Amlesh

with that I'm signing off. Pleased to meet you Dark Headed. This is for you... Tamaso(Dark) ma Jyortir Gamaya (light), this prayer was specially composed for you. I hope someday you'll become Light Warrior.

Dear Dark you like to find errors on Iskcon devotees but I can find that to some extent you are like them, you don't have that universal approach concerning Vaishnavism. People like you and them make Vaishnavism like a sectarian Philosophy. Open your eyes dude. And when did I say that when you pray to Popeye, Bugs Bunny, Loulou McWolf you become Vaishnava. You become Vaishnava when you pray to Hari, but Jesus's is not bad in terms of morality, and if followed perfectly will some day or the other lead to Vaishnavism. And please don't associate me with Iskcon, My Guru is Srila Prabhupad and Krishna only, that's all.

Dark has too many naming conventions in his data dictionary and like to tag people with many designations, though being a Vaishnava. God has given knowledge for application but you learn it like a bookish fellow and blabber like a parrot. Nothing more. Dark Parrot, I think Crow suits you better. See me too have stooped to your level, better not to argue with you.

Go in front of the mirror and ask yourself this question, Dark. Bishadi may be very original in his approach, but he knows the sense of Harmony, which is not your trade mark.

I perfectly understand that and I also understand what Hari said in the Gita, "For those who prays to the demigods, I make their faith stronger." Why should I oppose Hari. For the one who is meant to understand, I can give him my life it is needed so, to make him aware of Hari. For others they are free to pray to Popeye and Daffy. That's why he chose only Arjun to deliver his message. It's true, if everyone can understand Gita, it would have been nice, but hey, we are in the material world, very rarely people chooses this path. Dark in Wonderland. Disobeying Krishna is the thing you've been doing since eternity, but still today you got the opportunity to be a Devotee, same it is for others. Have patience.

I would like to become Vaishnava someday, but I'll never ask for Moksha. What do you understand by the term Moksha, my dear bookish fellow. You are champion in taking an issue to that level. Concerning a path being authentic or not and correpondingly lead to Moksha, is something even the ignorant Iskcon devotees know, but my dear friend, not knowing that Krishna is behind all religions is the greatest goof. He is the cause of all the causes.

Who said I limit it with Christianity. Then I would have called Jesus as the Grandson of God. In any case, whether he would have chosen Popeye as His God, he would have been related with Vishnu. Hari is the thread that links all the pearls.

Yep, but in any case bible is incomplete but has a bit of Bhakti in it. What you've said is true though. Only after studying Gita, Ramayana and Srimad Bhagwatan [with Hari's Grace] that Gyan comes to its end and Bhakti in completeness starts.

Yep, he even said Hate the sin not the sinner. His degree of surrenderness spoke by itself, no need to hear from you Dark.

Jesus being a pure bhakta are rambles for you. I didn't say disrespect, but misconceptions. Again, out of topic, my point was mixing Bhakta's behaviour and judging Guru's teachings. And Dark, you are not still getting it, I've never said mixing Vaishnavism and Christianity, which can never be the case. I said using vaishnavism as the standard meter to see the degree of religiosity present in Christianity. Dude understand my points well before blabbering. Sometimes silence is an answer, unlock it. I'll use your own words to describe you..."Your understanding can be compared to pouring water in a sieve." You like to make yourself happy by quoting the right thing at the wrong time and wrong circumstances. You seem to be holding the reserved rights for Vaishnavism, which I say is not the case. You might be well armed with Knowledge, but in terms of Realised knowledge, a long way to go [don't forget to take your compass]. Thanks, it's something I'm already aware of. Say something new Dude. By the way, how come you know Vedanta, but still can't see Jesus is the Son of GOD where even by Dog is the Son of Hari.

So go and correct them with a stick 1 by 1 but don't mix up things. Infact your answer to my points are irrelevant. If yours is correct then congrats for others let them be stupid. Atlast...

I do admit that most of iskcon Devotees don't know the real meaning of Vaishnavism. That does not mean that these followers have understood what Srila Prabhupad had said. Isckon and Srila Prabhupad are 2 different entities. Not everyone has understood his intent. Theist and cBrahma give reverence to Srila Prabhupad but they themselves are not attached to Iskcon. Don't mix up things dude. If you want to prove something then you cannot generalise things according to the behaviour of majority of Isckon devotees and place it as what SP has explained. Dude, wake up... And if you want to challenge SP's teaching then dude, I'll never paticipate on your fest. Challenging your knowledge will be challenging another Vaishnava Acharyas teaching, which is less than a Vaishnava act.

And here it goes again...

OK thanks. There might be many causes why, for instance the past time of God is an eternal play, might differ between aeons.

During the transition time, yes. But nonetheless after some time, they'll have to accept a material or a spiritual body, depending on deeds.

Dharma is part of Krishna... But I don't know from whose transalation you've got these statements...

Thanks Dude.

Not problem with Vaishnavism, but aspirant Vaishnava. It makes a big difference.

Yep, you are right. That will not change anything, you are nothing but the spirit soul, or better, a near and dear of Nitaai-Gaura, no other identity. It's time to change the topic. Jai Sita-Ram. Jai Hanuman:)

I admire your ways bija, you appear to be the happiest and less disturbed than the majority of those who are enjoying a good health. Others should learn from you. Only 3 people have coolness in their post: you, theist and bishadi.

Perfectly said Bishadi. By knowing both the gross and subtle elements individually, and knowing most importantly their interrelation that knowledge can be attained in its optimum level. That is understanding the harmonious coexistence of these 2 extremeties.

Ok

You cannot be a Perfect Bhakta without being backed by Jyana. Mira Bai is the last stage of perfection.

Dear Dark, it's very surprising for me to know that only devotees coming from SV are the complete Vaishnavas. Your statements say so. With all the 8 elements that makes your constitution, I've understood that ego was more prominent, you went that far, that you couldn't even refrain your industrious mind to let comment on Mira Bai. The more you'll speak the more you'll reveal your puffed up arrogance. No sane man will comment on such a personality.

Ok Dark Clouded. Good things are not appreciated these days.