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  1. I didn't make this up: Narayana Maharaja: Even from the university professor viewpoint, this is the theology of Caitanya Saraswat Vaisnvaism. The babajis believe that one gets siddha pranali at initiation and then learns of their siddha svarupa. Srila Saraswati Thakur taught that by the combination of Mahamantra, kama-gayatri and gopal-mantra, siddha svarupa will come naturally as the prasada of this process for those who are surrendered, saranagatah. This is the meaning of what Srila Prabhupada gave when he initiated one (gave diksa) into these mantras. The concept of becoming brahmana and therefore becoming qualified to do arcana was also explained by Srila Prabhupada, but there is a much deeper meaning to the diksa mantras and eventually the sanyassa mantra. We need to learn of these things in order to give the proper regard even if we are incapable of carrying out the order to chant these mantras purely or even at all. Otherwise we will become lost in all these external concepts like the topic this thread proposes.
  2. Canto 10: The Summum Bonum Chapter 14: Brahmā's Prayers to Lord Kṛṣṇa Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 10.14.38 jānanta eva jānantu kiḿ bahūktyā na me prabho manaso vapuṣo vāco vaibhavaḿ tava go-caraḥ SYNONYMS jānantaḥ — persons who think they are aware of Your unlimited potency; eva — certainly; jānantu — let them think like that; kim — what is the use; bahu-uktyā — with many words; na — not; me — my; prabho — O Lord; manasaḥ — of the mind; vapuṣaḥ — of the body; vācaḥ — of the words; vaibhavam — opulences; tava — Your; go-caraḥ — within the range. TRANSLATION There are people who say, "I know everything about Kṛṣṇa." Let them think that way. As far as I am concerned, I do not wish to speak very much about this matter. O my Lord, let me say this much: As far as Your opulences are concerned, they are all beyond the reach of my mind, body and words. PURPORT This translation is quoted from Śrīla Prabhupāda's Caitanya-caritāmṛta, Madhya-līla, Chapter Twenty-one, Text 27.
  3. The daiva varnasrama paradigm is not incorrect. It is for those on a low level of devotional service like most of the Western devotees (us). But it is your interpretation of what Prabhupada said that is incorrect. An aspiring Vaisnava who is attracted to someone like Srila Prabhupada and the Caitanyite conception of Krsna he is giving is not really in ignorance. But because of external conditioning he may be in the habit of working as a sudra such as a laborer. So although from a material viewpoint he may appear to be digging a ditch to lay plumbing for a devotional project, if he is doing this to please a bonafide guru and Krsna then he is not really in tama guna and he is gradually being elevated by his Krsna karma yoga.
  4. And it is beyond Justin's understanding also, otherwise if it was so easy, then how would it be glorious?
  5. Sometimes you have to have a very sharp knife to cut through illusion. And BTW, I prefer to read Srila Prabhupada's books the way they were when he entered samadhi. I just don't believe, based on changes in language, that people will speak the language that they are in, in a few thousands years. That doesn't mean I want the books changed now and I don't care for what Jayadvaita has done.
  6. Get some horse-sense, Prabhu. A Century means 100 years. We are talking about the changes in a language such as English that occur over hundreds and then thousands of years. When Prabhupada said these books are for the next ten thousand years, he meant the Srimad Bhagavatam as compiled by Veda Vyasa with the commentaries of the Acaryas, the Caitanya Caritamrta by Krsna das Kaviraja, and then the books that he had put into mid-twentieth Century English prose. But he was well aware that the language would change. He was not hung up on a particular form of language and that's why he allowed his books to be translated into such modern languages such as Spanish, French, German etc. Take it from the horses mouth.
  7. Wikipedia: Old English: Here is English from about 900 years ago:
  8. Shakespeare produced most of his known work between 1590 and 1613. Language is always changing. This is English from only about 400 years ago. How much will it change in a period five times as long or twenty-five times as long!
  9. But of course another way of looking at it would be to think, "Srila Prabhupada's instructions are perfect, but we just do not have the purity to carry them out properly."
  10. Of course you know, this means war, don't you?
  11. I personally am not qualified to change diddly squat. I am talking about the potential for change like the changes made by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur such as [re]establishing Gaudiya Vaisnava sannyasa. I'm referring to changes or adjustments made by a real acarya. Some believe that for a ten thousand year period that Srila Prabhupada will be the only Acarya, inititating guru and that in the year 3976, for instance, English speakers will read his books exactly as they appeared in English in the 1970's some two thousand years earlier. To me that sounds like some strange fairytale. Just like the fairytale that we fell from our svabhavika rasa in direct Krsna lila in Vraja, which is another prominent fairytale dreamed up by the 'Ten Thousand Year' crowd.
  12. Good fortune in our acarya's conception would be to have a substantial connection with Krsna Consciousness. How can one not care what someone does and then hope that they do the best thing for themselves and others? That sound mutually contradictory. On the other hand if you're saying something like, "do what you're going to do, but just not in the direct name of Srila Prabhupada", then it makes sense. On the other hand why is it that Krsna Consciousness has to come in a particular way or paticular brand?
  13. It's one of the inherent dangers of "The Ten Thousand Year Acaryaship" Theory: There can be no changes for changing times, changing circumstances and changing places because no one is qualified, nor ever will (at least for ten thousand years) be qualified to do so.
  14. I have to essentially agree with the most Evil Kaisersose in his post #25. But the entire brahmana/non-brahmana issue, in the context of Gaudiya Saraswat Vaisnava diksa is really a smoke screen to promote an iconoclastic outlook and therefore a much more ambitious agenda. Actually we are comparing apples and oranges, but since we don't even agree on definitions, when we go to grab the oranges they turn into tangerines. So these threads which really appear to be about this subject are just some kind of hodge podge where the protagonists will raise just about any argument to make their point. The non-Saraswat Gaudiyas could just as well debate this with the Saraswat Gaudiyas as both have distinctly different opinions on the subject which the Kaiser, Justin and Raghu seem to be unaware. Each different Vaisnava and even Advaitan sect would have, then again even another opinion. Each side will take the stand that they have the correct interpretation of the Vedic and Puranic concepts, so the arguments will go on without cessation and we can all join in gleefully in an orgy of tale chasing (more canine analogies), an avocation that the good (Evil) Kaiser is so expert at, with all of us idlers who have way too much time on our hands.
  15. You are unprepared. Do your homework and do a search on the internet. The Commissioner announced it at his weekly news conference this morning.
  16. Just like Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur's conception, an acarya could come along in Gaudiya Saraswat line and say, "alright, no more brahmana threads.' Could it be? Will further changes according to time, place and circumstances take place, for sure. But clearly the motive behind the "football playing" of the Kaisers Just-in-time (Johnny-come lately, Jimmy-Cracked Corn) and the Raghu Spaghetti man are to impune the very motives and integrity of Srila Saraswati Thakur and Srila Prabhupada. Football has its rules and you guys have crossed the lines, and committed personal fouls for which the Big Commissioner in the Sky will lay out heavy fines.
  17. I guess he's right, we couldn't find those Kaiser-Krauts anywhere.
  18. Besides Raghu's criticisms, what is he proposing?
  19. I gave up on ISKCON. I don't care if 10,000 ISKCON gurus fall down in the next 100 years I'm just sittin here in the swamp dealing with ordinary life and fears I just worry about the next video and keeping away from them beers I don't care if 10,000 ISKCON gurus fall down in the next 100 years...
  20. You are talking oranges and apples. What the Gaudiyas are saying is within their definitions. You are using different definitions. What Prabhupada is saying is that a Vaisnava is higher than a brahmana, but still his tendencies in work may still appear to be like that of a vaishya or sudra. But he is a Vaisnava so not an ordinary vaisya or sudra. Then what Vedic texts will he read? Not the four Vedas, but the cream of all Vedic literature, the Srimad Bhagavatam. An ordinary sudra will never have any interest in such a thing because he is just that, an ordinary sudra. You can agree or disagree but then what is your position? If this is true and you are really a 'Justin', then you are outside the system of varnasrama, completely, with far less of a standing than even an ordinary sudra. How could you have any opinion on anything Vedic or even closely related? This is what would be forbidden. Therefore it is your opinion or even your attempt at an opinion on this subject which is from the Vedic standpoint is completely out of bounds.
  21. Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 6.14.5 muktānām api siddhānāḿ nārāyaṇa-parāyaṇaḥ sudurlabhaḥ praśāntātmā koṭiṣv api mahā-mune O great sage, among many millions who are liberated and perfect in knowledge of liberation, one may be a devotee of Lord Nārāyaṇa, or Kṛṣṇa. Such devotees, who are fully peaceful, are extremely rare. Fom the Purport by Srila Prabhupada: "Unless the dirt within the core of one's heart is cleansed away, one cannot become a pure devotee. Therefore the word sudurlabhaḥ ("very rarely found") is used in this verse. Not only among hundreds and thousands, but among millions of perfectly liberated souls, a pure devotee is hardly ever found. "
  22. Yes, he's honest on some levels but of course not on all levels. A guru or acarya has to carry themselves in a way that will set an example of devotional service at the standard of his guru. When we think that such a thing is impossible then we settle for less as both the teacher and the student. Then the whole process degrades into imitationism ( or never is lifted out of the imitation level) and we are left with institutionalized, 'taking it cheaply-ism'. If one can't come up to the real standard then don't allow oneself to be advertised as a bonafide guru, don't accept worship for one will go down at very rapid rate. Sometimes you can see the plunge other times the pretenders can disguise it. Its not only sad but its sickening, especially considering that he was so dear to Srila Prabhupada, and the whole crazy thing goes on decade after decade.
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