madhav

>>As for the missionaries, no use callng them for a talk. << yes. but i have debated with some xians and preachers who knock at the door or you meet them any where. none have answered my questions to them satisfactorily, nor they have won a single point of their debate. all glory to my guru. the youg xian generation is mostly rational. they would agree our points when we answer their questions. one xian educated young man said me, "more i know the eastern religions more i like them." we had talked more than two hours in friendly mood. he was an atheist, but liked hinduism when he heard from me about it.

>>We should not laugh at another's misfortune. << or convert them, pertucularly the hindus, by lures or force or economics or political or brute force. the right thing to do is to show them, by example, how to practice hinduism well to get out of misfortune.

it would be very helpful if you say in just a few lines what is there please. thanks.

very good article! dhanyawad raghuraman ji. the ancient wisdom is that one has to use a thorn to take out a thorn stuck in the foot. so, i think the world needs xians as long as there is Islam. however, they cannot help in bharat. one good thing about xians, i think, is that they could come to table to resolve isssues by rational discussion. this is impossible with the muslims. muslims hardly discuss/debate rationally. what is your opinion please?

i humbly suggest please do something so that any new user alwasy has to pick a username to post something here. without it, many different posters have same username "Guest" which is confusing.

i humbly suggest please do something so that any new user alwasy has to pick a username to post something here. without it, many different posters have same username "Guest" which is confusing.

Please read artiles on: http://www.bharatvani.org/ page to know hinduism.

Oh, i am sorry, i wanted to add it in anoteh therad.

>>Amazing you speak out against the Christians preaching but you justify this?<< i have not read all that post, but the vedas do have descriptions of animal sacrifices. however, that practice is long gone mostly. but like any other religious groups, hindus also will have some less intelligent shudras who would practice such thing. i agree that vaishnavas and others need to help them give up violent sacrifices. i know some swamis have showm how to do yagnas without live sacrifices. now, suppose all hindus give up such sacrifices, will the xian missionaries go out of bharat, and never say a word against hinduism?

>>Are you sure ? how do they explain this difference ? << i do not know about mark, but i know it. it would be better if some one goes to their web site and ask them the second question.

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>>I would advise you to abide by those commandments, however controversial and give my thanks to the one that died for me. << - Jinglheimer if you are happy with xianity, good. please do not donate to missionaries who go out in india to convert hindus. insead, send them in muslim countries and to bin laden. what you are doing here on a vaishnava site please? just curious. enjoy it any way. if you have non-envious curiosity to know hinduism or vaishnavism i could help somewhat.

>>The point I am trying to make by posting these stories is thatthere is a lot that marches under the banner of "Hinduism" that needs to be cleaned up. Better to be Christian or even Muslim then to be involved in the following.<< - theist Bhagavad Gita is accepted as The Book of Hinduism. All Hindus need to live by it. Those who envy Hinduism, only more talk about kali and sacrifice. The fact is that kali worshipers are a very small part of the total hindu population. recently many catholic priests are foind to be child molesters or pedophiles. but still i and many hindus think that such asuras are a minority, and xianity does teach them to do such adharma. similarly gita does not teach animal or human sacrifice. (what is better, to be a hindu or a muslim?) The other point to remember is that even kali worshipeprs do not force their faith on any one. nor do they pick any one by force to be sacrified before kali. would it not be nice if they pick bin laden and his terrorists for the sacrifice?

>>Swaminarayan is God but Krsna is not.This is your message and I have got severe problems with that.<< - Joy Swaminarayan (other names: ghanshyam, sahajanand swami, sri ji maharaj) is the supmeme god for the follower, and krishna is just a deva to them. this they belive as told by his first disciple gunatitanand, even when sahajanad him skelf has said in his shikshapatri that krishna is the supreme god and has the form. later on he also said that he is an incanation of krishna as an ideal sadhu. his abode is called akshardham which he says is different from krishnaloga or vaikuntha. the follower belive akshardham is superior than vainkuntha. sahajananda identified gunatitanand as the personified akshardham. other than shikshapatri and vachanamrita they do not have spearate scriptures. they do not read full bhagavatam, but only some part recommended by sahajanand. this all is described in the shikshapatri which is some 212 short instructions. please read it. the followers want to go to akshardham and serve swaminarayan, but not as husband or wife. like rama or krishna, swaminarayn has no female partner but male (akshardham). in their temples males and females sit separate and do not do any activity, even celebrtions, unitedly. a swaminarayn sadhu is not supposed to look at women or touch them. women would not touch a sadhu or talk to sadhus. being god, sahajanda has touched women in public sometimes. he never had sex impulse. he was fully liberated, god, right from his birth. his life is full of miracles, and all his pastimes are well recorded. at one time he even dressed like a women and played dandia rasa with her devotee women group in kutch behind closed doors, and his sadhus enjoyed secretly watching this lila through a small hole in the door. he did it so because the women devotee (very advanced) requested so. most of the swaminarayan sadhus are pure and strict in their sadhana. the only thing i do not like of them is that the followers think krishna as a deva and not supreme.

dear guest, i am really pleased you posted this article and the source page which i like very much. i wish you pick a username and share good things like this.

>>Why differentiate between religions? Hinduism, Christiniaty, Islam, Buddhism, etc. are all entirely the same.<< dear guest, pleae pick a username and respond. then we can discuss it.

>>Islam has also resorted to violent methods of conversion. << Islam always has been violent and brute. the so called prophet mohammed has his army to go out and spread islam by force. i pray that vaishanvas read Koran and Hadith and Islam history to know how barbaric and unspirtual it is. if suras do not know how asuras think and do, they cannot win over the asuras.

>>no hell, no heaven is a wrong premise, since the concluding fallacy would be (thats granting that the first two are true)---No God.<< i am pleased you love bhagavan. those who love bhagavan, also love bhaktas. when asuras kill or distrub bhaktas, then kshatriya spirit needs to be invoked if at all possible. else asuras will rule over suras. whoud any one want that?

>>you are in hell right now, we all are... and with that kind of an activity, then surely it would prolong your stay here in the material world (hell). << yes, this material world is not fun. it is compared to a prison house. however, still there is law and order required in any prision. so there is need for kshatriyas who maintain law an order in prisions. so, if these kshatriyas quit the prisons, then there will be anarchy. the brahmanas will be killed, etc. then no prisoner will know how to get out of it. when there is law an order in a prison, there is peace, and prsoners have freedom to practice dharma whothout fear and disturbance from asuras there. so, what of the following is better to do please? a) to let the world (including hinduism, vaishnavism, bharat, vedic culture, yatra dhamas, temples) go to hell (get eliminated), but get your self out of the hell quickly without caring for others' escape. b) to stay in the hell for some time to help establish some law and order and peace so that others get chance to practice dharma well and thus get out of the prision sooner. when yodhusthira reached the hell on his way, why he said to the vishnu dootas that he prefers to stay there?

dear guest, please use a user name please. it does not hurt but helps all.

jaimal singh ji, jai sri krishna! i can understand what you are writing. please use dot (.) after you write a sentence. my comments are below: >>raj karega khalsa bhole sonehal. << i do not know about bhole sonehal. >> guruji dinkarbhai is very presHES to my becouse hee pure divine you pliase recvest guru ji picture trye darshan you bee andestend my respect to baps<< i understand your respect for him. i respect all sadhus. i do krishna bhakti. >> big problem is no posebly conecting business vith devotion << i think what you are saying is that no one has interest in bhakti. >>guruji dinkar patel is totaly surender to hiss master in prabhuk maharaj<< is he following pramukh swami maharaj (yogiji maharaj)? sounds good. >> temple evry one bhagavan it is not good << bhagavan is only one, but devas are many. it would be good if each temple is of one bhagavan or a deva/devi. but temples want more people to come, and different people worship defferent devas or bhagavan. so, temple put different devas and bhagavan in temples to satisfy every one. if every understands gita correctly, then it is not a problem. otherwise people confuse by seeing different devas in temples. >>/SAT NAM- JAI RAM JI KI. BHAI JI IN SHAKSHIPATRA BHAGAVAN GIVE INSTRACTION IT IS CANOT BEE OPPOSITE , TRYTH ONE NOT TWO JAI SWAMINARAYAN sardar jaimal singh << yes, sri sahajandaji was in incarnation of krishna as an ideal sadhu. i believe so after careful study. shiksha patri is very good to follow. there it says that if any one tells you that krishnais not god or that he has no form (shape), then do not believe it. it also says that swaminarayans should respect all vaishnavas. but when they put a small krishna moorti on a side in the temples, then it is insulting to vaishnavas. they, even say krishna is smaller deva than swaminarayan. this is really sad. sri ji maharaj has not said it. gunatitanand swami changed original message. premanand swami was always singing krishna's bhajans. then he was forced to give up that and was directed to sing sri ji maharaj's bhajans only. this was not good. i believe that some day some swaminarayan person would start a separate sect after premanand worshipping krishna. jai sri sahajanand swami!

i think the sanskrit word for meteres is chhandas. metres are not limited to any sampradaya. they are vedic heritage. being from india, i can sing alomst any verse/shloka, but do not know what mettr it is. i am not a musician but i can learn to sing any chanda if i hear a couple of samples of it. so at CD with samples of nicely sung chandas could help some to learn how to sing chandas and what composition has what name.

>>I really do not think so, because Srimad-Bhagavatam specifically states that attainment of sayujya-mukti is an impure state. It is not the business of Vaishnavas to bother with mukti. << Meera loved krishna as her husband all her life. the legend is that her body merged with the krishna moorti at dwarka temple. her sari was found at the foot of the moorti, her body is not found. if i remember correctly, she never has asked krishna to give her mukti. so any one can speculate what kind of destination she got after leaving this earth. i would not argue about it. we all will find it out when we reach there. her guru, i believe, was haridas. not sure from which sampradaya he was. any krishna / vishnu devotee is a vaishnava.

>>I really do not think so, because Srimad-Bhagavatam specifically states that attainment of sayujya-mukti is an impure state. It is not the business of Vaishnavas to bother with mukti. << Meera loved krishna as her husband all her life. the legend is that her body merged with the krishna moorti at dwarka temple. her sari was found at the foot of the moorti, her body is not found. if i remember correctly, she never has asked krishna to give her mukti. so any one can speculate what kind of destination she got after leaving this earth. i would not argue about it. we all will find it out when we reach there. her guru, i believe, was haridas. not sure from which sampradaya he was. any krishna / vishnu devotee is a vaishnava.

>>Does that mean we should not discuss spiritual topics at all, since we are not "very high" ?<< no. discussion as well as practice, bith are needed.