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<< He does all. I agree I am a coward. >> So, a coward should not tell kshatriyas to not fight, if he were wise enough. << Why don’t you take up a gun and do what He wants? Why be angry at others? >> any one with kshatriya spirit will fight according to his/her ability and talent etc. those who choose to not fight physically can also fight intellectually. (every hindu who chooses to fight can fight in some way) can you do it? or your mission is just to cool down the kshatriyas only, or make the hindus so passive like stones that all can kick them, and no one resists? find out what the vedic literature says how to treat the six kinds of aatataayis.

thanks for the post gokulkr. organized aggresive anti-hindu religions should be banned legally in the vedic land. do it with grass root major voting, or do it with kranti.

The Boundaries, Rights, Nationalism, and Dharma By “Maadhav” I have heard an advanced Hare Krishna (HK) saying that HK’s are spiritual communists, not material communists like former USSR or China. Thus some religious groups do not want national boundaries. Some so-called world powers also do not want boundaries, meaning that they want the whole world as their nation. So, the question is, is it possible to have a boundary-less world or society? Or, Is it really desirable? Below is an analytical approach to answer the questions. 1. The creation includes material planets and spiritual planets. The material planets have their boundaries. Each planet is different in many ways: location, size, orbit, environment, etc. The Vedic literature tells that there are many spiritual planets. These planets also are different. The devas worshipped there are different for different planets. The way of worship and the activities of the populations there are different. So, all planets – spiritual or material – have boundaries. 2. Now let us look at one of many planets: The Earth. Within this planet, the nature has made natural boundaries with the mountains, and the rivers. When there was no mechanical means of travel, then the societies used to live within these natural boundaries. And we humans lived almost 99.99999.. % of the life of the human race’s age like that. This living within the natural boundaries caused growth of different cultures. The Vedic culture grew in Bharat. It is very old. Islam and Xianity grew in the deserts. 3. Each culture has its own behavior boundaries. For example: Islam cannot stand the existence of a non-Muslim any where. Islam does not want woman to be seen out of burkha, and Xianity does not mind if women roam almost naked. Islam forbids wine, and Xians cannot live without it. Sanatana Dharma (Hinduism) cannot allow cow killing, and the Xian world has produced millions of cow slaughter houuses. Xianity says we all are sinners, and Hinduism says we are not. Xianity says God is jealous, and Hinduism says God cannot be jealous. Enjoying sex, particularly in the heaven of Islam where they think there are 72 virgins is the most desired happiness for the Muslims. In contrast, Hinduism says, sex pleasure is the least desired for happiness. It says that one after sex cannot go to god or be free from the cycle of births and deaths. So, because of these cultural boundaries, when the cultures touch earth other or mix due to modern high-speed travel means, and then conflicts arise. An Author, Samual Huntington, has written a book - The Clash of the Cultures - about this. 4. In the conflicts of cultures, Xianity has wiped out several cultures of the world. Even now they still kill other cultures, e.g. in the NE part of India. Islam sent invaders to India for 1000 years, and they all slaughtered millions of the Hindus and destroyed thousands of their Vedic temples. The Hindus did nothing like it. 5. Now let us look at the most intimate boundary - the body. Per Hinduism, we the humans (and every living being) are actually the souls within a body. We are not the body. The proof is that we say, "This is my body". No one ever says, "I am this body." So, our material body is our material limit around us, the souls within. Every soul tries to keep its body well functioning, so that the soul can enjoy (jiva) life using the senses of the body. 6. What is the best use of this human body? The different cultures have different answers for this. But on the following things, all agree. a. One should not harm or miss-use the body. b. One should keep the body strong and healthy. c. One should not harm a friend or relative's body. d. One should not commit suicide, nor should kill others, generally. e. One should not take away the freedom of another to move around feely, generally. Thus, we have this body boundary, and it cannot be given up. No sane person says, give up this body boundary. When strong conflicts arise due to clashes of the cultures or interests, then one wants to get the soul of the enemy out of its body boundary. As a general rule, all respect the body boundary of the self and others. 7. Every one wants to do minimum or no labor to keep the body in comfort. The body needs protection from the natural environmental elements and from other living beings. This caused the development of clothes and houses. Every culture developed their own styles of the clothing and houses. Now, a house has a boundary. All want to keep their house in good condition and beautiful. So, in general, all respects the house boundaries. No one wants to remove these house boundaries and live under the sky. This however is possible in some countries like India. Therefore, some Vedic religious sects really do say so. It is not possible, however, to live under the sky in extreme weather countries. 8. Now, when you have a house, you do not want your enemy to live next to you or near you. So, the people of same culture live in same neighborhood. Each person loves his culture, good or bad in the opinion of other. Mexico has a culture of cockfights and dogfights, and gambling, and bullfights. This is unspiritual, and no Hindu likes it. Even some Xians do not like it, but some Mexicans push to preserve this culture. "It is our cultural heritage," they say. A culture is transferred to new generations by living together at a location in a society. The first basic unit of a society is a family, and family lives in a house. 9. When people of a culture live in a neighborhood, then that neighborhood has a boundary. Now, this neighborhood does not want an enemy culture live next to its own neighborhood. This caused the development villages and cities of same cultures. A number of villages and cities of a common culture trade with each other. This caused the rise of nations. Now, a nation does not want an enemy country at its border. But the people of the other cultures cannot go in space. They need to live where they are. As the nations grow in size, their boundaries touch other nations' boundaries. This fact that the earth has limited land to live and a limited resource at certain locations only, is the cause of the conflicts when every one wants more or better land and more resources. 10. We came from a body boundary to nations' boundaries. As long as there is body boundary, there will be nations' boundaries. It is said that all boundaries are political. There is an ancient Vedic saying that money (gold, silver, diamonds, etc.), land, and women are the causes of conflicts. a. As a general rule, one (a person, group, or nation) should not take away another's wife, but some will not honor this rule. Then conflict is inevitable. This is social boundary - one's wife, not everyone's wife. b. As a general rule, a land-owner (person, group, or nation) should not expand his land boundary illegally, but some would do. Then conflict is inevitable. Every land that is owned by some one has a boundary. c. As a general rule, one (person, group, or nation) should not take away another's money or wealth, but some would do. Then conflict is inevitable. The wealth has a legal boundary, whose wealth and how much. The total wealth of the world remains the same. The owners change over time. As a general rule, every one has right to increase one's wealth, and one does not want to illegally take over another's wealth. Some violate this rule, and conflict is inevitable. 11. By now, it should be obvious that conflicts, violent or non violent, cannot be avoided as long as we have bodies. So, if conflicts cannot be avoided, then we should know when to fight and when to not fight, and we should fight to win. Sometimes it is dharma to fight and die, than live without fighting the demoniac asura emeny. 12. Even if a nation has all the people of same culture, there will be conflicts within due to crimes related to illegal possessions or use of wife, wealth, resources, or land. 13. Every culture or nation has somewhat different rules for when to fight and when not to fight. All cultures or nations never stick to their own rules all the times. 14. Every person, or a group, or a nation, small or big, strong or weak, has the right to fight against the demoniac asuric persons or nations or ideologies. 15. When the existence of nations is inevitable and cannot be eliminated, the existence of nationalisms is also inevitable and cannot be eliminated. There are some rules a family lives by. Same for any nation. If one loves, one's self, family, culture, and the mother land, then one loves one's nation, and this love reflects in one's nationalism. So, every one who loves his nation is a nationalist, and most people love their nation. Thus there are American nationalists, British nationalists, Arab nationalists, Hindu nationalists, Israel nationalists, etc. 16. If you love sanatana dharma (Hinduism), what is wrong in loving a nation that is the cradle of Hinduism? Nothing. What is wrong in wishing and making efforts to keep that nation for the Hindus and for the friends of the Hindus? Nothing. If that nation is taken over by Islam or Xianity or any anti Hindus, then Hindus will not have a place to live like Hindus. The Jews roamed as home-country-less for at least 2-3 thousand years till recently when they re-claimed their country - Israel - back. So, my request to the Hindus and all the Vedic people is this: a. Understand the value of sanatana dharma for the people of the world of this and future times. b. Know dharma well and live by it. c. Stop any malpractice of dharma. e. Keep out of Bharat the ideologies that have invaded in Bharat, and are anti-Vedic. f. Preach Hinduism to interested people. g.Declare Islam illegal in India. It is not compatible with Hinduism. There is no wisdom in allowing an enemy to live in your own home. i. Convince the Muslims of India to given up Islam if they want to live in India. j. The followers of the invaded ideology should not be given any benefit of the invasions. k. The invaded ideology has no right to hinder or disrespect our dharma practice in our own homeland. If sanatana dharma is good for all, as we know it, then there is nothing wrong to secure its birthplace - Bharat - as a safe place on this earth where no one can act as an enemy to Hindus or Hinduism. Thus there is nothing wrong in the purpose of the Hindu nationalism. Hinduism is a universal dharma. So, is it possible to have a boundary-less world or society? No. Is a boundary-less world really desirable? No. Not possible. Even if the world comes under one government, it will have many state-nations with different cultures and religions. The wars will happen, and they will be called civil wars. So, any ideology or person that advocates non-violence as the absolute principle is not wise. Krishna in Gita says when to fight.

it is in mahabharat. bhishma tells the importance of it. if you know vishnu's importance, then you will know his names' importance.

<< Krishna did not ask Arjuna to hate either. >> sure, but the main poitn is he saidn him to kill asuras like duryodhan. << The central teaching is that Krishna is all and everything is done by Him only. >> sure, and he has neve said non violence is ana absolute principle. he told arjun to fight when arjun declined to fight. << Muslims have hated and received appropriate results. >> yes, for their benefit. they got pakisa, bangladesh, homes in the vedic land, 9/11, and more. what we hindus got? slaughter of millions of hindus, destructions of thousands of our temples, invaded barbaric ideology in our home land, permanent enemy at the border and within. why we got these? because people like you who spend all the time in preaching the hindus who already are non violent an teh victoms if islam, and who never made a civilized person out of a muslim. did yoy ever spen time on a muslim forum? what you tell them there? what respose you ggot there? << Results will always be appropriate. >> are the above results appropriate for you? are you a hindu or an enemy of hindus? << When Krishna is Brahman, are not all Muslims within him? Then what Muslims do, over that Krishna does not have any control? >> what i see is that people like you are cowards and have no coutrol to save the devabhoomi for the vedic culture. krishna has created kshatriya varna, and you want to eliminate that varna totally, but you have no interest to make sane any barbarian. << Does some group of people and some deeds are outside His purview? The truth is: He is all and He does all. >> and krishna did not say it to arjun (to do nothing). so why someone should listen to you and not krishna? << Bin Laden was finished after he destryoyed Bamiyan Buddhas. >> finished? did you hear spain's train bombngs? << Shree Krishna will create evil to create examples. >> he does not. ignorance and greed, ect does. yiu can say he does, but he tells you to fight, not sit and be happy, and stop/discourage others to fight. << Dvaita has some inbuilt deficiency. It may make man fight against man >> by telling arjun to fight, krishna recommended dvaita. by telling: man manaa mad bhakta, and more, he said dvaita is better. howeer i would not argue about dvaita-advaita. whe you and i both reach at the top, we will know it. << We must one day realize the truth of what Bhushan has pointed out in his post. >> we must one day realize the truth of what krishna has pointed out in gita. is bhushan or you above krishna?

krishna in gita tells about the devas and who worships them. http://www.asitis.com

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this is a hindu forum, no xian. in principle, islam is pitted against all non muslims, and so is xianity against al non xians. so, all xians need to focus on first of converting the muslims to xians. when done, then think of others. else what happened in spain recently will happen in your xian neighborhoods. wishing you best luck in wiping out islam. hinduism is not a threat to any one. so xians need not waste time in worrying about the hindus. could you agree?

<< that is past, the situation was different, people were different and everything was different. >> my dear bhushan ji, islam has not change a bit. who did destroy bamian buddha statue? wo did 9/11? who killed devotees in akshar dham tempel in gandinagar? you want to see picture sna descriptions of what islam has done in recent times? if so, check out the link at http://www/hinduunity.org if the there any lie there, prove it there and here. << Krishna is not a fool, he has done the right thing rather teh scene was different. First thing he was in present and second that was a battlefield. >> krishna is not absent. he is every where, and he speaks to us thru gita. why can you not listen him? this is war time agaisnt islam. islam does terrorism all over the world. it will not spare you if you are a non muslim. US and some other nations have waged open war against this terrorism. hoe can you have any peace when terrorosts are active almost every where? do you take any pride because bharat lost pak and bangaldesh to the muslims? do you know that these partitions did not solve the muslims problem we have? if you are a hard core gandian, you will hard time to understand kshatriya dharma and karma. gandi was not a hindu. he was a jain at heart. for jains, there is no god. and non violence is absolute. for hindus ther eis god, and non- violence is not an absolute principle. the vedic literatures say that the aatataayis must be killed. i am saying that the ideology that is not tolerant cannot be allowed in india. islam is totally intolerant of hinduism, and has invaded in india. it is foolish to allow islam in india. hardely any muslim counry allows hinduism in their land. they will not allow you to enter mecca. so, on that groud, tell your muslims frieds to give up islam if they want to live in your hindu land - bharat. else they can live in a muslim country.

such music cannot help progress spiritually. one who has developed a taste for india's classical music, would not be able to stand such wester music even for a minute. if some one is addicted to such western music, still it would be bettter for him/her if he/she sings/composes devotional songs or chants in such music. but that is a combintion like a combinatin of rose frgrance and onion or fish.

There is no devil per hindu scriptures. there are ghosts, the souls that are with acute desires but without a body to fulfil the desires. they possess weaker souls with bodies sometimes for short periods. saints are able to free a person who is possessed by a ghost. they can free a place occupied by ghost. the association/presence of a saint mostly frees the soul from ghost condition. some ghosts are of good nature. they help others. legend is that a ghost helped tulasidas identify hanuman who helped him identify/meet rama at the chitrakoota ghata.

<< develop love towards everybody irrespective of his religion, caste, creed, countrymen etc. Thanks. >> do you expect by your this statement the muslims of india will develop love towars you and other hindus? if it happens, then they would need to give up islam. if they dont, they did not take your message. do you expect hindus to develop love towards the barbaric aggressor invader ideology whose followers slaughterd millions of hindus? if so, prove you are of sane mind. krishna did not say arjun to develop love for duryodhan. you think krishna was a fool?

<< Krishna and Ram were advaithis..proof from mahabharath >> the above is an oximoron. an advaiti se separate from god, but thinks he is god, and eventually wants to merge in god. god is not separete from god, knows hie is god, and cannot merge in himself. ram and krishna, god himself, did lila as a kings, acting as if they were human. this makes some think they were not god. they will need a few more birth to realize the truth.

<< The Jivatma and the Paramatma are one and those who have realized this are as followes: >> unlike Hk's i would not argue. you and me both will find out when we reach there. for now my sadhana is bhakti. when i realise god and see him in peson, and then if i see you merge in god, even then i would prefer to not merge, and would serve him. i wish you success in your advaita sadhana. just do not try to confuse vaishnavas/bkahtas, please.

your poetic imagination has carried you away from the reality. pray this every day; asato maa sat gamaya tamaso maa jyotir gamaya mrityor maa amritam gamaya

<< As to the Indian Muslim, he might relate to his Hindu brother, for whatever he says, he remains an Indian, nay a Indu; but his religion will make sure that he does not forget that his duty is to hate the Infidel. This is the crux of the problem today and the riddle if Islam has to solved, if it wants to survive in the long run. >> it is a barbaric ideology as it is, and therefore does need to survive, at least on the vedic land. we hindus have to make sure it is out of india. OM kranti..kranti..krantihi

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<< To teach the barbarians you must become one. >> Arjun did not become a barbrian when he fought duryodhan. to win over asuras, anything is fair. << The question now is who will initiate the move in India? >> The concerened hindus, who else would care? << But you must remember that it has to be under legal ground with clear evidence and has to be approved by the court of law and parliment not by hooliganism. >> no, when the power is in the hands of the crooks. your above statemet assumes hat currently it is rama rajya in india, and just decisions can be made. that is not true. concerned hindus (unitedly) need to take action by themselves on the footing of kranti. kranti is nothing but sudden and quick change. it is not a perfect act but it will get the result. << You have to go through the UN and claim the right. >> we owe nothing to UN. UN cannot solve any problem. it is just a stoodge of powerfuls. << The question here is do you have the money and time here? >> the question is, do the readers understand my point? if so, tell to others. make a sincere wish to bring about the change. do something, whatever you could, and make all efforts to unite the hindus, make them aware of the problem and how to solve. no one has cared for our problems. they actually have caused us problems. we owe to us to solve our own problems by our own strength and will. if sanatana dharma has value, and we know it has, then following dharma, directly from gita should get the result we want. afghanistan will be our true friend when they rebuild buddha statua againas it was. china built it in china. why not afghanistan? we need to create an environment in india which whoudl cause the muslims of india to happily remove babri masjid and rebuld rama temple per our vedic direction. when such enviroment is created, most muslims will willingly give up islam if they prefer to live in india. ideology is our enemy, not people. if some barbariands do nto understand, we would have no choice left but strong hand. every hindu who has a muslim friend in india, need to help the muslim to understand that it is not a good idea to hold on to islam in india any more. there are reasons for it and i have talked about them before. islam never had any right to invade india forcibly, and we always have the right to expell the invaded ideology when we know it is enemy to hinduism.

<< In other words. Does god differentiate between someone who commits sinful acts unkowingly and another who leads a sinful act despite having known the truth? >> yes, and no. if a child plays with fire with an intention to have fun. fire would not get cool for the child. if some one drinks poison with the intent to drink juice. the poision will not change its property. if some one kills another without any intention to kill, but kills by innocent mistake, the court may not punish such a man as severely as one kills intentionally. similalry, god also reduces punishment for such acts. reaction of such karma then is milder. in this world every one influences the other to do something or not do something. a culture propagetes when older genertion teaches something to newer genertion. gov.s want people to do something and not do something, and people want gov. to do somethings and not do somethings. a soceity or time is bad when most actions there are akarma - bad karma. bad karma is that which does not produce happiness for good people for longer time. krishna talks in gita about good and bad karma and good and bad people. life is to influence and get influenced. problem happens only when we cause bad influence or get bad influence. please read it.

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a soul or aatma is qualitatively same as supersoul -paramatma - god. quantitatively it is very small just as a spark of fire is very small compared to an inferno. when this soul has desires to enjoy independent of god, then the soul, bundeleld with these disires, is called jiva. jiva thus take takes births among diffferet species. (bodies are described of four kinds: shtoola, sukshma, kara, and mahakaram. at death, generally a jiva quits the material body, but not the other three bodies. that then causes it to take up another body.) when the jiva take a human body, then only it has chance to realize god, and become a pure aatma, free from materialistic desires. hope it helps.

hinduism is a new name of sanatana dharma. sanatana dharma includes vaishnavism among other sampradayas. no hindu would ever say: - chaianya was not a hindu - prabhupada was not a hindu - HK's are not hindus still HK's keep telling they are not hindus, not by any logical argument, but because prabhupada said, "we are not hindus, i am not preaching hinduism." i onlywish he could have said, "i am preaching only one branch of hinduism called vaishnavism or krishna bhakti, and i preach it in its pure form." had has said so, we would not have this problem of disunity in the face of the common enemies. i also understand why he said what he said. but the HK's do not. Hk's need to preach more in the muslim countries, pakistan e.g.

prabhuipada and other aacharyas have said that if you see any contradiction, it is due to your ignorance. it is not in the vedas. he further has said that "we must accept the vedas as they are - all truth." if one rejects one part of the vedas, and another rejects another, then after we will have none. hust knowig a scriouter is not enough. one has to live by it. gita is the 700 verse short summary of the vedas. so it is more than enough to solve our problems. it is very wise to talk about gita only. for a serious follower of dharma a guru is needed.

barney, it seems you hate hinduism. twhat the westeren unsuppressdd women do? roam almost nacked, engage in sex before marriage and even child hood, kill their babies before born, keep etramerital relation even after married, etc. sore, this the vedic culture does not teach.