva, a place of divided time that has the effect of decay and impermanence. The Goloka-Vrndavana and Vaikuntha imperishable aspect of the Spiritual Sky or Brahmajyoti has no past or future and exists in the perpetual present as the Brahma-samhita teaches us. Tatastha consciousness on the other hand is the intermediate state that is in-between the two realities of creation - Vaikuntha and the mahat-tattva.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The Impersonal characteristic of ones consciousness is called the jiva-tatastha conscious state achieved AFTER the nitya-baddha consciousness becomes fed up with living in ethereal and biological vessels for millions of births. Only then after traveling through millions of ethereal and biological forms or vessels provided by Maha-Vishnu, does one’s consciousness resemble an inactive stage of consciousness called jiva-tatastha that is unaware of past, present and future. All bodily vessels in the mahat-tattva are provided by Maha-Vishnu. It must be clearly understood that without the bodily provision supplied by Maha-Vishnu, the nitya-baddha jiva-s’akti or jiva tattva consciousness has no form and instead resembles a living seed or spark of consciousness that originates from its genuine bodily source (nitya-siddha-svarupa or rasa perpetual body) in Goloka-Vrndavana or the Vaikuntha planets.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The jiva-tatastha consciousness attained by great yogis after traveling through the mahat-tattva, is a suspended dreamless timeless characteristic state of the nitya-baddha dreaming condition, but even that dreamless dormant conscious state is temporary, due to the inherent active nature of the nitya-siddha bodily origins of ones nitya-baddha jiva-tattva consciousness. In other words, the bodiless nitya-baddha consciousness originates from ones perpetual nitya-siddha rasa body in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha. There are two different tatastha conditions the nitya-baddha consciousness enters. One first enters the mahat-tattva due to activating their nitya-baddha lower consciousness with non <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> conscious thoughts, dreams and desires. Therefore the nitya baddha jiva-tattva consciousness is a manifestation of desires that require activity but cannot be active until Maha-Vishnu gives the nitya-baddha consciousness a bodily form within the blue-print of His mahat-tattva (material creation) creation. The nitya-baddha consciousness is the sub-conscious extension of the perpetual nitya-siddha devotee in Goloka-Vrndavana or Vaikuntha. <o:p></o:p> To reach the mahat-tattva the nitya-baddha consciousness has to first travel through the tatastha conscious condition that exists between the Vaikunthas and the mahat-tattva and is also known as the Impersonal aspect of the Brahmajyoti. This is the first connection the nitya-baddha consciousness has with the tatastha feature of individual consciousness or the Impersonal aspect of the Brahmajyoti, which is factually made up of individual nitya-baddha consciousnesses existing in the tatastha dormant conscious state. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Some nitya-baddha’s may try to remain in the tatastha condition due to seeing the implications of proceeding to the impermanent mahat-tattva of pain ans suffering and ‘sit on the fence’ being neither in the Vaikunthas or the mahat-tattva however, the choice had already been made back in Goloka or on a Vaikuntha planet and eventually, due to their desires for self glorification and dreams of grandur, proceed as the jiva-tattva seed and enter the 'thoughts' and ‘dreams’ of Maha-Vishnu awaiting for Him to embody all ones dreams and desires with billions of bodily vessels over billions of years. In this way Maha-Vishnu impregnates the nitya-baddhas or jiva-tattvas by His glance over His material creation and gives them ethereal form. In this way the nitya-baddha jiva-tattva begins its material existence of living out various non-Krishna conscious dreams and mistaken desires in different species and worlds within the mahat-tattva for trillians of years.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Eventually after millions of births, after great difficulty and struggle, the nitya-baddha consciousness is liberated from the ethereal and biological vessels from the mahat-tattva, but still trapped in their nitya-baddha dreaming consciousness because of not understanding they have a perpetual Krishna Conscious nitya-siddha-svarupa body that is always serving beautiful <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> way beyond the mahat-tattva and the lonely selfish impersonal tatastha condition of consciousness that they have become trapped in and further foolishly believe is their origins. So on two occasions the nitya-baddha experience the tatastha condition of their own nitya-baddha consciousness - when they first proceed towards the mahat-tattva and when they leave it. <o:p></o:p> 1. The first one is when ones dreaming nitya-baddha secondary consciousness leaves Goloka and falls to the intermediate stage of conscious transferral situated in-between the Vaikunthas and the mahat-tattva. In this way the nitya-baddha consciousness is the manifestation of desires and dreams to enjoy the material world; however the nitya-baddha first goes through the initial stage of tatastha consciousness on its way to the mahat-tattva. When the nitya-baddha consciousness exits it tatastha intermediate stage of being in-between the Vaikunthas and the mahat-tattva, driven by the desire to enjoy an existence of self-centered grandeur, it is then placed in seed form within the mind of Maha-Vishnu. The nitya-baddha consciousness in this stage of transformation is now called the jiva-tattva, jiva-sakti, jiva-prakriti, jiva-bhutah etc. Remember the nitya-baddha consciousness is formless and bodiless (due to only being made up of dreams, thoughts and desires) but maintains its individuality and identity due to being a sub-conscious extension of ones perpetual authentic nitya-siddha bodily form (vigraha). Only when the nitya-baddha consciousness enters the mahat-tattva, does the dreaming lower self receive a bodily ethereal vessel from Maha-Vishnu. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> 2. The second is when the nitya-baddha jiva-tattva becomes fed up with the temporary nature and decay of the material creation, being forced in every life to give up everything due to disease, old age and death, thus the seach for liberstion begins. Unfortunately without the guidance of a Spiritual Master, one can never truthfully know who they really are serving <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>; therefore one foolishly seeks out the Impersonal dormant state of consciousness called by many names such as Brahma-sayja, tatastha etc, due to the ignorance of not knowing their authentic perpetual bodily source in Goloka. Tragically the ignorant nitya-baddha jiva-tattva consciousness transforms into the jiva-tatastha ‘inactive’ condition and just becomes another spiritual spark of effulgence in the Impersonal Brahmajyoti, believing it is the origins of all existence. Nitya-baddha lower self in the Jiva-tatastha individual consciousness means ‘in-between the imperishable and perishable creations’, jiva-tatastha aspect of the nitya-baddha has no form until given a body by Maha-Vishnu in the Mahat-tattva and then becomes known as the embodied jiva-tattva, jiva s’akti, jiva-bhutah, jiva-prakriti etc. The eternal nitya-siddha svarupa body exists in blissful Krishna Consciousness outside of the maha-tattva and way beyond the tatastha Impersonal intermediate stage of conscious projection that exists in-between Vaikuntha and the mahat-tattva that is also called the Impersonal Brahmajyoti as already explained.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> When ones dreaming nitya-baddha secondary consciousness is in the intermediate stage of conscious transferral situated in-between the Vaikunthas and the mahat-tattva, the nitya-baddha consciousness at this stage of beginning material life, is not a dormant consciousness but is the manifestation of material desires and dreams to enjoy the material world; however the dreaming nitya-baddha condition has to still first enters and go through the initial stage of tatastha consciousness on its way to the mahat-tattva. Remember the nitya-baddha consciousness is formless and bodiless (due to only being made up of dreams, thoughts and desires) but maintains its individuality and identity due to being a sub-conscious extension of ones perpetual authentic nitya-siddha bodily form (vigraha). Only when the nitya-baddha consciousness enters the mahat-tattva, does the dreaming lower self receive a bodily ethereal vessel from Maha-Vishnu <o:p></o:p> Only by the mercy of Maha-Vishnu does the jiva-tattva become clothed in bodily form (first ethereal or the subtle then further clothed by the biological vessel) so one can experience those dreams, thoughts and desires within the mahat-tattva or material creation. Even the ethereal body can appear as a spark form (some think the ethereal body is the jiva-tattva) of effulgence mistaken to be the bodiless jiva-tattva by less intelligent mystic yogis, Buddhists Jains and Impersonalists because of their ability to shape-shift their ethereal vessel and fit any bodily container from a biological tiny amebae to a large elephant or whale or even remain for millions of years in a mediative condition unaware they are still living in an ethereal body. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Only by 100% Krishna Consciousness can one become truly free from the subtle or ethereal body and reconnect back to their nitya-siddha-svarupa body in Goloka-Vrndavana or Vaikuntha. In our 21<SUP>st</SUP> century primitive society, 99.99% of us cannot even understand we are not the biological body, what to speak of the ethereal body. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The Goloka-Vrndavana realm on the other hand is fully active in a way where there is no past or future, there is only the perpetual present, and therefore everything alive has always been there and will always be there. Our svarupa body has always been there and can never leave there unless it is for Krishna Lila in the mahat-tattva. Other than that, only our non-Krishna Conscious nitya-baddha dreams can be transmitted or transferred to the mahat-tattva while our genuine nitya-siddha-svarupa body remains in eternity beyond time and space with Krishnas Personal Form in unconditipnal surrender. This also means when our extended consciousness returns it will be as if we never left. His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada, the founder of the International Society or Krishna Consciousness. WE ALL ORIGINATED FROM GOLOKA Srila Prabhupada - “No one falls from Vaikuntha.” We really do not fall. We think we are fallen. But this just means we have forgotten our original situation and condition" Srila Prabhupada is very clear. Originally we have a direct personal relationship with Krishna in the spiritual world. But when we want to take Krishna’s position, we therefore put ourselves into a dreaming state due to our non-Krishna conscious choices. In this dreaming state after we enter the mahat-tattva dream of Maha-Vishnu that is a real but a perishable reality situated in one corner of the Brahmajyoti Spiritual Sky or creation, we choose to forget our actual position and thus are free to act out our non-Krishna conscious desire and dreams within the mahat-tattva cloud in our attempts to become the centre of attraction or in our attempt to even become a supreme enjoyer. These mistaken self centered choices or non Krishna conscious dreams are characterized as being “fallen” from our position in the spiritual world, but Srila Prabhupada explains that in Vaikuntha reality, beyond mundane time and space that governs the mahat-tattva, we are not fallen and our authentic bodily self is eternally there, “We are simply in a dreaming condition” explains Srila Prabhupada.

<table align="center"><tbody><tr><td> </td></tr></tbody></table> Above is the great dreaming Maha-Vishnu expansion of Lord Balarama who lays in the causal ocean supported by Ananta Sesa and holds within His dreams all the mistaken dreams of the nitya-siddhas while as their nitya baddha conditioned sub-conscious dreaming state or lower self. <o:p></o:p> Also from time to time Maha-Vishnu holds within His dreams the direct Vrndavana pastimes of Lord Chaitanya and Krishna as well as their transcendental entourage that is a carbon copy of the past times in the Goloka-Vrndavana centre of creation outside of the temporary mahat-tattva and beyond the surrounding perpetual Vaikunthas. <o:p></o:p> Unlimited other expansions of Krishna and many of His great nitya-siddha devotees also appear from time to time within the dreams of Maha-Vishnu, to continually invite the nitya-baddhas (conditioned souls) back home back to Godhead, so they can again wake back up from their limited, temporary and restricted dreams within the mahat-tattva dream cloud of Maha-Vishnu in one corner of the Spiritual Sky. <o:p></o:p> In this way such lost souls can again re-enter the perpetual Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha Spiritual Sky as their perpetual nitya-siddha-svarupa rasa body that is eternally and lovingly serving beautiful Krishna.<!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--><!--[endif]--><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--><!--[endif]--><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--><!--[endif]--> We see that 75% of creation is the Goloka-Vrndavan/Vaikutha realm and 25% is the material or maha-tattva creation, in other words 25% of the nitya-siddhas have chosen to activate their secondary nitya-baddha consciousness or dreaming life force (jiva-sakti) and enter the impermanent dreams of Maha-Vishnu in a sub-conscious dreaming state (nitya-baddha) due to their non-Krishna conscious desires. It is therefore clear that 25% of the marginal nitya-siddha-vigrahas do enter the non-Krishna Conscious mahat-tattva cloud (not as their perpetual svarupa body but as their sub-conscious mistaken dreams) which numbers are enormous yet only 25% choose to make that conscious nitya-baddha plunge as the Srimad Bhagavatam teaches us as shown in the painting above. It’s hard to get our mind around this fact because many of us have the frog in the well mentality in our present day Spiritual primitive 21^st century society in Kali-yuga. And yes trillions and trillions choose to transmigrate ‘consciously’ to the mahat-tattva, otherwise what need would there be for such a creation? Krishna simply gives us choice, which is the constitutional position of all of Krishna’s marginal emanations. Yet remember it is only 1 /4 of creation ‘consciously’ enter the mahat-tattva, 1/4 of all marginal nitya-siddha-vigrahas who consciously enter the mahat-tattva or material manifestation, but never as their perpetual vigraha bodily form. Everything in Krishna’s Abode is always eternally there because of the perpetual and imperishable nature of His Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha Spiritual Sky or Abode The various Vedic texts tell us that the Kingdom of Krishna is an eternal active place of boundless pastimes where nothing perishes. Everything in Krishna’s Abode is always eternally there because of the perpetual and imperishable nature of His Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha Spiritual Sky or Abode. This means ones eternal, perpetual, unchanging, continuous, everlasting, ceaseless, never ending, long lasting nitya-siddha-atma-vigraha Krishna Conscious body is always there and can never leave or fall down because of the eternal nature of Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha. Perpetual means nothing there can decay perish or disappear. As already mentioned and must be constantly emphasised, this means all of us have an eternal form and relationship that is always with Krishna in His everlasting Abode. This Krishna Conscious Vigraha self is forever there and has always been there, even though from time to time, we are ‘consciously’ unaware of that unending reality. This is due to our forgetfulness and dreaming non-Krishna conscious fantasies that create our mirage like insignificant secondary consciousness (real but temporary), that transmits ‘the self interested thoughts one wants created’, to the the mahat-tattva (material universe). In a uncomplicated way of trying to understand this, all of us dream when we sleep, the dreams we have in our biological body or vessel appear real and while immersed in that dream state one forgets their biological body they are dreaming from. In a similar way, the non-Krishna Conscious thoughts, convictions or ‘dreams’ manifest a separate dreaming version of the self (that is real but temporary) and while in that dreaming state or secondary consciousness (jiva-bhutah), we forget our genuine Krishna conscious bodily form. Keep in mind, on the absolute level, unlike the mundane biological level dreaming; ones non-Krishna conscious thoughts or dreams (nitya-baddha lower consciousness) are as real as their perpetual nitya-siddha body, with a major difference, they are expressed through counterfeit bodily vessels within the mahat-tattva and are therefore temporary. All ethereal and biological vessels as well as their material surroundings are provided by Maha-Vishnu for the purpose of allowing one in their secondary conscious state to live out those dreams, thoughts and desires. Such non-Krishna Conscious thoughts and desires cannot exist within the same devotional space that all their perpetual Krishna Conscious bodies exist in (namely Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha). In this way, it is ones ‘non Krishna Conscious desires cause one to consciously enter the mahat-tattva cloud. All self-centered desires, dreams or thoughts expel themselves from Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha perpetual portion of the Spiritual Sky due to the selfish independent desires (choices) to no longer want to be with Krishna. To remain in the Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha abode, one has to be Krishna Conscious. In this way ones non-Krishna Conscious thoughts, dreams and desires cannot remain there and are transferred as a secondary conscious state (jiva-bhutah) to a far distant transient place in the Spiritual Sky set aside for such temporary thoughts, dreams or desires. Those desires, thoughts and dreams, represented by the jiva-bhutah consciousness, are provided ethereal and biological containers provided by Maha-Vishnu to chase their dream, in some cases for an almost eternity. This place of ‘the dreaming’ is called the mahat-tattva. When one is awake in their biological body, or when one is dreaming in that body, it is still the same ‘self’ existing on two completely different levels of consciousness at the same time, one in the biological body, the other as dreamed up fantasies the biological body is dreaming. Such dreams appear real while ones biological body is sleeping, so real, one completely forgets the biological body one is dreaming from. The nitya-siddha devotee's and their secondary nitya-baddha dreaming consciousness, (when the latter is activated), are both the divided (Personal and Impersonal) marginal emanations perpetually surrounding Krishnas Supreme Vigraha form that makes Krishna the complete whole or the entire creation. "Because the living being can appear either in matter or in spirit, the jiva is called the marginal potency" CC Adi 5.41 pp. Srila Prabhupada explains that ‘marginal’ means the tendency of the living being to reject the sanction of the Lord and act independently within the material creation or mahat-tattva. The Supreme Lord has two energies, material (mahat-tattva cloud) and spiritual (the Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha realm where Krishna and His marginal nitya-siddha devotees serve). The living entities are marginal energy. As marginal energy, ones consciousness may be under the spell of the inanimate material energy (the mahat-tattva) under the control of Maha-Vishnu and Maha-Maya or the devotional Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha Spiritual Sky under the control of Krishnas internal Yoga-Maya. "The living entity (jiva-atma) takes different positions - sometimes he merges into the dark material nature and identifies himself with matter (ethereal and biological bodies), and sometimes he identifies himself with the superior spiritual nature (atma-vigraha perpetual self). Therefore, he is called the Lords marginal energy. " BG 8.3 pp. "The fact is that individual living entities are eternally part and parcel of the Supreme Lord, and both of them are very intimately related as friends. But the living entity has the tendency to reject the sanctions of the Supreme Lord and act independently in an attempt to dominate the supreme nature, and because he has this tendency, he is called the marginal energy of the Supreme Lord. " BG 13.23 . So, marginal energy is not a particular place or area in outer space where souls drop from, but it denotes the nature of the jiva-atma-vigraha. It refers to a living being with the character of independently choosing between Krishnas two Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha or the mahat-tattva. Therefore, the living beings do not expand from their jiva-tatastha aspect of marginal consciousness. This marginal energy (niya-siddha’s higher and nitya baddha lower expression of consciousness) is an expansion of Lord Krishna, who is the origin of the living beings. If marginal beings (the living entity with its independent nature, original rasa body and the ability to extend its life force jiva-sakti sub-consciously out of that rasa body) choose to be in contact with the external energy of the Lord, it still remains marginal. (See CC Adi 2.96) If the marginal living beings as their secondary conscious extention that finds shelter in the mahat-tattva, eventually chooses, after many, many births in the mahat-tattva, decides to go back home, back to Godhead (Goloka), on return, one will still find they have their marginal independence even as their full potential perpetual nitya-siddha Krishna Conscious body. Returning back to Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha does not change ones individual marginal position into internal energy (cit-sakti) and become Vishnu-tattva-Vigraha. Although the nitya-siddhas are equal in quality to the internal potency of Krishna (which is spiritual or a place where nothing other than living vigrahas exist serving Krishna the Supreme Vigraha), they nevertheless keep their marginal independence. Marginal nitya-siddha-vigraha devotees can choose to live seperately within their nitya-baddha sub-conscious dreams that are extended as the jiva-sakti and called the nitya-baddha dreaming conscious extention, this is a secondary transformation of Krishna's marginal personalities and is the cause of the Impersonal aspect of the Brahmajyoti or Spiritual Sky. The Impersonal Brahmajyoti is simple the transformation of marginal individual consciousness, this is an important point to understand. The nitya-siddha body is serving Krishna eternally and can never leave Goloka, yet from time to time, due to choice, may enter into a dreaming sub-conscious lower self nitya-baddha condition that can only exist within the dreams of Maha-Vishnu within the maha-tattva or within the non-dream tatastha condition we call the Impersonal Brahmajyoti. The Impersonal Brahmajyoti is simple a further transformation of marginal individual nitya-baddha consciousnesses into an inactive state after going through the mahat-tattva, this is an important point to understand. Ones awareness of their surroundings can be situated either in the external mahat-tattva as their non-Krishna conscious nitya-baddha consciousness, or remain in the internal Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha Kingdom of God as their full conscious nitya-siddha bodily self. One can choose to be as their Krishna Conscious perpetual body or float away to the mahat-tattva in non-Krishna conscious dreams as their nitya-baddha jiva-sakti consciousness. In this way, the living being is situated in proportionally higher or lower levels of existence. If marginal consciousness can freely choose to be situated in either external or internal energy, then marginal consciousness (because of ones free will) can also choose to leave either external or internal consciousness therefore those who believe they cannot fall ‘consciously’ from Vaikuntha are deluding themselves and misleading their followers.

<HR style="COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=1> <!-- / icon and title --><!-- message --> The dreaming Maha-Vishna is where ones Secondary non-Krishna conscious dreams (nitya-baddha life force or jiva-s'akti) goes and becomes known as the 'conditioned state' when one chooses to leave Goloka however, ones nitya-siddha svarupa body always remains in Goloka. Why would anyone, in fact trillions of jiva’s choose to leave Goloka? Question - It does not make sense to me in my present stage of spiritual development, which I can understand is very primitive to being born in a meat eating Godless society, that the jiva-tattva’s are continuously falling from Goloka, I look around me and can understand that billions of embodied jiva’s have taken shelter in a material bodily from the amoebas to aquatic, plant, birds, animals, human, ghosts, demigods etc. Why would anyone, in fact trillions upon trillions of jiva’s leave <ST1:PKrishna? From my understanding could it be possible the jiva originates from tatastha or even both, that some do fall down while others are born out of tatastha? Answer – Krishna states in the Bhagavad-gita as it isthat the jivas have no beginning or end, so they certainly did not originate from tatastha condition because there was never a time the life force (jiva-s’akti or jiva-tattva) did not exist, nor in the future will such living consciousness cease to be as the Gita tells us. Srila Prabhupada has told us “Because he falls down from Brahma-sayujya (tatastha-s’akti, Impersonal Brahmajyoti or Brahman consciousness condition of the life force), he thinks that may be his origin, but he does not remember that long, long, long, long ago before that even, he was with Krishna. <O:PSrila Prabhupada - “No one falls from Vaikuntha.” We really do not fall. We think we are fallen. But this just means we have forgotten our original situation" <O:PSrila Prabhupada is very clear. “Originally we have a direct personal relationship with <ST1:PKrishna in the spiritual world. But when we want to take Krishna’s position, we therefore put ourselves into a dreaming state due to our non-Krishna conscious choices.” The fact is only the jiva consciousness is transmitted out of Goloka and not ones foremost Spiritual nitya-siddha body. Srila Prabhupada has said “We never had any occasion when we were separated from Krishna. Just like one man is dreaming and he forgets himself. In dream he creates himself in different forms: now I am the King discussing like that. This creation of himself is as seer and subject matter or seen, two things. But as soon as the dream is over, the "seen" disappears. But the seer remains. Now he is in his original position”. <O:PSrila Prabhupada makes it very clear– “Our separation from Krishna is like that. We dream this body and so many relationships with other things. First the attachment comes to enjoy sense gratification. Even with Krishna desire for sense gratification is there. There is a dormant attitude for forgetting Krishna and creating an atmosphere for enjoying independently. Just like at the edge of the beach, sometimes the water covers, sometimes there is dry sand, coming and going". Srila Prabhupada - "Our position is like that, sometimes covered, sometimes free, just like at the edge of the tide. As soon as we forget, immediately the illusion is there. Just like as soon as we sleep, dream is there.” <!--StartFragment --> <O:PSrila Prabhupada clearly emphasizes the fact– “We cannot say therefore that we are not with Krishna. As soon as we try to become Lord, immediately we are covered by Maya. FORMERLY WE WERE WITH KRSNA IN HIS LILA OR SPORT. But this covering of Maya may be of very, very, very, very long duration; therefore many creations are coming and going. Due to this long period of time it is sometimes said that we are ever-conditioned. But his long duration of time becomes very insignificant when one actually comes to Krsna consciousness. Just like in a dream we are thinking very long time, but as soon as we awaken we look at our watch and see it has been a moment only. Just like with Krsna's friends, they were kept asleep for one year by Brahma, but when they woke up and Krsna returned before them, they considered that only a moment had passed”. <O:PQuestion– Before you answer why so many jiva consciousnesses choose to forget their nitya-siddha body serving Krishna and come to the material creation, if there was no beginning to the jiva, why do so many caste Vaishnava Brahmana guru’s and big, big Gaudiya swamis arrogantly and persistently claim they originated from tatastha when the Gita tells us there is no origin or beginning point of life? <O:PAnswer – India is full of gurus and caste brahmanas, unfortunately many of them are Gaudiya Vaisnavas, who mostly read only speculated translations of previous Acharayas and Vedic texts with their English version of interpretation of those texts that has been subtly influence by Impersonalism over hundreds of years undermining Krishna’s Personal creation of marginal persons, claiming they believe and can prove their nonsense impersonal tatastha origins of the jiva-consciousness. We must understand what personalism is, we must understand that Krishna's creation is personal which means we are all persons as well. Many Gaudiya Vaisnavas have all become polluted with Impersonalism and deny the unfathomable greatness of Lord Krishna’s inconceivable PERSONAL creation. We are all persons first as a perpetual nitya-siddha body (marginal living entity) with an eternal svarupa that always exists even if we cannot remember that Krishna Conscious bodily form. <O:PAll impersonalism (tatastha-consciousness) has its beginning in the creation originally due to ones nitya-baddha condition of marginal fallen consciousness which is the lower self of ones perpetual authentic nitya-siddha self as already explained. Krishna’s creation has always been which means He is always an eternal bodily person and so are all His marginal effulgent emanations of subsidiary beings. This understanding is the basic difference between a Personalist and an Impersonalist This understanding is the basic difference between a personalist and an Impersonalist although there are far worse impersonal conditions were one denies Krishna altogether and argue that from the Brahmajyoti is where we originally came from, and to the Brahmajyoti we will return. <O:PRegrettably their understanding of the Brahmajyoti is Impersonal instead of understanding all our origins are personal. The Impersonalists, Buddhists and Vaishnavas who believe in the impersonal origins of the jiva, cannot understand that on the top most platform of transcendental Knowledge, the entire creation steams from personalism, it is all personal, the original appearance of the jiva or atma is sat-cit-ananda-vigraha that we further call the nitya-siddha-svarupa. Ones consciousness however can fall to an Impersonal condition but they certainly do not originate fro it. Therefore the Impersonal Brahmajyoti is a bye product or manifestation created by Krishna, yet exhibited by HIS marginal vigraha devotees via their secondary consciousness (conditioned existence) that firsts manifests in the mahat-tattva, then after many births and deaths, find liberation from that material frustrating condition in the Impersonal dormant aspect of their consciousness (that is also Krishna’s marginal force or jiva-s’akti/s) we call the Impersonal Brahmajyoti. <O:PIn a nut shell and the simplest way possible in explaining what the Impersonal Brahmajyoti and tatastha is, is the Impersonal Brahmajyoti is nothing other than the dormant condition of the nitya-siddhas secondary (conditioned) nitya-baddha consciousness that vibrates between the Vaikunthas and the mahat-tattva in the over-all Brahmajyoti or Spiritual Sky. The Brahmajyoti is created by the Krishna via His marginal nitya-siddhas when they manifest their secondary (conditioned) nitya-baddha restricted consciousness. Firstly try to understand that tatastha and the Impersonal Brahmajyoti is a dormant conscious condition of the nitya-baddha lower non-Krishna conscious self (jiva-tattva or a secondary (conditioned) extension of Krishna’s marginal energy radiating ultimately from His Supreme Vigraha body), or secondary (conditioned) consciousness that primarily expanded out of their perpetual individual nitya-siddha-svarupa rasa Krishna Conscious body in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha due to choice and nothing else because Maha-Maya cannot exist in Vaikuntha. This secondary consciousness (conditioned by ones choices, thoughts, dreams and desires) is then transferred by Yoga-Maya out of Vaikuntha to the mahat-tattva cloud, then placed under the jurisdiction of Maha-Maya, the wife of the facilitator and creator of the mahat-tattva, Maha-Vishnu. <O:PMany of us have possibly come and gone to that tatastha condition of our own consciousness on many, many occasions. Therefore it is clear that none of us in this room or the entire creation originated from the Impersonal Brahmajyoti, which is not possible because our tatastha conscious condition is only a transitional conscious state of the life force. <O:PSrila Prabhupada says that the existence in the brahmajyoti, merging together with other individual jiva-tatasthas, without loss of individuality, is ultimately just another form of conditioned life or dreaming. Sri Isopanisad explains that the extended secondary dreaming jiva-tattva consciousness is always appealing to Krishna to uncover their real authentic transcendental conscious identity and bodily source in Goloka and remove the veil of the restricted bodily containers in the mahat-tattva as well as the mundane Brahman tatastha consciousness or impersonal Brahmajyoti realization or ‘break away freedom from the mahat-tattva’ and reveal to them it is all (both entrapments in the mahat-tattva and the Impersonal Brahmajyoti) are both a dream and the result of an extended conscious condition caused by ones non-Krishna Conscious desires, thoughts and dreams. In this way ones secondary conscious condition trapped in mahat-tattva consciousness or tatastha consciousness does not see its full potential and true beautiful eternally youthful devotional Krishna Conscious bodily real authentic identity, which is the source of their secondary conscious existence. This is because of ones self centered desires for adoration, fame and wealth they have chosen to pursue. Many Impersonalist yogis, Jains, Buddhists and even many Vaishnava traditions, including many Gaudiya Vishnavas, cannot understand that it is their mundane secondary consciousness (conditioned existence) that exists in this material creation that was originally projected or transmitted from their perpetual rasa body in the Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha incessant portion of the Spiritual Sky that enters the mahat-tattva and then, after billions of births, only then can manifests AS a spark of consciousness ONLY in the Impersonal Brahmajyoti as confirmed by Jiva Gosvami. Why do so many jiva’s fall from Goloka to the mahat-tattva? <!--StartFragment --> Now to answer your question of why so, so many trillions upon trillion of nitya-siddha-svarupa’s choose to activate their lower self or secondary nitya-baddha dreaming consciousness and enter the dreams of Maha-Vishnu, that is simply answered. <O:PIt is clear in shastra that 25% of the marginal vigrahas (not as their nitya-siddha bodies) do enter the non-Krishna Conscious mahat-tattva cloud simple because of choice which numbers are enormous and in the trillions and trillions as we see arond us, however, it must be made clear that only 25% of nitya-siddhas' choose to make that secondary conscious plunge, not as their nitya-siddha bodily form, but as the shadow of their perpetual body called the nitya baddha, as the Srimad Bhagavatam teaches us, most never come to the mahat-tattva creation of Lord Vishnu. It’s hard to get our mind around this fact because many of us have the frog in the well mentality in our present day Spiritual primitive 21<SUP>st</SUP> century society in Kali-yuga. And yes trillions and trillions choose to transmigrate ‘consciously’ to the mahat-tattva, otherwise what need would there be for such a creation? Krishna simply gives us choice, which is the constitutional position of all of Krishna's marginal emanations. Yet remember it is only 25% of creation who‘consciously’ enter the mahat-tattva in their dream state nitya-baddha lower consciousness. This means 25% of all marginal nitya-siddha-svarupa devotees activate their secondary non-Krishna conscious nitya-baddha dream condition and enters the dreams of Maha-Vishnu within the mahat-tattva (Temporary material manifestation), but never as their perpetual svarupa vigraha bodily form that always remains in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha. Everything in Krishna’s Abode is always eternally there because of the perpetual and imperishable nature of His Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha Spiritual Sky or Abode The various Vedic texts tell us that the perpetual <ST1>Kingdom of<ST1> Krishna</ST1> is an eternal active place of boundless pastimes where nothing perishes. Everything in Krishna’s Abode is always eternally there because of the perpetual and imperishable nature of His Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha Spiritual Sky or Abode. This means ones eternal, perpetual, unchanging, continuous, everlasting, ceaseless, never ending, long lasting nitya-siddha-atma-vigraha Krishna Conscious body is always there and can never leave or fall down because of the eternal nature of Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha. Perpetual means nothing there can decay perish or disappear. It is because of the many meanings of Sanskrit words (170 meanings to the word jiva) and the many analogies used by Vaishnava scholars, (like the sun and the sunrays) many have misunderstood and have either given improper translations into many languages around the world, or who have taken analogies like the sun and the sun rays literally. Was Srila Bhaktisiddhanta, the Spiritual Master of His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, trying to explain that the living being was originally tossed down from the effulgent advaya light, but upgrading his followers' conditioning by adding the term "Vaikuntha" into this compound? Or, rather, was he trying to restructure the hardened conditioning of his scholastic well-wishers and even some of his devotees (who had become affected by the widespread interpretations of Impersonal origins prevalent at the time) by throwing in the term "advaya" to the compound advaya-vaikuntha. This is an unclear quote, and you can see how subtle the debate gets when these kinds of quotations are referenced. The Impersonal Brahmajyoti is therefore a manifestation of the secondary conscious condition of the nitya-siddha-svarupa devotees in Goloka as already clearly explained. Therefore the Impersonal Brahmajyoti is a phenomenon created by nitya-baddha secondary conscious condition of the nitya-siddha-atma-vigraha perpetual body and simultaneously facilitated by the sleeping Maha-Vishnu in the mahat-tattva cloud. As such, Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha in the perpetual aspect of the Spiritual Sky is one and the same with the Brahmajyoti because the entire creation is the Brahmajyoti or the Brahman effulgence emanating/surrounding Krishna. In the Brahmajyoti, there exists all the Vaikuntha planets and Krishnas’ personified marginal devotees known as the nitya-siddha-svarupa devotees (they are the living personified vigrahas or Brahman effulgence in its highest understanding). Also in the Brahmajyoti there exists the mahat-tattva where the marginal vigraha devotees in Vaikuntha radiate from there being a secondary version of themselves that is only manifested when they choose to disrupt the perfect Krishna Conscious atmosphere of Vaikuntha. When they choose to do so, they are transferred by Yoga-Maya to Maha-Maya in the Mahat-tattva cloud in the Brahmajyoti and enter the dreams of Maha-Vishnu. Only there does Krishna allow His marginal created beings to do as they please and face the consequences however, they can never enter the mahat-tattva in their nitya-siddha-svarupa body, that is not possible, therefore their entry into the mahat-tattva is compared to a dreaming consciousness or the shadow of who they really are. Srila Prabhupada, from his Bhagavad gita introduction -"Arjuna was in a relationship with the Lord as friend. Of course there is a gulf of difference between this friendship and the friendship found in the material world. This is transcendental friendship, which cannot be had by everyone. Of course everyone has a particular relationship with the Lord, and that relationship is evoked by the perfection of devotional service. But in the present status of our life, not only have we forgotten the Supreme Lord, but WE HAVE FORGOTTEN OUR eternal relationship with the Lord. Every living being, out of the many, many billions and trillions of living beings, has a particular relationship with the Lord eternally. That is called svarupa. By the process of devotional service, one can REVIVE that svarupa, and that stage is called svarupa-siddhi—perfection of one's constitutional position". <O:PNote, the life force is also known as the jiva-sakti, jiva-tattva, jiva-prakrita, jiva-nikaya, jiva-tatastha that are all various stages of dreaming consciousness (nitya-baddha dreaming condition) that is projected outside of the perpetual Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha from ones perpetual nitya-siddha-svarupa body in the Spiritual Sky and into the impermanent mahat-tattva cloud that is in one corner of that same Spiritual Sky. The dreamless tatastha conscious dreamless condition of the jiva-tattva is situated between the Vaikuntha’s and the mahat-tattva cloud and is known as the Impersonal Brahmajyoti. Such a dreamless conscious stat, like the mahat-tattva, is not permanent due to the inherent trait of eternal activity the lower conscious tatastha consciousness inherits from it nitya-siddha full consciousness or real genuine perpetual bodily self. <!--StartFragment -->

The dreaming Maha-Vishna is where ones Secondary non-Krishna conscious dreams (nitya-baddha life force or jiva-s'akti) goes and becomes known as the 'conditioned state' when one chooses to leave Goloka however, ones nitya-siddha svarupa body always remains in Goloka. Why would anyone, in fact trillions of jiva’s choose to leave Goloka? Question - It does not make sense to me in my present stage of spiritual development, which I can understand is very primitive to being born in a meat eating Godless society, that the jiva-tattva’s are continuously falling from Goloka, I look around me and can understand that billions of embodied jiva’s have taken shelter in a material bodily from the amoebas to aquatic, plant, birds, animals, human, ghosts, demigods etc. Why would anyone, in fact trillions upon trillions of jiva’s leave <ST1:PKrishna? From my understanding could it be possible the jiva originates from tatastha or even both, that some do fall down while others are born out of tatastha? Answer – Krishna states in the Bhagavad-gita as it isthat the jivas have no beginning or end, so they certainly did not originate from tatastha condition because there was never a time the life force (jiva-s’akti or jiva-tattva) did not exist, nor in the future will such living consciousness cease to be as the Gita tells us. Srila Prabhupada has told us “Because he falls down from Brahma-sayujya (tatastha-s’akti, Impersonal Brahmajyoti or Brahman consciousness condition of the life force), he thinks that may be his origin, but he does not remember that long, long, long, long ago before that even, he was with Krishna. <O:PSrila Prabhupada - “No one falls from Vaikuntha.” We really do not fall. We think we are fallen. But this just means we have forgotten our original situation" <O:PSrila Prabhupada is very clear. “Originally we have a direct personal relationship with <ST1:PKrishna in the spiritual world. But when we want to take Krishna’s position, we therefore put ourselves into a dreaming state due to our non-Krishna conscious choices.” The fact is only the jiva consciousness is transmitted out of Goloka and not ones foremost Spiritual nitya-siddha body. Srila Prabhupada has said “We never had any occasion when we were separated from Krishna. Just like one man is dreaming and he forgets himself. In dream he creates himself in different forms: now I am the King discussing like that. This creation of himself is as seer and subject matter or seen, two things. But as soon as the dream is over, the "seen" disappears. But the seer remains. Now he is in his original position”. <O:PSrila Prabhupada makes it very clear– “Our separation from Krishna is like that. We dream this body and so many relationships with other things. First the attachment comes to enjoy sense gratification. Even with Krishna desire for sense gratification is there. There is a dormant attitude for forgetting Krishna and creating an atmosphere for enjoying independently. Just like at the edge of the beach, sometimes the water covers, sometimes there is dry sand, coming and going". Srila Prabhupada - "Our position is like that, sometimes covered, sometimes free, just like at the edge of the tide. As soon as we forget, immediately the illusion is there. Just like as soon as we sleep, dream is there.” <!--StartFragment --> <O:PSrila Prabhupada clearly emphasizes the fact– “We cannot say therefore that we are not with Krishna. As soon as we try to become Lord, immediately we are covered by Maya. FORMERLY WE WERE WITH KRSNA IN HIS LILA OR SPORT. But this covering of Maya may be of very, very, very, very long duration; therefore many creations are coming and going. Due to this long period of time it is sometimes said that we are ever-conditioned. But his long duration of time becomes very insignificant when one actually comes to Krsna consciousness. Just like in a dream we are thinking very long time, but as soon as we awaken we look at our watch and see it has been a moment only. Just like with Krsna's friends, they were kept asleep for one year by Brahma, but when they woke up and Krsna returned before them, they considered that only a moment had passed”. <O:PQuestion– Before you answer why so many jiva consciousnesses choose to forget their nitya-siddha body serving Krishna and come to the material creation, if there was no beginning to the jiva, why do so many caste Vaishnava Brahmana guru’s and big, big Gaudiya swamis arrogantly and persistently claim they originated from tatastha when the Gita tells us there is no origin or beginning point of life? <O:PAnswer – India is full of gurus and caste brahmanas, unfortunately many of them are Gaudiya Vaisnavas, who mostly read only speculated translations of previous Acharayas and Vedic texts with their English version of interpretation of those texts that has been subtly influence by Impersonalism over hundreds of years undermining Krishna’s Personal creation of marginal persons, claiming they believe and can prove their nonsense impersonal tatastha origins of the jiva-consciousness. We must understand what personalism is, we must understand that Krishna's creation is personal which means we are all persons as well. Many Gaudiya Vaisnavas have all become polluted with Impersonalism and deny the unfathomable greatness of Lord Krishna’s inconceivable PERSONAL creation. We are all persons first as a perpetual nitya-siddha body (marginal living entity) with an eternal svarupa that always exists even if we cannot remember that Krishna Conscious bodily form. <O:PAll impersonalism (tatastha-consciousness) has its beginning in the creation originally due to ones nitya-baddha condition of marginal fallen consciousness which is the lower self of ones perpetual authentic nitya-siddha self as already explained. Krishna’s creation has always been which means He is always an eternal bodily person and so are all His marginal effulgent emanations of subsidiary beings. This understanding is the basic difference between a Personalist and an Impersonalist This understanding is the basic difference between a personalist and an Impersonalist although there are far worse impersonal conditions were one denies Krishna altogether and argue that from the Brahmajyoti is where we originally came from, and to the Brahmajyoti we will return. <O:PRegrettably their understanding of the Brahmajyoti is Impersonal instead of understanding all our origins are personal. The Impersonalists, Buddhists and Vaishnavas who believe in the impersonal origins of the jiva, cannot understand that on the top most platform of transcendental Knowledge, the entire creation steams from personalism, it is all personal, the original appearance of the jiva or atma is sat-cit-ananda-vigraha that we further call the nitya-siddha-svarupa. Ones consciousness however can fall to an Impersonal condition but they certainly do not originate fro it. Therefore the Impersonal Brahmajyoti is a bye product or manifestation created by Krishna, yet exhibited by HIS marginal vigraha devotees via their secondary consciousness (conditioned existence) that firsts manifests in the mahat-tattva, then after many births and deaths, find liberation from that material frustrating condition in the Impersonal dormant aspect of their consciousness (that is also Krishna’s marginal force or jiva-s’akti/s) we call the Impersonal Brahmajyoti. <O:PIn a nut shell and the simplest way possible in explaining what the Impersonal Brahmajyoti and tatastha is, is the Impersonal Brahmajyoti is nothing other than the dormant condition of the nitya-siddhas secondary (conditioned) nitya-baddha consciousness that vibrates between the Vaikunthas and the mahat-tattva in the over-all Brahmajyoti or Spiritual Sky. The Brahmajyoti is created by the Krishna via His marginal nitya-siddhas when they manifest their secondary (conditioned) nitya-baddha restricted consciousness. Firstly try to understand that tatastha and the Impersonal Brahmajyoti is a dormant conscious condition of the nitya-baddha lower non-Krishna conscious self (jiva-tattva or a secondary (conditioned) extension of Krishna’s marginal energy radiating ultimately from His Supreme Vigraha body), or secondary (conditioned) consciousness that primarily expanded out of their perpetual individual nitya-siddha-svarupa rasa Krishna Conscious body in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha due to choice and nothing else because Maha-Maya cannot exist in Vaikuntha. This secondary consciousness (conditioned by ones choices, thoughts, dreams and desires) is then transferred by Yoga-Maya out of Vaikuntha to the mahat-tattva cloud, then placed under the jurisdiction of Maha-Maya, the wife of the facilitator and creator of the mahat-tattva, Maha-Vishnu. <O:PMany of us have possibly come and gone to that tatastha condition of our own consciousness on many, many occasions. Therefore it is clear that none of us in this room or the entire creation originated from the Impersonal Brahmajyoti, which is not possible because our tatastha conscious condition is only a transitional conscious state of the life force. <O:PSrila Prabhupada says that the existence in the brahmajyoti, merging together with other individual jiva-tatasthas, without loss of individuality, is ultimately just another form of conditioned life or dreaming. Sri Isopanisad explains that the extended secondary dreaming jiva-tattva consciousness is always appealing to Krishna to uncover their real authentic transcendental conscious identity and bodily source in Goloka and remove the veil of the restricted bodily containers in the mahat-tattva as well as the mundane Brahman tatastha consciousness or impersonal Brahmajyoti realization or ‘break away freedom from the mahat-tattva’ and reveal to them it is all (both entrapments in the mahat-tattva and the Impersonal Brahmajyoti) are both a dream and the result of an extended conscious condition caused by ones non-Krishna Conscious desires, thoughts and dreams. In this way ones secondary conscious condition trapped in mahat-tattva consciousness or tatastha consciousness does not see its full potential and true beautiful eternally youthful devotional Krishna Conscious bodily real authentic identity, which is the source of their secondary conscious existence. This is because of ones self centered desires for adoration, fame and wealth they have chosen to pursue. Many Impersonalist yogis, Jains, Buddhists and even many Vaishnava traditions, including many Gaudiya Vishnavas, cannot understand that it is their mundane secondary consciousness (conditioned existence) that exists in this material creation that was originally projected or transmitted from their perpetual rasa body in the Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha incessant portion of the Spiritual Sky that enters the mahat-tattva and then, after billions of births, only then can manifests AS a spark of consciousness ONLY in the Impersonal Brahmajyoti as confirmed by Jiva Gosvami. Why do so many jiva’s fall from Goloka to the mahat-tattva? <!--StartFragment --> Now to answer your question of why so, so many trillions upon trillion of nitya-siddha-svarupa’s choose to activate their lower self or secondary nitya-baddha dreaming consciousness and enter the dreams of Maha-Vishnu, that is simply answered. <O:PIt is clear in shastra that 25% of the marginal vigrahas (not as their nitya-siddha bodies) do enter the non-Krishna Conscious mahat-tattva cloud simple because of choice which numbers are enormous and in the trillions and trillions as we see arond us, however, it must be made clear that only 25% of nitya-siddhas' choose to make that secondary conscious plunge, not as their nitya-siddha bodily form, but as the shadow of their perpetual body called the nitya baddha, as the Srimad Bhagavatam teaches us, most never come to the mahat-tattva creation of Lord Vishnu. It’s hard to get our mind around this fact because many of us have the frog in the well mentality in our present day Spiritual primitive 21<SUP>st</SUP> century society in Kali-yuga. And yes trillions and trillions choose to transmigrate ‘consciously’ to the mahat-tattva, otherwise what need would there be for such a creation? Krishna simply gives us choice, which is the constitutional position of all of Krishna's marginal emanations. Yet remember it is only 25% of creation who‘consciously’ enter the mahat-tattva in their dream state nitya-baddha lower consciousness. This means 25% of all marginal nitya-siddha-svarupa devotees activate their secondary non-Krishna conscious nitya-baddha dream condition and enters the dreams of Maha-Vishnu within the mahat-tattva (Temporary material manifestation), but never as their perpetual svarupa vigraha bodily form that always remains in Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha. Everything in Krishna’s Abode is always eternally there because of the perpetual and imperishable nature of His Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha Spiritual Sky or Abode The various Vedic texts tell us that the perpetual <ST1>Kingdom of<ST1> Krishna</ST1> is an eternal active place of boundless pastimes where nothing perishes. Everything in Krishna’s Abode is always eternally there because of the perpetual and imperishable nature of His Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha Spiritual Sky or Abode. This means ones eternal, perpetual, unchanging, continuous, everlasting, ceaseless, never ending, long lasting nitya-siddha-atma-vigraha Krishna Conscious body is always there and can never leave or fall down because of the eternal nature of Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha. Perpetual means nothing there can decay perish or disappear. It is because of the many meanings of Sanskrit words (170 meanings to the word jiva) and the many analogies used by Vaishnava scholars, (like the sun and the sunrays) many have misunderstood and have either given improper translations into many languages around the world, or who have taken analogies like the sun and the sun rays literally. Was Srila Bhaktisiddhanta, the Spiritual Master of His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, trying to explain that the living being was originally tossed down from the effulgent advaya light, but upgrading his followers' conditioning by adding the term "Vaikuntha" into this compound? Or, rather, was he trying to restructure the hardened conditioning of his scholastic well-wishers and even some of his devotees (who had become affected by the widespread interpretations of Impersonal origins prevalent at the time) by throwing in the term "advaya" to the compound advaya-vaikuntha. This is an unclear quote, and you can see how subtle the debate gets when these kinds of quotations are referenced. The Impersonal Brahmajyoti is therefore a manifestation of the secondary conscious condition of the nitya-siddha-svarupa devotees in Goloka as already clearly explained. Therefore the Impersonal Brahmajyoti is a phenomenon created by nitya-baddha secondary conscious condition of the nitya-siddha-atma-vigraha perpetual body and simultaneously facilitated by the sleeping Maha-Vishnu in the mahat-tattva cloud. As such, Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha in the perpetual aspect of the Spiritual Sky is one and the same with the Brahmajyoti because the entire creation is the Brahmajyoti or the Brahman effulgence emanating/surrounding Krishna. In the Brahmajyoti, there exists all the Vaikuntha planets and Krishnas’ personified marginal devotees known as the nitya-siddha-svarupa devotees (they are the living personified vigrahas or Brahman effulgence in its highest understanding). Also in the Brahmajyoti there exists the mahat-tattva where the marginal vigraha devotees in Vaikuntha radiate from there being a secondary version of themselves that is only manifested when they choose to disrupt the perfect Krishna Conscious atmosphere of Vaikuntha. When they choose to do so, they are transferred by Yoga-Maya to Maha-Maya in the Mahat-tattva cloud in the Brahmajyoti and enter the dreams of Maha-Vishnu. Only there does Krishna allow His marginal created beings to do as they please and face the consequences however, they can never enter the mahat-tattva in their nitya-siddha-svarupa body, that is not possible, therefore their entry into the mahat-tattva is compared to a dreaming consciousness or the shadow of who they really are. Srila Prabhupada, from his Bhagavad gita introduction -"Arjuna was in a relationship with the Lord as friend. Of course there is a gulf of difference between this friendship and the friendship found in the material world. This is transcendental friendship, which cannot be had by everyone. Of course everyone has a particular relationship with the Lord, and that relationship is evoked by the perfection of devotional service. But in the present status of our life, not only have we forgotten the Supreme Lord, but WE HAVE FORGOTTEN OUR eternal relationship with the Lord. Every living being, out of the many, many billions and trillions of living beings, has a particular relationship with the Lord eternally. That is called svarupa. By the process of devotional service, one can REVIVE that svarupa, and that stage is called svarupa-siddhi—perfection of one's constitutional position". <O:PNote, the life force is also known as the jiva-sakti, jiva-tattva, jiva-prakrita, jiva-nikaya, jiva-tatastha that are all various stages of dreaming consciousness (nitya-baddha dreaming condition) that is projected outside of the perpetual Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha from ones perpetual nitya-siddha-svarupa body in the Spiritual Sky and into the impermanent mahat-tattva cloud that is in one corner of that same Spiritual Sky. The dreamless tatastha conscious dreamless condition of the jiva-tattva is situated between the Vaikuntha’s and the mahat-tattva cloud and is known as the Impersonal Brahmajyoti. Such a dreamless conscious stat, like the mahat-tattva, is not permanent due to the inherent trait of eternal activity the lower conscious tatastha consciousness inherits from it nitya-siddha full consciousness or real genuine perpetual bodily self. <!--StartFragment -->

<TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Maha Vishnu the over Lord of the mahat-tattva and His Good wife Durga or Maya Krishna or God is a perpetual ‘Bodily-Person’ and so are all of the individual marginal potencies (souls) that emanate/surround Him. We hear from the Vedic texts that the Supreme Brahman or Brahmajyoti exhibits Krishna’s (God’s) effulgence, and therefore everything becomes illuminated. We can understand from Brahma-samhita that this Brahmajyoti, or the Brahman effulgence, emanates from the Personal body of Lord Krishna. Many Vaishnava philosophers have considered this effulgence of bodily individuals or souls to be Impersonal however, all ‘so-called sparks in the effulgence or souls’ in Krishna’s ‘energy emission of rays’ are actually the manifestation of unlimited individual bodily-personalities that are referred to as Krishna’s marginal potency, sparks or jiva-atma-vigraha souls. Even the terminology ‘originally manifested’ is incorrect because there is no beginning or end to Krishna or His marginal devotee’s. One thing is certain; all living entities that enter the dark mahat-tattva cloud in the far corner of the Spiritual Sky have all originated from the Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha, not as their perpetual devotional Krishna Conscious body, but rather as a transformation of consciousness caused by non-Krishna conscious desires. All marginal sparks, souls, jiva's, atoms in the effulgence, potencies, energies etc are all individual bodily personalities that originally manifested as an eternally Krishna (God) Conscious devotional body or sat-cit-ananda-vigraha. (Eternity, knowledge, bliss and svarupa form) It is only when they (the marginal devotee’s as their authentic devotional body) foolishly transmit a 'secondary conscious phenomenon’ (jiva-bhutah) to the mahat-tattva (material universe), that such knowledge of their original service to Krishna in the transcendental body they really are, is temporarily lost (never severed due to their spiritual body being the source of their transmitted jiva bhutah consciousness) and the disease of Impersonalism (Mayavadism) and confinement to ethereal and biological vessels or bodies, overwhelms and traps their transferred secondary consciousness to the confines of the material temporary universe or mahat-tattva. The unfortunate unknowledgeable view of believing our origins are from Impersonal origins even affects many great Vaishnava devotee’s like Srila Bhaktirakshaka Sridhar Dev Goswami Maharaja, Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja Swami, B.G. Narasingha and many others in the Gaudiya Math. Many Vaishnava philosophers have considered this effulgence of bodily individuals or souls to be Impersonal however, all ‘so-called sparks in the effulgence or souls’ in Krishna’s ‘energy emission of rays’ are actually the manifestation of unlimited individual bodily-personalities that are referred to as Krishna’s marginal potency, sparks or jiva-atma-vigraha souls. Their understanding of the jiva or souls origins is simply incorrect. The fact is, we are all eternal person as a perpetual transcendental body and always have been that bodily form. We can either accept that Krishna conscious bodily origins, or we can deny that body and consciously transfer our desires, aspirations, dreams and thoughts to he mahat-tattva (impermanent material universe of self centered importance). Ultimately Krishna’s ‘marginal-potency-bodily personalities’ are the Brahmajyoti!! It is from all those perpetual bodily individuals forms (vigraha’s), who are always engaged in various pastimes with Krishna in Goloka-Vrndavana or Vishnu within the surrounding Vaikuntha planets, may sometimes go on to ‘consciously’ (never as the body they are eternally, that is their true selfless devotional unique self) leave Krishna’s imperishable abode and enter the perishable mahat-tattva cloud within one corner of the Spiritual Sky in a secondary non-Krishna conscious state that automatically becomes an Impersonal phenomenon within the Brahmajyoti. Only in this way, via the mahat-tattva cloud, can the Impersonal Brahmajyoti temporarily exist. All the ‘individual bodily subsidiary sparks (vigraha’s) of the effulgence originating from Krishna’ are actually collectively the Brahmajyoti Brahman effulgence or Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha’s bodily personalities serving Krishna. The mahat-tattva on the other hand, is also part and the parcel of the Brahmajyoti, and comes into existence due the dreams of Maha-Vishnu (the parcel or energetic) and simultaneously the non-Krishna conscious desires, aspirations, thoughts and dreams of the marginal living entities (the part or energy) perpetually serving the either Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrndavana when they abandon that service. Without the part, (marginal) the parcel (Krishna) is not complete – without the marginal secondary transmitted consciousness emanating from the marginal living entities authentic bodily origins, Maha-Vishnu’s dreams within the mahat-tattva and incomplete. Krishna and his marginal devotee’s are inseparable even when his marginal servants choose even when His marginal servants choose to extend their consciousness to a secondary existence away from the full potentialities of their own original devotional bodily identity. Because Krishna is the Supreme Personality of God and the cause of all causes, He anticipates such choices of His marginal energy (vigraha’s). In other words, for Krishna to be complete, the marginal potency, including their secondary transmitted consciousness, actually make Krishna the absolute-whole or simultaneously one and different (acintya-beda-beda-tattva) It is because Krishna allows individuality, He knows in advance that some will choose to reject Him and their own Krishna conscious nitya-siddha-svarupa-sat-cit-ananda-vigraha body and apt for the secondary option which is the mahat-tattva or material universe. For Krishna to be complete, He creates this secondary option via His Maha-Vishnu expansion (technically Maha-Vishnu is an expansion of Balarama who is Krishna’s brother). The mahat-tattva is created ironically out of love for His marginal vigraha devotee’s because He would rather they choice to love or serve Him than be like a slave or ‘mindless’ servant without free will. Therefore one can stay in Krishna’s Autocratic Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha realm if they choose, or they can ‘consciously’ enter the impermanent mahat-tattva (never as their authentic bodily form as that body is perpetually part and parcel of the Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha Spiritual Sky). All of Krishna’s marginal ‘sparks’ have the same bodily features like Krishna – sat-cit-ananda-vigraha. The marginal potency or sparks emanating from the whole categorically means individual bodily personalities emanating and surrounding Krishna’s Personal bodily form. Sometimes this is compared to a fire from whence those individual sparks come from. It’s only a metaphor, a allegory, a figure of speech, Krishna is certainly not a blazing fire in His Ultimate self and bodily form and neither are the marginal individual bodily personalities impersonal sparks emanating from that blazing fire. Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead who is often referred to as the energetic, while His marginal servants are known as the marginal energies however, in both cases the original and ultimate appearance of both Krishna (energetic) and His marginal potency (energies) are always individual bodily personalities of Master (Krishna) and servant (marginal individuals called nitya-siddha-svarupa-sat-cit-ananda-vigraha eternal devotee’s of Krishna). In other words every living entity (marginal potency) has an original devotional bodily form that is perpetually serving Krishna in unlimited pastimes within either Goloka-Vrndavana or Vaikuntha. As explained, it is important to understand that Krishna’s marginal potency bodily personalities are the Brahmajyoti!! It is from all those perpetual bodily individuals forms (vigraha’s), who are always engaged in various pastimes with Krishna in Goloka-Vrndavana or Vishnu within the surrounding Vaikuntha planets, that a secondary non-Krishna conscious phenomenon may sometimes ‘consciously’ leave or be projected from their Krishna conscious authentic original bodily self within the imperishable abode of Krishna (Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha). This is how the living entity (a secondary projected non-Krishna conscious self, enters or falls down to the perishable mahat-tattva cloud within one corner of the Spiritual Sky in a inferior non-Krishna conscious state that automatically becomes an Impersonal phenomenon within the Brahmajyoti existing in the mahat-tattva cloud. Only in this way, via the mahat-tattva cloud (never as ones authentic body that can never leave Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha realm), can the Impersonal Brahmajyoti temporarily exist. All the ‘individual bodily marginal sparks (souls, jiva’s, living entities or life force) of the effulgence emanating/surrounding Krishna, are actually collectively the Brahmajyoti Brahman effulgence or the Vaikuntha’s that is eternally glowing with individual personalities in perpetual devotional bodies. It must be give emphasis to, that the mahat-tattva, also part of the Brahmajyoti, comes into existence due to the dreams of Maha-Vishnu in partnership (the parcel and the part can never be separated) with the non-Krishna conscious desires, aspirations, thoughts and dreams of the marginal living entities perpetually serving in either Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrndavana, when they foolishly desire to be the master instead of the servant. All of Krishna’s marginal ‘sparks, jivas' or souls’ have the same bodily features like Him. Sparks emanating from the whole means individual bodily personalities emanating and surrounding Krishna’s Personal bodily form that is compared to a fire from whence those individual sparks come from. The terminology of sparks, energies, atoms in the effulgence, and potency are only metaphors, a allegories - a figure of speech, Krishna is certainly not a blazing fire in His Ultimate self and form and neither are the marginal individual bodily personalities impersonal sparks emanating from that blazing fire. Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead who is often referred to as the energetic, while His marginal servants are known as the marginal energies however, in both cases the original and ultimate appearance of both Krishna (energetic) and His marginal potency (energies) are always individual bodily personalities of Master (Krishna) and servant (marginal individuals called nitya-siddha-svarupa-sat-cit-ananda-vigraha eternal devotee’s of Krishna). In is way it is clear that every living entity (marginal potency) has/is an original devotional bodily form that is perpetually serving Krishna in unlimited pastimes within either Goloka-Vrndavana or Vaikuntha whether they are aware of who they really are or not.

<TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Maha Vishnu the over Lord of the mahat-tattva and His Good wife Durga or Maya Krishna or God is a perpetual ‘Bodily-Person’ and so are all of the individual marginal potencies (souls) that emanate/surround Him. We hear from the Vedic texts that the Supreme Brahman or Brahmajyoti exhibits Krishna’s (God’s) effulgence, and therefore everything becomes illuminated. We can understand from Brahma-samhita that this Brahmajyoti, or the Brahman effulgence, emanates from the Personal body of Lord Krishna. Many Vaishnava philosophers have considered this effulgence of bodily individuals or souls to be Impersonal however, all ‘so-called sparks in the effulgence or souls’ in Krishna’s ‘energy emission of rays’ are actually the manifestation of unlimited individual bodily-personalities that are referred to as Krishna’s marginal potency, sparks or jiva-atma-vigraha souls. Even the terminology ‘originally manifested’ is incorrect because there is no beginning or end to Krishna or His marginal devotee’s. One thing is certain; all living entities that enter the dark mahat-tattva cloud in the far corner of the Spiritual Sky have all originated from the Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha, not as their perpetual devotional Krishna Conscious body, but rather as a transformation of consciousness caused by non-Krishna conscious desires. All marginal sparks, souls, jiva's, atoms in the effulgence, potencies, energies etc are all individual bodily personalities that originally manifested as an eternally Krishna (God) Conscious devotional body or sat-cit-ananda-vigraha. (Etenity, knowledge, bliss and form) It is only when they (the marginal devotee’s as their authentic devotional body) foolishly transmit a 'secondary conscious phenomenon’ (jiva-bhutah) to the mahat-tattva (material universe), that such knowledge of their original service to Krishna in the transcendental body they really are, is temporarily lost (never severed due to their spiritual body being the source of their transmitted jiva bhutah consciousness) and the disease of Impersonalism (Mayavadism) and confinement to ethereal and biological vessels or bodies, overwhelms and traps their transferred secondary consciousness to the confines of the material temporary universe or mahat-tattva. The unfortunate unknowledgeable view of believing our origins are from Impersonal origins even affects many great Vaishnava devotee’s like Srila Bhaktirakshaka Sridhar Dev Goswami Maharaja, Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja Swami, B.G. Narasingha and many others in the Gaudiya Math. Many Vaishnava philosophers have considered this effulgence of bodily individuals or souls to be Impersonal however, all ‘so-called sparks in the effulgence or souls’ in Krishna’s ‘energy emission of rays’ are actually the manifestation of unlimited individual bodily-personalities that are referred to as Krishna’s marginal potency, sparks or jiva-atma-vigraha souls. Their understanding of the jiva or souls origins is simply incorrect. The fact is, we are all eternal person as a perpetual transcendental body and always have been that bodily form. We can either accept that Krishna conscious bodily origins, or we can deny that body and consciously transfer our desires, aspirations, dreams and thoughts to he mahat-tattva (impermanent material universe of self centered importance). Ultimately Krishna’s ‘marginal-potency-bodily personalities’ are the Brahmajyoti!! It is from all those perpetual bodily individuals forms (vigraha’s), who are always engaged in various pastimes with Krishna in Goloka-Vrndavana or Vishnu within the surrounding Vaikuntha planets, may sometimes go on to ‘consciously’ (never as the body they are eternally, that is their true selfless devotional unique self) leave Krishna’s imperishable abode and enter the perishable mahat-tattva cloud within one corner of the Spiritual Sky in a secondary non-Krishna conscious state that automatically becomes an Impersonal phenomenon within the Brahmajyoti. Only in this way, via the mahat-tattva cloud, can the Impersonal Brahmajyoti temporarily exist. All the ‘individual bodily subsidiary sparks (vigraha’s) of the effulgence originating from Krishna’ are actually collectively the Brahmajyoti Brahman effulgence or Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha’s bodily personalities serving Krishna. The mahat-tattva on the other hand, is also part and the parcel of the Brahmajyoti, and comes into existence due the dreams of Maha-Vishnu (the parcel or energetic) and simultaneously the non-Krishna conscious desires, aspirations, thoughts and dreams of the marginal living entities (the part or energy) perpetually serving the either Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrndavana when they abandon that service. Without the part, (marginal) the parcel (Krishna) is not complete – without the marginal secondary transmitted consciousness emanating from the marginal living entities authentic bodily origins, Maha-Vishnu’s dreams within the mahat-tattva and incomplete. Krishna and his marginal devotee’s are inseparable even when his marginal servants choose even when His marginal servants choose to extend their consciousness to a secondary existence away from the full potentialities of their own original devotional bodily identity. Because Krishna is the Supreme Personality of God and the cause of all causes, He anticipates such choices of His marginal energy (vigraha’s). In other words, for Krishna to be complete, the marginal potency, including their secondary transmitted consciousness, actually make Krishna the absolute-whole or simultaneously one and different (acintya-beda-beda-tattva) It is because Krishna allows individuality, He knows in advance that some will choose to reject Him and their own Krishna conscious nitya-siddha-svarupa-sat-cit-ananda-vigraha body and apt for the secondary option which is the mahat-tattva or material universe. For Krishna to be complete, He creates this secondary option via His Maha-Vishnu expansion (technically Maha-Vishnu is an expansion of Balarama who is Krishna’s brother). The mahat-tattva is created ironically out of love for His marginal vigraha devotee’s because He would rather they choice to love or serve Him than be like a slave or ‘mindless’ servant without free will. Therefore one can stay in Krishna’s Autocratic Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha realm if they choose, or they can ‘consciously’ enter the impermanent mahat-tattva (never as their authentic bodily form as that body is perpetually part and parcel of the Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha Spiritual Sky). All of Krishna’s marginal ‘sparks’ have the same bodily features like Krishna – sat-cit-ananda-vigraha. The marginal potency or sparks emanating from the whole categorically means individual bodily personalities emanating and surrounding Krishna’s Personal bodily form. Sometimes this is compared to a fire from whence those individual sparks come from. It’s only a metaphor, a allegory, a figure of speech, Krishna is certainly not a blazing fire in His Ultimate self and bodily form and neither are the marginal individual bodily personalities impersonal sparks emanating from that blazing fire. Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead who is often referred to as the energetic, while His marginal servants are known as the marginal energies however, in both cases the original and ultimate appearance of both Krishna (energetic) and His marginal potency (energies) are always individual bodily personalities of Master (Krishna) and servant (marginal individuals called nitya-siddha-svarupa-sat-cit-ananda-vigraha eternal devotee’s of Krishna). In other words every living entity (marginal potency) has an original devotional bodily form that is perpetually serving Krishna in unlimited pastimes within either Goloka-Vrndavana or Vaikuntha. As explained, it is important to understand that Krishna’s marginal potency bodily personalities are the Brahmajyoti!! It is from all those perpetual bodily individuals forms (vigraha’s), who are always engaged in various pastimes with Krishna in Goloka-Vrndavana or Vishnu within the surrounding Vaikuntha planets, that a secondary non-Krishna conscious phenomenon may sometimes ‘consciously’ leave or be projected from their Krishna conscious authentic original bodily self within the imperishable abode of Krishna (Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha). This is how the living entity (a secondary projected non-Krishna conscious self, enters or falls down to the perishable mahat-tattva cloud within one corner of the Spiritual Sky in a inferior non-Krishna conscious state that automatically becomes an Impersonal phenomenon within the Brahmajyoti existing in the mahat-tattva cloud. Only in this way, via the mahat-tattva cloud (never as ones authentic body that can never leave Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha realm), can the Impersonal Brahmajyoti temporarily exist. All the ‘individual bodily marginal sparks (souls, jiva’s, living entities or life force) of the effulgence emanating/surrounding Krishna, are actually collectively the Brahmajyoti Brahman effulgence or the Vaikuntha’s that is eternally glowing with individual personalities in perpetual devotional bodies. It must be give emphasis to, that the mahat-tattva, also part of the Brahmajyoti, comes into existence due to the dreams of Maha-Vishnu in partnership (the parcel and the part can never be separated) with the non-Krishna conscious desires, aspirations, thoughts and dreams of the marginal living entities perpetually serving in either Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrndavana, when they foolishly desire to be the master instead of the servant. All of Krishna’s marginal ‘sparks, jivas' or souls’ have the same bodily features like Him. Sparks emanating from the whole means individual bodily personalities emanating and surrounding Krishna’s Personal bodily form that is compared to a fire from whence those individual sparks come from. The terminology of sparks, energies, atoms in the effulgence, and potency are only metaphors, a allegories - a figure of speech, Krishna is certainly not a blazing fire in His Ultimate self and form and neither are the marginal individual bodily personalities impersonal sparks emanating from that blazing fire. Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead who is often referred to as the energetic, while His marginal servants are known as the marginal energies however, in both cases the original and ultimate appearance of both Krishna (energetic) and His marginal potency (energies) are always individual bodily personalities of Master (Krishna) and servant (marginal individuals called nitya-siddha-svarupa-sat-cit-ananda-vigraha eternal devotee’s of Krishna). In is way it is clear that every living entity (marginal potency) has/is an original devotional bodily form that is perpetually serving Krishna in unlimited pastimes within either Goloka-Vrndavana or Vaikuntha whether they are aware of who they really are or not.

I agree theist, but wat the heck, you and Vigraha are the only wise men on this thread . Anyway I found this fantastic painting This place of ‘the dreaming’ is called the PERISHABLE mahat-tattva that is a real phenomenon in the Spiritual Sky yet temporary. <TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> The mahat-tattva is created by Maha-Vishnu To experience the choice of self-centered non-Krishna conscious dreams and desires, the secondary nitya-baddha consciousness (jiva-bhutah, jiva-tattva, jiva-sakti etc, etc) is extended or projected out of Vaikuntha and into the mahat-tattva or material universe. Such dreaming consciousness originates from ones nitya-siddha svarupa body which is existing perpetually outside of the mahat-tattva cloud. When one is awake in their biological body, or when one is dreaming in that body, it is still the same ‘self’ existing on two completely different levels of consciousness at the same time, one in the biological body, the other as dreamed up fantasies the biological body is dreaming. <O:P Such dreams appear real while ones biological body is sleeping, so real, one completely forgets the biological body one is dreaming from. In a comparable way to understand this, when ones dreams or thoughts are not <ST1:PKrishna conscious, they create a secondary conscious state called the jiva-bhutah conscious condition or "conditioned state" brought about by ones Krishna Conscious desires and DREAMS. This state of consciousness is then transferred to within the mahat-tattva cloud (material universe), which is real but temporary and house in ethereal and eventually biological bodies provided by Maha-Vishnu that enables the visiting jiva-sakti consciousness in the eclosed atmosphere of the mahat-tattva or material creation. In this way, the thoughts of ones lower self, unlike the illusionary unreal dreams one has while their biological body is sleeping, are actually a real reality but subject to decay. Remember, on this level of consciousness, your thoughts are your actions and stays that way while even contained in ethereal vessels within the material heavenly planets. Only in the middle planets of biological vessels are ones thoughts and dreams suppressed. Ones sleeping biological body dreaming, is only an analogy and it does not mean the biological understanding of dreaming is the way we dream ourselves out of the Vaikuntha’s. <O:PThere is a difference, ones dreams within Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha are non different from reality or actions. In other words, if one has non-Krishna Conscious thoughts, dreams or desires, they cannot experience those thoughts, desires or dreams in the devotionally uninterrupted <ST1>Kingdom of </ST1><ST1>Krishna. Krsnaloka or Vishnuloka To experience the choose of self-centered dreams and desires, the secondary conscious nitya-baddha consciousness (jiva-bhutah, jiva-tattva, jiva-sakti etc, etc) is extended or projected to the mahat-tattva or material universe originating from ones nitya-siddha svarupa dody outside of the mahat-tattva. In this way, ones secondary consciousness is transferred to within the confines and restrictions (being contained in ethereal and biological vessels) of mahat-tattva when one is unaware of their real original identity and form (The atma-vigraha or nitya-siddha-svarupa Krishna Conscious body). As already explained, this means all of us (all marginal living entities) have an eternal shape, form, body and connection that is forever with Krishna in His everlasting Abode which is infinitely eternal even though from moment to moment, we may choose to consciously deny of this everlasting reality due to our desire to experience existence separate from Krishna. Only then, after that choice is made, does forgetfulness enter the equation where ones fantasies of independent grandeur away from beautiful Krishna is created by our dreaming secondary consciousness that transmits one to the material universe (mahat-tattva) or nitya-baddha forgetful condition of existence as the jiva-bhutah conscious condition that originates from our perprtual bodily form in Goloka-Vrndavana.

This place of ‘the dreaming’ is called the PERISHABLE mahat-tattva that is a real phenomenon in the Spiritual Sky yet temporary. <TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> The mahat-tattva is created by Maha-Vishnu To experience the choice of self-centered non-Krishna conscious dreams and desires, the secondary nitya-baddha consciousness (jiva-bhutah, jiva-tattva, jiva-sakti etc, etc) is extended or projected out of Vaikuntha and into the mahat-tattva or material universe. Such dreaming consciousness originates from ones nitya-siddha svarupa body which is existing perpetually outside of the mahat-tattva cloud. When one is awake in their biological body, or when one is dreaming in that body, it is still the same ‘self’ existing on two completely different levels of consciousness at the same time, one in the biological body, the other as dreamed up fantasies the biological body is dreaming. <O:PSuch dreams appear real while ones biological body is sleeping, so real, one completely forgets the biological body one is dreaming from. In a comparable way to understand this, when ones dreams or thoughts are not <ST1:PKrishna conscious, they create a secondary conscious state called the jiva-bhutah conscious condition or "conditioned state" brought about by ones Krishna Conscious desires and DREAMS. This state of consciousness is then transferred to within the mahat-tattva cloud (material universe), which is real but temporary and house in ethereal and eventually biological bodies provided by Maha-Vishnu that enables the visiting jiva-sakti consciousness in the eclosed atmosphere of the mahat-tattva or material creation. In this way, the thoughts of ones lower self, unlike the illusionary unreal dreams one has while their biological body is sleeping, are actually a real reality but subject to decay. Remember, on this level of consciousness, your thoughts are your actions and stays that way while even contained in ethereal vessels within the material heavenly planets. Only in the middle planets of biological vessels are ones thoughts and dreams suppressed. Ones sleeping biological body dreaming, is only an analogy and it does not mean the biological understanding of dreaming is the way we dream ourselves out of the Vaikuntha’s. <O:PThere is a difference, ones dreams within Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha are non different from reality or actions. In other words, if one has non-Krishna Conscious thoughts, dreams or desires, they cannot experience those thoughts, desires or dreams in the devotionally uninterrupted <ST1>Kingdom of </ST1><ST1>Krishna. Krsnaloka or Vishnuloka To experience the choose of self-centered dreams and desires, the secondary conscious nitya-baddha consciousness (jiva-bhutah, jiva-tattva, jiva-sakti etc, etc) is extended or projected to the mahat-tattva or material universe originating from ones nitya-siddha svarupa dody outside of the mahat-tattva. In this way, ones secondary consciousness is transferred to within the confines and restrictions (being contained in ethereal and biological vessels) of mahat-tattva when one is unaware of their real original identity and form (The atma-vigraha or nitya-siddha-svarupa Krishna Conscious body). As already explained, this means all of us (all marginal living entities) have an eternal shape, form, body and connection that is forever with Krishna in His everlasting Abode which is infinitely eternal even though from moment to moment, we may choose to consciously deny of this everlasting reality due to our desire to experience existence separate from Krishna. Only then, after that choice is made, does forgetfulness enter the equation where ones fantasies of independent grandeur away from beautiful Krishna is created by our dreaming secondary consciousness that transmits one to the material universe (mahat-tattva) or nitya-baddha forgetful condition of existence as the jiva-bhutah conscious condition that originates from our perprtual bodily form in Goloka-Vrndavana.

"The material universe set aside in one corner of the Spiritual Sky is also for the nitya-siddhas non-Krishna conscious dreaming condition (nitya-baddha), that temporary cloud in the vast perpetual Spiritual Sky (25% of the creation) is created by Maha-Vishnu and is known as the mahat-tattva or the cloud for the dreaming" Srila Prabhupada: -"We never had any occasion when we were separated from Krishna. Just like one man is dreaming and he forgets himself. In dream he creates himself in different forms: now I am the King discussing like that. This creation of himself is as seer and subject matter or seen, two things. But as soon as the dream is over, the "seen" disappears. But the seer remains. Now he is in his original position. Our separation from Krishna is like that. We dream this body and so many relationships with other things. First the attachment comes to enjoy sense gratification. Even with Krishna desire for sense gratification is there". The mahat-tattva cloud of the dreaming

"The material universe set aside in one corner of the Spiritual Sky is also for the nitya-siddhas non-Krishna conscious dreaming condition (nitya-baddha), that temporary cloud in the vast perpetual Spiritual Sky (25% of the creation) is created by Maha-Vishnu and is known as the mahat-tattva or the cloud for the dreaming" Srila Prabhupada: -"We never had any occasion when we were separated from Krishna. Just like one man is dreaming and he forgets himself. In dream he creates himself in different forms: now I am the King discussing like that. This creation of himself is as seer and subject matter or seen, two things. But as soon as the dream is over, the "seen" disappears. But the seer remains. Now he is in his original position. Our separation from Krishna is like that. We dream this body and so many relationships with other things. First the attachment comes to enjoy sense gratification. Even with Krishna desire for sense gratification is there". The mahat-tattva cloud of the dreaming

The wonderful Maha Vishnu who's dreams are the also the realitites of ones nitya-baddha consciousness that manifests as a sub-conscious alternative to ones perpetual nitya-siddha-svarupa body in Gloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha. Garbhodakasayi Vishnu the first expansion of Maha-Vishnu It is within the wonderful and terrible dreams of sleeping Maha-Vishnu, who is the Over Lord of the Maha-tattva and the provider of ethereal and biological vessels, that ones nitya-baddha consciousness or jiva-tattva is housed so the extended jiva-tattva consciousness can act out their non-Krishna Conscious thoughts, desires and dreams without Krishna directly. Of course Krishna (technically Balarama, Krishnas' older brother) is always with them as the Paramātma (Kshirodakasayi Vishnu) and provides the jiva-tattva consciousness with eveything they desire or dream off as long as they earn it according to the karmic laws that govern the mahat-tattva.