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  1. the video has been removed. People should first try to understand that Mahatmas are not like ordinary people bound to maya.you don't *GET AWAY* with bad mouthing a Harijan.
  2. that's really heart warming... i had formed wrong notions about iskon...thanks a lot:pray:
  3. yes...The vedas states,"manah karana bandhana mosksha." Kaushitki,Tejo bindu etc upanishads clearly declare that the mind is the main culprit.It has to be subdued...to be cleaned. Bhakti is the independent,the Supreme,the sole way to cleanse the mind. While addressing Uddahva,Sri Krsna states,"Bhaktya mam ekaya grahya." Uddhava,I'm obtained only through Bhakti. Bhakti in general is summed up as the process of surrendering the mind to Sri Krsna. In the Bhagavad Geeta,Sri Krsna challenges,"This maya is My energy.No one can overcome it without My grace." What is this 'My grace' of sri Krsna ??? How is it obtained ??? Since No one can overcome Maya except by the grace of Sri Krsna,it is very imperative to understand ways to achieve this grace. Sri Krsna says,"mam ekam sharnam vraja.Aham tvam sarva paapebhyo mokshashyami." You surrender yourself to Me completely.Cent percent.And i will burn all your sins and punya away.I will liberate you. Punya ?? But He says only PAAPA. Gauranga Mahaprabhu has clarified it,"paapa means paapa+punya." in this context. what context is it ?? In the world of Bhagavan and Bhagavatas even punya-good karma is paapa-heinous. What's more,the bhagavatas cringe at the mere mention of mukti. one Bhagavata was worshipping tulsi when mukti came at his gate.He asked her,"Who are you ?" "I'm your master's servant.I've come to serve you.I am mukti." The bhagavata shouts impulsively,"DOORE TISHSHT." "FAR FAR ! STAND FAR AWAY.Even if somehow or other desire to attain you comes in my mind,I will lose all my attraction-my bhava for Shyamsundara !! Go away !"
  4. Are you a bit...you know... dumb ??? When did i say that Madhva and Ramanuja are foolish...Why are you relentlessly pursuing it ??? You act as if you know all the truths of Vaikuntha. So many vaishnavacharyas believe shankara to be indifferent from Vishnu. I(right now) seriously don't care if you accept it or not.It is clearly affecting your faith in the Bhagavatam and other acharyas and Gaudiya acharyas.It's best you do not pursue the subject.
  5. there is absolutely no way around it,i'm afraid.
  6. bhakti is done for a reason.If i tell a person in his ear,"Sri Krsna is the Supreme Lord Worship Him." He will never worship even for a second. I have to go further than that"Worship Him becoz He is ananda and when you attain Him you will be forever blissful." Then he will consider.He might say a prayer or two to Sri Krsna.But the next day,a new movie will come and he will forget about it. So i've to go even further,"His bliss is infinite and increases with every second.The dukha you get in this world is completely absent ther." This goes on building. Bhakti,the purest bhakti of Prema bhakti-bhakti which rejects mukti and bhukti is established carefully by the mahatmas.They have eliminated,and rightly so,the need for ever desiring bhukti and mukti thus. you cannot view all bhaktas as the same. some desire women,some wealth,some beauty. Others desire mukti. Still others desire to have a body like the lord,live in His blissful dhama,etc. But the highest bhaktas,who are unconditional and selfless are only those who follow the footsteps of Chaitanya etc.
  7. i never said that people who do not accept Shankara indifferent from Sri Vishnu should have their eyes put out.I quoted Shatanand,a saint from the Pushti marg order who said that. Calling Shiva a Jiva is foolish,certainly.This is for those whose acharyas have similar views.You say i have indirectly called Madva and Ramanuja foolish. I fail to see why doesn't the same apply to your case.You've made it clear that you absolutely hate fake avtars of God.I do too.On the other hand,you refuse to accept Chaitanya's avtaarhood.Does it mean,you indirectly hate,despise,look down upon,continuously insult Gauranga ???? You see,it's not so easy.
  8. i am fully situated in the fact that ramakrishna's teachings are misleading...reflections of these are clearly visible in the life of vivekananda. Ramakrshna often quoted from Bhagavata,more often than anything else,and he twisted it's meaning. Mayavada and bhakti are on the same level-this teaching is grossly misleading. at other times he said,"I spit on Brahmananda" Shankaracharya and Buddha were two such misleading figures.While one was a perfect prema bhakta,the other was Bhagavan. *** i nurture hatred for him subconsciously ??? You seem to know my mind better than i do .
  9. hahahaha...i haven't laughed so hard in weeks ! It's true..It's true..Vayu-Sri Madhvacharya. Raghu believes that having faith in Sri Narayana as the Supreme Brahm and then freely slinging mud on other acharyas(Prabhupad,Caitanya) is allowed. He actually,LITERALLY believes that WHATSOEVER HE SAYS has to be accepted as the final truth. Raghu,you have posted over and over again the purport of prabhupad on Ganesha.There is a reason why EVERY SINGLE TEMPLE starts any kind of worship with ganesha.You think your too great to even bow before Ganesha ??? What is your position ??? What great personality are you ??? Nyaneshwara worshipped Ganesha and established his position to be worshipped thus because he is the remover of obstacles on the path of bhakti.Obviously,it is never necessary to worship him. But seriously,what kind of fool are you to think that you knw better than Jnyaneshwara or Prabhupada??? Just look at yourself.
  10. i think only humbly crying will help.When Sri Krsna sees,'Oh he's crying.He must be hooked up with a mahatma' and then He tells one of His dear bhaktas gently,"My dear,please bestow your mercy on this person.He is crying for Me." The mahatma replies,"Like my mercy matters.You've already put his case in front of me.Now i have to go to him,what other choice do i have but to do whatever You want ??" Going to sampradayas is good...But sometimes(ritviks),frauds are found even in sampradaya. Vamshivat babaji says,"CRY !!! Don't do anything else."
  11. of yeah...all that especially the certificate "You are now free to enter Golok,where even Shankara and Uma run to from Their own Lokas."
  12. Ganeshprasad,I'm sorry to point out the foolishness that is "Vayu is pratyakshya Brahm". You see,the Upanishads call Akasha as Brahm.Man/mind is Brahm.Etc etc.. this can be understood only by the mahatmas...they alone know the meaning when veda is calling a dead akasha as Brahm. Akasha is not brahm.The vedas are not possible to be understood. by ordinary intellect. Vedavyasa writed,"...ananta baram Gambhiram durvigahyam samutravat." "Oh dull minded men,I have pored over the vedas again and again,and i declare that DON'T EVEN TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE VEDAS." Mayavadis will only twaddle their thumbs when the vedas talk of Vidya,avidya Isha. They will dryly say that they mean Knowledge,Ignorance and Lord over knowledge and ignorance. But the mahatmas who actually have knowledge of the three tattvas: Jeeva,maya and Ishvara,they will point out,Vidya means Jeeva,Avidya is maya and Ishate-Ishvara is Bhagavan. Like this,there are infinite such examples.
  13. Nimbarkis believe that Nimbarkacharya was some thousand years before Shankaracharya. Upto this day,you(okay,not you,your too cynical.Maybe sambya or some devout shankara follower) go to the peethdheeswar of Nimbarka sampradaya(sri Sreeji maharaj) and tell me he is not a mahatma. You won't even find words to describe his state of being. so there...triple gurantee.
  14. like you could ever establish how mayavadis attain the grace of the nirgun/niraakar Brahm without surrendering to Sri Krsna. oh but it does.No clean mind=> no bestowing of grace => no Brahmgyana(talking about gyanis here.) Now,I'm not saying that the shankarites are false mahatmas or whatever...but the general message is,why not look upto the line which actually clearly defines it's bread and butter as the mercy of Godhead opposed to the one which says,"study vedanta !" and "do pranayama!" and "meditate !" and "Do padmasana !" and "awake your kundalini !" and "do char dham yatra! " and "read geeta !"(mechanically with no appreciation of "Brahmano hi pratishtha ham(mam ? lol.i forget.)"??
  15. the author of the gross tantra-mantra experience,called sai baba a fraud...like literally to his face...
  16. you call me a mayavadi. People would think mayavadis have started to believe in an actual,solid Vaikunthadhama....
  17. Btw,demigod means a devata who is a jeevatma. Tell me a single verse in bhagavatam that says shankara is a Jeevatma or even Srila Prabhupad's purports...where does he say shankara is Jiva ??? and the vedas talk of only three tattvas: Brahm,Jeeva and maya. shankara is not Jeeva. Shankara is not maya. Who is He then ?? perhaps a fourth tattva ?? Now talk of not conforming with Shruti.
  18. Gaudiyas and Vallabha followers are not fanatical about shankara.You believe Shankara to be a different tattva,that's why you are accusing Gaudiyas and Vallabha followers. Gaudiyas and Vallabha followers are fanatical about Krsna. It should atleast be clear by now,why would the perfect sages make puranas on devi and shankara,if there wasn't an iota of truth to it ??.Are they so dumb ??? Or have you started thinking that you are better than them ????
  19. Srila Prabhupada,Tulsidas etc ..when they talk about Lord Shiva,Lord Brahma...they obviously follow the Bhagavatam.The Bhagavatam states that although shiva and Brahma are guna-AVTAARAS of Sri Garbhodashayi Vishnu,the highest benefit can be obtained from Vishnu. Similarly,Jnyaneshwara,in his geeta bhashya,states,"Even Shankara couldn't get this darshan which the Lord showed to Arjuna." Tulsidasa states in his ramayana many times that Lord Rama's lotus feet are ever worshipped by shankara.And that Lord Hara ever dances while singing the names of Sri Rama. Many acharyas,when they talk about Brahm-they say even Brahma Mahesvara cannot understand Bhagavan on the strength of their Intelligence. Even tulsidas states this. So acharyas have generally accepted the higher position of Visnu over Shankara and Brahma. But on the other hand,Shiva(of the material world itself) is glorified by many of these acharyas as non-different from Sri Vishnu.This is very mysterious.Again,this can be understood by people who actually believe that any avtara of the Lord is identical with Him,whether it is Guna avtara or Shaktyavesa avtara.Certainly,the acharyas go with the conclusion of bhagavatam: that ultimate benefit is achieved from sri Visnu.(otherwise Tulsidas would have worshipped uma and shankara.) But rarely do they mention the nondifference of Shankara and Vishnu.(maybe not tulsidas.) Why,you may ask. Because it bewilders the followers.Clearly,i can see one example. In the context of Bhagavatam Srila Prabhupada terms Brahma and Shankara as demigods.But no one can ever deny that Shankra and Brahma are the guna avataras. You called Shankara as the incarnation of tamo guna.That is gross foolishness.As stated by Prabhupada,Godhead ACCEPTS THE INFLUENCE OF MAYA VOLUNTARILY in the case of Shankara. Now,as you state and i believe,the above statement sounds like mayavada. Thus,the bhagavatam clears this up,when Brahma glorifies Shankara.It is clearly stated,"You are never deluded by the Supreme Lord's energy for You are His incarnation/expansion." This contradicts the many accounts of shankara being deluded by mahamaya.Many sastras state that "Shankara APPEARS to be deluded by maya but he is actually not." But all these contradictions do not extend to Sadashiva.He is accepted by ALL GAUDIYA ACHARYAS to be the direct expansion of the Lord and residing in Vaikuntha and that is that.
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