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We have a tradition of giving chitravathi. Its done when you are taking the rice as your food. cant be done for any other type of food..

First you put water around your banana lief if u re using for the food or around the plate. Then you keep a rice grain for every mantra below and on the right hand side of your plate keping distance between every grain..

Chithraya Swaha

Chithragupthaya swaha

Yamaya swaha

Yamadharmaya swaha

After this you drink water by putting in your palm 4 times for the mantra below

Chithraya Namah

Chithrgupthaya namaha

Yamaya Namaha

Yamadharmaya Namaha

and thats makes itall

Hari hari bol

Jain or for that matter any other religion which spouted in Kali yuga has not been mentioned in Sanatana scriptures. Howver , it's been said that there will be so many so called religions would come up...

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Oh no, stop me, this phrase reminds me of my favorite rap artist. Ice T. But I dont think id get much response, nor will I post lyrics soon (although I do highly recommend Ice T's autobiography).

 

The numbersa are controlled from all sides, great effort has been enacted to keep the public from knowing the truth.

 

Like the 2800 american dead figure. This means 2800 were dead on the dirt in Iraq, if the body is still wiggling when placed in the helocopter, it is not KIA (killed in action).

 

In actuality, over 9000 US military personnel are dead as a result of taking part in the bogus war. The 600,000 Iraqi dead figure may not be high, rather very low, for the same reason. Thousands of Iraqis have died in route to somewhere else, and the number of Iraqis dead at the hands of Iraqis is staggering, some say up to over 3000 per month, increasing, not decreasing.

 

All we do at this point is pray. That those who die are treated well on the other side. War is a catastrophe, like tsunamis, like volocanoes, caused by failure to speak the TRUE. We honor all the dead, yes, even the suicide bomber, also VICTIMS of circumstance, denizens of Kali Yuga.

I wonder if those dead in Iraq war would ever get any Heaven for dyring for thier mother land... Here it appears like they died for someone's selfish cause... Might have born as new age Iraqi by now who would eventually avenge over US... A history that just repeats itself:mad:

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What irritates people in genaral is the rise of material opulances for the western so called christian civilisation and fall of eastern vedic vaishnav civilisation. This can actually confuse a normal human being and make him to tread a wrong path... Still its India where so many die a dog's death..Still people here are slaves and the western are rulers (though indirectly)

When will Hari show is grace on us ,, I am waiting and am certainley not running out of patience coz, I have unlimited faith...

Hari hari bol

Still Srila Prabhupada,though he left his material body he is stilla round taking care of it.......

Authorized to be Guru

 

 

Nov 28, BHUBANESWAR,Orissa, INDIA —

 

Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja Darshan, Bhubaneswar, India - 11-24-89.

 

 

 

Devotee: Maharaja where did you take sannyasa?

 

 

Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: Vrndavana, yes when that Krishna Balarama temple opened on Rama Navami day, you see, that day. I met Srila Prabhupada first in Vrndavana. I took sannyasa in Vrndavana. That is his causeless mercy on me. I have no qualification. I am not such a worthy person, unworthy fellow but he (Srila Prabhupada) showered his mercy on me. When he whispered to me in this room he told me, “You have to accept disciples and train them. You should have your own men, your own disciples. Otherwise how can you manage?” He (Srila Prabhupada) told me that."

 

So, then people came, they sought initiation from me but, I was not allowed (by the GBC) to accept disciples at that time and some devotees felt disappointed and left and went to the Gaudiya Math and accepted a spiritual master from there. So I told in GBC that Prabhupada had told me this thing (to initiate my own men). They said, “What is proof ?” I then said, “Proof is myself, Srila Prabhupada told me in my ear. It’s not recorded on a machine, but recorded deep in my heart.” But in his first letter to me, Prabhupada has also mentioned this same thing. You have seen that first letter?

 

Disciple: We went through the letter books, its there.

 

Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: I have those books, but I don’t know?. . . . but I have that letter, first letter. In that letter Prabhupada mentioned, “Under your leadership, under your leadership, under your leadership. . .” Three times he has mentioned this thing that this Bhubaneswar will be developed like that. I showed that letter in the GBC. I said, “This is the letter. If I won’t be a leader, then how can I do it?” Then they allowed and I told them emphatically, “If you may not allow, but I must carry out the order of my spiritual master, I must do it.” They were frightened. I was so strong. Then they finally allowed me.

Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: Yes, that is the process. Because I am obeying the orders of my spiritual master. I am collecting or training men for my spiritual master’s mission, do you understand? As my spiritual master (Srila Prabhupada) told me, “You must have your own disciples. You must train them, you must have your own men, otherwise how will you manage?” Why did he tell such thing? So disciples, as my disciple they are grand disciple of Prabhupada, do you understand? But I am collecting men for my spiritual master to fulfill his desire in his mission. So I say, this is quite logical saying, “I am accepting for my spiritual master. You are all his men, and my spiritual master is sending you to me, to get training from me. Under my guidance you should work. That is the process. Do you understand? This is the vaisnava philosophy and this is the humble way because vaisnava is humble.

Do you think Shah Jahan was an idiot?

 

If he remodeled a Hindu temple, why would he retain the 'Gods' in a locked room? He would have cleared everything away, which is what anyone with average brains would do. Similar nonsense is generated about Tirupathi too where the idol is actually that of Buddha, but the priests will not let anyone see that.

 

Muslims of India have been living in India for centuries now and they are just Indian as Hindus. One has to be really narrow-minded not to accept them as fellow Indians. These petty folks are the real trouble makers.

 

About the government covering up this alleged Hindu temple story for tourism, it is actually in their interest to uncover such a story, if there was one as this would multiple tourism two-fold. So that angle is incorrect too.

 

Use your brains people, do not be fooled by forbidden archaeology. It is for entertainment only and people should be aware of this truth.

 

Peace

Yes he was, a huge idiot. Indeed every Muslim king who plundered (not ruled) India were idiots and barbarians (as europians call them~)I aint sure about the hidden gods, but onething I can say that these kings werent so intelligent build such a massive structure. All the forts and palaces in india were convereted by these as their own palaces... Moreover if at all they were so intelligent, wudnt they have built such structures back home in Afgahn and Arab countries? They wudnt have lived in caves and camps:smash:

They were very cunning and they have indeed shown it in malwriting the history so that coming genaration would feel proud about them.....

Make your facts clear before blaming .......

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One who acts according to the time, place and the people is the wise. However, wise also knows that he acts only according to the material nature. Had Arjuna stopped fighting thinking that everyone is same and soul without finding the faults in the Kauravas, the history would have set a wrong example to the people..

When the time is to kill one has to kill for the good of all in genaral.. However fault finding for the selfish benifit isnt good....

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Yep, if building slaughterhouses in India is considered the mark of a great personality, then Nehru fits the bill.

And prostitution centre would have him as God:rolleyes:

Coming to the point, you would seldom find streets on the names of Lord or for that matter atleast some great saints.....whereever you go u have one street naming nheru and gandhi/// as if by taking theri names one wud get some great heaven he he

Ya that was Subahsh chandra bose.. And then I don offend brits here, ofcourse they were litle barbaric and looted so much, but nevertheless Indians were also stupid enough...they were suporting selfish people

Sometimes it really sucks when I see many things like streets, some cities and also some premier educational institues are named after some bloody third class politicinas like Nehru.... Such a womaniser lead his entire life in sense gratification and also root cause for kashmir problem in India. How on earth the people in India can be so stupid? this hasnt stopped, people even celebrate his birthday as some bloody stuff and the govt'l organisations will be closed this day. Oh krishna, what to say about those who celebrate the birthday of a womaniser... what to say about those people who jst madly elect his descencents without any proper rationale...Whats going wrong here , and what has to be changed... well who will change it....

I felt like laughing when I read some threads here about India becoming super power in coming years...They are really foolish ones... The fate of this country is not in the hands of somne astrologers.. Its in the hands of the people..... And ofcourse as you sow so shall you reap.....And Krishna would be happy to popin and help when one is making a sincere effort

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I see this trend as well. Many of the top Iskcon people will sing the praises of Torah and at the same time disrespect and blaspheme advanced Gaudiya Vaishnavas by calling them sahajiyas. It is a very sad turn of events. The abrahamic religion mentality of "we are the only ones who are right - everyone else is fallen" is pervading this institution top to bottom.

Devotion to Krishna cant take place perfectly in any other place than Bharathavarsha.. .....that says it all doesnt it?

Well, the whole episode of lifting Govardhan Hill and the floods of Indra are all becaue Krishna didn't want the residents of Vraja to worship demigods like Indra.

 

Srila Prabhupada says in gita purport:

 

 

Demigod worship is part of the karma kanda path, but in pure devotional service demigod worship is forbidden.

As such, Krishna stepped in when the residents of Vraja were attempting to worship Indra.

I cudnt quite get the meaning of Image you hold ? 'Om' under a computer operated by a stone age human..... What do ya trying to convey here?

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from crystalinks.com

The pineal gland is occasionally associated with the sixth chakra (also called Ajna or the third eye chakra in yoga). It is believed by some to be a dormant organ that can be awakened to enable "telepathic" communication.

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do you mean that my telepathic ability is imaginary, or do you mean that all who claim to have telepathic abilities are wrong?

I am not sure about this, but onething i can advice without proper certified direct Guru guidance(not any internet guru), there is a danger of falling into mental sickness....

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Because of all my memories of the place, and of the communication with my Neptune parents that still lives there.

 

It's a very interesting place, and it is gigantic, it has more layers, like many planets in one, gods live in the highest layer, and hell is also there, like a prison within a prison within a prison, one worse than the other. Where I lived, there was almost no violence, and when I was a child I learned telepathy from my father, it's a very spiritual place. They learn sanskrit and english in school, and create some of their own destiny in cooperation with gods. I don't remember what language they used, if it was their own language or some of the above, but I know that many that lives there has lived on earth before, so maybe they keep their own language.

They know all about earth and other planets and have the possibility to look at movies from earth and listen to our music.

Agreed that they learn Sanskrith in the school, but what on Neptune do they English? might be coz, Simon peter is an English.. They watch movies he he, well might be they want to advance spiritually by watching Earthain Movies hehe,,,,,,, no offence, but honestly makes no sence......

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This whole ‘platform’ has everything to do with spirituality. Just not your way and business and true care for people, don’t mix real well and why I retired before I opened up this can of worms.

The only Good and Bad you will ever feel, know (for fact) or see, will be in the flesh and in this life you are standing in, the rest is conjecture, in all cases!

again pigeon holed …. I can show you how life exists and begin at the molecular scale all the way to consciousness, representing that all the globes theologies are in fact real and each are telling us the same thing, (once you give up the junk within each)

and I say that once man realizes ‘how’ they exist and teach the children ‘correctly’ so they will have the questions ‘everyone’ on this globes continues to ask, known, within this physical existence, that will also vindicate the old stories,

will be the single most important advancement and set of understanding ever, that will bring responsibility and compassion to each member granting the proper setting, ‘heaven on earth’ is within this framework…..

and your telling me what?

Why not ask how and apply some reasoning rather then tell me anything about how this ‘frog” got stuck in the well. I least I have water and will survive, your still on the moon with some blue guys with a bunch of ‘different’ names, singing to make yourself feel good.

“It” …. ???? Has memories now?!?!? Now God’s name is also “it,” with memories.

If you don’t ‘deserve’ to share real quality information to the people of this forum, then go lay by your dish!

Exactly! It is within and the globe is waiting, so try and drag it out as this is what I have been asking all along.

And you are here to tell me so, right? Your mission in life is to be a non-practicing “guru” who is going to tell another sole who has spent most and promised his life to represent this exact subject, how it works?

Glad you’re here telling us how it is!

My hero! R u the almighty salami. !!!

Whatever I wrote till now I can give evidence from the scriptures , you see references for my journal paper... They are not the conclusion of my volatile mind... Can you give me the references for whatever you have been trying to convey? and answer is big NO... Coz they are from the concocting mind. I am not offending,, becoz you are not this mind, you are the soul the powerful soul......

In your way , it can be expalined like , if you are sick you would go to a CERTIFIED doctor , not the one who just says this and that according to his or her own opinions, which naturally change as the wind blows he he....Likewise, for spiritual healing you need a Guru (the spiritual doctor) who can teach you perfectly who is that bluish person with "differnt" transcendental names, for whom so many dance like mad .......

Its waste of time for both of us to continue this discussion ask me why, i have read many sciene books and as well as spiritual books, so i could make comaprisons.. On the other hand you have only read some (or may be so many of them) science books and trying to make a story out of it....No, if you have had read any spiritual from India both in Personal and impersonal aspects, only then our argument wud have been more intersting and fruitive..

Make no sence!

So I beg and I pray to my BLUISH LORD HARI WITH DIFFERENT NAMES that you be successfull in your attempt....

Sri hari hari bol

if you are telephatic, please tell me what I am thinking about you?

Telepathic doest necessarily make one to read everyone's mind. And then the extent of spiritual advancement is very meager in this age even on the other planets......

Hari hari bol

They look just like us, but if a neptunian comes here, they are almost invisible, but if you have a good third eye, you can see them, like a moving water spirit.

How long do they live there?

Got some new information from Neptune, it turns out that Neptune doesn't lay forward in time, it is in the same time, but it exists on a different physical frequenzy. So the Neptune we know, is the Neptune that exists on the same frequenzy that we are.

How do they look like there in Neptune? do they have huge head and small eyes or many legs and many hands, just like the way they show on starwars he he

Hari hari bol

Not for any gain. Just think if the sciences knew how it worked maybe some of the ailments such as cancer and diabetes may be addressed. As for the spiritual side well most have been telling us the same thing all along. In both scenarios the ‘specimen’ is isolated versus recognized as an intricate part of the total.

And many have finished a cog for the mechanism but the finished product is still not universally recognized, would you agree?

 

As they should because the pure works do have merit, honor them.

 

For each ‘interpretation’ there are convincing items for each argument but read the quotes from the greats, most suggest the exact representation being described.

 

 

 

You are talking on the platform which has got nothing to do with spirituality. Spirituality aint money making or stomoch feeding business. What ever one does , WHATEVER , has got both good and bad reactions adhered to it, coz its material even helping or serving some poor for eg....I am not saying one shouldnt help some one... But thats simply MORALITY, (that might make a millionare in the lifes to come, but remember u still got to sustain the pain during birth and death) its not spirituality.... Spirituality is coming out of both good and bad (coming out of the cycle of births and deaths), you see TRANSCENDETAL..Coming out of meterial joy and sorrow is spirituality....

 

I am not blaming you for anything, its coz you have not relished the higher taste, you are still wondering around with the lower taste, just like a kupa manduka ( a frog in the well) no offence:) ....

 

Its good to give a spoon of sugar to a child , coz its sweet, but remeber the names of the Lord can even more be relishable,,,, give that to the child and it will remember it forever..

 

I can still put on lots of stuff here, but I don deserve to do that, you see me too still a neophyte, struggling to control over senses.. so i don think it would be wise for me to preach things which i don practice......

 

 

Start chanting the name of the lord's, and you will know what i mean... The whole universe is inside you.. its waiting , and waiting for you to give a glimpse......

 

Belive me the nowadays science will go further to much higher height in coming times, but still it will miss the real essence.......To get that essence is not so easy, indeed not so difficult as well, you see Surrender unto Krishna,, and there you have for which you are here for (in this Planet)

 

 

Hari hari bol

May Krishna bring you a cheerful and happy married life

Hari hari bol

Brother our passion is what makes for good honest debate. Words are not to harm anyone but how they are understood begets the feelings. Do you ever cry in a play or stage act? Please be honest with yourself and nothing you ever read from me will hurt.

Look for purpose as if a bird was chirping in the tree. Look for the beauty of the cockroach; note the skill of its survival and not the fallacy taught by the exterminator.

Or clearly said: see what is, versus what man believes.

Passion… my friend. Curious, if another subject but this is not another subject, this is what your core is seeking.

 

To a point but to overcome the corruption, arrogant truth is born to protect the meek and the children. To birth the new will take a beast with passion to convey the truth and be governed by this is how to withstand capitalistic assimilation.

 

Just like needing passion to over come the corruption of today; the ill left upon this society by man’s rudeness needs the additions of many to overcome the virus.

So in answering the truth; many of mans works must be understood.

IN answering the illnesses; we need the medicine of the brethren to combat the diseases shared of the variant lands.

It is why I Love this sect a such …. Spiritual instead of too physical … I agree … I am with you 100 and 10 plus 5 % …. My hair then and before to my toe nails, now and forever……

Yo …. But … that is not going to cross the boarders. It is where physics will. This is my story.

To combine the 2. Vindicate the past (guru/prophets) and offer a described future for every single person to understand. There is no debate, there is only one way it all works.

This is an error and I can suggest why; an American knows the freedom of choice as was intended by God and within this arena each has a choice to pursue any direction of life they wish. Read as they want, be as they want, believe as they want. Where data and information of the world and its cultures are at the fingertips.

So to have persons with every choice that can be possessed, one day someone who cares not of himself but of others can be born; to live only under the eyes of knowing able only to learn for the total, having the ills ever present to learn from, to be just as a part of both Love and Hate during the course of life, but chooses to share the ground covered with the next generations, so that the straight path is easy to find.

To lay concrete down for tomorrow that cannot be chipped away ever again.

Please if I lie, slap me, if I help, please believe, as I could never harm all I am doing is still learning while dropping bricks all the while seeking masons to help build a road.

Friends I assure you, just trust a weee little bit. Ask me anything you like as they are things others may want to know, AND I LEARN WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK “understanding.”

You are trying to bind the science or so called one with the spiritualuty. Indeed there are so many so called gurus in India as well across the world, who try to do that... In doing so, so many even take the element of god from thier explanation... According to the scriptures, this is not possible... I am not tkaing it blindly, as you must have thought.. For everything i see logic and rationale..And fortunately I get it sooner or later, in otherwords to get that "Understanding" I have to surrender everyday unto the supreme to bestow me that intelligence by which I can understand the netigrity,, and bestows me with his compassion....

Materialism and spirituality are like two banks of a river, if you want to goto the one you have to forget about the other bank. The people in this age are holding themselves the materialism tree and asking the tree to leave them.......

I am a researhcer and am not proud of it! coz I know very clearly, what i am doing is only for my bread,, and the kind of research i do although brings lots of funding, it gets me nowhere after the death........what matters then is the research that i do in the field of searching for the ultimate reality sitting in my heart, the supreme lord, the one without a second the most intelligent ,the all creator , the supreme aim, the supreme personality and finally the cause of all causes....

Hari hari bol

First of all its difficult to argue with you in this topic,a s I see the argument goes nowhere. This is basically due to the fact that you havent actually read or followed any of ancient inian scriptures, or perhaps I am not able to read your mind... I dunno, neverthless I continue let see where it ends....

What? and your point?<?xml:namespace prefix = o />

and without the computer you could not be reading this. The art of sharing compassion could never be realized ‘10k year ago’ nor is there much to mention about a 25 -35 year average life’s span.

I stand with 2 feet on the ground..

You jumped to conclusion without actally knowing what existed 10K years back didnt you? this is the problem with the people in the western world. they think their development is something which the earth has seen for the first time. When we start to talk abou the civilisation existed 10K years back in India they don even bother to listen. Just like you . But that doesnt change the history does it. Ofcousre there wudnt have been any development in the western world during this time. Eg. when the people in the western world were living in caves and forests with the leaves coverd their bodies, India was flourihsing with the rich civilisation , and 10K years back. Now you can see how MY forefathers lived life without in need of toothplaste to brush their teeth. Open your mind, let the thoughts come in and only then would there be a logical argument

@Bishadi

You said it :[we are all equal to know the total ‘we are conscious’ and until any is humble to learn from all man does the real scope of understanding our existence become real.]<?xml:namespace prefix = o />

You dwindle your words very well, but honestly that doesnt send any messages. Arguments cant be won by that. Clarity and simplicity is required. Simplicity is another name of the God...

You said it :[What ever floats your boat but without the sciences we would never have had this conversation. So get real with living instead of dreaming with theology]

Honestly, if i were given a choice to go back to the vedic times , perhaps 10,000 or more years ao, to live in Bharathvarhsa (you might call it India). I would happily go back. You see what I mean, away from all the chaotic science findings. Such useless discussions on the furums are the result of tumultous mind. Mind which is taken over by the so called science....

You said it :[[i disagree! Most are here to learn and no where does this forum suggest; ‘the truth is left outside.]

First of all i didnt mean you to go way from this forum,. This is open to all. Basically , the westeners take any kind of teaching as the teaching at western schools and unis, wherein one is supposed to read some bunch of books and make some dirty experiments. There actually no idea of Guru and Desciple. But holdon, spirituality cant be gained by reading books, nor did anybody get it in any past. It needs a authorised Guru and the desciple has to humbly seve the guru. In this way when desciple satisfies the guru, would guru transfer the knowledfge, the truth and with the final transcendental spiritual realisation of one being a spirit soul....

You said it:[YouNever was, nor am now. Go onto the physics sites throughout the world, see me telling them they are wrong.

There is no such thing as Dark Matter or Dark Energy and energy is not a difference of potentials. I have been a physics nut since a boy and have been debating this since I was rudely rejected and then left all established learning for one purpose; the truth. I quit learning on there time and have given everything to learn because of care and compassion and a promise was made to finish the final chapter.

Many pursue based on gains, money and recognition; not this one. There is only one purpose; honesty and to give the next generations the chance we did not have. To have the ability to understand how and why we even exist.]

I dun need to search your name in anything whatsoever. I see the passion in you, and that is not congenial for spriritual realisation (if you are interested ). You have to be in the mode of goodness

You said it:[Do you suggest not honoring the works of our fathers?]

What works? which forefathers? if you are talking about those scientists, then i would say the works which gave nothing but destruction and an extra amount of material comfort. The more material comfort comeforth, the more materialistic you become. An the more materialistic you become, ther is a tiniest chance that you would ever go near the absoulte truth, Coz absoulte truth is completely spiritual. Completely teranscendental from the material

You said it: [show me one book ever in the existence of any period on this globe where God wrote something! Ever]

Read Srimad Bhagavadgita, Written by Lord Sri Krishna, I bet you will know once you read it

You said it:[so now my question to you; show me one fib I wrote! And be careful, you know who, is with you and the only thing that can come from you on this will either be of selfish preservation or you show you reduced learning or exposure but if you must, try…. Read everything you can google up on Bishadi and see.

No science is immune nor any sect all over this globe; I say either print the truth or go lay by your dish because the next generation is coming into this world and finally the one single set of understanding is to be known. The majority want the truth and who cares for the BS theology has imposed. “

Who is the most renowned leader in this sect, alive? Bring him into a discussion and let’s see if I can hold true.]

Again word juglary, i cant understand a bit from it. This isnt any selfish preservation. Honestly I do not understand it. Well Its like if use some heavy sankrtih here would you ever be bale to ake any sense of it . But thats not important here. We are not here to show out linguistic superiority. Use simple langauge and you will ge the answers

You said it:[

First, in spirit is where this was born and where I reside in absolution; I know I am a part of this existence and it is only by knowing both does it become real! ]

Spirit is unborn and eternal. Its the part and the parcel of supreme lord. Its transcendental, cant be understoo d by mental speculation. Nor do any of the seses can percieve it . TO know about it, the only way is surrender unto the supreme lord. I did that I understood what am I, the spirit soul and how am I eternal. If you wish to u need to do that, withiout that u can never ever , I bet ......Spiriit (you and I) is existing from the time immemorial , and we will exist for ever. What we change is our body. To come out of this cycel of changin bodies is what wise call as salvation or mukthi. Belive , the sceince or any confort of science cant bring this, indeed can be a hurdle in the the path to that ....

You said it:[Who is the most renowned leader in this sect, alive? Bring him into a discussion and let’s see if I can hold true]

If you want to see the truth, start searching for it like an honest seeker. Nobody is going to bring a spiritual master for you over here in this forum. Stop this bla bla mental speculations. The first step is to search for an authorised spiritaul master ans surrender. Then starts your new life as a Spiritual Scientist......

Hope that brought some light in clear and simple words:)

Hari hari bol