Bhakta Don Muntean

I've been pointing that out in these threads since during the war...

http://www.understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=rarticle&raid=275 ...how long before you convert?

No - he only posts in a manner which tries to make his islamist associates look good...

Kula cannot hide the fact that he's taken up an apologist position for the islamists - clearly that has long been the case. I can copy and paste a great deal of direct statements from him to confirm that. He also ignores the islamic revolution - even when the islamists confirm that is their agenda - he still calls them freedom fighters...

You say chemical weapons - that is not proven and - even if...how would you fight irregular fighters [like the islamists]who are bent on nothing less than your termination? You think that the "holocaust" was a collective jewish karma - that says it all about your support for these pigs called islamists - funny how you are critical of Israel but not of the islamists - you think the latter are a providential godsend to 'deal with them jews' - isn't that correct? You've not said a word about the ballbearing and shrapnel plate laden rockets the hezbollah fired - was that not against "Geneva conventions"?

Well blame the irregular fighters [whom you support] for fighting unconventionally and - from within population centers - you know how the islamists operate - so - they have created a problem for themselves. Ask yourself - what kind of weapons are they trying for - we know the answer to that ... I wonder if the red cross is invesitgating and condemning that hezbollah loaded all their rockets with ballbearings and shrapnel plates? It should be again noted that these rockets were directed at civillian population centers - where there were no IDF soldiers 'hiding out'! These ballbearings and shrapnel plate laden rockets were not directed to attack other soldiers - they were directed at civillians - with little chance of affecting the IDF - YES - hezbollah knew this and - that was their without honor heinous plan - kill as many Israeli civillians as possible. Do you care about that?

You missed the point?

We don't all get what we deserve - you know there is a first time - in terms of the perpetration of abuses. Heck if we take your position then the Iraqis are getting what they deserve and the palestinians are getting what they deserve - right? Doesn't your logic go two directions? So we see it again you think that the Jewish peoples collectively deserved the nazi persecutions and extermination - you are saying that. Yes there are hopes in some bent freaks for "MORE" - as there are many lost souls out there making plans for another "Jewish Holocaust" and - there are many more out here making excuses for it!

When peeling carrots - do you peel them away from you or - toward you? Do you whittle or carve the carrot's peelings away?? Which is best?

How can you say that there is an "element of GOD in thier whatever doings" - the Islamists no more respect God - than hiranyakashipu respected Brahma! There is NO GOD among the Islamists - if they pray and there are seeming answers to these 'prayers' it must be disembodied demons that are responding. It is a fool's paradise which people are living in should they think that the Islamist program or - those who ascribe to it - have ANY redeeming qualities... Please don't live in that fool's paradise...

All Glories to Swami Maharaj Damodara! :eek3::eek3: How very sad! Ten years ago I met His Holiness - he was a wonderful example of a guru and a bhakta - I hope that God REALLY curses those responsible for that terror attack! [THEY KNOW WHOM IT WAS YET?]

I think that there is something to that. Too many people have taken initation cheaply - after some time they return to their former lives of maya. Prabhupada was clearly affected by having initiated so many that turned out to fall down or otherwise become offenders - he decided to stop eating for some time before he left - he wanted to leave - what does that say? It would seem that some of these gurus are being lost to that cheap arrangement. Some gurus are also lost to maya - if there is not a serious enough desire in those taking intiations - then God shall send a cheater to cheat them. He won't be sending anymore 'nice' gurus to take on all the disease and offences of such followers who take it all too cheaply. One part of the issue is that despite that we are given the answers which we need in the vani of Srila Prabhupada - either we don't trust those teachings to be enough or they may be out-moded or we're just too lazy to read them - so we try to find a guru to 'hear' from - such hearing means less efforts on our part of course - then later we find that we still don't have the answers that we need. We have to ask ourselves - do we want a relationship with a guru for real teaching or - do we just want to have some kind of groopie relationship "my guru says" sort of thing? I would say that in ISKCON right now the trend aught to move away from initiations and gurus and focus more on 'teachers' and a teaching of the vani of Srila Prabhupada. If one doesn't really understand the breadth and the length of these teachings - then - one usually then starts having a desire to hear from 'other' gurus - ones that tend to have a different focus [and purity] than Srila Prabhupada.

Very good posting Bhakta Harry! Very good indeed! I very much enjoyed reading this posting of yours - you've taken a very proper approach to this issue in your posting!

"...If you want to be cheated, Krsna will send you to a cheater. Krsna is superintelligent. If you are a cheater, He will cheat you perfectly. But if you are actually sincere, then He will give you the right guidance..." [Prabhupada December 07, 1973] So if one's guru falls down - it may not be 'all about the guru'! We do need a guru [AND NOT ONE THAT CLAIMS TO BE GOD] and we have one in the vast teachings of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta - even if we have an external 'guru' - we still have to learn everything - from Prabhupada's books - so then - it is important to the well being of one's faith - to understand Prabhupada and to avail oneself [not of those which Prabhupada warned us away from either] of advanced devotees [where needed] to do that - but - to be certain - the only thing that is going to really give us the instructions we need and - at the times we need it - are Prabhupada's books. For the most part - with the vedabase and - a search one can adduce the meanings of points in Prabhupada's books quite quickly. If we have a vapu guru - we shall not be with him all the time shall we - then what do we do? So better to get a vedabase and start to have a digital guru disciple relationship with the vani of Srila Prabhupada. Here is an older download of a free vedabase! FREE and FULL SEARCHABLE VERSION of BOOKS ETC., CHECK IT OUT: http://www.winsite.com/bin/Info?26500000037010 Later - if we want a guru for the formality of the matter - then so be it - but - better to first have a very firm faith and understanding - without need for an 'external' guru.

...any hindu who sells his cow and that cow ends up in the slaughterhouse ain't no hindu - they are fallen and - can they get up?

Hi tackleberry!

Hi tackle-berry!

Hare Bolo! Good to hear from you - how's it going? Well I hope!

...well i'll avoid getting into the standard goading-type discussions with you so as to not give you any opportunity to post in such a manner to induce that. Threads shouldn't be 'closed' just because you don't agree with the subject matter of them - such a censor you want to be!

So the world today is told that hezbollah has 25000 rockets and - a continued desire to use them - shame on the world for dropping the ball on this issue [with all the phoney outrage] for not [helping] letting Israel complete the task during the conflict - of bringing and end to their irregular fighting. Such a joke now isn't it - of course - the hezbollah have not changed their minds about anything - they intend to attack again. Just like Hamas - they are not ever going to recognize Israel's right to exist[?]. Well the free world is going to say that hezbollah and hamas have no right to exist. They are irregular fighting groups and as such do not have the legitimacy and honor needed to do the right thing - so how does that make them feel? Imagine you are Israel and you're having to make peace with such a recklessly determined collective one that doesn't think you have a right to exist - what a stranded starting point! Can people see what that might be like? So where does this all go now? Yes the ceasefire was too soon!

...cool...shall it ever become a DVD and - is that other one "Hanuman" yet a DVD - i wonder where to get them?

That is the only part of your posting which rings true....

I'm sure that YOU have no issue with this words - to quote that Hoffman: It is patent that if it were left to what passes today for the flower of western civilization's intelligentsia, the Irvings, Zundels and Rudolfs would rot in their cells, and the Germans would continue to abort and contracept themselves into extinction. Who in our vaunted, cultured, Christian, western ranks, be he pope, prince or president, would dare intervene with the Judaic "fatwa" issued against the German people through the cunning device of perpetual "Holocaust" hype? Well, when did submitting to the Talmudically-crazed rabbis ever bring sanity or salvation to the west? For that we must look to a black-bearded Persian, a despised follower of that "evil and inhuman" Muhammad. Rather than repay evil with evil, the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has offered good for evil.

...as if you didn't know about Hoffman and what he stands for whatever suchandra...and - that says it all - if that is what you did - posted it without reading -[shaking my head].

Here you are - name calling again - why don't you just go to Iran and join them - you belong there - even I can see that. As for my zealotry and my being a bigot - i do doubt it - of course it is true what I said and - did I say that Muslims were bad? NO. I just said that many many many of them have a difficult time respecting hindus and others - YES - there are many christians who are the same. Heck there are hare krishna's who peddle hate - right here! - so when you write - "you castigate all Muslim's as being incapable of reason" - I didn't do that so quit trying to smear me on things I haven't done. You're a lost cause and BTW - you're not supporting muslims - you're supporting Islamists - deny deny deny that all you want - but - your ongoing words say otherwise - dear lady.