Sarva gattah

Nonesense, the material world is not an illusion, it is very real but temporary Srila Prabhupada has said that those polluted by mayavadi teachings foolshly believe we came from the impersonal Brahmajyoti or born from a plain sheet of consciousness, foolishly saying the jiva springs from a plain sheet of consciousness and not Goloka Vrndavana. Prabhupada, ISKCON's founder rejected such impersonal nonsense that unfortunately pollute other Gaudiya traditions

Srila Prabhupada: You are already in the spiritual sky, but you are simply covered. Just like the sun is already there. You are also already there…so actually we are always in the spiritual world. But when you forget Krishna by the cloud of illusion that is material. Try to understand”. From a Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture given in London, on July 30, 1971 <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “Actually we are not fallen therefore, at any moment we can revive our Krishna consciousness. As soon as we understand that, “I have nothing to do with. I am simply Krishna’s servant. Eternal servant. That’s all.lecture Tokyo Japan 1972: Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 2.9.1 <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “You are eternally liberated (nitya-siddha) but since we have become conditioned on account of our desire to enjoy materialistic way of life, from time immemorial, therefore it appears that we are eternally conditioned (nitya-baddha)” Letter to Aniruddha, dated November 14, 196 <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “Our contact with matter is just like dream. Actually we are not fallen. Therefore, because we are not fallen, at any moment we can revive our Krishna consciousness, we break the dream. Similarly, we can break this So this situation” Srila Prabhupada lecture Tokyo Japan 1972: Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 2.9.1 <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – “We have got an eternal relationship with Krishna, either as father or as lover or as servant, like that. So that is self-realisation. When you will be perfect in love, in loving Krishna, then in what status of life you will love, that you will under–…That will be revealed. That is called svarupa-siddhi”. (Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture, December 7, 1974, Bombay) <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “When the dream is finished, we come to another dream: “Oh, this is my house. This is my family. This is my bank balance.” This is going on. Dream. One dream at night, one dream at daytime. But who is dreaming? That is the living entity. So his business is different. Not dreaming, daytime dreaming and night-time dreaming. He has to come to the actual platform. That is Krsna consciousness. If he takes to Krsna consciousness, that is his actual life. Otherwise, he’s in the dreamland” Bombay, December 27, 1972 <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “Our separation from Krishna is like that. We dream this body and so many relationships with other things”. Letter to Madhuvisa Swami <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - ‘Actually, you are not conditioned. You are thinking. Just like in the dream you are thinking that tiger is eating you. You were never eaten by tiger. There is no tiger. So we have to get out of this dream. (Lecture on Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila 7.108–San Francisco, February 18, 1967) <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “We cannot say therefore that we are not with Krishna. As soon as we try to become Lord, immediately we are covered by Maya. Formerly we were with Krishna in His Lila or sport” Letter to Madhuvisa Swami <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “Just like in a dream we are thinking very long time, but as soon as we awaken we look at our watch and see it has been a moment only” <o:p></o:p> The full expression and complete potential of ALL marginal living entities is their perpetual ’svarupa’ body that is eternally situated and established within Goloka or Vaikuntha. Therefore it can then be said that the marginal living entities that have miss-used their free will and chose to enter the mahat-tattva, are only temporarily trapped within the material creation, while their undying ‘svarupa’ body is currently laying dormant (hidden from their present awareness) within Goloka or Vaikuntha. <o:p></o:p> Of course this viewpoint is only from the marginal living entities perspective or standpoint within the material creation. Their conditional existence continues on until the marginal living entity again becomes responsive enough to perceive their true original Krishna Conscious bodily foundation within Goloka or Vaikuntha. <o:p></o:p> A rudimentary example of this is when someone goes away from watching a movie; they put the dvd player on hold or pause, let me explain -. <o:p></o:p> It should be noted this example does not mean the spiritual pastimes of Goloka can ever be been put on hold or pause for the benefit of the marginal living entity, such a ridicules proposal is not what I am trying to communicate here. On the other hand, from the perspective of the marginal living entity within the material world, their relationship with Krishna HAS been presently put on hold or ‘pause’ while they ‘consciously’ roam around the temporary material creation trying to enjoy in their own way. <o:p></o:p> This is only an analogy describing that the jiva soul’s relationship with Krishna CAN AND IS put on hold due to them falling out of sync with their nitya-siddha body in Goloka and ‘sub-consciously’ taking shelter within divided time within the mahat-tattva. In this way the marginal living entity forgets the eternal devotional realm of Krishna’s pastimes going on in Goloka. Such pastimes are perpetually established and founded within the never-ending ‘present’, which is the reality of Goloka and Vaikuntha. <o:p></o:p> In this way our eternal svarupa body is fully established in Goloka and has always has been there. <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada -”The original home of the living entity and the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the spiritual world. In the spiritual world both the Lord and the living entities live together very peacefully”(Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.28.54, purport) <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “Everyone has got a particular relationship with Krishna in his original, constitutional position. That will be revealed gradually as you advance in devotional service”(Nectar of Devotion lecture, 20 October 1972, Vrindaban) <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “The living of a miserable life in the material world by dint of the soul’s choice is nicely illustrated by Milton in Paradise Lost. Similarly, by choice the soul can regain paradise and return home, back to Godhead”. Sri Caitanya Caritamrita Adi 5.22 <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada clearly states “Because he falls down from Brahma-sayujya (impersonal liberated condition), he thinks that may be his origin, but he does not remember that long, long, long, long ago before that even, he was with Krishna”. Letter to Australian devotees 1972 <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – “Established means re-establish. It is already established. We have got different types of relationship. That is called svarupa-siddhi. Svarupa-siddhi. When you are perfect in spiritual life, you will understand what your relationship with Krishna is automatically. That is called svarupa-siddhi”. (Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture, December 7, 1974, Bombay) <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – “Similarly, we have got an eternal relationship with Krishna, either as father or as lover or as servant, like that. So that is self-realisation. When you will be perfect in love, in loving Krishna, then in what status of life you will love, that you will under–…That will be revealed. That is called svarupa-siddhi”. (Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture, December 7, 1974, Bombay) <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – ‘So svarupa-siddhi is not something artificial. When one becomes perfectly spiritually realised, then he understands what his relationship with Krishna is, and he begins his service in that relationship as father, as friend, as guru or as servant, like that. So this relationship is eternal. (Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture, December 7, 1974, Bombay) <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - ‘No one falls from the spiritual world or Vaikuntha planet, for it is the eternal abode. (Bhag. 3.16.26, purp.) <o:p></o:p> This clearly means our nitya-siddha svarupa body can NEVER leave Goloka or Vaikuntha and that WE ONLY DREAM, THINK OR IMAGINE WE LEAVE. In this way the mahat-tattva is the destination for where such dreams go. It is there they are provided with temporary bodily forms created by Maha-Vishnu who is dreaming the entire mahat-tattva or material creation aspect of the Spiritual Sky. <o:p></o:p> In this way it is Srila Prabhupada explaining to us in very simple English that we all originate from Goloka. <o:p></o:p>

Yes, I agree, both of you are right. We only think or dream we fall down when actually there is never a fall down of our Spiritual body from Goloka

The dreams of the living entity are real but temporary. Correct reality however is imperishable, permanent, without decay and without past or future. Everything is already there and always has been Independent self centred dreams of the living entity in Goloka however, are project instantaneously, such ‘dreams’ or ‘thoughts’ are very real and are not illusion because they go on to really exist in the mahat-tattva, which is the material creation governed by Maha Vishnu. His dreams and our dreams are not illusion, but rather are temporary, they fade and eventually be as if they never existed. Such temporary reality is the nature of the material creation or maha-tattva Stop thinking in terms of your dreams in your material body, it's not like that -- <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p>Dreams in you head while sleeping are illusions. <o:p></o:p> You are conditioned by mundane education to believe 'dreams' are illusion. <o:p></o:p> <o:p>The dreams of Maha Vishnu below are different and so are ours from our eternal nitya-siddha body</o:p> <o:p></o:p> Dreaming from Goloka however, is not like that, the nitya-baddha jiva state is real and described as 10.000th the size of a tip of hair. Due to the fact that the baddha-jiva is consciousness forgetful of its eternal form, many yogis, philosophers and Vedantists, believe the soul or jiva is formless. They think this way because they have no information of the jiva’s permanent home, Goloka-Vrndavana<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Even in the mundane heavenly worlds, ones thoughts, dreams and desires are as real as the reality they live in ... In Goloka however, independent thoughts not of pleasing Krishna, instantaneously puts one in Maha-Vishnu's mahat-tattva material creation that is dipicted in a darker circle above<o:p></o:p> MAHAT-TATTVA MEANS MATERIAL WORLDS AS PAINTNG BELOW REVEALS IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER (TAKING UP 25% OF THE SPIRITUAL SKY OR BRAHMAJYOTI)

Yes, many like you have laughed or complained sarcastically in so many ways when told by Srila Prabhupada their existence in the material world is just a dream. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> It is Srila Prabhupada who clearly states we have created a dream existence in the material creation due to choosing to forget Krishna and the nitya-siddha body we serve Krishna as eternally <o:p></o:p> Even many present day ISKCON devotees do not understand what Srila Prabhupada has told us about our origin long ago that I was also fortunate to hear. <o:p></o:p> However, if they care to read Prabhupada’s books, they will find this material world is ALL the living entities dream, ONLY EXPERIENCED by sub-consciously leaving their real perpetual body in Goloka and then 'entering' the unlimited dream identities or vessels within the dreams of Maha Vishnu – <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – “This material creation is the spirit soul's dream. Actually all existence in the material world is a dream of Mahā-Viṣṇu, as the Brahma-saḿhitā describes – <o:p></o:p> Srila Bhaktisiddhanta - “This material world is created by the dreaming of Mahā-Viṣṇu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation”. 4.29.83.http://vedabase.net/sb/4/29/83/en <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “Everything happening within time, which consists of past, present and future, is merely a dream. This is the secret in understanding in all the Vedic literature.” SB. 4.29.2b. <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “Of course, everyone has a particular relationship with the Lord, and that relationship is evoked by the perfection of devotional service. But in the present status of our life, we have not only forgotten the Supreme Lord, but we have forgotten our eternal relationship with the Lord”. Bhagavad-Gita, Introduction <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “Every living being has a particular relationship with the Lord eternally, that is called svarupa. By the process of devotional service, one can revive that svarupa, and that stage is called svarupa-siddhi—perfection of one’s constitutional position. Bhagavad-Gita, Introduction. .” <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “We have an intimate relationship with the Lord, and because we are all qualitatively one . . . the whole purpose of Bhagavad-gita is to revive our sanatana occupation, or sanatana dharma, which is the eternal occupation of the living entity “. Bhagavad-gita, Introduction. . <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “The Lord descends to reclaim all of these fallen, conditioned souls to call them back to the sanatana eternal sky so that the sanatana living entities may regain their eternal sanatana positions of eternal association with the Lord.” Bhagavad-gita, Introduction. Srila Prabhupada – “In his original state, there is no doubt of enjoyment; therefore, that is his real state.” Bhagavad-gita, 13.21, purport. <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – “Originally everyone (all marginal living entities) is nitya-siddha (eternally liberated)” Srimad-Bhagavatam Class 7.9.4– Mayapur, February 18, 1977 <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “Originally everyone is nitya-siddha. nitya-siddha krsna-bhakti ’sadhya’ kabhu naya sravanadi-suddha-citte karaye udaya. Every living entity originally nitya-siddha, ". Srimad-Bhagavatam Class 7.9.4– Mayapur, February 18, 1977 <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "So to go to Krishna means you will have to acquire your original, spiritual body. The spiritual body is already there, but we are now covered by this material body". By His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada Germany, June 22, 1974 <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "As living spiritual souls we are all originally Krsna conscious entities, but due to our association with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness has now become polluted by the material atmosphere." (Original Hare Krsna album) <o:p></o:p> Srila Bhaktivinoda Takura - “However, because of contact with matter, the imprisoned soul loses the memory of his original spiritual form in Vaikuntha. . . material rasas are perverted reflections of the soul's original spiritual rasas.” Prema-pradipa, p. 83 <o:p></o:p> Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Prabhupada - “It is the jivas who are the attendants in His Sports. They become attached to matter, having deviated from their own essential nature as the result of their desire for enjoyment. But when again the soul . . . gains true wisdom of the transcendental region of God . . . he begins to get back his pure essential nature” Sri Caitanya's Teachings, p. 323. <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – “We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago." - Lecture on Bhagavad-gita on August 6, 1973 <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – “This material creation is the spirit soul's dream. Actually all existence in the material world is a dream of Mahā-Viṣṇu, as the Brahma-saḿhitā describes – <o:p></o:p> Srila Bhaktisiddhanta - “This material world is created by the dreaming of Mahā-Viṣṇu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation”. 4.29.83.http://vedabase.net/sb/4/29/83/en <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada – “Existence in the impersonal Brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the Brahman effulgence, they are also in the fallen condition. So there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition”. - Letter, June 13, 1970. <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada said to me in the Sydney Temple room in early 1973, when he came in while I was cleaning. Srila Prabhupada had started ecstatically laughing when he saw I had put paintings of the Pancha tattva and Krsna and Balarama on the step of his Vyasa chair – <o:p></o:p> “That’s not where the Lord goes”. Srila Prabhupada said <o:p></o:p> Then after a short silence he added, <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - “Soon you will understand the illusion this temporary material world is, try to understand that YOUR real bodily form is ALWAYS in Vaikuntha” then left it at that and continued laughing at where I put these paintings while I cleaned the walls. <o:p></o:p> At the time I realized the importance at what he said which was we only dream or think we are in the material world when in perpetual reality, we (our real bodily form) is always in Goloka. <o:p></o:p> It was many, many years later when the ‘origin of the jiva’ debate AGAIN started (Actually that debate started in 1972 and ended with Prabhupada’s words to me, at least as far as I was concerned on this subject, in 1973).

Quote: <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #666666 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 3ex; BORDER-TOP: #666666 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 3ex; BORDER-LEFT: #666666 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #666666 1px solid" bgColor=#e0e0e0>Originally Posted by ranjeetmore And is there any Prema Bhakta in isckon....? For long I've been too timid to ask this,but i have asked it now. Is there any prema Bhakta?? Tell me point blank...Is there any genuine guru or this is all just fraud </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> No, there is none that I know off at present either in ISKCON or the Gaudiya math. The last one was Srila Prabhupada and he left us in 1977 however, there are many sincere devotees around to take shelter of. You don't have to look for Guru if you are selflessly sincere, he will find you.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> To me, ISKCON is Prabhupada, I have little to do with the present version of ISKCON because today it is not the ISKCON that Prabhupada started, although I dearly love Jayapataka Maharaj who I served in in 1979 and again in 1982 and 89 in Mayapur.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> And the Gaudiya math is the same; it is NOT the same Gaudiya math Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaj started in the 1920's. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The only inspiring devotee for me to come from the Gaudiya math and preach was Srila AC.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. My recent trip to INDIA confirmed that and lets just say, without being offensive, I choose to have NO dealing with the Gaudiya math. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The safest way is to ALWAYS stick with Srila Prabhupada, you do not have to be a member of his present immature version ISKCON to do that.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Read Srila Prabhupada's books and seek advice from devotees like Jahnava Nitai Prabhu on how to be a REAL devotee of Krishna Bhaktivedanta Ashram <o:p></o:p>

It's all pretty clearly explained above

The paradox here is no one never really leaves Goloka, they only dream, think and imagine they do by falling out of sync with the 'eternal present' and enter the dreams of Maha-Vishnu within His mahat-tattva creation.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The only thing that has changed is the ones awareness of 'eternal time' in relation to 'divided time' - hence it is not a division of consciousness, but rather a division of time, just like when the concept of mundane time changes while one is dreaming.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Actually when one again becomes aware of their eternal nitya-siddha body in Goloka and the eternal relationship they have with Krishna, it will be as if their baddha-jiva dream state, that has entered the dreams of the sleeping Maha-Vishnu in His mahat-tattva material creation, taking on a bogus identity of one of His material bodily creations, never existed. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> On return to the 'eternal present’, or simply waking up from dreaming in the mahat-tattva, it will be as if they never left because nothing has changed in Goloka.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> It is important to REALIZE that Goloka is a pure devotional place where perpetual loving service to Krsna, happens within the 'eternal present', devoid of past, future, decay and bodily absentees – every living entity is represented there by their permanent ‘svarupa’ body (Also known as the Siddha-jiva) of whom is them without beginning or end Also Ramana dasi, your question will be answere soon, it's a good queston and is actually answered in Prabhupada's Nectar of Devotion'

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Please keep praying to prove to Krishna we deserve the exalted association of Jayapataka Maharaj!

Maharaja is steadily recovering!! Hari Bol! PLEASE KEEP PRAYING TO PROVE TO KRISHNA WE DESRVE THE EXALTED ASSOCIATION OF JAYAPATAKA MAHARAJ! Sunday, December 07 - Evening report: HH Jayapataka Swami Maharaja's status report by Dr Madhavananada das, Director of Bhaktivedanta Hospital, Mumbai Maharaja is steadily recovering. His lungs are much better now. He is able to cough out mucous from his mouth on his own which is again a step towards removing the tracheostomy tube in a few days. The physiotherapy is going on intensely and is sometimes tiring for Maharaja. But he takes rest for a short time and then continues. He has to practice sitting on the bed on his own with minimal support from his hands. Maharaja is very alert about doing these exercises daily and more than once in a day . Maharaja's appetite is improving. Please continue to pray intensely. Sunday, December 07 - Report from HG Maha Varaha Prabhu: 6th and 7th Dec 2008 - Night shift, 6 pm – 6 am This evening we reached the hospital at 8pm. It took exactly two hours to reach the hospital. There was a big gathering of people close to the area where the hospital is located. Roads leading to Hinduja Hospital were closed. Roads, streets, buses and trucks were filled up with people. Today people were celebrating the death anniversary of B.R. Ambedkar, who is also known as "Father of Indian Constitution" When I went inside the ICU Bhadra Balaram Prabhu was doing physiotherapy for Guru Maharaja. I noticed the nasogastric feeding tube was removed from Guru Maharaja's nose. The clarity of his speech has improved further. We started feeding the dinner at 8.35pm. While we were feeding dinner Guru Maharaja was squeezing his fingers of his right hand. Then he said, "My right hand is weak...." I explained, "Guru Maharaja, in the beginning there was not a slight movement on your right hand but now you are able to lift the hand up to your chest! You are progressing nicely. After few more days of exercise you will be able to lift high enough to call out Gaurangaaaaa!!!" As soon as I said this, Guru Maharaja tried his best lifting his right hand while calling out "Gauranga!!!" He managed to lift it up to his ear then dropped it immediately. Guru Maharaja is very alert about his surroundings too. Whenever the machines at the side of his bed beep he would immediately ask us to check on them. Each time when the hospital staff or doctors walk into his room he will ask them questions of what they are doing and what are they talking. His memory is still very sharp. He remembers all the doctors’ names who are attending him. At 10.15 pm we did the face and speech therapy for Guru Maharaja. Before Guru Maharaja went to sleep Madhavakanta Prabhu brought in the pictures of Their Lordships Sri Radha Rasabihari and Hanuman Ji. Guru Maharaja told him to touch the pictures on his forehead and requested him to put Hanuman picture within his sight. Next day morning at 6 am after applying tilaka on his forehead we started the morning program with mangala arati song. Guru Maharaja was trying to sing along with us until we finished the whole program. We noticed he was moving his lips accordingly from the beginning to the end of all songs. Though this report appears to be very positive, please remember that Guru Maharaja's bodily immune system is very low and chances for infections are high. Therefore we have to keep praying intensely until Guru Maharaja recovers completely. 5th December 2008 - Afternoon shift, 12 noon till 6 pm: I was on afternoon shift today. Bhadra Balaram Prabhu, who was in the morning shift stayed back with me to learn physiotherapy which was supposed to take place after the lunch. We finished feeding the lunch at 3.30 pm. When Guru Maharaja was about to take his pear pudding the physiotherapist came in. Though Guru Maharaja appeared little tired after the morning session of physiotherapy and lunch, Guru Maharaja still agreed to go for the next session of exercises. Guru Maharaja's enthusiasm is ever high and he is always very keen to gain strength and walk as soon as possible especially after seeing some improvements on his bodily movement due to exercises. At the end of the session, the therapist told us that tomorrow they may take Guru Maharaja to the physiotherapy department by wheelchair to try to make Guru Maharaja stand with the help of some instruments. So today around 4.30pm he was made to sit on a wheelchair and we took him around the ICU ward. In the beginning Guru Maharaja was not able to balance himself up while being on the sitting position. He kept falling towards sideways. Gradually, after we kept reminding him couple of times to keep his back straight up he did quite well. While touring around the ward we introduced the staffs, we also showed him his altar at the back of his bed and we told him his bed number too. He was looking around by turning his head from one side to another side very slowly. Then we took him close to a window and showed him the Arabian Sea. He was looking at it for a while. After about ten rounds inside the ICU ward he became quite tired. We made him to take rest on his bed. Guru Maharaja rested for 45 minutes. Then we heard an announcement, 'Bed no.51.' I rushed inside the ICU. Guru Maharaja was awake and he asked for his evening fruit. We also had HG Braja Hari Prabhu who came to checkout the ICU. He was with Guru Maharaja for about 15 minutes. While Guru Maharaja was having his fruit he told Braja Hari Prabhu, "I didn’t see Radha Rasa Bihari picture here. Please bring them and also Hanuman." I think he noticed it when we he was on the wheelchair tour. At 7.45 pm after doing the face therapy for Guru Maharaja we handed over our duty and left the hospital. <!-- sig -->

Maharaja is steadily recovering!! Hari Bol! PLEASE KEEP PRAYING TO PROVE TO KRISHNA WE DESRVE THE EXALTED ASSOCIATION OF JAYAPATAKA MAHARAJ! Sunday, December 07 - Evening report: HH Jayapataka Swami Maharaja's status report by Dr Madhavananada das, Director of Bhaktivedanta Hospital, Mumbai Maharaja is steadily recovering. His lungs are much better now. He is able to cough out mucous from his mouth on his own which is again a step towards removing the tracheostomy tube in a few days. The physiotherapy is going on intensely and is sometimes tiring for Maharaja. But he takes rest for a short time and then continues. He has to practice sitting on the bed on his own with minimal support from his hands. Maharaja is very alert about doing these exercises daily and more than once in a day . Maharaja's appetite is improving. Please continue to pray intensely. Sunday, December 07 - Report from HG Maha Varaha Prabhu: 6th and 7th Dec 2008 - Night shift, 6 pm – 6 am This evening we reached the hospital at 8pm. It took exactly two hours to reach the hospital. There was a big gathering of people close to the area where the hospital is located. Roads leading to Hinduja Hospital were closed. Roads, streets, buses and trucks were filled up with people. Today people were celebrating the death anniversary of B.R. Ambedkar, who is also known as "Father of Indian Constitution" When I went inside the ICU Bhadra Balaram Prabhu was doing physiotherapy for Guru Maharaja. I noticed the nasogastric feeding tube was removed from Guru Maharaja's nose. The clarity of his speech has improved further. We started feeding the dinner at 8.35pm. While we were feeding dinner Guru Maharaja was squeezing his fingers of his right hand. Then he said, "My right hand is weak...." I explained, "Guru Maharaja, in the beginning there was not a slight movement on your right hand but now you are able to lift the hand up to your chest! You are progressing nicely. After few more days of exercise you will be able to lift high enough to call out Gaurangaaaaa!!!" As soon as I said this, Guru Maharaja tried his best lifting his right hand while calling out "Gauranga!!!" He managed to lift it up to his ear then dropped it immediately. Guru Maharaja is very alert about his surroundings too. Whenever the machines at the side of his bed beep he would immediately ask us to check on them. Each time when the hospital staff or doctors walk into his room he will ask them questions of what they are doing and what are they talking. His memory is still very sharp. He remembers all the doctors’ names who are attending him. At 10.15 pm we did the face and speech therapy for Guru Maharaja. Before Guru Maharaja went to sleep Madhavakanta Prabhu brought in the pictures of Their Lordships Sri Radha Rasabihari and Hanuman Ji. Guru Maharaja told him to touch the pictures on his forehead and requested him to put Hanuman picture within his sight. Next day morning at 6 am after applying tilaka on his forehead we started the morning program with mangala arati song. Guru Maharaja was trying to sing along with us until we finished the whole program. We noticed he was moving his lips accordingly from the beginning to the end of all songs. Though this report appears to be very positive, please remember that Guru Maharaja's bodily immune system is very low and chances for infections are high. Therefore we have to keep praying intensely until Guru Maharaja recovers completely. 5th December 2008 - Afternoon shift, 12 noon till 6 pm: I was on afternoon shift today. Bhadra Balaram Prabhu, who was in the morning shift stayed back with me to learn physiotherapy which was supposed to take place after the lunch. We finished feeding the lunch at 3.30 pm. When Guru Maharaja was about to take his pear pudding the physiotherapist came in. Though Guru Maharaja appeared little tired after the morning session of physiotherapy and lunch, Guru Maharaja still agreed to go for the next session of exercises. Guru Maharaja's enthusiasm is ever high and he is always very keen to gain strength and walk as soon as possible especially after seeing some improvements on his bodily movement due to exercises. At the end of the session, the therapist told us that tomorrow they may take Guru Maharaja to the physiotherapy department by wheelchair to try to make Guru Maharaja stand with the help of some instruments. So today around 4.30pm he was made to sit on a wheelchair and we took him around the ICU ward. In the beginning Guru Maharaja was not able to balance himself up while being on the sitting position. He kept falling towards sideways. Gradually, after we kept reminding him couple of times to keep his back straight up he did quite well. While touring around the ward we introduced the staffs, we also showed him his altar at the back of his bed and we told him his bed number too. He was looking around by turning his head from one side to another side very slowly. Then we took him close to a window and showed him the Arabian Sea. He was looking at it for a while. After about ten rounds inside the ICU ward he became quite tired. We made him to take rest on his bed. Guru Maharaja rested for 45 minutes. Then we heard an announcement, 'Bed no.51.' I rushed inside the ICU. Guru Maharaja was awake and he asked for his evening fruit. We also had HG Braja Hari Prabhu who came to checkout the ICU. He was with Guru Maharaja for about 15 minutes. While Guru Maharaja was having his fruit he told Braja Hari Prabhu, "I didn’t see Radha Rasa Bihari picture here. Please bring them and also Hanuman." I think he noticed it when we he was on the wheelchair tour. At 7.45 pm after doing the face therapy for Guru Maharaja we handed over our duty and left the hospital.

H.H. Jayapataka Maharaj has been moved to a less intensive care ICU, HE amazingly sat in a normal chair and was able to support his back and neck by himself. Later in the day he sat in a wheelchair and taken for a spin around the ICU with the care devotees joyfully chanting Hare Krishna.. Friday, December 05 - Night report: HH Jayapataka Swami Maharaja's status report by Dr Madhavananda das, Director of Bhaktivedanta Hospital, Mumbai: Yesterday evening Maharaja was shifted to another ICU which is less intense and is for patients who do not need a ventilator. It is quieter here and Maharaja finds it more comfortable. Today Maharaja was given a walker to try to stand but he was unable to support his weight. Nevertheless he was made to sit in a normal chair and was able to support his back and neck by himself. Later in the day he was made to sit in a wheelchair and taken around the ICU. The physiotherapy is going on intensely and Maharaja is eager to be able to walk soon. His swallowing is also improving daily. He was able to eat and drink more easily today. Please continue your intense prayers. <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

H.H. Jayapataka Maharaj has been moved to a less intensive care ICU, HE amazingly sat in a normal chair and was able to support his back and neck by himself. Later in the day he sat in a wheelchair and taken for a spin around the ICU with the care devotees joyfully chanting Hare Krishna.. Friday, December 05 - Night report: HH Jayapataka Swami Maharaja's status report by Dr Madhavananda das, Director of Bhaktivedanta Hospital, Mumbai: Yesterday evening Maharaja was shifted to another ICU which is less intense and is for patients who do not need a ventilator. It is quieter here and Maharaja finds it more comfortable. Today Maharaja was given a walker to try to stand but he was unable to support his weight. Nevertheless he was made to sit in a normal chair and was able to support his back and neck by himself. Later in the day he was made to sit in a wheelchair and taken around the ICU. The physiotherapy is going on intensely and Maharaja is eager to be able to walk soon. His swallowing is also improving daily. He was able to eat and drink more easily today. Please continue your intense prayers.

Radha Charan Dasa: Bringing the East to the West By Manpreet K Singh for India Today on Fri, 2008-11-21 <!--paging_filter-->Sample this. He is French; he has sold gobhi pakoras in Tel Aviv for a living; he is a practicing Hindu, living a life inspired by Vedic philosophy. But these aren’t the most unusual things about Yves Ayoun. The most implausible thing is his line of work—he designs figurines of Hindu gods and goddesses in Melbourne, in association with a partner in Hong Kong, and after the figures are produced in China, they are sold worldwide. In fact, last year Ayoun signed a contract for 10,000 models of the Golden Temple, half of which have already been delivered to many parts of the world. Ayoun, 51, was born in Paris. At the age of 18, he left Paris and crossed over Europe and Asia. “After spending time in Israel and Afghanistan, I arrived in India and felt that this was home,” says Ayoun, adding, “My first stop was Amritsar. I stayed for free at the Golden Temple, ate langar and was made to feel really welcome. Then I went to Delhi and Varanasi, which had a huge impact on me. Since then I have been coming back to India every year.” In 1977, he was initiated into the Gaudiya Vaishnava tradition and was christened Radha Charan, a name his acquaintances at various Indian ashrams address him by. While in India, he also learnt to cook Indian food and, over the years, has demonstrated his ample culinary skills at various countries around the globe. Following the message of the Bhagvad Gita that one can live in three ways—ignorance, passion or goodness, he has adopted the message into his culinary style as well. “I’ve learnt to cook in goodness—that is, simply and wholesomely.” He has cooked at various ashrams and even for the survivors of the Latur earthquake in 1993. During his travels, he always cooked and catered to earn a living. He talks about his food stall at the main mall in Tel Aviv. “I had this tiny stall where I made gobhi pakoras and koftas. They sold like hot cakes.” In 1999, he finally wanted to settle down and run his own business. A friend in the UK, aware of his faith in Hinduism, asked him to source 10,000 figurines of baby Krishna. “I attended an exhibition in Hong Kong where I came across Velina Designs and asked them if they could make me pieces according to my specifications. They had a factory in China that manufactured such statues. That was the first time I sourced statues of Hindu gods and goddesses from China.” Today, Ayoun manages the Australian arm of Velina Designs in Melbourne. Ayoun has nearly 700 designs of Hindu deities, which are all custom made at their factory in Xia Men, near the east coast of China. “They are handcrafted.” Says Ayoun, adding, “We train our artists, and relate to them the stories of Ramayana and Mahabharata before they craft any pieces.” Ayoun is meticulous in the field of design perception. He points to a figure of Goddess Lakshmi standing with both her feet covered. “If you show the goddess sitting with one foot exposed, it implies that the goddess is about to leave. No one would like Goddess Lakshmi to leave. Hence, this particular design.” Last year, when Velina Designs exhibited their figurines at the Hong Kong Trade Show, a father-and-son pair from Amritsar visited the stall and asked if they could make models of the Golden Temple. Says Ayoun, “The Golden Temple has always been special to me. But my partner in Hong Kong had no idea about it. So the Punjabi businessman arranged for her to visit Amritsar. She was given a copy of the design by the priest there, and here we are, ready with the finished product.” But Ayoun wants to pursue this business for eight more years. “After that, I will spend time writing about ancient Vedic philosophy and Indian gods and goddesses,” he says.

So leaving Goloka is NOT a physical fall down in our nitya siddha body, it is a sub-conscious one where we manifest as our nitya baddha projected sub-conscious state that is compared to a dream state of being. which is the lower self of radiated by the living ehtity when they forget their perpetual nitya siddha Krsn conscious bodily form. The fact is, our real bodily form is eternally with Krishna in Goloka, but sometimes, due to our ability to choose and practise free will, our memory and 'awareness' of who we really are, becomes forgotten or covered by our own self centred desires to please ourselves and not Krishna. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> So leaving Goloka is NOT a physical fall down in our nitya siddha body, it is a sub-conscious one where we manifest as our nitya baddha projected sub-conscious state that is compared to a dream state of being. which is the lower self of radiated by the living ehtity when they forget their perpetual nitya siddha Krsn conscious bodily form. Everything in Krsnaloka is set eternally in the present, meaning Gods eternal blissful Kingdom has no experience or concept of past or future. So what’s there is forever there. This means every living entity is represented there by the bodily form they eternally are. <o:p></o:p> This eternal presents that has no beginning or end in Goloka, is a place of selfless loving devotion. This is Gods or Krishna’s eternal Kingdom where the living entities awareness is meant to always be seeing Krishna in one of the many devotional lilas however, there are some who choose to forget Krishna, his Kingdom, as well as the bodily identity one has there and enter another world called the material creation or mahat-tattva. <o:p></o:p> Only found in Goloka is who we really are, everlastingly serving Krsna and his devotees and expansions in a blissful body that ultimately out shines all the dream material identities our forgetful mind has created over so many life times. <o:p></o:p> It is therefore; only in Goloka we will find that our perpetual devotional bodily form, endlessly exists living out the living entities 'full potential originality as a nitya siddha embodied devotee of Krsna or Vishnu'. <o:p></o:p> This means ALL living entities or jiva sparks, have a Svarupa body that is eternally unchangeable, eternally youthful, eternally original and eternal a person with bodily form sat, chit, ananda, VIGRAHA. <o:p></o:p> If there is no past or future and only the present, then we are all in a perpetual state of originality there. Remember, the living entity leaves Goloka not as ones eternal Svarupa body, but via their sub-conscious dream, thought, mistaken desires and imagination. <o:p></o:p> So, just as ones material body never changes while one is dreaming they are a King, ones ‘Svarupa’ body never changes while one is living out their self centred dreams in the material world. <o:p></o:p> We must remember that our nitya-siddha-Svarupa body is forever locked and secured perpetually within the ‘eternal present, which is an eternal state of originality’ that has no past and future. <o:p></o:p> This means when one finishes their dreams within the material world and again become ‘aware’ of their full potential ‘Svarupa body, it is like waking up from a dream and finding themselves as the body they always were and always have been. <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada explains it this way –“There is nothing to be gained in Goloka, only regained”

5.11 jagai madhai haite muni se papistha purisera kita haite muni se laghistha mora nama sune yei tara punya ksaya mora nama laya yei tara papa haya emana nirghrna more keba krpa kare eka nityananda vinu jagat bhitare preme matta nityananda krpa-avatara uttama, adhama, kichu na kare vicara ye age padaye, tare karaye nistara ataeva nistarila mo-hena duracara I am more sinful than Jagai and Madhai and even lower than the worms in stool. Anyone who hears my name loses the results of his pious activities. Whoever utters my name becomes sinful. Who in this world but Nityananda could show His mercy to such an abominable person as me? Because He is intoxicated by ecstatic love and is an incarnation of mercy, He does not dis- tinguish between the good and the bad. He delivers all those who fall down before Him. Therefore He has delivered such a sinful and fallen person as me. (Cc. Adi 5.205-209) Freedom from Anarthas and the Desire for Bhakti is Strengthened by the Mercy of Nitai

What does the word "MARGINAL" mean when referring to the living enttity" Srila Prabhupada - “The living entity is called marginal energy. But when the falldown has taken place for the conditioned soul is very difficult to ascertain. Therefore, two classes are designated: eternally liberated (NITYA-SIDDHA) and eternally conditioned (NITYA-BADDHA). But for arguments sake, a living entity being marginal energy, he can't be eternally conditioned. The time is so unlimited that the conditioned souls appear to be eternally so, but from the philosophical view he cannot be eternally conditioned. Letter Srila Prabhupada sent to Upendra prabhu<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "The Supreme Lord has TWO energies, material and spiritual. The living entities are marginal energy. As marginal energy, a person may be under the control of the material energy (Maha-maya) or the spiritual energy (Yoga- maya). SB 3.23.10 pp.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "Because the living being can appear either in matter or in spirit, the jiva is called the marginal potency" CC Adi 5.41 pp.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "The living entity (jiva-atma) takes different positions - sometimes he merges into the dark material nature and identifies himself with matter, and sometimes he identifies himself with the superior spiritual nature. THEREFORE, he is called the Lords marginal energy. " BG 8.3 pp.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "The fact is that individual living entities are eternally part and parcel of the Supreme Lord, and both of them are very intimately related as friends. But the living entity has the tendency to reject the sanctions of the Supreme Lord and act independently in an attempt to dominate the supreme nature, and BECAUSE HE HAS THIS TENDENCY; he is called the marginal energy of the Supreme Lord. " BG 13.23 pp.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> In the above verses, Srila Prabhupada explains that marginal energy means the TENDENCY of the living entity to reject the sanction of the Lord and act independently.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> So, marginal energy, or tatastha-shakti, is NOT a particular place or area in outer space where souls drop from, but it denotes the NATURE of the jiva-soul. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> It refers to a living entity with the nature of independently choosing between the Lord's two energies. Therefore, the living entities DO NOT expand from the marginal energy, but their natures are called marginal. This marginal energy (jiva-soul) is an expansion of Lord Krishna, who is the origin of the living entities.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "If marginal energy (the living entity with its independent nature) chooses to be in contact with the external energy of the Lord, it still remains marginal. (See CC Adi 2.96)<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> If the marginal living entity chooses to go back to the internal energy (the spiritual world), it still keeps his marginal independence. It does not change his nature into internal energy and becomes Vishnu-tattva. Although the living entities are equal in quality to the internal potency of Krishna (which is spiritual), they nevertheless keep their marginal independence. Jiva-tattva (the marginal energy) does not turn into Vishnu-tattva (the internal energy), otherwise the living entity would turn into God Himself as in Mayavadi philosophy.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Marginal energy can be situated either in the external or internal energy of the Lord and according to the living beings free will and contact with either the material or spiritual energies, the living being is situated in proportionally higher or lower levels of existence. If marginal energy can freely choose to be situated in either external or internal energy, then marginal energy (because of his free will) can also choose to leave either external or internal energy."<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Here are excerpts from two letters the Srila Prabhupada sent to Upendra prabhu regarding our 'original position'. One letter is from 1968 and one from 1969.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "Regarding your question, in one sense both you and Mahapurusa are right. The fact is that after the dissolution of the Universe the living entities remain in slumber within Maha Visnu, and again when the creation takes place they are impregnated in their original position and they come out in different species of life. By gradual evolutionary process, when they come to the human form there is good chance of getting out of the repeated birth and death, and one can enter into the Spiritual Realm. But if one loses this chance he is again put into the cycle of birth and death. The conditioned souls are always within the Maha Visnu Form, whereas the liberated souls in Vaikuntha, they are engaged in the service of the Lord. Constitutionally every living entity, even if he is in the Vaikuntha Loka, has chance of falling down”. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada - "Therefore the living entity is called marginal energy. But when the falldown has taken place for the conditioned soul is very difficult to ascertain. Therefore two classes are designated: eternally liberated and eternally conditioned. But for arguments sake, a living entity being marginal energy, he can't be eternally conditioned. The Time is so unlimited that the conditioned souls appear to be eternally so, but from the philosophical view he cannot be eternally conditioned. Since we cannot trace out when we have become conditioned, there is no use of arguing on this point. Better to take care first how we can get rid of this conditional existence; as much as a patient should take care for treating his disease more, and less waste his time in finding out the cause of his disease".<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Please offer my blessings to the others. I hope this will meet you in good health." <o:p></o:p> A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

By Bhakta Eric Johanson <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> We hope you will have found this helpful. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Devotee: Srila Prabhupada, you say in your books so many times that somehow or other we have fallen into this material world due to our enviousness or our independence.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada: Many. There are many reasons.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Devotee: I can't seem to get a grasp on this at all. If we, in our original constitutional position as part and parcel of Krishna--and in that position, that, original position of full knowledge and full bliss--and being in our eternal nature . . . Now I have some experience of how strong this material energy is and how Maya works, somewhat. But, if I had known this and had this full knowledge, then I would have had this knowledge of how Maya works and . . . How I might fall?<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada: You read the life of Jaya, Vijaya, Hiranyakasipu, Hiranyaksa? They were Krishna's Doorkeepers. How they fell down? Did you read it? Did you read the life of Hiranyakasipu or Hiranyaksa?<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Devotee: Yes, Srila Prabhupada.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada: So how they did fall? They are from Vaikuntha. They are Krishna's personal associates, keeping . . . the Doorkeepers. How did they fell down? Anyway, there is chance of falling down at any moment.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Devotee: Well, in His family, they wanted to enjoy the material world?<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada: Whatever it may be, the falldown is there. So, because we are living entities, we are not as powerful as Krishna. Therefore, we may fall down from Vaikuntha at any moment. Iccha-dvesa samutthena sarge yanti parantapa. Find out this verse. (emphasis added)<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Pusta Krishna Swami: iccha-dvesa samutthena dvandva-mohena bharata sarva-bhutani sammoham sarge yanti parantapa: "O scion of Bharata, O conqueror of the foe, all living entities are born into delusion, overcome by the dualities of desire and hate."<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada: Purport?<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Pusta Krishna Swami: "The real constitutional position of the living entity is that of subordination to the Supreme Lord, Who is pure knowledge. When one is deluded into separation from this pure knowledge, he becomes controlled by illusory energy and cannot understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The illusory energy is manifested in the duality of desire and hate. Due to desire and hate, the ignorant person wants to become one with the Supreme Lord and envies Krishna as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Pure devotees, who are not so deluded or contaminated by desire and hate, can understand that Lord Sri Krishna appears by His internal potencies. But those who are deluded by duality and nescience think that the Supreme Personality of Godhead is created by material energies. This is their misfortune. Such deluded persons symptomatically dwell in dualities of dishonor and honor, misery and happiness, woman and man, good and bad, pleasure and pain, etc., thinking 'This is my wife, this is my house; I am the master of this house, I am the husband of this wife.' These are the dualities of delusion. Those who are so deluded by dualities are completely foolish and cannot understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead."<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada: So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that--"Why shall I serve Krishna? Why not become Krishna?"--I immediately fall down. That is natural. A servant is serving the master, (but) sometimes he may think that, "If I could become the master." They are thinking like that; they are trying to become God. That is delusion. You cannot become God. That is not possible. But he's wrongly thinking. (emphases added)<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Vipina Purandara prabhu: Why doesn't Krishna protect us from that desire?<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada: He's protecting. He says, "You rascal, don't desire. Surrender unto Me." But you are rascal; you do not do this.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Vipina Purandara prabhu: Why doesn't He save me from thinking like that?<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada: That means you lose your independence.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Vipina Purandara: And no love.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada: That is force . . . In Bengali it is said, "If you catch one girl or boy, 'You love me, you love me, you love me.' " Is it love? "You love me, otherwise I will kill you!" Is that love? So Krishna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver--"You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. . . Why one is called lover, another is called rape?<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Vipina Purandara prabhu: But isn't it by force anyway? If we don't love Krishna, we suffer.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada: That is your business. You'll suffer. But that Krishna does not force you. He says the real, "You love me, you'll be happy. If you don't love, you suffer." But that is your business.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Vipina Purandara prabhu: So, what is the choice?<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada: Choice is yours. If you are rascal, you don't make the choice, the best choice. You suffer. The rascals, they suffer. And intelligent men, they do not suffer. If you are intelligent, then Krishna says that, "You surrender to Me." Uou surrender, then you are intelligent. If you are rascal, then you reject and you suffer. When a father says to his rascal son, "My dear son, you just hear me, do like this, you'll be happy." If he does not do it, he'll suffer. There is no other alternative.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Guest: Srila Srila Prabhupada, why is the material world made on the level of a jailhouse? It's made on the level of a jailhouse, that, I've been told, the attitude of a jail, instead of the attitude . . .<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada: Yes, because there will be so many criminals. Therefore, government has to construct a jailhouse. It is not government's desire. It is expensive, unnecessary. But because there are rascals who will become criminal, the government has jailhouse. So one who wants to remain independent of Krishna, for them there is material world, "All right, you remain here."<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Vipina Purandara prabhu: We also say that Krishna is fulfilling the desires of every living entity. So if we want to enjoy independent of Krishna, why doesn't He let us really enjoy independent of Him?<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada: That is not possible. That is Maya; it is called (Maya). You are not enjoyer, you are servant. Because you are willing to become enjoyer, you suffer, that's all. You are not enjoyer.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Vipina Purandara prabhu: Then He's not fulfilling the desire.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada: No, you wanted to enjoy--enjoy at your risk. Sometimes you'll become the king of heaven, and sometimes you become the germs in the stool.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Vipina Purandara prabhu: Hmmm, enjoy at your risk.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada: Yes. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Vipina Purandara prabhu: Instead of under His protection, you enjoy at your risk.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada: Therefore He advises, "Rascal, you give up all this enjoying spirit. You just surrender to Me. You'll be happy." But we don't accept it. Therefore, sometimes we are in the heavenly kingdom, sometimes as a worm in the stool. That is going on. That is your risk. Excerpt from an Evening Darsana on July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada, the shaktyavesh-avatar of bhakti-shakti and the current or most recent Sampradaya Acharya in our line of the parampara, is answering the origination question . He is making a very self-evident, forceful presentation: <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> “So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that--"Why shall I serve Krishna? Why not become Krishna?"--I immediately fall down.”<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> “ . . . we may fall down from Vaikuntha at any moment.” <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p>

Maharaja had a slight fever today. His white cell counts are low. This may be a hurdle to his recovery. Please pray intensely for Maharaja's recovery. Thursday, December 04 - Night report: HH Jayapataka Swami Maharaja's status report by Dr Madhavanada das, Director of Bhaktivedanta Hospital, Mumbai Maharaja's consciousness is normal. He is taking both soft solids and liquids orally. The physiotherapist is teaching him exercises to strengthen his muscles to help him sit without support and later stand with support. She said he is doing well in terms of physiotherapy. Maharaja had a slight fever today. His white cell counts are low. This may be a hurdle to his recovery. Please pray intensely for Maharaja's recovery. Thursday, December 04 - Report from HG Ekanath Gaura Prabhu: 3-Dec-08 - Afternoon shift: 12noon to 6pm Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. At 1 pm we arrived at Hinduja hospital with the prasadam. Hinduja security is very high because of the past terrorist attack. By Krishna's mercy we are all safe. Today the Speech Therapist came from Bhaktivedanta Hospital to teach us few systems and movements for Guru Maharaja's face muscles. Guru Maharaja was very attentively listening and he is totally surrendered to whatever the doctors or devotees advice him. Guru Maharaja's mood is very humble, patient and tolerant. I would say extremely or even very extremely!!!! He is in the hospital already for one month and eleven days in ICCU. At 1:30 pm Guru Maharaja took his lunch. While he was eating, Dr Syamalal prabhu spoke to him about changing Guru Maharaja to ICU room in the second floor. We are right now in the ICCU which is for the patients who need to be on ventilator support. Guru Maharaja although has so many tubes he is very tolerant. Sometimes the other patients in similar situation are very distressed and their hands have to be tied so that they don't pull out the tubes. But Guru Maharaja is very cooperative with the doctors, nurses and devotees. Since Guru Maharaja's speech is not yet fully clear it is difficult to understand what he says sometimes. If he wants us to scratch, we would ask him, if he wants to drink water or other things. He doesn't get frustrated, but always remains calm. At 2:30 pm After Guru Maharaja finished his lunch he was moved from the sofa to the bed for chest physiotherapy. He was sitting on the sofa since 7am. At 3:30 pm Guru Maharaja took some rest until 4pm. Guru Maharaja was waiting for a very important guest. I told Guru Maharaja that one devotee from Russia that used to help Mayapur a lot will come to visit him and he immediately asked me, "Brahmananda?" and I replied, "Yes". At 4 pm Vidvan Gauranga Prabhu, one of Guru Maharaja's pandit (scholarly) disciple came to read few letters to Guru Maharaja and do some massage to his legs. At 5 pm HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja came with HG Brahmananda Prabhu, a Russian devotee that used to help and support Mayapur project with big donations. He is very well known to Guru Maharaja and he loves him a lot. Before HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja went inside I applied tilaka to Guru Maharaja as he always likes to have tilaka on his face. HG Brahmananda Prabhu took Guru Maharaja's hand and HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja started speaking to Guru Maharaja. Guru Maharaja asked Brahmananda Prabhu, "Kakdila?" It means, how are you in Russian. He also asked few other words in Russian. Guru Maharaja always kindly enquires everyone who comes to see him, how they are, where they are staying and for how many days. HG Brahmananda Prabhu specifically came to see Guru Maharaja from Russia! He was very pleased to see Guru Maharaja and Guru Maharaja's special concern for him. Even in this condition of lying down on the ICCU bed he is always concerned about our welfare if we ate, if we are ok, etc, Amazing!!! Seeing Guru Maharaja's dealings with the devotees, HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja was enjoying and admiring his care and concern. Guru Maharaja started to glorify HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja and then HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja glorified. Like this they were glorifying each other. It was such a pleasure to watch their loving exchanges. HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja narrated the incident of how Guru Maharaja met HG Acyutananda Prabhu after a long time of separation. Guru Maharaja and HG Acyutananda Prabhu were preaching together in India for many years. 30 years ago. They were very nice friends. During the New York Ratha Yatra Guru Maharaja met HG Acyutananda Prabhu surprisingly. In the beginning he could not recognize him as they haven't seen each other for so many years. HG Acyutananda Prabhu saw Guru Maharaja and said, "I am your godbrother, Acyutananda Prabhu." Guru Maharaja looked at him and had tears in his eyes. Guru Maharaja embraced him and HG Acyutananda prabhu also started crying. HG Acyutananda Prabhu called HG Yogesvara prabhu and informed him about his meeting with Guru Maharaja and how both of them cried. After HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja spoke Guru Maharaja told us how they used to preach together and also he asked HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja to send a message to HG Acyutananda prabhu saying he loves him. Guru Maharaja also asked about HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja's travel to America. He asked in which airline he was flying. Maharaja replied British Airways. Guru Maharaja said, "In BA they have flat bed." We all started laughing. Guru Maharaja asked if HG Brahamanada Prabhu knows what flat bed means, and he didn't. I explained to him that in business class one can make the seat flat. Then Guru Maharaja asked HH Radhanatha Swami Maharaja if he was flying on a business class. Maharaja replied, "I don't know what kind of ticket they bought for me." HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja is a very simple sadhu and a powerful spiritual master. He is very caring and loving towards all of us. He just came to see Guru Maharaja before going to America. He travelled so many hours to just come and see Guru Maharaja, to exchange few words with him and to encourage us. We are really grateful to His Holiness for all his love and care for our Guru Maharaja and for all of us. He even cancelled his Vyasa puja just because Guru Maharaja was in hospital in a serious situation. We conveyed the message to Maharaja saying Guru Maharaja is not happy that he had cancelled his Vyasa Puja. But he didn't want to celebrate at this moment when Guru Maharaja was on ventilator and he said he will celebrate his Vyasa puja another day during the year. HG Brahmananda Prabhu and Maharaja were telling Guru Maharaja how the devotees are praying for him and how they all love him. Guru Maharaja said, "That's why I am still here." Guru Maharaja asked HG Brahmananda Prabhu about the Moscow temple and he said that it is going to be built only if Guru Maharaja will give class. Guru Maharaja said he will go as soon as he can play his kartals. Guru Maharaja asked if we had any Balaji's Laddu (Mahaprasad from Tirupati Balaji). Guru Maharaja wanted to give to HG Brahmananda prabhu. Since we didn't have we gave them some Jagannath Maha Oil. Nurses told us to go out, to change Guru Maharaja's position. After I went again inside to discuss with Guru Maharaja, what present to give to HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja. Guru Maharaja chose a nice pavitram from Lord Narasimhadeva and he personally gave to Maharaja and said, "Happy Vyasa Puja". Maharaja was happy to receive the gift from Guru Maharaja. There were many loving exchanges amongst HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja, Guru Maharaja and HG Brahmananda prabhu. Once we tried to guess what Guru Maharaja was saying for 15 min, until we realized that he was speaking in Russian to HG Brahmananda Prabhu's wife. At 6:45 pm After Maharaja and HG Brahmanada Prabhu left, HG Braja Hari Prabhu came to see Guru Maharaja. I would like to say few words about HG Braja Hari Prabhu. He is Guru Maharaja's disciple more than 25 years now, a brahmacari and a very simple and pure hearted devotee. He is the Temple President of Juhu, Mumbai. He has dedicated his life in the service of Sri Sri Radha Rasabihariji. He is one of the key person in Guru Maharaja's hospital lila. He arranged everything for us and Guru Maharaja. Whenever he comes to see Guru Maharaja he gets the best fruits for him. He is also like a father to me. Your servant JPS caregivers <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

Maharaja had a slight fever today. His white cell counts are low. This may be a hurdle to his recovery. Please pray intensely for Maharaja's recovery. Thursday, December 04 - Night report: HH Jayapataka Swami Maharaja's status report by Dr Madhavanada das, Director of Bhaktivedanta Hospital, Mumbai Maharaja's consciousness is normal. He is taking both soft solids and liquids orally. The physiotherapist is teaching him exercises to strengthen his muscles to help him sit without support and later stand with support. She said he is doing well in terms of physiotherapy. Maharaja had a slight fever today. His white cell counts are low. This may be a hurdle to his recovery. Please pray intensely for Maharaja's recovery. Thursday, December 04 - Report from HG Ekanath Gaura Prabhu: 3-Dec-08 - Afternoon shift: 12noon to 6pm Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. At 1 pm we arrived at Hinduja hospital with the prasadam. Hinduja security is very high because of the past terrorist attack. By Krishna's mercy we are all safe. Today the Speech Therapist came from Bhaktivedanta Hospital to teach us few systems and movements for Guru Maharaja's face muscles. Guru Maharaja was very attentively listening and he is totally surrendered to whatever the doctors or devotees advice him. Guru Maharaja's mood is very humble, patient and tolerant. I would say extremely or even very extremely!!!! He is in the hospital already for one month and eleven days in ICCU. At 1:30 pm Guru Maharaja took his lunch. While he was eating, Dr Syamalal prabhu spoke to him about changing Guru Maharaja to ICU room in the second floor. We are right now in the ICCU which is for the patients who need to be on ventilator support. Guru Maharaja although has so many tubes he is very tolerant. Sometimes the other patients in similar situation are very distressed and their hands have to be tied so that they don't pull out the tubes. But Guru Maharaja is very cooperative with the doctors, nurses and devotees. Since Guru Maharaja's speech is not yet fully clear it is difficult to understand what he says sometimes. If he wants us to scratch, we would ask him, if he wants to drink water or other things. He doesn't get frustrated, but always remains calm. At 2:30 pm After Guru Maharaja finished his lunch he was moved from the sofa to the bed for chest physiotherapy. He was sitting on the sofa since 7am. At 3:30 pm Guru Maharaja took some rest until 4pm. Guru Maharaja was waiting for a very important guest. I told Guru Maharaja that one devotee from Russia that used to help Mayapur a lot will come to visit him and he immediately asked me, "Brahmananda?" and I replied, "Yes". At 4 pm Vidvan Gauranga Prabhu, one of Guru Maharaja's pandit (scholarly) disciple came to read few letters to Guru Maharaja and do some massage to his legs. At 5 pm HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja came with HG Brahmananda Prabhu, a Russian devotee that used to help and support Mayapur project with big donations. He is very well known to Guru Maharaja and he loves him a lot. Before HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja went inside I applied tilaka to Guru Maharaja as he always likes to have tilaka on his face. HG Brahmananda Prabhu took Guru Maharaja's hand and HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja started speaking to Guru Maharaja. Guru Maharaja asked Brahmananda Prabhu, "Kakdila?" It means, how are you in Russian. He also asked few other words in Russian. Guru Maharaja always kindly enquires everyone who comes to see him, how they are, where they are staying and for how many days. HG Brahmananda Prabhu specifically came to see Guru Maharaja from Russia! He was very pleased to see Guru Maharaja and Guru Maharaja's special concern for him. Even in this condition of lying down on the ICCU bed he is always concerned about our welfare if we ate, if we are ok, etc, Amazing!!! Seeing Guru Maharaja's dealings with the devotees, HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja was enjoying and admiring his care and concern. Guru Maharaja started to glorify HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja and then HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja glorified. Like this they were glorifying each other. It was such a pleasure to watch their loving exchanges. HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja narrated the incident of how Guru Maharaja met HG Acyutananda Prabhu after a long time of separation. Guru Maharaja and HG Acyutananda Prabhu were preaching together in India for many years. 30 years ago. They were very nice friends. During the New York Ratha Yatra Guru Maharaja met HG Acyutananda Prabhu surprisingly. In the beginning he could not recognize him as they haven't seen each other for so many years. HG Acyutananda Prabhu saw Guru Maharaja and said, "I am your godbrother, Acyutananda Prabhu." Guru Maharaja looked at him and had tears in his eyes. Guru Maharaja embraced him and HG Acyutananda prabhu also started crying. HG Acyutananda Prabhu called HG Yogesvara prabhu and informed him about his meeting with Guru Maharaja and how both of them cried. After HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja spoke Guru Maharaja told us how they used to preach together and also he asked HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja to send a message to HG Acyutananda prabhu saying he loves him. Guru Maharaja also asked about HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja's travel to America. He asked in which airline he was flying. Maharaja replied British Airways. Guru Maharaja said, "In BA they have flat bed." We all started laughing. Guru Maharaja asked if HG Brahamanada Prabhu knows what flat bed means, and he didn't. I explained to him that in business class one can make the seat flat. Then Guru Maharaja asked HH Radhanatha Swami Maharaja if he was flying on a business class. Maharaja replied, "I don't know what kind of ticket they bought for me." HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja is a very simple sadhu and a powerful spiritual master. He is very caring and loving towards all of us. He just came to see Guru Maharaja before going to America. He travelled so many hours to just come and see Guru Maharaja, to exchange few words with him and to encourage us. We are really grateful to His Holiness for all his love and care for our Guru Maharaja and for all of us. He even cancelled his Vyasa puja just because Guru Maharaja was in hospital in a serious situation. We conveyed the message to Maharaja saying Guru Maharaja is not happy that he had cancelled his Vyasa Puja. But he didn't want to celebrate at this moment when Guru Maharaja was on ventilator and he said he will celebrate his Vyasa puja another day during the year. HG Brahmananda Prabhu and Maharaja were telling Guru Maharaja how the devotees are praying for him and how they all love him. Guru Maharaja said, "That's why I am still here." Guru Maharaja asked HG Brahmananda Prabhu about the Moscow temple and he said that it is going to be built only if Guru Maharaja will give class. Guru Maharaja said he will go as soon as he can play his kartals. Guru Maharaja asked if we had any Balaji's Laddu (Mahaprasad from Tirupati Balaji). Guru Maharaja wanted to give to HG Brahmananda prabhu. Since we didn't have we gave them some Jagannath Maha Oil. Nurses told us to go out, to change Guru Maharaja's position. After I went again inside to discuss with Guru Maharaja, what present to give to HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja. Guru Maharaja chose a nice pavitram from Lord Narasimhadeva and he personally gave to Maharaja and said, "Happy Vyasa Puja". Maharaja was happy to receive the gift from Guru Maharaja. There were many loving exchanges amongst HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja, Guru Maharaja and HG Brahmananda prabhu. Once we tried to guess what Guru Maharaja was saying for 15 min, until we realized that he was speaking in Russian to HG Brahmananda Prabhu's wife. At 6:45 pm After Maharaja and HG Brahmanada Prabhu left, HG Braja Hari Prabhu came to see Guru Maharaja. I would like to say few words about HG Braja Hari Prabhu. He is Guru Maharaja's disciple more than 25 years now, a brahmacari and a very simple and pure hearted devotee. He is the Temple President of Juhu, Mumbai. He has dedicated his life in the service of Sri Sri Radha Rasabihariji. He is one of the key person in Guru Maharaja's hospital lila. He arranged everything for us and Guru Maharaja. Whenever he comes to see Guru Maharaja he gets the best fruits for him. He is also like a father to me. Your servant JPS caregivers

Yes you are right however regardless who Jagai and Madhai are in Krishna Lila or Vaikuntha, you miss understand the point of Lord Caitanya's appearance in Kali-yuga<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The answer is simple, due to Lord Caitanya and Lord Nityananda’s appearance as patita-pavana, if you think of the most sinful thing a human being can do, then it is those fallen souls who qualify for their mercy.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Isn't this the meaning of patita-pavana??<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Your understanding is totally incorrect, we ARE very fortunate in this Kali-yuga even if we are the most fallen of the fallen (the newspapers are full of such exploiters every day, save them and you can save the world). <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Many have been blasphemers to the devotee, many have offended devotees, and even devotees have fallen down and exploited, used and abused devotees. In fact, if such non devotees and even fallen devotees eventually realize their degradation and fallen state, and genuinely surrender to Lord Caitanya, then there is absolutely NO need for them to seek forgiveness from those who they have offended if they surrender to Lord Caitanya. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> And even if they do attempt to, they should only do so if the offended are also genuine devotee, otherwise forget it, karmi (worldly and materially contaminated so called devotee) minded people could never understand forgiveness and foolishly believe something’s are unforgivable. Actually, nothing is unforgivable to Lord Caitanya if we surrenders unto Him therefore it is that inability to surrender and forgive oneself that sends one to Hell and not the heinous act on a human being.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Try to understand what patita-pavana means (the deliver of the most fallen)<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Don’t waste your time finding people you have offended (unless they are solidly and properly situated in selfless Krishna Consciousness - The fact is, such pure devotees hardly exist)<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Absolutely nothing is unforgivable by Lord Caitanya in Kali-yuga, a karmi (materialistic person that even sometimes externally masquerades as a devotee of Krishna, cannot not understand this advanced realization of the word ‘patita-pavan.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Hare Krsna<o:p></o:p>

What does it really mean to be situated in Gods Kingdom and what is, or where is our true eternal bodily form and identity? Nothing is lost or gained in Goloka Vrndavana or the perpetual Kingdom of God because everything is always fully perfect in the mood of loving selfless devotional relationships with Krishna. In actual fact,we are always there but some of us are 'thinking' or 'dreaming we are not there but live in a world made up of our own imagination. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> The fact is, our real bodily form is eternally with Krishna in Goloka but sometimes, due to our ability to choose and practise free will, our memory and 'awareness' of who we really are becomes forgotten or covered by our own self centred desires to please ourselves and not Krishna. <o:p></o:p> So leaving Goloka is NOT a physical fall down, it is a sub-conscious one. Everything in Krsnaloka is set eternally in the present, meaning Gods eternal blissful Kingdom has no experience or concept of past or future. So what’s there is forever there. This means every living entity is represented there by the bodily form they eternally are. <o:p></o:p> This eternal presents that has no beginning or end in Goloka, is a place of selfless loving devotion. This is Gods or Krishna’s eternal Kingdom where the living entities awareness is meant to always be however, some choose to forget and enter another world called the material creation or mahat-tattva. <o:p></o:p> Only found in Goloka is who we really are, everlastingly serving Krsna and his devotees and expansions in a blissful body that ultimately out shines all the dream material identities our forgetful mind has created over so many life times. <o:p></o:p> It is therefore; only in Goloka we will find that our perpetual devotional bodily form, endlessly exists living out the living entities 'full potential originality as a nitya siddha embodied devotee of Krsna or Vishnu'. <o:p></o:p> This means ALL living entities or jiva sparks, have a Svarupa body that is eternally unchangeable, eternally youthful, eternally original and eternal a person with bodily form sat, chit, ananda, VIGRAHA. <o:p></o:p> If there is no past or future and only the present, then we are all in a perpetual state of originality there. Remember, the living entity leaves Goloka not as ones eternal Svarupa body, but via their sub-conscious dream, thought, mistaken desires and imagination. So, just as ones material body never changes while one is dreaming they are a King, ones ‘Svarupa’ body never changes while one is living out their self centred dreams in the material world. <o:p></o:p> We must remember that our nitya-siddha-Svarupa body is forever locked and secured perpetually within the ‘eternal present, which is an eternal state of originality’ that has no past and future. <o:p></o:p> This means when one finishes their dreams within the material world and again become ‘aware’ of their full potential ‘Svarupa body, it is like waking up from a dream and finding themselves as the body they always were and always have been. <o:p></o:p> Srila Prabhupada explains it this way –“There is nothing to be gained in Goloka, only regained”