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I somehow thought he got out last year. Now let's see what happens to these criminal cops! if anything

I thought you were saying gurus could be only in Iskcon. Sorry I misunderstood. Yes that is a serious problem. Unqualified people voting in unqualified gurus and then having to keep their eye on them to make sure they don't exploit their disciples. The whole mess is an unnecessary disturbance. The solution is to see Prabhupada's example.

I thought you were saying gurus could be only in Iskcon. Sorry I misunderstood. Yes that is a serious problem. Unqualified people voting in unqualified gurus and then having to keep their eye on them to make sure they don't exploit their disciples. The whole mess is an unnecessary disturbance. The solution is to see Prabhupada's example.

Welcome to the battlefield. You can't stop that sense drive by any process other than strengthening your attachment to Krsna, which you say is growing. There are some techniques which help a little. Like trying to just observe the lust as it appears and maintain the observer position. The lust comes, the head turns,you are aware of the feelings and then it passes. Remember Krsna as you just watch this experience pass by. You might try studying some gross anatamony and then force yourself to see the raw truth of the bodies as they are. I have some videos and books with actual pictures(photos not drawings) of cadavers all cut up, skinned and exposing the whole mess. The muscular and skeletal system, the veinous system, the internal organs etc. See it for what it is. At first you are overtaken by aversion but then you get past that and can see it for what it is. A machine. For instance we are attracted to experiencing our body kissing the mouth of some pretty woman. So just think what a mouth is. It's the end of a long tube that runs down to the stomach and then further that tube becomes the intestines and finally an anus on the other end. That is what we are kissing. A tube that ingests and digests food, absorbs nutrients, and forms and expells turds. Do we really want to kiss the 'sweet' end of such a tube? If we saw one lying by the side of the road would we pick it up and upon figuring out which hole is the anus and which is the mouth then begin to kiss the mouth end? Behind it all we want to love and experience intimacy with another living being. But this natural desire of the soul cannot be satified by substituting some biological machine for a real person, that is, another soul. Knowledge breeds detachment. Understanding what we are and what we are not. But truthfully we won't really suceed fully this way. It may be somewhat helpful. Our only hope is for Krsna to reach down and pick us up. The more we chant and pray for mercy the better off we will be. Patient determination fellow soul. Hare Krsna

Welcome to the battlefield. You can't stop that sense drive by any process other than strengthening your attachment to Krsna, which you say is growing. There are some techniques which help a little. Like trying to just observe the lust as it appears and maintain the observer position. The lust comes, the head turns,you are aware of the feelings and then it passes. Remember Krsna as you just watch this experience pass by. You might try studying some gross anatamony and then force yourself to see the raw truth of the bodies as they are. I have some videos and books with actual pictures(photos not drawings) of cadavers all cut up, skinned and exposing the whole mess. The muscular and skeletal system, the veinous system, the internal organs etc. See it for what it is. At first you are overtaken by aversion but then you get past that and can see it for what it is. A machine. For instance we are attracted to experiencing our body kissing the mouth of some pretty woman. So just think what a mouth is. It's the end of a long tube that runs down to the stomach and then further that tube becomes the intestines and finally an anus on the other end. That is what we are kissing. A tube that ingests and digests food, absorbs nutrients, and forms and expells turds. Do we really want to kiss the 'sweet' end of such a tube? If we saw one lying by the side of the road would we pick it up and upon figuring out which hole is the anus and which is the mouth then begin to kiss the mouth end? Behind it all we want to love and experience intimacy with another living being. But this natural desire of the soul cannot be satified by substituting some biological machine for a real person, that is, another soul. Knowledge breeds detachment. Understanding what we are and what we are not. But truthfully we won't really suceed fully this way. It may be somewhat helpful. Our only hope is for Krsna to reach down and pick us up. The more we chant and pray for mercy the better off we will be. Patient determination fellow soul. Hare Krsna

I am sorry but I believe you are the one who is concocting on this point of disciples forming their own branches.

I am sorry but I believe you are the one who is concocting on this point of disciples forming their own branches.

In reply to: -- Theist: Myself I can't imagine accepting one as a representative of Krsna who does not have a living connection with his own guru and the Lord in the heart. -- Guest: As you probably know the ritivk point here would be that Prabhupada is not dead, he is still living and very much alive. There are those who never met him but experienced his presence. ------------------------ Yes, I understand Prabhupada is not to be considered a 'dead' guru which is what is implied when people use the term living guru. I simply hate hearing that. What I mean by living connection with guru has nothing to do with bodily existence of guru in this dimension or not. Even if the "disciple" is in the same room with the person who gave him his beads and performed some initiation ceremony the connection may be dead. Whereas someone who never met his guru in vapuh may even now have a living connection through his vani. As I see it only the connection should be considered living or dead and never the guru. It seems like such a highly offensive term. Unless one has a living connection to someone with a living connection he is not linked up to the parampara as I see it.

In reply to: -- Theist: Myself I can't imagine accepting one as a representative of Krsna who does not have a living connection with his own guru and the Lord in the heart. -- Guest: As you probably know the ritivk point here would be that Prabhupada is not dead, he is still living and very much alive. There are those who never met him but experienced his presence. ------------------------ Yes, I understand Prabhupada is not to be considered a 'dead' guru which is what is implied when people use the term living guru. I simply hate hearing that. What I mean by living connection with guru has nothing to do with bodily existence of guru in this dimension or not. Even if the "disciple" is in the same room with the person who gave him his beads and performed some initiation ceremony the connection may be dead. Whereas someone who never met his guru in vapuh may even now have a living connection through his vani. As I see it only the connection should be considered living or dead and never the guru. It seems like such a highly offensive term. Unless one has a living connection to someone with a living connection he is not linked up to the parampara as I see it.

This is another reason I avoid the ritviks while agreeing with many of their points. They say (and prove) that a connection with Srila Prabhupada can still be had through his vani but then in the next sentence deny that Srila Prabhupada can order his disciples to to accept disciples themselves because he is no longer physically present. Therefore it follows that any that do so must be acting out of a desire to acquire some false prestige for themselves and consider them envious. Myself I can't imagine accepting one as a representative of Krsna who does not have a living connection with his own guru and the Lord in the heart. That is all these new gurus need for support and authorization. If they feel they need to be proped up by some committee and some rubber stamp voted in OK for authorization I consider that a sure disqualification. This is different someone talking something over with their Godbrothers or Godsisters. That would just be natural. but this voting...Nah.

This is another reason I avoid the ritviks while agreeing with many of their points. They say (and prove) that a connection with Srila Prabhupada can still be had through his vani but then in the next sentence deny that Srila Prabhupada can order his disciples to to accept disciples themselves because he is no longer physically present. Therefore it follows that any that do so must be acting out of a desire to acquire some false prestige for themselves and consider them envious. Myself I can't imagine accepting one as a representative of Krsna who does not have a living connection with his own guru and the Lord in the heart. That is all these new gurus need for support and authorization. If they feel they need to be proped up by some committee and some rubber stamp voted in OK for authorization I consider that a sure disqualification. This is different someone talking something over with their Godbrothers or Godsisters. That would just be natural. but this voting...Nah.

Not sure Priitaa. I just read about it in one of Frawley or Lad's books and tried it. It worked so well but I never really did any futher investigation on it. I could see some pharmecutical concern studying it annd trying to isolate the active ingredients in hopes of making something they could patent. I haven't seen any western herbals that speak of it either. I just bought another pound a couple of days ago. i ran out about a month ago and proceeded to fall into a pretty deep funk. I realize now how dependent I am on it for mental stability. It is so nice. It works as a stimulant and also a nerve tonic at the same time. I am naturally prone to depressive states and this keeps my head above water. But I don't want to give anyone the impression that it is just for people with similar problems. Its not. It is a great aid to anyone doing any sort of meditation. So maybe try some yourself and tell him how it works for you along with this other info. As to how to take it. The best way seems to be to chew a small piece. I can't do that. I make a fresh powder in a small coffee grinder and then stir it in orange juice or swallow a couple vegi-caps. The vegi-caps seems to be the least effective so you have to take several throughout the day. Also if making a brew one can get a slow cooker and put in many other herbs with it to cover the taste. I leave it on overnight at low heat. I use licorice, fennel etc. This is really a very good way to get full potency. Be well Hare Krsna

From the introduction to Srimad Bhagavatam by Srila Prabhupada

I don't feel overwhelmed in anyway. I am not sure what you are talking about. Did I not get back to this thread soon enough? If that's it I apologize and will in the morning. Hare Krsna

that is was a joke but it is a real nightmare. I believe they avoid using cow meat but I'm not sure. Same to me. Animal slaughters. And just because they don't sell cow meat there they are responsible for billions of cows being slaughtered world wide. If I could remember where the picture of it is I would link to it.

that is was a joke but it is a real nightmare. I believe they avoid using cow meat but I'm not sure. Same to me. Animal slaughters. And just because they don't sell cow meat there they are responsible for billions of cows being slaughtered world wide. If I could remember where the picture of it is I would link to it.

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about it being har-tzion.

about it being har-tzion.

I need to adopt the same motto.

I didn't listen to it all, was that Tamal Krsna das speaking?

I didn't listen to it all, was that Tamal Krsna das speaking?

didn't you mean to write rsluet when you wrote "rset". Made it a bit hard to read. edit OK you wrote rest instead of result. I must be becoming dyslexic or something. Now it works fine for me.

So Gurudas does it then follow that you consider Ananda to be an attribute that is not directly intregral to the soul proper? Or am I mistaken?