Bhakta Don Muntean

Well I would ask that you go and find exact posted examples of what you claim: Bhakta Don has lots of explanations for the atrocities committed by Ariel Sharon and other demons. Just take a look at some of the past threads So - to just say that isn't the way it's done. I would say that you're trying to earn points in a dirty manner and - you know most won't go and 'read' these past threads and why don't you point to exact postings? Who are 'you' dear guest and - how can the readers follow your posted opinions and - how much do you 'need' such anonymity? I have noted many things about many things in 'past threads' - if they exist - go find these 'biased' examples [in context of course] and place them on the table here [with URLs] and then we'll talk. You shall also have to create some screen name for yourself - i don't waste too much time with trying to sort the variuos postings of the many ghostly 'guests' hiding in the shadows. Of course - I don't think you shall create any such 'name' by which we can search and compare your various postings.

Very nice posting! I especially liked the succinct explanation of "trotskyites"...

Uhm - why do you care?

Islamist and Islamic are two different terms - with two very different meanings - Islamists do not speak for mainstream Islam - that you cannot understand that - isn't my problem - it's your problem. Quote: It would certainly help if some of these western leaders and banks around the world took a leaf out of this Muhammod Yunus' book. Reply: Actually - it's the Islamist world which should learning the 'proper perspective' out of the example of the noted fellow...

Well for the last five years that's what I've been doing - I have hundreds of postings here that are very critical of Israel and the U.S. on many points - you just choose to deny these postings - it's you who doesn't "condemn ALL such hate mongering" when you defend president psycho of Iran...along with all others of his islamist ilk.

Now it's a "jewish mob" not the 'zionist mob' - yup yer an anti-semite and - not much of a devotee. I'll say it again - Carter is a jack-ass who is making a very big mistake.

Really 'carter' made peace?? There is one difference - the leader of Egypt was an honorble person and the leaders of Iran and Syria are not - what to speak of the leaders of Hamas - the leader of Egypt wasn't hate personified with an islamist agenda - Oh and what was the result of this - for the national leader of Egypt? As for the rest of your posting -

Carter is a jack-ass who doesn't know the facts - or - he does and he's too stupid to see them for what they are...in a "convert or die" scenario - we know what his choice would be... This democrat idiot has a history you know....

Here is our Lord Rama (i call Him 'Ramelshaddai') [which i made in 1996 - i didn't make the shield bow and mace - those were made by my godbrother] - the other two (Gopal Krishna) are the first that i made - in 1990 [i'm not an artist nor very good with crafts - but - i did pull these together and i think they look okay] - please excuse the poor pic quality - they were taken in 'no light' as the halogen spots are too bright - i'm experimenting with manual photos and i may be able to improve low light pics and not moving the camera helps too]

Here is our Lord Rama [which i made in 1996 - i didn't make the shield bow and mace - those were made by my godbrother] - please excuse the poor pic quality - they were taken in 'no light' as the spots are too bright - i'm experimenting with manual photos and i may be able to improve low light pics and not moving the camera helps too]

...i'm no hate monger! Islamists are [hate personified] freaks and that is that.

http://www.honestreporting.com/a/demandAccuracy.asp

The president of iran has more in common [than not] with hitler [than the average hate monger] and - so do you too. At least when it comes to them bent views on jews and their religion etc., you know it and - so do the others who follow these discussions...

- this is the "World Review" thread - not the "Vaishnava Review" thread...

So that is very sad indeed! About five years back I used to think that the neturei karta was a good thing - however - as i learned more about their very limited understandings [and other stuff too] I had to come to understand that the neturei karta are extremists too. *These noted orthodox followers are interpreting that they cannot return to Jerusalem to renew the State - without the messiah. But they should embrace the renewed State - for the following reasons and - more. The children of Ephraim were as archers handling the bow, that turned back in the day of battle. [Psalms 78.9] So best to be not now - like them then. In that day, saith the LORD, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven away, and her that I have afflicted; And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a mighty nation; and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from thenceforth even for ever. [Micah 4.6-7] Of course the messiah that is expected - shall not be seen through any second advent of Jesus - because Jesus isn't the prophetically expected messiah - the 'why not' part of that - is a whole other discussion . So it should be noted that the expected messiah [a complex subject matter] - is a human being - not God - not an incarnation [partial or otherwise] he isn't a demigod - he isn't a 'supernatural' nor divine being at all. - though he is 'different' - in that he has a 'general soul' or - a 'slightly universal' soul. He doesn't have magic powers. Like in the days of old - God shall work the wonders - during the messianic age. So what are a few points about this - in the Prophetic tradition. But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig-tree; and none shall make them afraid; for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken. For let all the peoples walk each one in the name of its god, but we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever. [Micah 4.4-5] In that quote we see that the messianic age - shall be multi-faith. But thou, Beth-lehem Ephrathah, which art little to be among the thousands of Judah, out of thee shall one come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth are from of old, from ancient days. Therefore will He give them up, until the time that she who travaileth hath brought forth; then the residue of his brethren shall return with the children of Israel. [Micah 5.1-2] In that quote we see that the messiah's maternal roots could be traced to this place [Beth-lehem]. To say 'which art little to be among the thousands of Judah' indicates that this was an obscure place - not a place of greatness. It is a misnomer that he is to be born in Beth-lehem - clearly the texts confirm he is born among the exiles. In saying 'out of thee shall one come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth are from of old, from ancient days' confirms that he has been reincarnating toward this point for a long time - 'whose goings forth are from of old, from ancient days'. We also see that Beth-lehem shall not be a part of a State of Israel 'until the time that she who travaileth hath brought forth' or - he is born - the text says 'Therefore will He give them up' - so is he talking about Beth-lehem - the Hebrew people in exile [and thus Jursalem] or - both? The full point is 'Therefore will He give them up, until the time that she who travaileth hath brought forth; then the residue of his brethren shall return with the children of Israel' - so 'them' indentifies - both those in exile and - Beth-lehem. So they 'shall return' to where - to an already renewed and infant State or - to just a geographical location or - both? We must consider that were it not for Jesus and the Faith surronding him - Beth-lehem would certainly have become a nearly deserted and forgotten place [by the time messiah is born somewhere in the exile] and - for Hebrews it [was] is an 'obscure place' a place of 'no mention'. So we have to then ask - when did Beth-lehem again become part of a State of Israel? It was on June 05, 1967 - so 'He [will] give them up, until the time that she who travaileth hath brought forth and - that then should indicate that - he must have to be born just prior to that event. Consider 'He [will] give them up until the time that she who is to give birth has given birth' - the word 'until' is important - so they are no longer 'given up' right after he is born and - if the messiah is to [alone] accomplish all this - how would he do so - as an infant child? So the use of 'until' means that as soon as he is born - no more position of being 'given up' or seperated from the renewed State. We can also add that the formal reclamation of all of Jerusalem could/would also coincide with this noted event: Now why dost thou cry out aloud? Is there no King in thee, is thy Counsellor perished, that pangs have taken hold of thee as of a woman in travail? [Micah 4.9] After that - there is this description in Zechariah 1.14-17: ...so the angel that spoke with me said unto me: 'Proclaim thou, saying: Thus saith the LORD of hosts: I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy; and I am very sore displeased with the nations that are at ease; for I was but a little displeased, and they helped for evil. Therefore thus saith the LORD: I return to Jerusalem with compassions: My house shall be built in it, saith the LORD of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth over Jerusalem. Again, proclaim, saying: Thus saith the LORD of hosts: My cities shall again overflow with prosperity; and the LORD shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem. So that part - 'I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy; and I am very sore displeased with the nations that are at ease; for I was but a little displeased, and they helped for evil.' - that means that God is angry at the nations of the world for it's treatment of His exiled because He was 'but a little displeased' and yet the nations after the exile were to have 'helped for evil' [or helped forward the afflications] and they were 'at ease' with doing so - thus God says 'I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy' - so when we see fruition of the Micah 5.1-2 events we see that God permits all of Jerusalem to be again under an Israeli State. The State of Israel was first reclaimed after WWII - after the well known last general pogrom [directly under the Nazis and other's indirectly] came to an end - as noted in that quote God thinks that the world could have done more to prevent so much loss and instead they were 'at ease' with the Nazis - for too long - and God sanctioned this renewal - but - with this renewed State - there was a line as it were through [dividing] Jerusalem - until 1967. It should be mentioned that many propagandists have taken Zechariah 14.2 - 'For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, but the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.' - to mean that there shall be a future war there and 'the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city' - but this not so - as that was fulfilled in 30 C.E. - with the Exile - it should be noted that Muslim rulers later allowed the reestablishment of a Jewish community in Jerusalem thus 'the residue of the people [that] shall not be cut off from the city' means that even after the exile the people were being enabled by God - for a return to a former status as a State or - the end of the Exile! In text 3-4 we read that sometime after the exile comes "The Day of the Lord" - we note this point in texts three and four: Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when He fighteth in the day of battle. And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleft in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, so that there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. So God indeed left mercy and an open door through this 'residue of the people [that] shall not be cut off from the city' - so that means that at some point [after the 30 C.E. exile] - the residue of the exile again comes to Jerusalem. Additionally - if the world ends up in a sorry state over this point - there may well come this 'vist' - that produces a mountain dividing earthquake - so - in text 7 we read - And there shall be one day which shall be known as the LORD'S, not day, and not night; but it shall come to pass, that at evening time there shall be light. - of course we 'everyone' have choices - that impact everything. So to the point again - there must have been a State of Israel - already in existence and intended by God - before the time of his birth - as noted by 'then the residue of his brethren shall return with the children of Israel' - it means that there is a State for him and his family and 'the children of Israel' to return to. So yes these are my humble interpretations but - it could well be that he is already here - what aspects of the future of the State of Israel [and the world] are to be impacted by his appearance - is another discussion. One thing is sure - whenever it is that he is born - there must have been a State of Israel - already in existence and intended by God [with a securing of Beth-lehem and [all of] Jerusalem with the timing of his birth] - before the time of his birth - as noted by 'then the residue of his brethren shall return with the children of Israel' - it means that there is already a State for him and 'the residue of his family' and 'the children of Israel' to return to. We can see within this last quote [and through the other's so far] that there is a clear allusion to an exisiting Jerusalem and State - to the seeming surprise of God [and the remant of the people who later begin to return] some time before messiah is born - further - we've seen that God is to show-up in anger - which is noted as being - directed toward the nations - for their helping forward the afflictions of His exiled - when He was 'only a little displeased' - so - at the end of the last and worst pogrom [nazi] God indeed 'showed up' to reclaim Jerusalem and - as expected and 'planned' - He was 'surprised' to see some of His exiled - already there and - because He was sore displeased with the nations - for their 'at ease' adventures in the continual pogroms - He was pleased with finding some remant of His exiled there and He thus began the process - for messiah to be born and - coinciding it with the removal of the dividing-line through Jerusalem: And the word of the LORD of hosts came, saying: 'Thus saith the LORD of hosts: I am jealous for Zion with great jealousy, and I am jealous for her with great fury. Thus saith the LORD: I return unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem; and Jerusalem shall be called The city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts The holy mountain. Thus saith the LORD of hosts: There shall yet old men and old women sit in the broad places of Jerusalem, every man with his staff in his hand for very age. And the broad places of the city shall be full of boys and girls playing in the broad places thereof. Thus saith the LORD of hosts: If it be marvellous in the eyes of the remnant of this people in those days, should it also be marvellous in Mine eyes? saith the LORD of hosts. [Zechariah 8.1-6] So later - when the House of The Lord is reestablished by the Lord [and ONLY by the direct efforts of messiah not just the State itself can do this - and it musn't be through violence] - we note this point: Take with you words, and return unto the LORD; say unto Him: 'Forgive all iniquity, and accept that which is good; so will we render for bullocks the offering of our lips. [Hosea 14.3] One sad part of this is that messsiah's appearance shall be marked with spurious claims by others - that he is the anti-christ/al-dajjal. * http://www.audarya-fellowship.com/forums/world-review/412156-orthodox-jews-demand-end-zionist-atrocities-middle-east.html So I wonder if Rabbi Moishe Aryeh Friedman really understands these things and if he doesn't - why not?

Yes it's quite...simple for the simple - difficult for the twisted...

Good point about 'anger' - that - taken with the question of 'ego' shall be the defining point in this. Once back in 1997 we had this common house fly in our apt - he was alone and he was always flying around trying to pester us - he was trying to play - anyway - he was a clever and a neat fly - he survived for almost a month [on a small bowl of sugar water] and then one morning i was angry and he kept flying around me and because i was angry and it was an annoyance i grabbed the newspaper and well the rest is a sad story. I felt very nasty and low right after i did that and - as a result - i learnt a great deal [most importantly about myself] in that experiance. How often do people 'off' bugs in anger because of a simple annoyance? Often with the sense of subtle 'ego' and having a sense of power over that creature - to terminate it - without doubt there are even some places in our world where people 'off' hapless people - in the exact same egoistic and angry manner - as most others do to simple little bugs. Some people really are 'death personified' for these little creatures! I had another neat experience some years later - in the workplace - often few flies would get into the office and rather than catch them and let them go - my co-workers would hunt them [as people tend to do with flies] and as time went on i would 'protect' the flies [try to catch some of them for release] and it didn't take long for them to figure out if they were being chased - to fly over to my desk - as they would not be terminated there. It really got the attention of my co-workers! Yes there are times that we may have to do the needfull and remove various pests and rodents - but - we should never do it in anger. Also as noted in this thread - when doing this - we have to see to it in each time and circumstance the why and how is in proper perspective. One should treat animals such as deer, camels, asses, monkeys, mice, snakes, birds and flies exactly like one’s own son. How little difference there actually is between children and these innocent animals. [sB 7.19.9]

....oh by the way - this posting is off-topic don't ya know...

...doing NOTHING as the islamic revolution gains total control over the region....

Neturei Karta...a very small and radical group - one that has failed to understand many things - with the result being that they are on side with the terroirists in the dissolution of Israel....and what a lack of class for them to go to Iran for such a gathering of hate mongers.

...you know darn well what i mean - as one example - the president of iran accepts the protocals of the elders of zion as some factual historical zionist document - [just like you do?!] and - why do so many islamists ascribe to "socialism" as a means to buy the palestinian and lebanese populations?

Yes - that appears to be the situation...a war to induce their islamic revolution.

"Iran opened a conference on Monday to examine the Holocaust and question whether Nazi Germany used gas chambers to kill Jews...The conference was inspired by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad..." http://ca.news./s/reuters/061211/world/international_iran_holocaust_dc Yup - me thinks he's going to hell...

...anyway - this is an old issue and i'm not interested in it now.