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Jayapataka Swami, early morning in the temple, Mayapur

Quote: <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #666666 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 3ex; BORDER-TOP: #666666 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 3ex; BORDER-LEFT: #666666 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #666666 1px solid" bgColor=#e0e0e0>Originally Posted by Svarupa Although obviously some Gopis are Vishnu tattva while others are jiva tattva - there is no third catorgory of souls Srila Prabhupada explains this very clearly - ‘We are also expansions of Krishna’s form. These jivas, the living entities… Krishna is expanding in two ways, svamsa and vibhinnamsa. Svamsa means Vishnu. One extension, expansion, is just directly He Himself. And another expansion (vibhinnamsa) is separated from Him. That separated from Him (marginal) we are’. Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture 1.3.1-3 — San Francisco, March 28, 1968<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> In Prabhupada’s 1969 lecture on Radhastami, which he gave in London, he said, “Radharani IS the pleasure potency, hladhini Shakti.” Srila Prabhupada - “Without Radha, there is no meaning to Krishna, and without Krishna there is no meaning to Radha”<o:p></o:p> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <!-- END TEMPLATE: bbcode_quote --> In understanding hladhini Shakti, it is important to understand the above. Also there are very special jiva-tattvas (Gopis) who who take shelter of Srimati Radharani however, even though it may appear they are in an exaulted catorgory of their own and NEVER fall down like the many Vishnu tattva Gopis, they are always jiva tattva (refere to the example of the Pancha tattva) Some Gopis are Vishnu tattva while others are jiva tattva - period. There are very special jiva-tattvas (Gopis) who who take shelter of Srimati Radharani however, even though it may appear they are in an exaulted catorgory of their own and NEVER fall down even though that choice is theres due to being marginal, they always remain jiva tattva, marginal or the tatastha shakti of the Lord also even though they are under the shelter of the hladhini Shakti <!-- sig -->

In understanding hladhini Shakti, it is important to understand the above. Also there are very special jiva-tattvas (Gopis) who who take shelter of Srimati Radharani however, even though it may appear they are in an exaulted catorgory of their own and NEVER fall down like the many Vishnu tattva Gopis, they are always jiva tattva (refere to the example of the Pancha tattva) Some Gopis are Vishnu tattva while others are jiva tattva - period. There are very special jiva-tattvas (Gopis) who who take shelter of Srimati Radharani however, even though it may appear they are in an exaulted catorgory of their own and NEVER fall down even though that choice is theres due to being marginal, they always remain jiva tattva, marginal or the tatastha shakti of the Lord also even though they are under the shelter of the hladhini Shakti

Guru maharaj told me to take him to the bathroom to see how he can take shower! He asked me if we had a gamcha for him. 15-Dec-08, report<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /> HH Jayapataka Maharaj’s status report by Dr Madhavananda das, Director of Bhaktivedanta Hospital, Mumbai With the tracheostomy tube out, the doctor gave Maharaj permission to take a bath. Today he was taken to the bathroom in a wheelchair and given a bath. He is progressing with his ability of standing. He’s made to walk with a lot of support. Please continue praying. 13-Dec-08, from Maha Varaha prabhu 13th Dec 2008 Afternoon Shift 12noon - 6pm Today is the day the tracheostomy tube came out iraculously. Bhadra Balaram Prabhu had described it in detail in his report. Today is also the first day Guru Maharaja was clad with saffron cloths after being in the hospital for almost 52 days. He looked very vibrant with his personal saffron kurta and silk pyjamas. It was 1.15pm, time to feed lunch for Guru Maharaja. While Guru Maharaja was relaxing on his bed, I asked him, “Guru Maharaja! Are you ready for the lunch?” He remained silent. Then I noticed he was trying to roll around his Brahmin thread on his right hand side thumb. But he was not able to do it properly by himself. After I helped Guru Maharaja to roll around the Brahmin thread, Guru Maharaja started to chant his gayatri by slowly moving his right hand side thumb accordingly with the help of his left hand. Since the last few days Guru Maharaja also chanted Hare Krsna Maha Mantra with his clicker. After chanting the gayatri mantra we fed lunch for Guru Maharaja. After the lunch Guru Maharaja took 10 minutes nap. Then at 2.55pm we shifted Guru Maharaja on a wheelchair and rushed him to the physiotherapy department. Since it was Saturday the physiotherapy department generally closes by 3pm, fortunately the therapist were still there when we rolled up. While we were in the physiotherapy department Dr.Shiromani received a call that we got another deluxe room available at the 15th floor, which we original asked for. It is as similar as the room on the 7th floor but with the bed facing towards South. After the physiotherapy session we took Guru Maharaja straight to 15th floor for him to have look. Guru Maharaja decided to shift here because he was very concerned about the sleeping direction. I thought, though Guru Maharaja is not travelling from city to city but he is still travelling from ward to ward. From 10th floor to 2nd floor then to 7th floor and now to 15th floor. We made Guru Maharaja to relax on the bed and started to set up the new room. While Guru Maharaja was relaxing on the bed, Dr.Alvar came in to visit Guru Maharaja. In the middle of their conversation Dr.Alvar who is an ardent devotee of Lord Krishna mentioned to Guru Maharaja, “Your recovery is miraculous and I heard your case will be discussed in the international health forum.” Guru Maharaja replied with full of humility on his face, “Its all because of prayers.” At 6pm after having his evening fruit Guru Maharaja wanted to take little rest to sleep on left hand side. We turned him over on his left with pillows on his back to support him. Within 5 minutes he fell asleep. For the first time after 52 days i heard Guru Maharaja was snoring quite loudly. JPS Servants 12-Dec-08, from Maha Varaha prabhu 12th Dec 2008 Morning Shift 6am - 12noon This morning Guru Maharaja looked very energetic. Guru Maharaja had his breakfast at 8.15am. While having his breakfast Dr.Syamalal Prabhu from Bhaktivedanta Hospital was with Guru Maharaja discussing about the development of Guru Maharaja’s health. While Guru Maharaja was relaxing on his bed after having his breakfast, Dr.P.P. Ashok came in for his routine check. He greeted Guru Maharaja, “Good Morning Swamiji! How are you today?” Guru Maharaja replied, “I am Ok. Getting better. Need more time.” Dr.Ashok commented,”You need time and also you need Krsna.” Guru Maharaja said,”Yes! Krsna.” Dr.P.P Ashok is one of the main doctor who has been monitoring the progress of Guru Maharaja’s health from day one since he was admitted in the hospital. In the beginning some of the doctors expressed no hope for Guru Maharaja to recover. But from the above comment made by Dr.P.P.Ashok we could clearly understand that Guru Maharaja’s miraculous recovery has rejuvenated the faith on Lord Krsna in many doctors, nurses and staffs of Hinduja Hospital. Braj Hari Prabhu visited to inform Guru Maharaja that he is trying to shift Guru Maharaja to a private deluxe room. He also got the room confirmed later. At 3pm, before we went to physiotherapy department we were informed that Guru Maharaja will be shifted to a deluxe room located at 15th floor. After the physiotherapy session, when we returned to the ICU at around 5pm we were told that Guru Maharaja will be shifted to similar kind of deluxe room located at 7th floor. We had no choice, so we accepted the changes. We packed all our belongings and shifted with Guru Maharaja on a wheelchair from the 2nd floor ICU to 7th floor deluxe room. Everything about this deluxe room was upto our satisfaction but the direction of bed and the bed itself was not good. It was an olden style manual hospital bed. Guru Maharaja was not able to stretch his legs properly. The bed was facing the northern direction. With not much choice left, we accepted the room considering the privacy for Guru Maharaja is the most important factor. Finaly with the help of our devotees and some hospital staffs we got an electronic bed for Guru Maharaja. JPS Servants 13-Dec-08, report by Bhadra Balaram prabhu Dear Devotees, Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Guru Maharaja and Srila Prabhupada! By now you should be knowing that Guru Maharaj’s tracheostomy tube is no more there and he has no more tube going inside his body! Well, it happenned in a far out way. We know how Dr. Hegde had been delaying this for almost more than a week and wanted to still keep it for few more days for additional safety. Today some time after Guru Maharaj took prasadam, we found some drops of liquid on his shirt but couldn’t figure out what it was. It looked like drops of water. Anyway we didn’t discuss much but I had some concern so I kept specualting as to what it could be. After some time we moved Guru Maharaj to a wheelchair for going to physiotherapy dept., soemthing that Guru Maharaj is really into as he knows it’s going to help him walk, travel and preach! But as we were about to start. Dr. Shiromani mataji noted something strange. She found Guru Maharaj’s tracheostomy tube hanging outside his neck, like a locket! I guess she couldn’t believe it first and again looked at it carefully. Yes! it was the tube that we all have been waiting to get removed! She immediately alarmed us not to touch it as it could trigger serious infection and called the nurse. Nurses came running and went back to report to the concerned doctor. One of the nurses came back and told us not to panic and that the doctor was on the way. Immediately after that Dr. Hegde walked in, smiling, almost laughing, something that I never saw in him before this day! He was followed by a lady doctor Dr. Mayuri, representing Dr. P. Ashok, and a few more nurses. I was impressed to note how they were all there practically in a minute! But the other far our thing was, Dr. Hegde didn’t know what had happened before he was apparently told by the nurse when he arrived. He had just come to 7th floor to check patients. Also Dr. Mayuri who was sent by Dr. P. Ashok also ddin’t know that Dr. Hegde was going to be there! They all got together there at the right time obviously by Lord Krishna’s arrangement for his pure devotee. I heard Dr. Ashok had jokingly said “looks like Swamiji pulled it out himself..!” When someone made this comment to Guru Maharaj in front of Dr. Hegde, Guru Maharaj very innocently noded his head and said “I didn’t do it”! (I can still see that scene in front of my eyes!). Dr. Hegde was astonished but couldn’t express much, I guess, as he had to maintain his profile. He, still amused, and smile on his face, told the nurse to get him gloves which she did. He told the nurse to cut the string / ribbon off and once it was done applied some medicine to prevent infection. He then closed it off with cotton and happily told Guru Maharaj, “you can have your shower tomorrow”. After doctors and nurses left I told Guru Maharaj how it was so special of him and that Krishna had shown to Dr. Hegde (and team) that Guru Maharaj cannot be kept as an ordinary patient. That although he wanted to keep the tracheostomy tube for additional safety, when Guru Maharaj was very eager to get rid of it, by Krishna’s arrangement the tube popped out on its own! I think it was when Dr. Shiromani mataji told guru maharaj that there was no more tube in his body, he lifted his two hands on his own (as much as he could) and said “Hari Bol…!”. Guru maharaj told me to take him to the bathroom to see how he can take shower! He asked me if we had a gamcha for him. I took him on the wheelchair to the bathroom and as we were discussing, Dr. Mayuri, who had come on behalf of Dr. Ashok came back and was shocked to see Guru Maharaj next to bathroom! She exclaimed “oh he cannot take shower now!” I told her it wasn’t the case and she cooled down. She had come to say that Guru Maharaj needed to be monitored at least for an hour and if any symptom of difficulty in breathing, etc. appeared we should just remove the tape and call the doctor. When she said that today there should be no physiotherapy, Guru Maharaj told her how it was important for him to go for physiotherapy. In the end she agreed saying if he didn’t face any difficulty until 2pm she would let him go! I lightly told her that Guru Maharaj had a very strong will power and that he could easily manage to not show any symptom of difficulty for a few hours to make sure he can go for physiotherapy! Any way, as he is, Guru Maharaj was there in physiotherapy dept. during afternoon session! Actually Dr. Mayuri was quite impressed by Guru Maharaj’s spirit and agreed that it was Krishna’s arragement that the tube came out on its own. Actually by now, all dotctors and hospital staff treating Guru Maharaj are happy with him. I just came to know from Mahavaraha prabhu that Guru Maharaj had no difficulty without the tracheostomy tube and had nice rest during afternoon hours. Now the main concern is his immune system as his WBC (white blood cells) count is very low and doctors are anxiously waiting to see it increase as as he is now, any small infection could cause a serious problem. He needs to be carefully protected from infection and this is one reason he has been shifted to a private room although on the other hand he has become physically stronger by Lord Krishna’s mercy. Please keep praying. Thanks. Hare Krishna Your servant, Bhadra Balaram Das

Guru maharaj told me to take him to the bathroom to see how he can take shower! He asked me if we had a gamcha for him. 15-Dec-08, report<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> HH Jayapataka Maharaj’s status report by Dr Madhavananda das, Director of Bhaktivedanta Hospital, Mumbai<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> With the tracheostomy tube out, the doctor gave Maharaj permission to take a bath. Today he was taken to the bathroom in a wheelchair and given a bath.<o:p></o:p> He is progressing with his ability of standing. He’s made to walk with a lot of support. Please continue praying.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> 13-Dec-08, from Maha Varaha prabhu<o:p></o:p> 13th Dec 2008 Afternoon Shift 12noon - 6pm<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Today is the day the tracheostomy tube came out iraculously. Bhadra Balaram Prabhu had described it in detail in his report. Today is also the first day<o:p></o:p> Guru Maharaja was clad with saffron cloths after being in the hospital for almost 52 days. He looked very vibrant with his personal saffron kurta and<o:p></o:p> silk pyjamas.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> It was 1.15pm, time to feed lunch for Guru Maharaja. While Guru Maharaja was relaxing on his bed, I asked him, “Guru Maharaja! Are you ready for the lunch?” He remained silent. Then I noticed he was trying to roll around his Brahmin thread on his right hand side thumb. But he was not able to do it properly by himself. After I helped Guru Maharaja to roll around the Brahmin thread, Guru Maharaja started to chant his gayatri by slowly moving his right hand side thumb accordingly with the help of his left hand. Since the last few days Guru Maharaja also chanted Hare Krsna Maha Mantra with his clicker.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> After chanting the gayatri mantra we fed lunch for Guru Maharaja. After the lunch Guru Maharaja took 10 minutes nap. Then at 2.55pm we shifted Guru Maharaja on a wheelchair and rushed him to the physiotherapy department.<o:p></o:p> Since it was Saturday the physiotherapy department generally closes by 3pm, fortunately the therapist were still there when we rolled up.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> While we were in the physiotherapy department Dr.Shiromani received a call that we got another deluxe room available at the 15th floor, which we original asked for. It is as similar as the room on the 7th floor but with<o:p></o:p> the bed facing towards South. After the physiotherapy session we took Guru<o:p></o:p> Maharaja straight to 15th floor for him to have look. Guru Maharaja decided to shift here because he was very concerned about the sleeping direction. I thought, though Guru Maharaja is not travelling from city to city but he is<o:p></o:p> still travelling from ward to ward. From 10th floor to 2nd floor then to 7th floor and now to 15th floor.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> We made Guru Maharaja to relax on the bed and started to set up the new room. While Guru Maharaja was relaxing on the bed, Dr.Alvar came in to visit<o:p></o:p> Guru Maharaja. In the middle of their conversation Dr.Alvar who is an ardent<o:p></o:p> devotee of Lord Krishna mentioned to Guru Maharaja, “Your recovery is miraculous and I heard your case will be discussed in the international health forum.” Guru Maharaja replied with full of humility on his face, “Its all because of prayers.”<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> At 6pm after having his evening fruit Guru Maharaja wanted to take little rest to sleep on left hand side. We turned him over on his left with pillows on his back to support him. Within 5 minutes he fell asleep. For the first<o:p></o:p> time after 52 days i heard Guru Maharaja was snoring quite loudly.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> JPS Servants<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> 12-Dec-08, from Maha Varaha prabhu<o:p></o:p> 12th Dec 2008 Morning Shift 6am - 12noon<o:p></o:p> This morning Guru Maharaja looked very energetic. Guru Maharaja had his breakfast at 8.15am. While having his breakfast Dr.Syamalal Prabhu from Bhaktivedanta Hospital was with Guru Maharaja discussing about the development of Guru Maharaja’s health. While Guru Maharaja was relaxing on his bed after having his breakfast, Dr.P.P. Ashok came in for his routine check. He greeted Guru Maharaja, “Good Morning Swamiji! How are you today?” <o:p></o:p> Guru Maharaja replied, “I am Ok. Getting better. Need more time.” Dr.Ashok commented,”You need time and also you need Krsna.” Guru Maharaja said,”Yes!<o:p></o:p> Krsna.”<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Dr.P.P Ashok is one of the main doctor who has been monitoring the progress of Guru Maharaja’s health from day one since he was admitted in the hospital. In the beginning some of the doctors expressed no hope for Guru<o:p></o:p> Maharaja to recover. But from the above comment made by Dr.P.P.Ashok we could clearly understand that Guru Maharaja’s miraculous recovery has rejuvenated the faith on Lord Krsna in many doctors, nurses and staffs of<o:p></o:p> Hinduja Hospital.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Braj Hari Prabhu visited to inform Guru Maharaja that he is trying to shift Guru Maharaja to a private deluxe room. He also got the room confirmed later. At 3pm, before we went to physiotherapy department we were informed that Guru Maharaja will be shifted to a deluxe room located at 15th floor. <o:p></o:p> After the physiotherapy session, when we returned to the ICU at around 5pm we were told that Guru Maharaja will be shifted to similar kind of deluxe room located at 7th floor. We had no choice, so we accepted the changes.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> We packed all our belongings and shifted with Guru Maharaja on a wheelchair from the 2nd floor ICU to 7th floor deluxe room. Everything about this deluxe room was upto our satisfaction but the direction of bed and the bed itself was not good. It was an olden style manual hospital bed. Guru Maharaja was not able to stretch his legs properly. The bed was facing the northern direction. With not much choice left, we accepted the room considering the privacy for Guru Maharaja is the most important factor.<o:p></o:p> Finaly with the help of our devotees and some hospital staffs we got an electronic bed for Guru Maharaja.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> JPS Servants<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> 13-Dec-08, report by Bhadra Balaram prabhu<o:p></o:p> Dear Devotees,<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Guru Maharaja and Srila Prabhupada!<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> By now you should be knowing that Guru Maharaj’s tracheostomy tube is no more there and he has no more tube going inside his body!<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Well, it happenned in a far out way. We know how Dr. Hegde had been delaying this for almost more than a week and wanted to still keep it for few more days for additional safety.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Today some time after Guru Maharaj took prasadam, we found some drops of liquid on his shirt but couldn’t figure out what it was. It looked like drops of water. Anyway we didn’t discuss much but I had some concern so I kept specualting as to what it could be. After some time we moved Guru Maharaj to a wheelchair for going to physiotherapy dept., soemthing that Guru Maharaj is really into as he knows it’s going to help him walk, travel<o:p></o:p> and preach!<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> But as we were about to start. Dr. Shiromani mataji noted something strange. She found Guru Maharaj’s tracheostomy tube hanging outside his neck, like a locket! I guess she couldn’t believe it first and again looked at it<o:p></o:p> carefully. Yes! it was the tube that we all have been waiting to get removed! She immediately alarmed us not to touch it as it could trigger serious infection and called the nurse. Nurses came running and went back to report to the concerned doctor.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> One of the nurses came back and told us not to panic and that the doctor was on the way.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Immediately after that Dr. Hegde walked in, smiling, almost laughing, something that I never saw in him before this day! He was followed by a lady doctor Dr. Mayuri, representing Dr. P. Ashok, and a few more nurses. I was impressed to note how they were all there practically in a minute!<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> But the other far our thing was, Dr. Hegde didn’t know what had happened before he was apparently told by the nurse when he arrived. He had just come to 7th floor to check patients. Also Dr. Mayuri who was sent by Dr. P. Ashok also ddin’t know that Dr. Hegde was going to be there! They all got together there at the right time obviously by Lord Krishna’s arrangement for his pure devotee.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> I heard Dr. Ashok had jokingly said “looks like Swamiji pulled it out himself..!” When someone made this comment to Guru Maharaj in front of Dr. Hegde, Guru Maharaj very innocently noded his head and said “I didn’t do it”! (I can still see that scene in front of my eyes!). Dr. Hegde was astonished but couldn’t express much, I guess, as he had to maintain his profile. He, still amused, and smile on his face, told the nurse to get him gloves which she did. He told the nurse to cut the string / ribbon off and<o:p></o:p> once it was done applied some medicine to prevent infection. He then closed it off with cotton and happily told Guru Maharaj, “you can have your shower tomorrow”.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> After doctors and nurses left I told Guru Maharaj how it was so special of him and that Krishna had shown to Dr. Hegde (and team) that Guru Maharaj cannot be kept as an ordinary patient. That although he wanted to keep the tracheostomy tube for additional safety, when Guru Maharaj was very eager to<o:p></o:p> get rid of it, by Krishna’s arrangement the tube popped out on its own!<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> I think it was when Dr. Shiromani mataji told guru maharaj that there was no more tube in his body, he lifted his two hands on his own (as much as he<o:p></o:p> could) and said “Hari Bol…!”.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Guru maharaj told me to take him to the bathroom to see how he can take shower! He asked me if we had a gamcha for him. I took him on the wheelchair to the bathroom and as we were discussing, Dr. Mayuri, who had come on behalf of Dr. Ashok came back and was shocked to see Guru Maharaj<o:p></o:p> next to bathroom! She exclaimed “oh he cannot take shower now!” I told her it wasn’t the case and she cooled down. She had come to say that Guru Maharaj needed to be monitored at least for an hour and if any symptom of difficulty in breathing, etc. appeared we should just remove the tape and<o:p></o:p> call the doctor.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> When she said that today there should be no physiotherapy, Guru Maharaj told her how it was important for him to go for physiotherapy. In the end she agreed saying if he didn’t face any difficulty until 2pm she would let him go! I lightly told her that Guru Maharaj had a very strong will power and that he could easily manage to not show any symptom of difficulty for a few hours to make sure he can go for physiotherapy! Any way, as he is, Guru Maharaj was there in physiotherapy dept. during afternoon session! Actually Dr. Mayuri was quite impressed by Guru Maharaj’s spirit and agreed that it was Krishna’s arragement that the tube came out on its own. Actually by now, all dotctors and hospital staff treating Guru Maharaj are happy with him.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> I just came to know from Mahavaraha prabhu that Guru Maharaj had no difficulty without the tracheostomy tube and had nice rest during afternoon hours.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Now the main concern is his immune system as his WBC (white blood cells) count is very low and doctors are anxiously waiting to see it increase as as he is now, any small infection could cause a serious problem. He needs to be carefully protected from infection and this is one reason he has been shifted to a private room although on the other hand he has become physically stronger by Lord Krishna’s mercy. Please keep praying. Thanks.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Hare Krishna<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Your servant,<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Bhadra Balaram Das<o:p></o:p>

Here one can find a picture of Lord Sudarshan Salagram sila on a ring, and a yantra the story for how They were given by a South Indian brahmin for maharaj's protection will come later. This picture was taken by Mitra Gopi devi dasi (JPS) in Sao Paulo, Brazil, July 2004. Jayapataka Swami carries the Salagram with him on his hand daily. The mood is that the Lord is riding or travelling on maharaj, thus maharaj being like a vehicle for the Lord to reach different places all over the world. Maharaj is very respectful to the Salagram and keeps Him very carefully and is protected by Him. When he comes to a temple, on occassion he puts the ring on the altar. In case anyone may think that the Salagram set in a ring like this to be ordinary "bling bling" jewellry, it is not a fact. Devotees who travel with Silas like this are very careful to not inconvenience the Lord in anyway, and obviously do not have such a ring open for display when eating, visiting bathrooms or defacating etc in the same way that one would not take one's japa beads to a filthy place. <CENTER> These photos were taken during the summer of 2004 in Atlanta GA by Sikhi Mahiti prabhu ACBSP The daily seva puja is very simply, he pours water on him and chants some prayers. Then, he offers some food. The other ring is a Tadiya gift to Jayapataka Swami, and worn by his guru maharaj Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad - although maharaj doesn't always wear this tadiya ring he keeps it safely with him. Prabhupada Tadiya, Sudarshan Salagram, and Sudarshan Yantra ring(s) Pictures below by Varun Vaishnav prabhu Picture by Varun Vaishnav prabhu. The picture above shows maharaj giving maha-prasadam oils from Lord Nrsimhadev and Radha Madhava in Mayapur to devotees </CENTER>

Here one can find a picture of Lord Sudarshan Salagram sila on a ring, and a yantra the story for how They were given by a South Indian brahmin for maharaj's protection will come later. This picture was taken by Mitra Gopi devi dasi (JPS) in Sao Paulo, Brazil, July 2004. Jayapataka Swami carries the Salagram with him on his hand daily. The mood is that the Lord is riding or travelling on maharaj, thus maharaj being like a vehicle for the Lord to reach different places all over the world. Maharaj is very respectful to the Salagram and keeps Him very carefully and is protected by Him. When he comes to a temple, on occassion he puts the ring on the altar. In case anyone may think that the Salagram set in a ring like this to be ordinary "bling bling" jewellry, it is not a fact. Devotees who travel with Silas like this are very careful to not inconvenience the Lord in anyway, and obviously do not have such a ring open for display when eating, visiting bathrooms or defacating etc in the same way that one would not take one's japa beads to a filthy place. <CENTER> These photos were taken during the summer of 2004 in Atlanta GA by Sikhi Mahiti prabhu ACBSP The daily seva puja is very simply, he pours water on him and chants some prayers. Then, he offers some food. The other ring is a Tadiya gift to Jayapataka Swami, and worn by his guru maharaj Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad - although maharaj doesn't always wear this tadiya ring he keeps it safely with him. Prabhupada Tadiya, Sudarshan Salagram, and Sudarshan Yantra ring(s) Pictures below by Varun Vaishnav prabhu Picture by Varun Vaishnav prabhu. The picture above shows maharaj giving maha-prasadam oils from Lord Nrsimhadev and Radha Madhava in Mayapur to devotees </CENTER>

Friday, December 12 - Evening report: HH Jayapataka Swami Maharaja's status report by Dr Madhavananda das, Director of Bhaktivedanta Hospital, Mumbai: Maharaja was shifted to the room today, out of the ICU. The tracheostomy tube is still there which will be removed next week. It's kept for precaution. The physiotherapists commented that Maharaja's standing is getting better. Today he was also made to cycle on the stationary cycle for 10 minutes. Friday, December 12 - Report from HG Maha Varaha Prabhu: 10th December 2008 - Night shift, 6 pm – 6 am Today HH Janananda Goswami Maharaja visited Guru Maharaja. He was about to leave the hospital when I went inside the ICU. Guru Maharaja was sitting on a chair next to his bed. e asked Guru Maharaja, "Do you prefer taking dinner while sitting on the chair or on the bed?" He said, "On the bed." Bhadra Balaram Prabhu went to call the hospital boys who always help us to carry Guru Maharaja. Today, Vasudevatmaja Prabhu, Guru Maharaja's personal cook from Mayapura came with us to the hospital to get some feed back from Guru Maharaja about his cooking. Guru Maharaja told him, "I am gaining strength because you are cooking nutritious food for me"!!! Guru Maharaja kind of lifted his arms to show him how stronger he was getting!! Can you imagine the satisfaction Vasudevatmaja prabhu must have experienced by hearing such nectarean words? While waiting for the boys to come I read couple of letters for Guru Maharaja. Guru Maharaja was listening to the letters while Vasudevatmaja Prabhu was cutting Guru Maharaja's toe nails. 25 minutes later we managed to put Guru Maharaja on his bed with the help of these boys. Soon after putting Guru Maharaja on the bed we started to feed dinner. While having his dinner Guru Maharaja asked, "You think Srila Prabhupada's chanting at the back is too loud? Does it disturb other patients?" I told Guru Maharaja, "So far we haven't heard any complaint about it, so nothing to worry." Though Guru Maharaja's health is in poor condition, I noticed his mood of caring for other's welfare remains the same. I was remembering how soon after he gained his consciousness he asked us, "Where are you all staying? Where are you taking prasadam in the hospital? Guru Maharaja took rest at 10.30pm. Before going to sleep he told me and Dr. Acyutananda to shift his sleeping position from left to right at 1am. At 1am we went in again to change his sleeping position. JPS Servants Friday, December 12 - Report from HG Isvara Puri Prabhu: December 4, 2008 - Afternoon shift: 1:00 pm - 8:00 pm Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada and to our beloved Gurudeva. We arrived at the hospital a little before 1pm. Maha Varaha Prabhu was waiting for us and commented that he was going to stay all day long in the hospital since he had to coordinate with us and teach us about the physiotherapy exercises for Guru Maharaja. This time they had Guru Maharaja seated on the edge of the bed with his lotus feet over a low chair. It was little difficult for Guru Maharaja to maintain the balance by himself. Therefore another devotee was holding him so that he wouldn't fall to the sides. Then Maha Varaha Prabhu began to feed prasada to Guru Maharaja. Actually it was a little complicated to feed Guru Maharaja in that position, but Guru Maharaja was determined to continue. I was asked to leave Guru Maharaja's room since there were enough devotees assisting Guru Maharaja. I was waiting downstairs. At about 7:30pm, I called Dharesh Prabhu, for us to go back to the temple because our shift was already finished. He replied me, "ISVARA PURI WE ARE MOVING GURU MAHARAJA TO ANOTHER ROOM. COME AND HELP US!" I immediately got into the lift and went to Guru Maharaja's room at the tenth floor to shift him to another room in second floor. It was really an unforgettable moment. This room is much better than the 10th floor as it is peaceful and a bigger space. Guru Maharaja was carefully brought to his new room. The first thing I saw were the two beautiful pictures of Radha Madhava right over the head of his bed. Guru Maharaja was shining like the sun! The nurses asked us in a very polite way to leave the room since they had to set up Guru Maharaja in his new room. In a short while they opened the curtains and we rushed in again like bees looking only for the nectar. There were pictures of Lord Narasimha and Panca Tattva put up on the wall. Guru Maharaja wanted to know where was east and Vidvan Gauranga prabhu went to find out. He returned with the good news that Guru Maharaja's head was facing the east. This made Guru Maharaja happy. I began to massage his divine lotus feet. Maha Varaha Prabhu commented that he had already given the good news of Guru Maharaja moving from ICCU to ICU to all the devotees in Mayapura. I said that everyone was going to become very happy and that the entire world was going to become very happy. Guru Maharaja raised his beautiful hand which I immediately held it, being thankful to him for the infinite love, compassion and mercy that he has towards us. Then we left the hospital. JPS servants

Friday, December 12 - Evening report: HH Jayapataka Swami Maharaja's status report by Dr Madhavananda das, Director of Bhaktivedanta Hospital, Mumbai: Maharaja was shifted to the room today, out of the ICU. The tracheostomy tube is still there which will be removed next week. It's kept for precaution. The physiotherapists commented that Maharaja's standing is getting better. Today he was also made to cycle on the stationary cycle for 10 minutes. Friday, December 12 - Report from HG Maha Varaha Prabhu: 10th December 2008 - Night shift, 6 pm – 6 am Today HH Janananda Goswami Maharaja visited Guru Maharaja. He was about to leave the hospital when I went inside the ICU. Guru Maharaja was sitting on a chair next to his bed. e asked Guru Maharaja, "Do you prefer taking dinner while sitting on the chair or on the bed?" He said, "On the bed." Bhadra Balaram Prabhu went to call the hospital boys who always help us to carry Guru Maharaja. Today, Vasudevatmaja Prabhu, Guru Maharaja's personal cook from Mayapura came with us to the hospital to get some feed back from Guru Maharaja about his cooking. Guru Maharaja told him, "I am gaining strength because you are cooking nutritious food for me"!!! Guru Maharaja kind of lifted his arms to show him how stronger he was getting!! Can you imagine the satisfaction Vasudevatmaja prabhu must have experienced by hearing such nectarean words? While waiting for the boys to come I read couple of letters for Guru Maharaja. Guru Maharaja was listening to the letters while Vasudevatmaja Prabhu was cutting Guru Maharaja's toe nails. 25 minutes later we managed to put Guru Maharaja on his bed with the help of these boys. Soon after putting Guru Maharaja on the bed we started to feed dinner. While having his dinner Guru Maharaja asked, "You think Srila Prabhupada's chanting at the back is too loud? Does it disturb other patients?" I told Guru Maharaja, "So far we haven't heard any complaint about it, so nothing to worry." Though Guru Maharaja's health is in poor condition, I noticed his mood of caring for other's welfare remains the same. I was remembering how soon after he gained his consciousness he asked us, "Where are you all staying? Where are you taking prasadam in the hospital? Guru Maharaja took rest at 10.30pm. Before going to sleep he told me and Dr. Acyutananda to shift his sleeping position from left to right at 1am. At 1am we went in again to change his sleeping position. JPS Servants Friday, December 12 - Report from HG Isvara Puri Prabhu: December 4, 2008 - Afternoon shift: 1:00 pm - 8:00 pm Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada and to our beloved Gurudeva. We arrived at the hospital a little before 1pm. Maha Varaha Prabhu was waiting for us and commented that he was going to stay all day long in the hospital since he had to coordinate with us and teach us about the physiotherapy exercises for Guru Maharaja. This time they had Guru Maharaja seated on the edge of the bed with his lotus feet over a low chair. It was little difficult for Guru Maharaja to maintain the balance by himself. Therefore another devotee was holding him so that he wouldn't fall to the sides. Then Maha Varaha Prabhu began to feed prasada to Guru Maharaja. Actually it was a little complicated to feed Guru Maharaja in that position, but Guru Maharaja was determined to continue. I was asked to leave Guru Maharaja's room since there were enough devotees assisting Guru Maharaja. I was waiting downstairs. At about 7:30pm, I called Dharesh Prabhu, for us to go back to the temple because our shift was already finished. He replied me, "ISVARA PURI WE ARE MOVING GURU MAHARAJA TO ANOTHER ROOM. COME AND HELP US!" I immediately got into the lift and went to Guru Maharaja's room at the tenth floor to shift him to another room in second floor. It was really an unforgettable moment. This room is much better than the 10th floor as it is peaceful and a bigger space. Guru Maharaja was carefully brought to his new room. The first thing I saw were the two beautiful pictures of Radha Madhava right over the head of his bed. Guru Maharaja was shining like the sun! The nurses asked us in a very polite way to leave the room since they had to set up Guru Maharaja in his new room. In a short while they opened the curtains and we rushed in again like bees looking only for the nectar. There were pictures of Lord Narasimha and Panca Tattva put up on the wall. Guru Maharaja wanted to know where was east and Vidvan Gauranga prabhu went to find out. He returned with the good news that Guru Maharaja's head was facing the east. This made Guru Maharaja happy. I began to massage his divine lotus feet. Maha Varaha Prabhu commented that he had already given the good news of Guru Maharaja moving from ICCU to ICU to all the devotees in Mayapura. I said that everyone was going to become very happy and that the entire world was going to become very happy. Guru Maharaja raised his beautiful hand which I immediately held it, being thankful to him for the infinite love, compassion and mercy that he has towards us. Then we left the hospital. JPS servants

Srila Prabhupada - ‘When the living entity, misusing his tiny independence, wants to enjoy himself, he falls down into the material world.’(Srimad-Bhagavatam<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> 4.28.54, purport)<o:p></o:p> So many misunderstand our eternal constitution or eternal devotional ’svarupa’ foundations. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Paramahamsa: So we can come to the spiritual world and return? <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada: Yes.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Paramahamsa: Fall down?<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada: Yes. As soon as we try, “Oh, this material world is very nice,” “Yes,” Krsna says, “yes, you go . . . Otherwise what is the meaning of free will?’ Morning Walk, Cheviot Hills Golf Course May 13, 1973 Los Angeles<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Ravindra Svarup Prabhu - ‘‘When we “return” to the spiritual world, it will only be to discover that indeed we never left, and there has always been right here". Ravindra Svarup Prabhu - "We are right now with Krsna, for Krsna consciousness is our svarupa, our eternal identity and perpetual constitutional position. We need only wake up and see where we are". <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Ravindra Svarup Prabhu - "All this is known to Srila Prabhupada and to the acaryas. They know how one can fall from a place no one falls from, enter into an ignorance that has always been, and return to a place one never actually left". <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Ravindra Svarup Prabhu - "Because such matters are inconceivable to mundane minds, when teachers speak of such things their words may seem contradictory. But in one way or another they all tell the whole truth’ Ravindra Svarup dasa web site<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - ‘The original home of the living entity and the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the spiritual world. In the spiritual world both the Lord and the living entities live together very peacefully". (Srimad-Bhagavatam<o:p></o:p> 4.28.54, purport)<o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - ‘Since the living entity remains engaged in the service of the Lord, they both share a blissful life in the spiritual world. However, when the living entity, misusing his tiny independence, wants to enjoy himself, he falls down into the material world.’(Srimad-Bhagavatam<o:p></o:p> 4.28.54, purport)<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "Therefore the living entity is called marginal energy. But when the falldown has taken place for the conditioned soul is very difficult to ascertain. Therefore two classes are designated: eternally liberated (nitya-siddha) and eternally conditioned (nitya-baddha). But for arguments sake, a living entity being marginal energy, he can't be eternally conditioned (nitya-baddha). Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.28.54, purport)<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "The Time is so unlimited that the conditioned souls appear to be eternally so, but from the philosophical view he cannot be eternally conditioned (nitya-baddha).Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.28.54,purport)<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "Since we cannot trace out when we have become conditioned (baddha-jiva), there is no use of arguing on this point. Better to take care first how we can get rid of this conditional existence; as much as a patient should take care for treating his disease more, and less waste his time in finding out the cause of his disease".

Srila Prabhupada - ‘We are also expansions of Krishna’s form. These jivas, the living entities… Krishna is expanding in two ways, svamsa and vibhinnamsa. Svamsa means Vishnu. One extension, expansion, is just directly He Himself. And another expansion (vibhinnamsa) is separated from Him. That separated from Him (marginal) we are’. Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture 1.3.1-3 — San Francisco, March 28, 1968

That's not exactly correct. To put it simply, there are only two kinds of living entities, Vishnu tattva and jiva tattva While some gopis ARE expansions of Radharani, others are jiva-tattva. Just like the Pancha Tattva, four members are Vishnu tattva while the fifth is jiva tattva Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is the combination Radha and Krishna Himself, and is the highest manifestation of God in the combined form of the Supreme couple.However Krishna is the original Nityananda is Krishna's first personal expansion. Advaita Acharya is a combined incarnation of Lord Vishnu & Lord Shiva (Harihara). Gadadhara is an incarnation of Krishna's internal energy. Srivasa is Krishna's pure devotee Narada Muni who is the only jiva tattva in the Pancha tattva.

Tatastha does not refer to a place; it does not possess a locative meaning in the sense of being in a particular spot. Tatastha has an ontological meaning. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> The jiva is a sakti of the Lord, it exists as neither Cit Sakti nor as Maya Sakti, we exist in between these two categories of saktis, and therefore we are called Tatastha or marginal. The place where water, as in a river an ocean or lake, where it meets the land, that is called tata. <o:p></o:p> The Cit Sakti is represented by the water and the Maya Sakti us represented by the land. Since we are neither the Maya Sakti nor the Cit Sakti, neither the water nor the land, we are called tatastha, or the in-between the water and the land. <o:p></o:p> The tide can cause us to be submerged in water or the tide can retreat and we can become left on the land. The jiva can be influenced and come under the dominion of the Cit Sakti or of the Maya Sakti. <o:p></o:p> Either was the constitutional position of the jiva is tatastha sakti, the marginal potency, on the margin or border between 2 other potencies. <o:p></o:p> Sri Caitanya Caritamrta Madhya 20.108-109 <o:p></o:p> TRANSLATION <o:p></o:p> It is the living entity’s constitutional position to be an eternal servant of Krsna because he is the marginal energy of Krsna and a manifestation simultaneously one with and different from the Lord, like a molecular particle of sunshine or fire. Krsna has three varieties of energy”. <o:p></o:p> Yes, presently we are all dreaming as our nitya-baddha secondary self within the dreams of Maha-Vishnu while our authentic constitutional eternal self or foundation is perpetually a nitya-siddha devotee in Goloka serving Krishna? <o:p></o:p> Some interesting quotes are as follows - <o:p></o:p> Bhaktivinoda Thakura. – “However, because of contact with matter, the imprisoned soul loses the memory of his original spiritual form in Vaikuntha . . . material rasas are perverted reflections of the soul’s original spiritual rasas.’ Prema-pradipa, p. 83 <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - ‘‘Only the purified soul can attain the perfection of associating with the Personality of Godhead in complete bliss and satisfaction in his constitutional state. Whoever is able to renovate such devotional perfection is never again attracted by this material world, and he never returns.’ Srimad Bhagavatam 2.2.31 <o:p></o:p> Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Maharaj – “It is the jivas who are the attendants in His Sports. They become attached to matter, having deviated from their own essential nature as the result of their desire for enjoyment. But when again the soul . . . gains true wisdom of the transcendental region of God . . . he begins to get back his pure essential nature . . .’ Sri Chaitanya’s Teachings, page 323. <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - ‘ ‘By the grace of Krishna, we have complete freedom. Because the Lord is kind to us, we can live anywhere, either in the spiritual sky or in the material sky, upon whichever planet we desire. However, misuse of this freedom causes one to fall down into the material world and suffer the threefold miseries of conditioned life. The living of a miserable life in the material world by dint of the soul’s choice is nicely illustrated by Milton in Paradise Lost. Similarly, by choice, the soul can regain paradise and return home, back to Godhead.’ Caitanya-caritamrita, Adi Lila 5.22, Purport <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - ‘The original home of the living entity and the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the spiritual world. In the spiritual world both the Lord and the living entities live together very peacefully. Since the living entity remains engaged in the service of the Lord, they both share a blissful life in the spiritual world. However, when the living entity, misusing his tiny independence, wants to enjoy himself, he falls down into the material world.’ (Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.28.54, purport) <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - ‘Every living being, out of many, many billions and trillions of living beings has a particular relationship with the Lord eternally. That is called svarupa. By the process of devotional service, one can revive that svarupa, and that stage is called svarupa-siddhi–perfection of one’s constitutional position’. Introduction to the Bhagavad Gita as it is <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - ‘We are also expansions of Krishna’s form. These jivas, the living entities… Krishna is expanding in two ways, svamsa and vibhinnamsa. Svamsa means Vishnu. One extension, expansion, is just directly He Himself. And another expansion is separated from Him. That separated from Him (marginal) we are’. Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture 1.3.1-3 — San Francisco, March 28, 1968 <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada: Anyone, even in this world or spiritual world, he has got the propensity of coming down by misusing his little independence. It is nothing like that, that if you become president, you are secure. (Lecture, Atlanta, March 2, 1975) <o:p></o:p> So this dreaming condition (in the material creation or mahat-tattva) is called non-liberated life (inferior nitya-baddha bodiless conscious condition), and this is just like a dream. Although in this material calculation it is a long, long period, as soon as we come to Krishna consciousness (remembering our superior nitya-siddha-svarupa perpetual body) then this period is considered as a second”. <o:p></o:p> So many misunderstand our eternal constitution or eternal devotional ’svarupa’ foundations. <o:p></o:p> Paramahamsa: So we can come to the spiritual world and return? <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada: Yes. <o:p></o:p> Paramahamsa: Fall down? <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada: Yes. As soon as we try, “Oh, this material world is very nice,” “Yes,” Krsna says, “yes, you go . . . Otherwise what is the meaning of free will?’ Morning Walk, Cheviot Hills Golf Course May 13, 1973 Los Angeles <o:p></o:p> Ravindra Svarup Prabhu ‘ ‘When we “return” to the spiritual world, it will only be to discover that indeed we never left, and there has always been right here. We are right now with Krsna, for Krsna consciousness is our svarupa, our eternal identity and perpetual constitutional position. We need only wake up and see where we are. <o:p></o:p> All this is known to Srila Prabhupada and to the acaryas. They know how one can fall from a place no one falls from, enter into an ignorance that has always been, and return to a place one never actually left. <o:p></o:p> Because such matters are inconceivable to mundane minds, when teachers speak of such things their words may seem contradictory. But in one way or another they all tell the whole truth’ Ravindra Svarup dasa web site <o:p></o:p> Dhirasanta: Srila Prabhupada was walking in St. James’s Park, tapping his cane on the ice that had formed overnight. At one point he asked, <o:p></o:p> ‘What does this mean?’ <o:p></o:p> We looked at each other and wondered what we should say. Prabhupada asked again, <o:p></o:p> ‘What does this mean?’ <o:p></o:p> We couldn’t fathom what Prabhupada meant. Suddenly he said, <o:p></o:p> ‘Ice is maya. The original constitution of water is liquid, but when it comes in contact with freezing weather it becomes hard ice. And when there is ice, there is the possibility that you may slip.’ <o:p></o:p> Prabhupada may have been breaking the ice because he didn’t want anyone to slip. He continued the analogy, explaining that the heart becomes hard, but just as the sun rises and melts the ice, in the same way the continued chanting of the Hare Krishna maha-mantra softens the heart and reinstates the individual in his natural constitutional position. <o:p></o:p> If one is in an imperishable atmosphere then the very meaning of ‘imperishable’ is no one ever leaves as that constitution or foundational Krishna Conscious body they eternally are in Goloka or Vaikuntha. If they choose to reject Krishna however, they can only leave Goloka ’sub-consciously’ like one leaves their present body while dreaming. <o:p></o:p> The imperishable aspect of the jiva is ones eternal ’svarupa Krishna Conscious body’ or ones perpetual nitya-siddha constitutional position. Therefore the ‘perishable’ (nitya-baddha consciousness) is nothing other than a dreaming condition emanating from ones imperishable marginal identity while unconscious to their full constitutional nitya-siddha identity, which is everlastingly beyond the mundane decaying effect of time, past, present and future in the material creation (mahat-tattva) and ‘always’ in Goloka due to the 'eternal present'. <o:p></o:p> Bhaktivinoda Thakura explains this in his Jaiva Dharma, chapter 15 reads as follows, explaining what imperishable means, which is beyond the confines of material time and space: <o:p></o:p> Babaji: The space and time of the spiritual world are completely different from the space and time you are experiencing in this inert world. Material time is divided into past, present and future. <o:p></o:p> But in the spiritual world there is only the one imperishable present time. <o:p></o:p> Every event in the spiritual world is ever present. Whatever we speak or describe in the material world is under the influence of material space and material time. <o:p></o:p> Therefore, whenever we make statements such as, ‘the Jivas were created’, ‘thereafter the Jivas became bound by maya’, ‘the spiritual world became manifest’, ‘there is no aspect of maya in the constitution of the Jiva’, material time influences our language. These kinds of statements are unavoidable in our conditioned state. <o:p></o:p> For this reason, no statement concerning the Jiva and spirit is exempt from the jurisdiction of material time. <o:p></o:p> Feelings of past present and future naturally creep in. therefore, while experiencing the import of the descriptions of the spiritual world an spiritual objects, people who are devoted to pure thinking experience the changeless nature of present time. <o:p></o:p> Be very careful in this respect. Giving up the unwanted sense which is unavoidable (due to the influence of material time) try to experience the spirit…….. I know at present you will not be able to digest these subtleties so quickly. <o:p></o:p> As the spiritual influence will increase in your heart, so the spiritual understanding will easily increase, distinguishing it from the material conception. <o:p></o:p> You body is inert and so are all the bodily activities, but you are not; you are an atomic conscious being. The more you are able to understand yourself, the more you will experience yourself as superior to the material world. <o:p></o:p> Therefore, even if I explain it and you listen, you will not able to grasp it. The more you awaken your spiritual consciousness by taking shelter of the holy name, the more you will experience the spiritual world.” <o:p></o:p> (Bhaktivinoda Thakura. Jaiva Dharma, chapter 15.).

Yes, that’s right. As for the rest of the quote, if you count in the 'eternal present' of Goloka that has no past or future, meaning everything and every 'body' is already there, the full eternal position and potential of our tatastha or marginal position is ALWAYS in Goloka. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> So if our full potential is already there in Goloka due to the infallible state of the ‘eternal present’, isn't it obvious it is from there we originate even though it is said we are from the position of tatastha. (Simple meaning to choose between the ocean and the land or Krishna and the mahat-tattva) <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Do you understand what I am trying to say mataji? <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Tatastha is not a place or realm within the universe, it is the natural state of the jiva, ultimately meaning 'having the ability to choose this side or that side, to stay in Goloka or enter the mahat tattva.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> We are both correct but are seeing this from different perspectives. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> In other words, because of the simultaneous one a different aspect of Lord Caitanya’s teachings, we are always in Goloka (because of the eternal present) and tatastha-sakti simultaneously.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada never gave that much emphasis on the word tatastha in his books and preferred to use the word marginal more often in his books, e.g the marginal living entity

There is always free will, thats up to them, but no, they never falldown from that exalted level but it is not impossible for them to fall down, any jiva-tattva can fall down. Prabhupada has told us this but has said they do not come to this dangerous material creation unless it's for lila or pastime For real love to exist, there must be that choice to be with Krishna or with ones own self centred desires of grandur. That ability to choose must be there otherwise the gopis and all the other inhabidants of Goloka and Vaikuntha are robots, androids or the borg (assimulated into the Kingdom of God) There must be freewill to express love, that means choices

Yes, that is true but in this case, it is intense love due to separation. Therefore it is very common on this circumstance that one or even many of the gopis may pretend to be Krishna in order to remember Him and ease the pangs of separation for other gopis as well.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> This kind of love felt in separation is the highest love because it is love expressed due to dominant missed association as Prabhupada’s Nectar of Devotion teaches.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The dreaded selfish sub-conscious fall down from Goloka, where the living entity is actually not only imitating Krishna but trying to be Krishna, IS due to envy. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> How can this happen even in Goloka? <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The answer is free will and the ability is choose. Without that choice, we would be mindless androids or slaves. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Choice allows us to FOREVER increase our love for Krishna in our unique individual way that makes us the marginal living entity we eternally are. Or if we choose, we can forget Krishna and the body we serve Krishna as and ‘do our own thing’ in the mahat-tattva (material creation)<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> In this way, unlike the gopis who most NEVER fall down, even though they have the free will to choose so if they desire, we have foolishly chosen to try and imitate Krishna in Goloka selfishly and not out of love as the gopis do. It is important to understand 90% of the inhabitants in Goloka and Vaikuntha never ever fall down because it is simply their choice to never ‘sub-consciously’ stop ‘thinking’ and ‘dreaming’ of serving Krishna and his dear pure devotees.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Therefore it is our selfish sub-conscious desires that make us unfit to remain aware of Goloka that expel us, that expell our awareness of who we really are from Goloka and the memory of our perpetual Krishna Conscious nitya-siddha body .(who we really are eternally) becomes forgotten due to being lost in our mistaken dreams and thoughts <o:p></o:p> So only the awareness of who we are is expelled from Goloka and NOT our Spiritual svarupa body.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Therefore always remember that our vigraha, svarupa or nitya-siddha spiritual body can never fall down from Goloka, only our mistaken dreams, thoughts and desires do and take us (our awareness of reality) to the material creation where we can have a shot at being god.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> This sub-conscious state of restricted awareness is known as the nitya-baddha-jiva or baddha-jiva that refers to the living entities inferior self or secondary self which is a sub-conscious extension of their full eternal bodily identity and potential in Goloka.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> What is explained above is the correct understanding of the origin of the ‘jiva soul’ that is really understood by Krishna’s mercy and never by jnan (knowledge) on its own

No–one falls from Goloka, we only 'think' and 'dream' we fall <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The Spiritual Sky or its other words 'the Brahmajyoti' or the Brahman, is full of Spiritual Vaikuntha planets and eternally embodied nitya-siddhas (which is ALL of us) <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> However, within that same Spiritual Sky or Brahmajyoti, is the mahat tattva creation of Maha Vishnu, Who provides a 'mahat tattva' or material body to all nitya-baddha-jivas that enter His temporary material creation after they have sub-consciously extended, projected and withdrawn themselves from their their nitya-siddha body in Goloka or Vaikuntha. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Only within the mahat-tattva can the impersonal aspect of the Brahmajyoti (impersonal Brahman) exist. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Technically, the entire mahat-tattva is impersonal. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> One can only enter it as a bodiless conscious spark that ORIGINATES from Goloka-Vrndavana. This secondary sub-conscious state (nitya-baddha) is projected and originates from ones real bodily form (nitya-siddha) in Goloka. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> So it is very clear here that all living entities originate from Goloka.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The nitya-baddha-jiva is actually a formless individual until Maha Vishnu provides such ‘consciousness’ with a bodily vessel. the Mayavadis or impersonalists cannot understand this. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> All they see is the mahat tattva and the formless spark of conscious. This is due to denying the fact there is a Goloka, which is the origin of ALL living entities and their beginingless and endless nitya-siddha body<o:p></o:p>

Monday, December 08 - Evening report: HH Jayapataka Swami Maharaja's status report by Dr Madhavananda das, Director of Bhaktivedanta Hospital, Mumbai: Today Maharaja was taken to the physiotherapy department where he was made to stand with support for about 20 minutes in two sessions. He was holding on to a set of parallel bars on either side of him, with about 4 physiotherapists helping him to stand straight. Maharaja put in a lot of effort to stand up and is looking forward to his next session tomorrow. He even asked the physiotherapist about when he would be taking baby steps. The physiotherapist told him to first start standing on his own and then they would proceed to baby steps. He was also made to do different exercises to strengthen his right arm which is weak. Maharaja is stable otherwise. The Lord of the universe Jugganath along with his pure devotee jayapataka swami maharaj giving darsan to all <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

Monday, December 08 - Evening report: HH Jayapataka Swami Maharaja's status report by Dr Madhavananda das, Director of Bhaktivedanta Hospital, Mumbai: Today Maharaja was taken to the physiotherapy department where he was made to stand with support for about 20 minutes in two sessions. He was holding on to a set of parallel bars on either side of him, with about 4 physiotherapists helping him to stand straight. Maharaja put in a lot of effort to stand up and is looking forward to his next session tomorrow. He even asked the physiotherapist about when he would be taking baby steps. The physiotherapist told him to first start standing on his own and then they would proceed to baby steps. He was also made to do different exercises to strengthen his right arm which is weak. Maharaja is stable otherwise. The Lord of the universe Jugganath along with his pure devotee jayapataka swami maharaj giving darsan to all

Try to understand what Prabhupada is telling us.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "You are already in the spiritual sky, but you are simply covered. Just like the sun is already there. You are also already there…(In Vaikuntha) so actually we are always in the spiritual world. But when you forget Krishna by the cloud of illusion, then that is material”. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – “Try to understand. Actually we are not fallen therefore, at any moment we can revive our Krishna consciousness. As soon as we understand that, "I have nothing to do with (This biological body or vessel and the material creation). I am simply Krishna's servant. Eternal servant. That's all". In a Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture given in London, on July 30, 1971 <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> We do not evolve in 'consciousness' to the Krsnaloka realm, with the foolish idea we have never been to Krsnaloka. Srila Prabhupada also clearly rejected that idea as impersonal because we are actually already there in Krsnaloka and ALWAYS have been. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> How is that possible?? <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> It is a fact that we are ALL ALREADY in Krsnaloka in our FULL eternal Krsna Conscious state as our nitya-siddha-svarupa body. However, presently that 'AWARENESS' is covered by our selfish non-Krsna conscious desires. We therefore cannot see and act in that fully eternally developed consciousness of who WE really are because of our choice and free will to forget Krsna (which means we also forget the body we serve Krsna as).<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – “Established means re-establish. It is already established. We have got different types of relationship. That is called svarupa-siddhi. Svarupa-siddhi. (Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture, December 7, 1974, Bombay) <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> This means there is NO evolution of consciousness in regards to our original perpetual bodily identity because that body already eternally exists, we simply have to regain the memory of who we really are. <o:p></o:p> We simply have to once again regain the 'awareness 'of who we really are.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> We do not grow consciously out of a plain sheet of dormant consciousness and evolve to reach Krsnaloka, but rather, are always are in the process of regaining or re-establishing who we are originally. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> In the material creation, we are simply in the process of recovering who we really are<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Even if we did fall out of the impersonal Brahmajyoti, then long, long, long before that we were ALL in Krsnaloka in full 'awareness' of our reall bodily nitya-siddha identity.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – "When you are perfect in spiritual life, you will understand what is your relationship with Krishna automatically. That is called svarupa-siddhi”. (Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture, December 7, 1974, Bombay)<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "You are liberated. You are liberated. Simply just a cloud has covered you. Drive away the cloud .. You are ever-liberated”<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “Originally everyone is nitya-siddha. nitya-siddha krsna-bhakti ’sadhya’ kabhu naya sravanadi-suddha-citte karaye udaya Every living entity originally nitya-siddha, “. Srimad-Bhagavatam Class 7.9.4– Mayapur, February 18, 1977 <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – “You have got original relationship with Krishna. Nitya-siddha Krishna-bhakti. . (Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture, December 7, 1974, Bombay) <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “Everyone has got a particular relationship with Krishna in his original constitutional position that is called svarupa-siddhi". (Nectar of Devotion lecture, 20 October 1972, Vrindaban) <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “Because he falls down from Brahma-sayujya (impersonal liberated condition ), he thinks that may be his origin, but he does not remember that long, long, long, long ago before that even, he was with Krishna”. Letter to Australian devotees 1972 under Madhudvisa Swami<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> A devotee -"Original spiritual form in Vaikuntha" means a form that exists in the "present moment". (You should be happy that we have achieved a meeting of the minds on this point.) But does it mean a form, which we had in the past, then lost and will regain - although we will regain a form that always exists in the "present moment".<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Answer – Nothing is lost or gained in Goloka except for our memory and 'awareness' of who we really are. Everything is set eternally there is in a state of the living entities 'full potential originality as a nitya siddha embodied devotee of Krsna or Vishnu', which means ALL living entities or jiva sparks, have a Svarupa body that is eternally unchangeable, eternally youthful, eternally original and eternal a person with bodily form sat, chit, Ananda, VIGRAHA. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> In this way, without argument, we should accept Srila Prabhupada’s conclusion and understand without any doubts, that we ALL came down from Goloka long, long, long ago, not as our nitya-siddha-svarupa body, but as a dreaming projection known as the living entities nitya-baddha consciousness.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “You are already in the spiritual sky, but you are simply covered. Just like the sun is already there. You are also already there…Try to understand. Actually we are not fallen therefore, at any moment we can revive our Krishna consciousness." Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture given in London, on July 30, 1971<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "You are ever-liberated (nitya-siddha). The sky is always spiritual, but it is sometimes overcrowded with cloud, actually, you are NOT conditioned (nitya-baddha). You are thinking. Just like in the dream that tiger is eating you. You were never eaten by tiger. There is no tiger. So we have to get out of this dream". Lecture on Sri Caitanya-Caritamrta, Adi-lila 7.108--San Francisco, February 18, 1967<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "Actually we are not fallen therefore, at any moment we can revive (Regain, re-establish, wake up from the dream, remember who we really are as a body eternally in a state of originality) our Krishna consciousness. As soon as we understand that (my svarupa body is always in Krsnaloka), "I have nothing to do with (the material world and its bodily vessels my sub-conscious fallen nitya-baddha condition is housed in). I am simply Krishna's servant. Eternal servant. That's all". Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture given in London, on July 30, 1971<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> FALLING TO THE MATERIAL WORLD<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> It is a fact that no one falls from Vaikuntha" (Bhag. 7.1.35, purp. by Srila A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada)<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Yes, that is exactly right as very clearly explained as follows<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - 'No one falls from the spiritual world or Vaikuntha planet, for it is the eternal abode”. (Bhag. 3.16.26, purp.) This clearly means our nitya-siddha svarupa body can NEVER leave Krsnaloka or Vaikuntha and that we only dream, think or imagine we leave. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – “This material creation is the spirit soul's dream. Actually all existence in the material world is a dream of Mahā-Viṣṇu, as the Brahma-saḿhitā describes –<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – “This material world is created by the dreaming of Mahā-Viṣṇu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation”. 4.29.83.http://vedabase.net/sb/4/29/83/en

Srila Prabhupada- "There are many energies, but they have been divided into three principal ones: the external energy, the internal energy, and the marginal energy. We living entities are the marginal energy. Marginal means that we may remain under the influence of the external energy or we may remain under the influence of the internal energy, as we like". From "The Journey of Self Discovery - His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada In other words, the marginal living entities secondary conscious projection is known as the baddha-jiva soul within the mahat-tattva. The marginal living entity actually has two aspects of consciousness; one is 'eternal form' of sat, cit, ananda, Vigraha or ones perpetual Krishna Conscious bodily form known as nitya-siddha, while the other is a non-Krishna conscious dreaming bodiless state called the nitya-baddha The nitya siddha body is imperishable and never fades away, due to being eternally established within the 'eternal present' of Goloka, while the other is a dreaming bodiless state that enters the mahat tattva and is given form according to desires of self interest. The living entities, as their nitya-siddha body, are properly situated within the Lord’s internal energy as a perpetual bodily servant that is known as ones perpetual 'Svarupa'. When the marginal living entity misuses their independence and tries to act as enjoyers or lords; they are transferred to the material energy or mahat-tattva, not as their nitya siddha body, but rather, as a secondary dreaming consciousness called nitya-baddha. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “The living entity is called marginal energy. But when the falldown has taken place for the conditioned soul is very difficult to ascertain. Therefore, two classes are designated: eternally liberated (NITYA-SIDDHA) and eternally conditioned (NITYA-BADDHA). But for arguments sake, a living entity being marginal energy, he can't be eternally conditioned. The time is so unlimited that the conditioned souls appear to be eternally so, but from the philosophical view he cannot be eternally conditioned. Letter Srila Prabhupada sent to Upendra prabhu<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "The Supreme Lord has TWO energies, material and spiritual. The living entities are marginal energy. As marginal energy, a person may be under the control of the material energy (Maha-maya) or the spiritual energy (Yoga- maya). SB 3.23.10 pp.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "Because the living being can appear either in matter or in spirit, the jiva is called the marginal potency" CC Adi 5.41 pp.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "The living entity (jiva-atma) takes different positions - sometimes he merges into the dark material nature and identifies himself with matter, and sometimes he identifies himself with the superior spiritual nature. THEREFORE, he is called the Lords marginal energy. " BG 8.3 pp.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "The fact is that individual living entities are eternally part and parcel of the Supreme Lord, and both of them are very intimately related as friends. But the living entity has the tendency to reject the sanctions of the Supreme Lord and act independently in an attempt to dominate the supreme nature, and BECAUSE HE HAS THIS TENDENCY; he is called the marginal energy of the Supreme Lord. " BG 13.23 pp.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> In the above verses, Srila Prabhupada explains that marginal energy means the TENDENCY of the living entity to reject the sanction of the Lord and act independently.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> So, marginal energy, or tatastha-shakti, is NOT a particular place or area in the universal creation where souls drop from, but rather it denotes the NATURE of the jiva-soul. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> It refers to a living entity with the nature of independently choosing between the Lord's two energies. Therefore, the living entities DO NOT expand from the marginal energy, but their natures are called marginal. This marginal energy (jiva-soul) is an expansion of Lord Krishna, who is the origin of the living entities.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "If marginal energy (the living entity with its independent nature) chooses to be in contact with the external energy of the Lord, it still remains marginal. (See CC Adi 2.96)<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> If the marginal living entity chooses to go back to the internal energy (the spiritual world), it still keeps his marginal independence. It does not change his nature into internal energy and becomes Vishnu-tattva. Although the living entities are equal in quality to the internal potency of Krishna (which is spiritual), they nevertheless keep their marginal independence. Jiva-tattva (the marginal energy) does not turn into Vishnu-tattva (the internal energy), otherwise the living entity would turn into God Himself as in Mayavadi philosophy.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Marginal energy can be situated either in the external or internal energy of the Lord and according to the living beings free will and contact with either the material or spiritual energies, the living being is situated in proportionally higher or lower levels of existence. If marginal energy can freely choose to be situated in either external or internal energy, then marginal energy (because of his free will) can also choose to leave either external or internal energy."<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Here are excerpts from two letters the Srila Prabhupada sent to Upendra prabhu regarding our 'original position'. One letter is from 1968 and one from 1969.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "Regarding your question, in one sense both you and Mahapurusa are right. The fact is that after the dissolution of the Universe the living entities remain in slumber within Maha Visnu, and again when the creation takes place they are impregnated in their original position and they come out in different species of life. By gradual evolutionary process, when they come to the human form there is good chance of getting out of the repeated birth and death, and one can enter into the Spiritual Realm. But if one loses this chance he is again put into the cycle of birth and death. The conditioned souls are always within the Maha Visnu Form, whereas the liberated souls in Vaikuntha, they are engaged in the service of the Lord. Constitutionally every living entity, even if he is in the Vaikuntha Loka, has chance of falling down”. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "Therefore the living entity is called marginal energy. But when the falldown has taken place for the conditioned soul is very difficult to ascertain. Therefore two classes are designated: eternally liberated and eternally conditioned. But for arguments sake, a living entity being marginal energy, he can't be eternally conditioned. The Time is so unlimited that the conditioned souls appear to be eternally so, but from the philosophical view he cannot be eternally conditioned. Since we cannot trace out when we have become conditioned, there is no use of arguing on this point. Better to take care first how we can get rid of this conditional existence; as much as a patient should take care for treating his disease more, and less waste his time in finding out the cause of his disease".<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Please offer my blessings to the others. I hope this will meet you in good health." <o:p></o:p> A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada<o:p></o:p> Tatastha The Lord has three basic energies: internal, external, and marginal. The living entities do not only belong to the marginal energy, they ARE the marginal energy or tatastha sakti that is embodied in their original full constitutional foundation, which is expressed as nitya-siddha in their innovative perpetual position. Tatastha is another name for jiva tattva, marginal living entity, or jiva soul that also incorporates the jiva souls ability to choice the land or Goloka and the mahat-tattva or the ocean. The marginal living entity is therefore known as "tatastha sakti" The nitya-baddha consciousness is the result of the jiva executing and projecting its free will to ignore Krsna and chase their own plans of existence in the maha-tattva. When the baddha-jiva becomes frustrated with the mahat-tattva, and still denies their eternal existence with Krsna as nitya-siddha, he enters into a dormant inactive state of his own dreaming consciousness that is known as the impersonal aspect of the Brahmajyoti. This state of dormant consciousness is ONLY achieved after being liberated from the mahat-tattva, which is really and factually the Impersonal aspect of the Spiritual Sky or Brahmajyoti, or their own individual consciousness. That means, although we are properly situated within the Lord’s internal energy in our ‘svarupa’ body eternally beyond mundane time and space, we always have the propensity to misuse our independence. This means we may choose to try and act as enjoyers or lords of all we purvey that immediately disqualifies us from being aware of our ‘svarupa’ body, and instead try to lord it over Krishna’s material energy that is under the jurisdiction of the sleeping and dreaming Maha-Vishnu. Srila Prabhupada- "You are already in the spiritual sky, but you are simply covered. Just like the sun is already there. You are also already there…Try to understand. Actually we are not fallen therefore, at any moment we can revive our Krishna consciousness. ". Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture given in London, on July 30, 1971 Srila Prabhupada - "You are ever-liberated (nitya-siddha). The sky is always spiritual, but it is sometimes overcrowded with cloud, Actually, you are NOT conditioned (nitya-baddha). You are thinking. Just like in the dream that tiger is eating you. You were never eaten by tiger. There is no tiger. So we have to get out of this dream". (Lecture on Sri Caitanya-Caritamrta, Adi-lila 7.108--San Francisco, February 18, 1967) Srila Prabhupada - "So to go to God or Krishna means you will have to acquire your original, spiritual body. The spiritual body is already there, but we are now covered by this material body". by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada Homburg, Germany, June 22, 1974” <o:p></o:p> this is even difficult to understand without realization. Even my local Temple president says now is the present but actually there is no present in the material world, it's always the past, what you reading is always in the past. Wow, the Goloka realm of the eternal present tiime of love and devotion is inconceivable while we are trapped in this material body and mind.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Quote:<o:p></o:p> <TABLE style="MARGIN-LEFT: 13.6pt; WIDTH: 100%; mso-cellspacing: 0cm; mso-padding-alt: 4.5pt 4.5pt 4.5pt 4.5pt" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #666666 0.75pt solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 18pt; BORDER-TOP: #666666 0.75pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 18pt; BACKGROUND: #e0e0e0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 4.5pt; BORDER-LEFT: #666666 0.75pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 4.5pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #666666 0.75pt solid">Originally Posted by Ananta Sesa<o:p></o:p> But why do then Srila Prabhupada say in his books that there is past, present and future here in the material world?<o:p></o:p> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> The way I understand this from reading Srila Prabhupada's books is that the eternal present means exactly that. In Vaikuntha there is no past or future Where as in the material world the present instantly turns into past. This is the point Gauragopala dasa is trying to make He is comparing the 'eternal present' of the Krsnaloka with the so called presentof the material world. In this comparison, there is no present in the material world because the present in the material world is actually the past. Isn't this a fact? What is the NOW, the present is now the past. Hence, there is only the reality of past and future in the material creation because the present is always slipping into and becoming the past Srimad Bhagavatam 11.22 "The mind, bound to the reactions of fruitive work, always meditates on the objects of the senses, both those that are seen in this world and those that are heard about from Vedic authority. Consequently, the mind appears to come into being and to suffer annihilation along with its objects of perception, and thus its ability to distinguish past and future is lost". Notice the missing of the word present. The purport does not explain this Suchandra's explanation is also correct. There is present but it is instantly the past in the material world. Srila Bhaktivenode Thakur explains futher Paramahamsa babaji - "The three divisions of time are: 1. past, 2. present and 3. future. These divisions refer to material time, time within the realm of the illusory potency maya. In the spiritual world the present exists eternally. In the spiritual world the past and future do not exist. Lord Krsna and the individual spirit soul exist in that eternal present. In this way the individual soul is eternal and his original nature, which is his pure love for Lord Krsna, is also eternal. Talk of the individual soul's being 'created' or 'fashioned' is a misconception, mistakenly imposing the time patterns of the inanimate material world on a spiritual entity. The atomic individual soul is spiritual and eternal. He existed before his entrance into the material world. Because in the spiritual world there is no past or future, whatever exists there exists in an eternal present. Therefore the soul and its nature are both eternal. They exist in that eternal present. I am only describing this in words. Your understanding will depend on your ability to understand the pure spiritual world. I can only give a hint here. In spiritual trance you will be able to see all this directly. The logic and argument of this material world will not help you to understand it. Your ability to directly perceive the spiritual world beyond the realm of matter will depend on how much you can loosen the shackles of material bondage. In the beginning you will see your own pure spiritual form. By again and again chanting the spiritual and holy names of Lord Hari, you will come to understand the nature of the soul. By practicing astanga-yoga or following the path of the impersonalists you will not be able to see the pure spiritual nature. By directly serving Lord Krsna you will be able to understand the eternal nature of the soul. Therefore you should chant the holy names of Lord Hari always and with enthusiasm. Only by chanting the names of Lord Hari will you make advancement in spiritual life". From Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura's Sri Jaiva-dharma Chapter Two The Soul's Eternal Nature is Pure and Everlasting What is the nature of material time? The material world is forever changing, so which events are future, which present, and which past? Future events become present, present events become past, and past events sink further and further into the past<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Quote:<o:p></o:p> <TABLE style="MARGIN-LEFT: 13.6pt; WIDTH: 100%; mso-cellspacing: 0cm; mso-padding-alt: 4.5pt 4.5pt 4.5pt 4.5pt" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #666666 0.75pt solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 18pt; BORDER-TOP: #666666 0.75pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 18pt; BACKGROUND: #e0e0e0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 4.5pt; BORDER-LEFT: #666666 0.75pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 4.5pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #666666 0.75pt solid">Originally Posted by suchandra<o:p></o:p> past, present and future is only transcendental activity.<o:p></o:p> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Which means there is no past or future in Vaikuntha because that transcendental service is eternally present. This is a paradox to our materially conditioned mind Quote:<o:p></o:p> <TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%; mso-cellspacing: 0cm; mso-padding-alt: 4.5pt 4.5pt 4.5pt 4.5pt" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #666666 0.75pt solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 18pt; BORDER-TOP: #666666 0.75pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 18pt; BACKGROUND: #e0e0e0; PADDING-BOTTOM: 4.5pt; BORDER-LEFT: #666666 0.75pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 4.5pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #666666 0.75pt solid">The way I understand this from reading Srila Prabhupada's books is that the eternal present means exactly that. In Vaikuntha there is no past or future Where as in the material world the present instantly turns into past. This is the point Gauragopala dasa is trying to make He is comparing the 'eternal present' of the Krsnaloka with the so called present of the material world. In this comparison, there is no present in the material world because the present in the material world is actually the past. Isn't this a fact? What is the NOW, the present, is now the past. Hence, there is only the reality of past and future in the material creation because the present is always slipping into and becoming the past What is the nature of material time? The material world is forever changing, so which events are future, which present, and which past? Future events become present, present events become past, and past events sink further and further into the past. Hare Krishna<o:p></o:p> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Srila Bhaktivenode Thakur "Because in the spiritual world there is no past or future, whatever exists there exists in an eternal present". Jaiva-dharma That eternal present does not exist in the material world because what ever we experience at present immediately becomes the past therefore, technically, on one hand, there is no present in the material world. Whatever act we perform now is immediately a past event. However, theoretically on the other hand, for us to perform self-centred actions, be it good or bad, there is that flickering passing moment of the present. Hence on this platform in the Jaiva-dharma, material time is explained as past present and future <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "Established means re-establish. It is already established. That is called svarupa-siddhi. When one becomes perfectly spiritually realised, then he understands what is his relationship is. This relationship is eternal". Srila Prabhupada - "We all have come down from Vaikuntha some millions of years ago” Lecture August 6, 1973<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p>

Quote from Bija: <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: rgb(102,102,102) 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 3ex; BORDER-TOP: rgb(102,102,102) 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 3ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(102,102,102) 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: rgb(102,102,102) 1px solid" bgColor=#e0e0e0>Srila Prabhupada: You are already in the spiritual sky... quoted by Sarva </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Obviously you have not been around long. The Spiritual Sky or it's other word 'the Brahmajyoti' is full of Spiritual Vaikuntha planets howver, within that same Spiritual Sky or Brahmajyoti, is the mahat tattva creation of Maha Vishnu. Only on the outer edges of the mahat-tattva can the impersonal aspect of the Brahmajyoti exist. Technically, the entire mahat-tattva is impersonal. One can only enter it as a bodiless consciousness after being the living entity sub-consciously leaves Goloka or is projected from their real bodily form in Goloka The nitya-baddha-jiva is actually a formless individual until Maha Vishnu provides such ‘consciousness’ with a bodily vessel. the Mayavadis or impersonalists cannot understand this. All they see is the mahat tattva amd the formles spark of conscious. This is due to denying the fct there is Goloka and is the origin of ALL nitya-siddha living entities - This iscalled PERSONALISM Also I have not added anything, it is all coming from Prabhupada. Therefore, other than my personal association with Prabhupada from 1972 to 1976, I have intensly searched Prabhupada's Books, letters, lectures and morning walks and found statements others were not aware of about how we came down from Vaikuntha, not as our Spiritual body, but rather as a sub-conscious projection called the baddha-jiva. Srila Prabhupada: You are already in the spiritual sky, but you are simply covered. Just like the sun is already there. You are also already there…so actually we are always in the spiritual world. But when you forget Krishna by the cloud of illusion that is material. Try to understand”. From a Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture given in London, on July 30, 1971 <O></O> Srila Prabhupada - “Actually we are not fallen therefore, at any moment we can revive our Krishna consciousness. As soon as we understand that, “I have nothing to do with. I am simply Krishna’s servant. Eternal servant. That’s all.lecture Tokyo Japan 1972: Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 2.9.1 <O></O> Srila Prabhupada - “You are eternally liberated (nitya-siddha) but since we have become conditioned on account of our desire to enjoy materialistic way of life, from time immemorial, therefore it appears that we are eternally conditioned (nitya-baddha)” Letter to Aniruddha, dated November 14, 1966 Hare Krsna