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>>What are the differences between Sri Vaisnava and Gaudiya Vaisnava? (Some are obvious - deities etc) What are the similarities between the two? << this sublect is out of place in this thread. i could not find where 'diferences' thread/subject is. i would answer it in its right thread. Jai Sri Krishna!

>>Apparently, the temple was rebuilt time and again, mostly by Mughals. http://www.expresstravelandtourism.com/20020930/lookin3.shtml << These sources are not authentic. They are after money. They do not respect India's true history. No moghul (muslims) have built any temple for Hindus or non muslims. All they have done is destruct temple and built mosques on top. No one but the hindus (kings) have built hindu (vedic) temples in india or elsewhere. Jai Sri Krishna!

Washington Post December 31, 2002 Pg. 1 15 Freighters Believed To Be Linked To Al Qaeda U.S. Fears Terrorists at Sea; Tracking Ships Is Difficult By John Mintz, Washington Post Staff Writer U.S. intelligence officials have identified approximately 15 cargo freighters around the world that they believe are controlled by al Qaeda or could be used by the terrorist network to ferry operatives, bombs, money or commodities over the high seas, government officials said. American spy agencies track some of the suspicious ships by satellites or surveillance planes and with the help of allied navies or informants in overseas ports. But they have occasionally lost track of the vessels, which are continuously given new fictitious names, repainted or re-registered using invented corporate owners, all while plying the oceans. As they scramble to keep tabs on the largely unregulated and secretive global maritime industry, U.S. officials have no end of worries about how nautical terrorists could attack U.S. or allied ports or vessels, officials said. They cite such scenarios as al Qaeda dispatching an explosives-packed speedboat to blow a hole in the hull of a luxury cruise ship sailing the Caribbean Sea or having terrorists posing as crewmen commandeer a freighter carrying dangerous chemicals and slam it into a harbor. Concerned about the vulnerabilities of American shipping since Sept. 11, 2001, U.S. officials have started paying more attention than ever to what cargo is loaded onto ships entering U.S. waters, and to who serves on crews, as well as to stowaways and individuals who appear to be surveying U.S. ports. In addition, U.S. intelligence agencies have set up large databases to track cargo, ships and seamen in a search for "anomalies" that could indicate terrorists on approaching ships, said Frances Fragos-Townsend, chief of Coast Guard intelligence. "If all you do is wait for ships to come to you, you're not doing your job," she said. "The idea is to push the borders out." Osama bin Laden, al Qaeda's leader, and his aides have owned ships for years, some of which transported such commodities as cement and sesame seeds. But one vessel delivered the explosives that al Qaeda operatives used to bomb two U.S. embassies in Africa in 1998, U.S. officials said. Since September 2001, the U.S.-maintained list of al Qaeda mystery ships has varied from a low of a dozen to a high of 50. Some are ships up to 400 feet long that do not need to refuel on extended journeys, and therefore are less likely to draw scrutiny. U.S. officials do not know precisely how each of these "ships of concern" is being used, except that some are generating profits for al Qaeda. Any of them could be used in an attack anywhere in the world, officials fear. As Western societies have "hardened" their facilities on land against terrorist attack, al Qaeda has escalated its attempts to launch assaults at sea because it believes waterborne targets are easier, terrorism experts said. Starting with the suicide bombing of the USS Cole off Yemen in 2000 by al Qaeda men in an inflatable dinghy, a strike that killed 17 sailors, U.S. officials have discerned a steady increase in nautical attacks, some of which were aborted by the planners or uncovered by authorities at the last moment. The latest attack came in October, when the hull of the French oil tanker Limburg was blasted by a speedboat off Yemen, causing a widespread oil spill. Cruise ships are another worry. The concern is not so much that al Qaeda would hijack hundreds or thousands of passengers while making political demands, as Palestinian terrorists did with airliners in the 1970s, and the Italian Achille Lauro cruise ship off Egypt in 1985. The most feared scenario is that terrorists in speedboats or a cargo vessel would pull up alongside a cruise ship and blow a hole in it. But cruise industry executives point out that their vessels can outpace most ships in the water, and that they are designed to be so secure and ride so high above the waves that a sea-level blast is unlikely to sink any cruise ship -- and in any case would explode far from passengers. Security at cruise ship terminals is as tight as it is at any airport, industry sources said. For decades, U.S. intelligence focused on foreign shipping only sporadically. Soviet vessels were the main target for years, and later U.S. officials traced ships concealing cocaine and Chinese missiles. But after Sept. 11, U.S. officials realized the danger of terrorists attacking from the sea, and rushed to gain expertise about the world's commercial shipping industry. Now Navy and Coast Guard intelligence have the unenviable job of sorting through the corporate papers of the world's 120,000 merchant ships, many of which hide their ownership under layers of corporate subterfuge -- a centuries-old practice in a trade that thrives on lax regulation and independence from governments. U.S. intelligence officers also must collate the names and mariner's license numbers of tens of thousands of seamen from around the world, a sizable percentage of whom carry fake documents and use pseudonyms because of criminal pasts. "This industry is a shadowy underworld," said a senior U.S. government official knowledgeable about the effort. "After 9/11, we suddenly learned how little we understood about commercial shipping. You can't swing a dead cat in the shipping business without hitting somebody with phony papers." But U.S. government officials said they have made up for lost time in the past 15 months. Working out of its headquarters in Suitland, Navy intelligence has struck data-sharing agreements with dozens of allied navies, and enlisted tipsters among port managers across the globe, as well as shipping agents, crew manning supervisors and seafarers unions. Within weeks after Sept. 11, the Coast Guard established new rules for medium- and large-size ships. Ninety-six hours before reaching a U.S. port, they now must provide data about their cargo, the names and passport numbers of the crew, the ship's corporate details and recent port calls. This information is fed into computers at a new intelligence facility in West Virginia, and merged with other data, such as satellite photos of ships or ports. Oddities in the data stoke officials' suspicions -- a fishing vessel reporting it caught fish not found in waters it has visited, for example, or a port visit that is unlikely given its cargo. Ships that cause concern may be boarded at sea, or police may be asked to tail a crewman when he disembarks. Sometimes the evidence is misleading. In September, Coast Guard officers spent a day searching a 700-container ship in New Jersey because it had taken on cargo at two ports deemed a concern -- in Pakistan and Iran -- and because officers' radiation-detectors buzzed when they boarded. But the radiation came from ceramic tiles, not a nuclear weapon. At times the Coast Guard has underreacted. In October, a 50-foot wooden freighter, undetected by the Coast Guard, ran aground near downtown Miami and its 220 undocumented Haitian passengers clambered ashore. Some U.S officials expressed concern that al Qaeda fighters could infiltrate the country via the same route. "If the Coast Guard can't stop 200 people on a freighter from coming into the port of Miami, how can they stop a terrorist with a dirty bomb?" asked Bruce Stubbs, a former Coast Guard captain and now a security consultant. Dozens of Navy and allied ships are scouring the Arabian Sea in search of al Qaeda ships and fighters, in one of the largest naval seahunts since World War II. Members have boarded and searched hundreds of ships, and issued hundreds more "challenges" by radio asking for information. In that part of the world, U.S. naval officers suspect they are as likely to find terrorists aboard a 300-foot freighter as they are aboard a dhow, the small sailing vessel common along the coasts of the Indian Ocean. U.S. officials believe traders sailing small craft have been bribed for months to help al Qaeda fighters escape from Pakistan to Yemen and other countries. U.S. efforts to track al Qaeda's activities at sea received a boost last month with the capture of Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, an alleged mastermind of al Qaeda's nautical strategy who officials say is now cooperating with U.S. interrogators. U.S. officials say they are on alert for signs that al Qaeda would use exotic craft to launch underwater attacks -- small submarines and "human torpedoes," underwater motor-propelled sleds that divers use. Sri Lanka's Tamil Tiger terrorist movement has been developing such equipment for years, said Tanner Campbell, vice president of private Marine Intelligence Group, which consults for shipping interests. Captured al Qaeda operative Omar al-Faruq has told interrogators that he planned scuba attacks on U.S. warships in Indonesia, Campbell said. Apparently as a result of his confessions, U.S. officials recently visited hundreds of scuba shops nationwide asking about suspicious visitors. The alarming scenario of al Qaeda operatives infiltrating freighter crews and seizing the cargo ships -- which range in size from 100 feet in length to more than 1,000 -- has led Navy and Coast Guard intelligence analysts to pore over the student lists of hundreds of seaman's academies worldwide. Diplomas from these schools are needed for work on most ships, and trade in fake certificates is brisk in many port cities. Another new preoccupation for U.S. intelligence is the thousands of merchant ships worldwide that are registered in "flag of convenience" nations, some of which ask for almost no information from shipping firms that "flag" their vessels with them. Belize allows companies to register vessels online, for example, and countries such as Comoros, and St. Vincent and the Grenadines -- and even landlocked Bolivia -- barely keep track of their ships, U.S. officials said. Flag-of-convenience vessels are notorious for catching fire and running aground, and their operators frequently abandon crews in foreign ports without pay. Scores of these ships have been found illegally running guns and drugs. Navy officials say al Qaeda has used one shipping fleet flagged in the Pacific island of Tonga to transport operatives around the Mediterranean Sea. The firm -- which is called Nova and is incorporated in Delaware and Romania -- has for years engaged in smuggling illegal immigrants, U.S. and Greek officials said. Its ships also frequently change names and countries of registry, officials said. Last February, eight Pakistani men jumped ship off one of its freighters, the Twillinger, at the Italian port of Trieste after a trip from Cairo. U.S. officials say they determined that the men -- who lied about being crewmen and carried false documents and large sums of money -- had been sent by al Qaeda. With the help of Romanian intelligence, U.S. officials began an investigation of the firm and a search for its vessels, according to accounts by the Romanian newspaper Ziua that European officials confirmed. In August, the captain of another of Nova's freighters, the recently renamed Sara, radioed to maritime authorities in Italy that 15 Pakistani men whom the ship's owner had forced him to take aboard in Casablanca, Morocco, were menacing his crew. Although the 15 claimed they were crewmen when questioned by U.S. and Italian naval officers, the captain said they knew nothing about seafaring. U.S. officials say they found tens of thousands of dollars, false documents, maps of Italian cities and evidence tying them to al Qaeda members in Europe, and concluded that they, too, were possibly on a terrorist mission. The 15 were charged in Italy with conspiracy to engage in terrorist acts. In October, European navies set up a dragnet for another Nova freighter, the oft-renamed Cristi, which Navy sailors eventually located and boarded in Greek waters. Nothing amiss was found on board, U.S. officials said. Greek merchant marine minister George Anomeritis told reporters then that besides the Cristi, NATO also has been looking for 24 other ships suspected of terrorist ties. "These companies and strange ships change flags," he said. "With all those peculiar names, they create much confusion." Staff writer Douglas Farah contributed to this report.

the devotees are under krishna's protection more or less depending upon their progresive stage. Jai Sri Krishna!

may avoid lemon for a few days. Jai Sri Krishna!

what language is this: "Hauoli makahiki hou!" just curoius. Jai Sri krishna!

Dear Babhru das, i like the name babhru. i think originally the name is babru (babruvAhana). He was a mighty warrior. He is known as veer babruvAhana. Some devotees like sankirtana as chaitanya preached. However, it is not a right weapon against the external asuras/demons, it is only good to keep the sankirtan doers free from kali or maya. The asuras cannot become sympatheic or friendly to sankirtan doers just because they do sankirtana. This kafir activity invokes hate and anger in them. Therefore krishna's (not chaitanyas) message is of priority at this time. (O arjuna,) yuddhAya krita nischaha.. To those who understand my point, i beg them to convince it to others also. remember, any society needs more kshatriyas than brahmanas (the spiritual guides). leaders alwasy are few and followers more (who lead themselves staying within the higher direction). The other point is, no one really is pure brahmana or pure kshatriya or pure vaishya or pure shudra. it is not possible. One alwasy has one guna more predominant than others most of the times. parasurama was a brahmana, but invoked his kshatriya spirit when he saw the need for it. same for kautilya (maha muni chanakya). the same is true for any one. sikh religion basically says, "do farming, but keep weapon." sikhs are vaishnays mostly, but invoke kshatriya spirity any time and do violence agains the asuras if necessary. we hindus (HK's included) already have this in dharma. ------ No..i am not high enought to bless. i pray for your progress in bhakti, that you become an uttama adhikari/goswami. Jai Sri Krishna!

Dear Babhru das, i like the name babhru. i think originally the name is babru (babruvAhana). He was a mighty warrior. He is known as veer babruvAhana. Some devotees like sankirtana as chaitanya preached. However, it is not a right weapon against the external asuras/demons, it is only good to keep the sankirtan doers free from kali or maya. The asuras cannot become sympatheic or friendly to sankirtan doers just because they do sankirtana. This kafir activity invokes hate and anger in them. Therefore krishna's (not chaitanyas) message is of priority at this time. (O arjuna,) yuddhAya krita nischaha.. To those who understand my point, i beg them to convince it to others also. remember, any society needs more kshatriyas than brahmanas (the spiritual guides). leaders alwasy are few and followers more (who lead themselves staying within the higher direction). The other point is, no one really is pure brahmana or pure kshatriya or pure vaishya or pure shudra. it is not possible. One alwasy has one guna more predominant than others most of the times. parasurama was a brahmana, but invoked his kshatriya spirit when he saw the need for it. same for kautilya (maha muni chanakya). the same is true for any one. sikh religion basically says, "do farming, but keep weapon." sikhs are vaishnays mostly, but invoke kshatriya spirity any time and do violence agains the asuras if necessary. we hindus (HK's included) already have this in dharma. ------ No..i am not high enought to bless. i pray for your progress in bhakti, that you become an uttama adhikari/goswami. Jai Sri Krishna!

Here are some meanings. Corrections welcome. Jai Sri Krishna! -------------------- bhakthavatsala - one who loved devotes bhagavatha priya - wone hwom bhaktas love nithya nirmala - one who is pure/clean always neelamega shyama - one who is bluish blakish gokula nandana - one who is gokuls boy purana purusha - one who is purush (god) with full opunence pundareekaksha - nanda nandana - one who is beloved sonof nanda navaneeda chora - one who steels our hearts pashupalka - one who maintains living beings pahi murare - dushta samhara - one who destroys demons/wickids duritha nivarana - shishta paripalaka - kashta nivaraka - one who removeds pain/unhappiness/distress vajra makuta dara - one who is the crown of varja varaha murthe - one who is varaha avatar gopi jana lola - wone after who the gopis are crazy govardhano dhara - one who lifted govradhan mountain dasharatha nandana - one who is son of king dasharath dashamukha mardhana - one who killed teh headed (ravana) pakshi vahana - one whose vehicle is bird (garuda) pandava priya - one who is loved by pandavas mathsya kurma - one who incarnated as fish and turtle avatar. madhu soodhana Hari - varaha nrsimha - one who incarnated as varaha and nrshinha vama pragurama - balaramanuja - bauda kalki - venu gana priya - one who is loved by fluter players venkataramana - seetha nayaka - husband of seeta srutha paripalaka - daridra jana poshaka - one who nourished poor d(h)arma samsthapaka - one who reestablishes dharma anadha rakshaka - apath pandava - daranhe nayaka - one who holds the earth (planets) inposition dinakara deja - one who shines(?) sun padmavati priya - one who is loved by padmavati (lakshmi?) prasanna murthe - one who alwas is in bliss abhaya hastha - one is fearless (removes fear) akshaya varada - shanka chakra dhara - one who holds conchshell and chakra saranga gadA dara - one who holds spear and mace viraja theertha - one who is vraja pilgrimage place virodhi mardhana - onw who subdues opposers salagrama hara - one who is siva in shaligram stone (it could also mean one who stole shaligram) sahasranama - one who has 1000 names lakshmi vallabha - one who is lakshi's husband lakshmanagraja - oneeho is brother of lakshmana kasturi thilaka - one who has tilak made of musk kanchanam barapara - Garuda vahana - one who rides on garuda (eagle) gaja raja rakshaka - one (Hari) who saved elephant king from the crocodile vanara sevitha - one (rama) whom the monkeys served varithi bandhana - one who keeps keeps oceans bound edukuntala vada - Ekathva roopa - one who has pervaed in all forms ramakrishna - who is rama and krishna ragukula nanda - one who is born in raghu dynasty prathyaksha deva - one who is manifest god parama dayakara - one who is supremely merciful/compassionate vajramakuta d(h)ara - one who is corwn king of vraja vaijayanthi mala - one who wears garland of victory vatti kasula vada - vasudeva sutha - one who is son of vasudev (not vaasudev) bilvapathrArchitha - one who is worshipepd by bilva leaves (shiva) bikshuka samsthutha - one who incarnated as a begger(vaman) (?) sthri pum roopa - sivakesava murthi - one who is siva and keahava (krishna) brahmanda roopa - one who is the universe form baktha tharaka - one who delivers bhaktas nithya kalyana - one who alwas is spiritaually beneficial neeraja nabha - hathi rama priya - Hari sarvothama - one who is supreme god janardhana murthi - jagath sakshi roopa - one who is vitness of everything (knows everything) abhisheka priya - one who likes to accept holy bath abhannirasada - nithya shubhatha - one who alwasy is beautiful nikila lokesha - ananda roopa - one who is in bliss always athyantha rahitha - (aadyantha rahitha = one who has no beginning or end i.e who is eternal) ihapara dayaka - one who take us acorss the ocean of this worldy life. (v)iparaja rakshaka - one who protects brahmans padma dalaksha - one whos eyes are like lotus petals padmanaba - thirumala nivasa - tulasi vanamala - one who wears tulasi garland shesha sayi - one who sleeps on shesha serpant seshadri nilaya -

it is not my expertize. it is vedic, very ancient. does it impress you, or twin towers impress you more? just curious. Jai Sri Krishna!

My dear Guest prabhu, I beg that please assume a user name and help spread the truth. Doing so here does not give out any information about you that you do not wish to give out, i believe. I really wish we have more people in India like your self. pranam! Jai Sri Krishna!

In response to Gaurachandra's lines: >>It is true that Hinduism teaches to respect various paths, but thats if it is practiced perfectly. << All religious groups have people who malprctice it more or less. The need is to critically study each religion and tell boldy which religion is better than other. Religion is not defined/set by those who malpractice it. Just because some one malpractices religion A, that does not give right for religionist B to wipe out A religion. The right thing for B to do is accept A religion and practice if correctly and lead the malpracticeners to practice it correctly. >>In the end, we all have our biases, and often economics are at the heart of these tensions. Many see these Christians with their millions of dollars as infringing upon the native culture, and causing social disruption. << When a poor and ignorant shudra is converted to xianity, does he suddenly become capable to command respect and social and economical status the next day on after? This is not possible. He actually becomes a pown of the missionaries and enemy of hinduism. On the other hand, suppose some one mistreates a sudra who became a xian today. Does that motivate the one who mistreated him to give up mistreatment practice? Will he say, "oh, i had this person for mistreatment, but now that he became a xian, i wll not mistreat him, becaue now he is a very respectable man?" If xianity is so nice, then why the missionaries do not come here openly and try to convert any of us devotees and see if they can do it? They do not have intellectual and spiritual strenght to convert a hindu (HK's included) who knows what hinduism is and practices it well. >>Now, at times the social atmosphere they are disrupting is corrupt, as when untouchables are given 5th class status.<< This untouchability is going away now. Besides, India had and will have many saints from shudra class. When one, any one, acquires certain qualification, and exhibits some gunas and karma, then he will get respect and oppertunity accordingly. This is the law of karma, no hindu can change it. Those who malprctice a dharma will suffer. The need is for efforts to get them (malpracticeners) straight with love. Why not the missionares do that? We should not expect them that, but the Hindu dharma gurus (HK's included) must do it. >> You can't really fault such people for converting to Christianity. << Any one has freedom to do anything, you cannot say anything to any one. But what about the social disturbance the conversion causes? How many of the conevrted are happy after convertsion? Has any one seen it? >>In any event, there is not much one can do on either side. << There is. Every village (or neighborhood) should have a small temple with 2-3 HK or Hindu devotees/pujaris who know hinduism well and practice well. They should hold regular dharma programs at the temple. They should lead the people understand what hinduism is and how to practice it. Then when a missionary comes to entice a villager, the villager shoudl tell this to the missionary: "Dear holy man, i am a hindu and happy being so. However, i have my guru at our temple. Now, if you could convert him to xianity, the i and my whole family will follow him/her and become xians. So, kindly go convert him first before wasting time in going around to any one else." Now if the missionary goes to this poojari/guru, we know what they will get. Alternatively, any missionalry is welcome here (i suppsoe) and try converting this humble self or some swamis and prabhusa here. If they fail, then they should not ever think of coneverting a Hindus. When there is a problem, there is a solution. Jai Sri Krishna!

New York Times December 29, 2002 Pg. 4 Russia Links Arab Militants To Bombing In Chechnya By Michael Wines MOSCOW, Dec. 28 — Russia blamed Islamic terrorists, including Arabs, today for a pair of explosions that devastated a government center in Chechnya on Friday, as investigators tried to figure out how three suicide bombers drove unmolested through a thicket of checkpoints set up to shield the complex from just such attacks. Tonight, Chechnya's new prime minister, Mikhail Babich, said workers had recovered 52 bodies from the ruins of the government complex. The Russian Emergencies Ministry said, however, that that the true toll was closer to 57, because families of some of the victims were believed to have taken away remains. The suicide bombers, in a heavy truck and a car, blew up a four-story government center and an adjacent canteen that housed the top leaders and staff of the pro-Russian regional government there. Several officials were seriously wounded, but Chechnya's prime minister and the head of the civil administration were not in the building and were unharmed. A dragnet set up by Russian and Chechen police and military forces failed today to lead to any arrests. A Russian-language Web site often used to promote Islamic guerrilla activities in Chechnya, www.kavkazcenter.net, stated that an unnamed guerrilla commander had called to claim responsibility for the bombing. "The building of the occupying administration was blown up as a result of an attack by the Chechen shahids," or martyrs, the site said. A Russian counterterrorism official in the Caucasus region, which includes Chechnya, said the attack was the work of Islamic militants led by a prominent Chechen warlord, Shamil Basayev, and an Arab, Abu al-Walid. The counterterrorism official, Col. Ilya Shabalkin, said Russian investigators had learned shortly before the bombings that the two men had met in the Chechen village of Stariye Atagi, 15 milies south of Grozny, to plan a series of attacks on Grozny and other Chechen towns. On Thursday, Russian special operations troops in Stariye Atagi killed a different Arab militant, whom Colonel Shabalkin described as a coordinator of the planned attacks. "But we failed to prevent the terrorist act," he said. He described Mr. Walid as an official of the Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamic militant group frequently described as a financier of the Chechen separatist movement. Colonel Shabalkin described the group in an interview last week as a rival to the official commander of the Chechen militants, Aslan Maskhadov, a former president of Chechnya. Mr. Maskhadov, who is in hiding, has been accused by some Russian officials of plotting the bombings, but he renounced them in a message issued today. Russia has frequently charged that the Chechen separatist movement is controlled by foreign militants. There was no way to verify Colonel Shabalkin's accusation. As investigators began reconstructing the events that led to the disaster today, it became clear that the bombers and their accomplices had meticulously planned the attack. Officials said preliminary checks indicated that the heavy truck and a second jeeplike vehicle used to carry more than a ton of explosives into the government compound had military license plates. Their drivers, dressed in army camouflage, carried what appeared to be official passes. The two vehicles were said to have passed freely through three military checkpoints on a major highway in Grozny, then negotiated a military guardpost on the road to the government complex without problems. Only on the final turn toward the complex did guards at a last checkpoint try to inspect the vehicles. The drivers accelerated and broke through the checkpoint as guards fired on them, then they detonated their bombs in a courtyard directly in front of the main government building, investigators said.

Washington Times December 31, 2002 Pg. 1 Pyongyang A Master Of 'The Game' By Marc Lerner, The Washington Times It's a tiny nation that can't feed its people. Most of its factories sit idle, lacking energy and raw materials. Its few export dollars come from arms sales, mostly to rogue nations. But when North Korea sits down at the negotiating table, it usually walks away with a bounty worthy of a superpower. That reputation, analysts say, helps explain the Bush administration's reaction — communication, but no direct talks — after North Korea expelled international inspectors and restarted a nuclear program to make the fuel used in atomic bombs. "The words crazy, irrational, erratic and bizarre are too often used to describe North Korea's negotiating behavior," said Chuck Downs, author of "Over the Line: North Korea's Negotiating Strategy." In fact, Mr. Downs says, the North Korean strategy is "generally effective, cleverly devised, skillfully implemented." The United States believes North Korea has culled enough plutonium from a mothballed five-megawatt, Soviet-made research reactor to build two nuclear bombs. About 8,000 fuel rods, put in storage under the 1994 "Agreed Framework" deal that was to have halted North Korea's nuclear program, contain enough material for an additional five bombs. Secretary of State Colin L. Powell made clear over the weekend that the United States is not interested in buying North Korea's cooperation. "They want us to give them something for them to stop their bad behavior," Mr. Powell said. "What we can't do is enter into a negotiation right away where we are appeasing them." Opponents of the 1994 deal, which made communist North Korea the largest U.S. aid recipient in Asia, denounced it as an act of appeasement by the Clinton administration, which they accused of caving in to nuclear blackmail. The deal promised North Korea oil and two new reactors if it shut down its existing program — a package worth more than $5 billion. Those who expected that U.S. largesse would lead to a more cooperative North Korea were disappointed. Over the next few years, Pyongyang threw its energy into the production and export of ballistic missiles. Iran's Shahab missile, which can target U.S. forces in the Middle East, was based on technology purchased from the North Koreans. And North Korean expertise was behind Pakistan's successful Ghauri missile launch in April 1998. That launch was followed a month later by India's test of a nuclear bomb. Pakistan, in turn, detonated its own bomb, unleashing a nuclear-arms race on the subcontinent. This month, North Korea delivered Scud missiles to Yemen. Although the 1994 deal did not put restrictions on North Korea's missile program, it was hoped that it would at least curtail nuclear activity. But by 1998, spy-satellite photos showed ground being broken for what appeared to be a clandestine nuclear-weapons plant on a North Korean mountainside at Kumchang-ri. When the United States threatened to cut off foreign aid unless the complex at Kumchang-ri was inspected by outsiders, Pyongyang demanded money. "If the United States wants to inspect the site, it should make compensation," a North Korean official said, suggesting $300 million. After months of negotiations, Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright announced in March 1999 that U.S. inspectors would be allowed at Kumchang-ri. "We did not agree to demands for compensation," she said. In fact, days before her announcement, Washington quietly arranged to have 500,000 tons of grain, valued at more than $200 million, delivered to North Korea through an intermediary. U.S. inspectors later found the Kumchang-ri complex, a cave dug into a mountain, empty. Critics denounced the food-for-access deal as yet another act of appeasement in response to a crisis manufactured by North Korea solely to extract concessions from Washington. "The Kumchang-ri deal validated extortionist techniques," says Nicholas Eberstadt, an analyst at the American Enterprise Institute and the author of "The End of North Korea." Robert Gallucci, who negotiated the 1994 agreement for the Clinton administration, maintains that it was a good deal, one that kept the North Korean nuclear program in check. He cautions against ruling out direct talks with Pyongyang. "An ideological disdain for negotiating with our adversaries seldom serves our interests, and in this case could be highly dangerous," Mr. Gallucci, now with Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service, said in a recent column. Mr. Downs — who has studied Pyongyang's negotiating strategy — describes a pattern in which North Korea appears willing to moderate its policies, uses talks to demand concessions and aid, then halts negotiations when it has gained maximum advantage.

London Times December 31, 2002 Militants Turning To 'Soft Targets' By Richard Beeston, Diplomatic Editor AMERICAN aid workers and missionaries in remote parts of the world are increasingly finding themselves on the front line of the War on Terror as "soft targets" for militant Islamic groups seeking to hurt the US. Yesterday’s murder of three American doctors in Yemen was the latest in a series of attacks by organisations opposed to America’s presence in the Islamic world. In the past Muslim radicals tended to focus on US diplomatic missions and military bases. But security improvements over the past decade have made them harder to hit and attacks are now more frequently aimed at softer targets such as aid workers or journalists. Christian missionaries, despite being usually involved in humanitarian work, have been particularly vulnerable. Last month Bonnie Penner, an American missionary nurse working with Palestinian refugees in the Lebanese port city of Sidon, was shot and killed by a gunman as she arrived for work. In June Martin Burnham, a missionary working in the Philippines, was killed during a rescue attempt launched by the military against the Abu Sayyaf group, which had abducted him. In October Larry Foley, the head of the US Agency for International Development (USAID) in Jordan, was killed by gunmen outside his home in Amman. In January this year Daniel Pearl, a journalist for The Wall Street Journal, was kidnapped and killed by Islamic militants in Pakistan. The US State Department has stepped up its warnings to American citizens about the dangers of living and working in countries with active militant groups. Some non-essential staff and dependants have gone home, but tens of thousands of Americans continue to work in the region and will remain possible targets for future attacks.

i am pleased to see this picture after along time. suggest you change the thread title to: dwarka temple picture, archeology. Jai Sri Krishna!

he was an advanced sadhu. he was not a bit unhappy about covering his body. such thing is good for sadhu as well as women and of course good for the sampradaya. Jai Sri Krishna!

>>What else can I want from life? << -atma paramatma :-) Jai Sri Krishna!

>>we admited that at some period in his life BVT ate meat? Would that cancel out all his beautiful writings? Damage our faith in what he revealed? << - theist i do not know if he did or did not, but as far as i kow, it does not cancell out all his works. Those who clime, sometime could fall once in a while. krishna firgives. their good karma out weigh/ Jai Sri Krishna!

sarve shkhunah bhavantu! Jai Sri Krishna!

Dear stonehearted das, although we are kind of debating, we are mosty in sync. some diference in thoughts may remain. so talking helps. >>stone: My real gripe was with calling me "stoneheaded." Yes, I'm a lunkhead, but I don't like that being pointed out publicly by others, especially those who don't even know who I am, much less know me personally. The remark about the lower-case s was facetious.<< oh, i am really sorry for that mistake. please forgive me for such unintended mistake. from now i would jsut address you as stone if that is ok with you. it is not in my psyche to use any bad words, even in my mind, even mild, to any one, no matter how many and strong bad words one showers upon me. >>As far as the substance of your post, I think all these problems are symptoms of Kali's influence, nothing more, nothing less.<< Yes, but some do not do anything about it. that is real sad. some do. what they do is stop kali influence upon them selves which is lot easier than stopping kali influence on others/demons. The need is to stop influence on the asuras/ rakshasas. Only those who are more or less free from kali can do it better. Therefore I look forward to HK's for this difficult mission in the interest of sanatana dharma. >> I fully believe Srila Prabhupada's assertion that "if there is an arrangement for the constant chanting of the holy names, qualities, etc., of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, there is no chance at all for the personality of Kali to enter.<< Yes, kali will not enter in the chanter while chanting. But it will not stop kali from entering the non chanters. >> That is the technique of driving away the personality of Kali from the world." << Yes, but the priorpty is to make the asuras/terrorists chant faithfully. If we waste time on the non-violent Hindus who already worship krishna, then these asuras will do their job under the full strong influence of Kali and Koran. Consequently, we will not have bodies to chant or dance. >>It's your prerogative to consider that a "childish" view; << i have the view that i gave above. i worry-not how any one categorizes it. karmanye va dhi karaste... >>my 33 years of endeavor in advancing in Krishna consciousness give me a different perspective. I don't have any evidence that anyone has actually tried the sankirtan solution. << yes, and no. you and some others did try, and it would not be incorrect to say you are free from kali, but who are the important people we need to influence to accept sankirtana method? did we list them, did we target them, did we make strong effort convince them? who else other than us could convince them? what is best method to get their attention and interest and dedication/commitment? >>I agree that we should increase our preaching efforts in Muslim countries by tenfold. Those who have that degree of faith will go for it. Because their efforts will necessarily be undercover, the rest of us will hear of them only occasionally. I remember hearing that Srila Prabhupada said he would take the dust from the feet of those who preach in Muslim countries on his head.<< Wonderful! There is the priority. >>Those of you who have faith in material arrangements for stopping Kali's work will certainly go ahead and pursue them. You don't need my permission. Kick ass and have a blast. << Yes, a gunatita like your self will have a brahmana's view point/world view. However, like your self, they also need not forget that kshatriya work is important and is needed. Therefore, HK's should also educate/train kshatriyas also. And any society need a lot more kshatriyas than gunatitis. >>The transcendental devotees of the Lord are not only free from material envy, but are well-wishers to everyone, and they strive to establish a competitionless society with God in the center. << yes, and they (should) encourage kshatriyas to play their part as needed. they also keep them on like with dharma. Finally, there are many non violent ways to fight terrorism. why not fight non violently first? Jai Sri Krishna!

Dear stonehearted das, although we are kind of debating, we are mosty in sync. some diference in thoughts may remain. so talking helps. >>stone: My real gripe was with calling me "stoneheaded." Yes, I'm a lunkhead, but I don't like that being pointed out publicly by others, especially those who don't even know who I am, much less know me personally. The remark about the lower-case s was facetious.<< oh, i am really sorry for that mistake. please forgive me for such unintended mistake. from now i would jsut address you as stone if that is ok with you. it is not in my psyche to use any bad words, even in my mind, even mild, to any one, no matter how many and strong bad words one showers upon me. >>As far as the substance of your post, I think all these problems are symptoms of Kali's influence, nothing more, nothing less.<< Yes, but some do not do anything about it. that is real sad. some do. what they do is stop kali influence upon them selves which is lot easier than stopping kali influence on others/demons. The need is to stop influence on the asuras/ rakshasas. Only those who are more or less free from kali can do it better. Therefore I look forward to HK's for this difficult mission in the interest of sanatana dharma. >> I fully believe Srila Prabhupada's assertion that "if there is an arrangement for the constant chanting of the holy names, qualities, etc., of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, there is no chance at all for the personality of Kali to enter.<< Yes, kali will not enter in the chanter while chanting. But it will not stop kali from entering the non chanters. >> That is the technique of driving away the personality of Kali from the world." << Yes, but the priorpty is to make the asuras/terrorists chant faithfully. If we waste time on the non-violent Hindus who already worship krishna, then these asuras will do their job under the full strong influence of Kali and Koran. Consequently, we will not have bodies to chant or dance. >>It's your prerogative to consider that a "childish" view; << i have the view that i gave above. i worry-not how any one categorizes it. karmanye va dhi karaste... >>my 33 years of endeavor in advancing in Krishna consciousness give me a different perspective. I don't have any evidence that anyone has actually tried the sankirtan solution. << yes, and no. you and some others did try, and it would not be incorrect to say you are free from kali, but who are the important people we need to influence to accept sankirtana method? did we list them, did we target them, did we make strong effort convince them? who else other than us could convince them? what is best method to get their attention and interest and dedication/commitment? >>I agree that we should increase our preaching efforts in Muslim countries by tenfold. Those who have that degree of faith will go for it. Because their efforts will necessarily be undercover, the rest of us will hear of them only occasionally. I remember hearing that Srila Prabhupada said he would take the dust from the feet of those who preach in Muslim countries on his head.<< Wonderful! There is the priority. >>Those of you who have faith in material arrangements for stopping Kali's work will certainly go ahead and pursue them. You don't need my permission. Kick ass and have a blast. << Yes, a gunatita like your self will have a brahmana's view point/world view. However, like your self, they also need not forget that kshatriya work is important and is needed. Therefore, HK's should also educate/train kshatriyas also. And any society need a lot more kshatriyas than gunatitis. >>The transcendental devotees of the Lord are not only free from material envy, but are well-wishers to everyone, and they strive to establish a competitionless society with God in the center. << yes, and they (should) encourage kshatriyas to play their part as needed. they also keep them on like with dharma. Finally, there are many non violent ways to fight terrorism. why not fight non violently first? Jai Sri Krishna!

Here is how i think it is: Christians' motive per Bible is to convert the whole world into Christianity. They know only one way, and to them all other ways are devil's works. Hinduism is a big challenge for any one. So, his ideology makes him very intolerant towards any non christian. Almost every church in US has a map of India to show how their money is working to convert the Hindus. Every year the Pope wants to harvest thousands of Hindu souls by converting them. The Hindus are very tolerant. They never have invaded another country, nor they will. They have no interest to convert any one. Not knowing Islam's and Christianity's aggressive nature, they allowed them to live in Bharat. This gave and still gives a great oppertunity/ free pass for these two idologies to live in Bharat and kill Hinduism in any possible way they can. Christiasn have wiped out Incas and other cultures totally. Islamists did many Hindu genocide for 1000 years ans still could not kill HInduism. There is some lesson for them and the world to lern here. While the Islamists are brute and violent in their methods, the Christians now use politics and a lot of money to convert the Hindus. The Hindus they pick are usually poor and do not know well the importance of Hinduism. The conversion causes social disturbance in India. Not only that, conversion is an invasion of a foreign culture in the land of the Hindus, and it is very aggresive invasion tha is killing HInduism. For last 1200 years the Hindus have suffered this badly. They do not want to suffer it any more. They know the value of Hinduism and they want to keep Bharat for Hindus and not for any aggresive religion or ideology that cannot respect Hinduism in Bharat. This sudden change/awakening in Hindu mood has given birth to Hindu nationalism or Hindutva movement. Gandhi's acts gave the very wrong message to the world that the Hindus are non violent no matter what you do to them. Now the world will see real Hinduism where voilence has its proper place. Despite this reactionary violent behavior of the Hindus, they have no interest to bother any one out side their own country. But they will not tolerate any nonsense from the roughs like Paksitan at the borders. Technically, Hindus consider HK's as Hindus. (Hindus are not racists.) But if HK's do not appreciate and understand them (which they do not, so far, due to some things Prahupada said,) some Hinus may turn agaisnt HK's also, but not like the way they turn against Islamists and Christian Missionaries. Krishna is Hindu god, so Krishna devotees are respected no matter what some mis-understanding they may have. Also, some Hindus fail to understnad that the Hindus can unite very well by following Krishna (Gita), in a way HK's do. The unity they need very much. Hope it helps. Jai Sri Krishna!

London Times December 20, 2002 Pakistani Scientist 'Offered Saddam Nuclear Designs' By James Bone A Pakistani scientist approached Iraq soon after the 1990 invasion of Kuwait to offer nuclear weapon designs and help in procuring bomb components, according to a document found by United Nations weapons inspectors. The revelation, which provoked an inconclusive inquiry by inspectors, has raised new concerns about Pakistan’s role in the proliferation of nuclear technology. It follows allegations that Pakistan helped North Korea to develop a nuclear bomb and that Pakistani nuclear scientists met Osama bin Laden and the Taleban leader, Mullah Muhammad Omar, in Afghanistan. The offer by the Pakistani scientist, found in Iraqi archives, was made in October 1990 as a US-led coalition prepared to repel the August invasion of Kuwait. Iraq had already embarked on a crash programme to develop a nuclear bomb, but told the UN it had not pursued the scientist’s offer — a claim UN investigators are inclined to believe. The document revealing the contact between the scientist and Iraq is referred to twice in the Iraqi declaration of its nuclear capability, which The Times has obtained. The file first came to the attention of UN weapons inspectors after the 1995 defection of President Saddam Hussein’s son-in-law, General Hussein Kamel, who was in charge of Iraq’s secret weapons programmes. After he defected to Jordan, Iraqi officials led UN inspectors to a cache of 1.5 million pages of documents hidden in packing crates at General Kamel’s chicken farm in Iraq, the Haider House Farm, in an apparent effort to get rid of incriminating evidence that they assumed he would provide to Western intelligence. Among them was a file of correspondence between Iraq’s Mukhabarat secret service and Department 3000 of the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission (IAEC), a secret Iraqi nuclear programme that was codenamed Petro-Chemical 3. "Included was a few pages relating to an approach made by a foreign national who offered assistance, for financial reward, in nuclear weapon design and in the procurement of material that may be required," Iraq’s declaration says. "The Iraqi team pointed out to the International Atomic Energy Agency Action Team (IAEA AT) that no external assistance was received by the former Iraqi nuclear programme, other than that already declared to the (team) and is documented." A source familiar with the case said that the document identified the scientist as a Pakistani. The handwritten paper seems to be a record of a meeting between him and an Iraqi contact. "He made the unsolicited offer to a contact of the Mukhabarat procurement network and there was a communication between the Mukhabarat and Department 3000, where IAEC procurement was handled," the source said. The document triggered an investigation by UN nuclear inspectors, who approached Pakistan. Islamabad told them it could not identify the scientist, but some UN Security Council diplomats suspect that Pakistan does know who it is. Inspectors thought that the matter was important enough to brief the five permanent members of the Security Council — Britain, China, France, Russia and the United States — on their 1997 inquiry. Evidence of contact between a Pakistani scientist and Iraq will only fuel fears that Pakistan is willing to share its technology with so-called "rogue nations". The US suspects Pakistan of having supplied North Korea with gas centrifuge technology to make weapons-grade uranium for its nuclear bomb in 1997/98.

Washington Post December 30, 2002 Pg. 14 Pakistan Releases Militant Leader MULTAN, Pakistan -- Pakistani police complied with a court order to free the leader of a banned Islamic militant group from house arrest. "Following the removal of the police guard, Maulana Masood Azhar left for an unknown place after midnight," police official Sikandar Hayat said . Azhar, head of Jaish-i-Muhammad, and other leaders of Pakistan's often violent Islamic groups were ordered jailed after a Dec. 13, 2001, attack by Islamic militants on the Indian Parliament in New Delhi in which 14 people died. India and the United States then pressured Pakistan to rein in the militants, who are fighting Indian control of the disputed Kashmir region. Pakistan banned many of the groups but most quickly reemerged under other names. In recent weeks, courts in Pakistan have ordered the release of several jailed militant leaders. --Associated Press