Amlesh

To serve the purpose of Hari, then may be yes. But not to attain liberation, which he already has.

Between Ram Naam and Ram Darshan, there is one more step, Ram Kaaj.

Between Ram Naam and Ram Darshan, there is one more step, Ram Kaaj. (Sorry, not meant for this thread)

Spiritual Realisation is not a group work. When you'll know your own self, you'll realise all the living entities as well. In Gita it has been stated that for spiritual advancement, we need to be in a solitary place, Satsang is something different. To follow the path laid down by SP, does not necessarily mean doing it with a group of people. Infact, you'll better understand things when you are alone in your quest, with SP (via his books) and Krishna as your internal friend. Read the Gita deeply, it's enough.

Hats off. Very intelligent from your part. That's why Krishna said: 1. The soul never does, actions are carried out by material nature. 2. No one kills and no one dies. 3. You are compelled to act according to your nature. 4.........

Yes, you are perfectly right Bija, they would certainly fear. But there is another reality, there is no need to fear, this very world is not a place where we would expect all people to learn such facts and it has been validated in the Gita (sa mahatma sudurlabaha). The sign of ignorance among the mass is not a new issue, it has always been there. For the chosen one, he/she 'll need to learn the truth and carry on with the supreme's order.

Don't enclose your thoughts within limitations. Think in a broader sense. I've said earlier, choices does exist but it is like planting flower in the sky. I also said, it exist but only for the ignorant but not for the wise. Instead of using the word Karma, you are using Destiny. You've responded the way I wanted, that is, punishment and rewards according our Karma.... But tell me who regulates the Law of Karma. Even if a choice is made, whether serving Krishna and not serving Krishna, you wil meet Krishna or his energy in some way or the other. Choice: 1. Serve Krishna --- Obtain Bhakti by Krishna. 2. Not Serve Krishna --- Face Maya, energy of Krishna. In short run there is choice. In the long run, do we really have any choice.

Being encaged in an Animal Body also is like paying for some sort of sin. Being everywhere except Vaikunth means being in Hell only, even if we are situated in the Topmost material Planet. What is the consequence of choosing, it is always accompanied by some condition, in your example it was Hell. If we are really free, then it should be devoid of all conditions.

The stay in Hell also is temporary. But once you've serving Krishna, there is no turning Back (Back to Godhead).

I've never said the other way round. It is the way I see it also. Maybe I was not that clear in my explanations. I am also a student of Srila Prabhupad. But the question of Choice, I rather see it in the Long Run.

Definately.

Again, I would say, it does exist in conception, in reality it does not. Everyone serves the purpose of Hari, even if someone refuses to serve Him and go on his free will. No blade of grass moves by the will of God, then where does the concept of free will comes. It does come, only for the ignorant, it exist for him only. Duryodhana refused his peace talk, even then, he came out of some purpose for Krishna.

No, it does not lead impersonalism. In fact it frees us from the conception from I and Mine. The concept of seperatist can well fit here. That is called false ego.

That's what I said, we are imposed results even with the so-called 'Free-will'. I have the habit of seeing things using the eternal approach. I was said in the Gita, to know which is true, see whether it is eternal or not. Our free-will is temporary since everyone is entitled to serve Hari someday or the other. But the interesting thing is that, we get liberated and free only after giving our freedom to God.

Whatever happens, happens for the best. May be if we would have given you the interview, you would have obtain a B in your subject. Bhagwan ki assim Kripa.

... on top of that Putana got liberated.

As usual, Dark Warrior is too quick.

Don't worry Avinash, I know that I'm not that intelligent, but still God gave me enough to identify a Vaishnava. Anyways, I'll try to see the case you've presented, cause I quite ignorant about, then only I think I'll be fit to give a complete answer. So in the meantime you can .

Choice is given, but outcome is already decided by providence. Arhuna was asked to choose but was said by Krishna, whether you choose or not to do the Job, the outcome has already been decided. In the long run even that free will, will dissapear, the only thing that exist is the thing that is eternal, our dependence to God.

All of us know the Vedic Conclusion, that's enough. The rest is to make our life a bit spicy. Anyways, we are from the same background, so chill dudes.

Nope, they are Brahmanas, they are the most protected by Krishna. They are supposed to show perfection. According to Srimad Bhagvatam, they are highest in the universe.

For me it's Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. No leader can be equal to him in recent times.

The concept of free is like planting a flower in the sky. It does exist in conception but in reality it is not. We take for example, the Jiva who is defined as an eternal servant of God, whether Direct or Indirectly. When talking about servant, automatically the issue of Master crops up, and when there is a master, then how come there can be a free will. The depth of this issue can be sensed more and more depending on the level of self-realisation. When a person, be it a Hard Core atheist commits a well chosen free actions, the resultant effects be it +ve or -ve is subsquently imposed on him. The latter might think, I'm free to do this and that, but still hapiness and miseries of life will be waiting to cross his way. Now, if someone is not agreeing with me, then tell me, who has ever been spared from the four miseries of life(birth, death, old age and disease). Those who has transcended the dualities of life perfectly understand that no one is independent of God. Govindam Adi Purusham... .....Sarva Karana Karanam.

It is not so from my part. I'll take particular concern next time to your response.

Dear friend, first of all I'm happy to say there do exist the answer for all your questions. However, it is not that easy to find the answers. I'll help you furthermore, the answer to all questions lies only in one scripture, Devaki Putram Gitam, The Gita. Please read sincerely atleast once. Then we can come up with some discussions.