Amlesh

Theist's style. Always neat and lucid; your Trade Mark. Thanks Dude.

But understanding Gandhiji is never an easy Job. He never said about being a perfect person, but his intent was being one. Whatever he said or did at a certain point in time cannot be used to judge his integrity. Slaughter of cows did affect him, that's why he made a vow never to drink milk. Concerning not saying anything to the muslim, was an intelligent act from an extremely intelligent person, India was already under the pressure concerning the Hindu Muslim conflict and also on the other hand the fight for independence... had he said anything against the muslim principles would have caused many other conflicts. It is very simple to understand this fact, all the Vaishnavas know that Lord Buddha is an incarnation of Lord Vishnu, but still Lord Buddha did not teach Bhakti, he limited the teachings upto the level of Nirvana... Why?????? Due to circumstance and the level of intelligence of his disciple and of course because of HIS DIVINE WILL. Sometimes higher intelligence when taught to people with less intelligence worsen things, it is wise to remain to the level required for proper adjustments. It reminds me of one quotes of Chanakya Pandita, which I've mentionned so many times: When milk which is of pure goodness is given to snakes, the only thing that takes effect is the strengthening of the Venom, likewise, knowledge to foolish people makes matters worse. Anyways, I hope there are no snakes out here.

But I do like his style...

That is the least you can expect from Dark Warrior. His logic is perfect, of that there is no doubt. But decency is something far from him. If he says A and you agree and say A, still he will always find something to argue about. It's his trade mark. But I'll have to agree, rarely I've met someone as lucid as him. The persons whom I might say lucid and decent are Theist, Bishadi and bija.

It means that a yogi should be free from dualities. The level of Nirvana means cessation of material activities. Anything created, thought, done etc on the personal basis devoid of the interest of Hari falls under the category of the 3 modes of material nature [Goodness, Passion and Ignorance]. Buddhism limits itself with the level of Nirguna, but above that level comes Bhakti, which is the last stage... That is working for Hari, since Hari is Brahman, obviously, we'll start working for all the living entities, regardless of his\her maili chaadar [garment]. Concerning leaving Goodness is quite an esoteric topic, Arjuna spoke a lot, but Krishna said "what you are saying stands with of lots of morality in appearance but is nothing in substance." What we might think is Good from our personal perception might not be so in a universal or more global terms. That's why what has been planned by the Perfect, i.e, Krishna is always perfect, and his plans are free from the material modes of nature, thus abiding by his plans is known as Bhakti. Following his plans is the Real Good. Krishna also said in the Gita, whether you choose to raise your arms or not, does not really matter, when I got up I already killed them; if not you, then someone else will do the Job. But to be Krishna's servant is a very difficult and another story. He knows to whom he should relate the Gita.

He is a Vaishnava, thus I've nothing more to say.

I totally agree, sometimes Dark do display some reasonings with substance. This a clear example. He knows the scriptures well.

Yep you are right Ranjeetmore, if these people would have carefully heard Bhaja Govindam by Shankaracharya, their questions and reasonings would have been less stupid.

Bhaja Govindam Bhaja Govindam tab muddaha...

Bhakti is meant only for Vishnu, verdict of all great souls and also confirmed by Hari Himself in the Gita. Arjuna says, I heard from Asita, Devala, Narada, today, you, yourself is confirming it. I prefer to hear what Narada and other great souls says.

Have you ever heard of these so-called stories??? Had it been so, you would have been yourself the seeker who really need to grow. Bhakti of a Bhakta is above all austerities, it is the stage beyond Tapas, which is a solitary excercise, Bhakti is the stage where you start working for the Supreme, for all the Living Entities. Complete your phase first.

Knowing Ram to be the Supreme is Basic:confused:. Ok, if you say so. By the way, did I leave any scope for Argument with this statement?

The one who is well equipped is you Dark...

Brightly said. Knowledge is incomplete without knowing igorance.

The only one who can argue against a Vaishnava is a Vaishnava. That too its for sport, cause both of them knows the Ultimate Conclusion Only Diamond can Polish another Diamond. Can I ask you for something??? Have you ever seen a philosophy that makes a person totally binded to God and also work for all creatures regardless of his garment. Only Vaishnavism does that. Come to the point Dude, I'll not ask you for any proof but show me who apart from a Hari Bhakta had strive to help all people.

Dear Ashok, can you limit Him by telling Him that Dear God you cannot have a Form. He will reply, what's impossible for me. I say say, He is Formless as well as He does have a Form. In his Form he is more complex and more beautiful. I am the Basis of Brahman [says Krishna in BG]

Thanks Ashok. That's what, those who doubt needs proof. I already have a small glimpse of Him, my only desire is to work for Him now.

May be I'll get know something out of your fightings. See, it's true, fighting between 2 makes the 3rd happy.

What will happen to me, I'll have to eat peanuts,Popcorn and watch you two:(. I've never read the Vedas.

Satya Vachan. It's truth to the highest perfection. What you've said is the ultimate conclusion, to know it is something great, to experience it even greater, and to be His servant, we need his grace and the grace of his nears and dears. Any words against Shiva will be taken into account by Sri Ram... Confirmed by Goswami Tulsidas. "One cannot attain my grace, if there is despise for Shiva." The same is for Shiva when Ram is not shown respect. Jai Sita Ram. Jai Sri Hanuman

He didn't mean that, you've perceived it in some other way. Your comparative mechanism is wrong. There won't be any further addition on my behalf, I know you are intelligent to draw the right meaning.

Terrific:cool:

What about the Futur?

Indeed, let everyone follow his instinct.

Yep, these choices and impositions of circumstances and time, really mind twisting. Nice, if someone gives that indepence to Hari, life becomes easy.