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http://vedabase.net/bg/7/7/en SrIla PrabhupAda: Yes. Our knowledge is perfect. If I say that heat is the energy of KRSNa, you cannot deny it, because it is not your energy. In your body there is some certain amount of heat. Similarly, heat is someone's energy. And who is that person? That is KRSNa. KRSNa says, "Yes, it is My energy." So my knowledge is perfect. Because I take the version of the greatest scientist, I am the greatest scientist. I may be a fool personally, but because I take knowledge from the greatest scientist, I am the greatest scientist. I have no difficulty. Bob: Excuse me? SrIla PrabhupAda: I have no difficulty in becoming the greatest scientist because I take the knowledge from the greatest scientist. [There is a long pause.] "This earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence and ego--they are My eight separated energies." Bob: They are separated energies? SrIla PrabhupAda: Yes. Just like this milk. What is this milk? The separated energy of the cow. [syAmasundara and Bob, stunned, laugh in realization.] Is it not? It is the manifestation of the separated energy of the cow. SyAmasundara: Is it like a by-product? SrIla PrabhupAda: Yes. Bob: So, what is the significance of this energy's being separated from KRSNa? SrIla PrabhupAda: "Separated" means that this is made out of the body of the cow but it is not the cow. That is separation. Bob: So, this earth and all is made out of KRSNa but it is not KRSNa? SrIla PrabhupAda: It is not KRSNa. Or, you can say, KRSNa and not KRSNa simultaneously. That is our philosophy. One and different. You cannot say that these things are different from KRSNa, because without KRSNa they have no existence. At the same time, you cannot say, "Then let me worship water. Why KRSNa? The pantheists say that because everything is God, whatever we do is God worship. This is MAyAvAda philosophy--that because everything is made of God, therefore everything is God. But our philosophy is that everything is God but also not God. Bob: So what on earth is God? Is there anything on earth that is God? SrIla PrabhupAda: Yes. Because everything is made out of the energy of God. But that does not mean that by worshiping anything you are worshiping God. Bob: So what is on earth that is not mAyA [illusion]? It is... SrIla PrabhupAda: MAyA means "energy." Bob: It means energy? SrIla PrabhupAda: Yes. MAyA--and another meaning is "illusion." So foolish persons accept the energy as the energetic. That is mAyA. Just like sunshine. Sunshine enters your room. Sunshine is the energy of the sun. But because the sunshine enters your room, you cannot say that the sun SrIla PrabhupAda: Just wire. Bob: So if I build a statue of KRSNa, it is not KRSNa unless... SrIla PrabhupAda: It is KRSNa. But you have to know the process of understanding that it is KRSNa. It is KRSNa. Bob: It is not just earth and mud. SrIla PrabhupAda: No. Earth has no separate existence without KRSNa. KRSNa says, "My energy." You cannot separate the energy from the energetic. It is not possible. You cannot separate heat from fire. But fire is different from the heat, and heat is different from the fire. You are taking heat; that does not mean you are touching fire. Fire, in spite of emanating heat, keeps its identity. Similarly, although KRSNa, by His different energies, is creating everything, He remains KRSNa. The MAyAvAdI philosophers think that if KRSNa is everything, then KRSNa's separate identity is lost. That is material thinking. For example, by drinking this milk, little by little, when I finish, there is no more milk; it has gone to my belly. KRSNa is not like that. He is omnipotent. We are utilizing His energy continually; still He is there, present. Just like a man begetting children unlimitedly, but the man is there. A crude example. It's not that because he has produced hundreds of children, he is finished. So, similarly, God or KRSNa, in spite of His unlimited number of children, is there. pUrNasya pUrNam AdAya pUrNam evAvaziSyate "Because He is the complete whole, even though so many complete units emanate from Him, He remains the complete balance." This is KRSNa consciousness. KRSNa is never finished. KRSNa is so powerful. Therefore He is all-attractive. This is one side of the display of KRSNa's energy. Similarly, He has unlimited energies. This study of KRSNa's energy is only one side, or a portion only. So in this way, if you go on studying KRSNa, that is KRSNa consciousness. It is not a bogus thing--"maybe,perhaps not." Absolutely! It is! SyAmasundara: And the study itself is never finished. SrIla PrabhupAda: No. How can it be? KRSNa has unlimited energy. http://vedabase.net/iso/invocation/en

Rust on iron. I'm stealing that one.

Didn't some visitors on a number of occasions prove that Mohammed (PBUH) was the Kalki avatara?

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One must remember that Lord Krishna is not just the incarnation that manifested through Mahavishnu 5,000 years ago, but He is also the original all-encompassing Sri Krsna upon whose existence everything else and everyone else exist. In a way the incarnation of Lord Krishna comes from Mahavishnu, yet in another way Mahavishnu is an expansion of Sri Krsna. This is how the apparent paradox in scripture is to be understood. This is explained more clearly in the following Srimad-Bhagavatam verse: http://vedabase.net/sb/1/3/28/en

Material opulence tends to puff people up - the beautiful, the rich and powerful, and of course the intelligent atheists. Their mind is the be-all and end-all. We must have compassion. Simply point out that the finite cannot grasp the infinite, the bucket of synapses in the brain cannot contain the unlimited. The heart is the organ capable of realizing religious truth. They will want to juggle words. Avoid that fruitless game. Not even a saint can realize God with words.

Jesus advises us in Matthew 6: 24No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. 25Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than food, and the body more than raiment? 26Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? 27Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? 28And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 29And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? 31Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. 34Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof. In the beginning I wore dark brown corduroy pants and a matching dark brown corduroy untucked shirt, incessantly almost like a uniform. Later it became beige pants and untucked white shirts. Now it's just whatever I grab (trying to remember the above quote and becoming a lily of the field). Would be nice to go back to the comfortable cords though someday (beige for summer and dark brown for winter), but I never buy clothes, just wear what time has accumulated. Eyeliner? Is that a Green Day or Alice Cooper influence? Undercover Brother, Krsna will present you as He likes. Give Him a chance, and some chants.

The soul is beyond space and time. When illusioned, the soul through the influence of ahankara develops coverings, subtle and material, according to nature's karmic laws, and the soul falsely identifies with this false-ego body, forgetting its true eternal nature and all previous false-egos from time immemorial. Under such stupefying illusion, the soul can easily feel itself the controller of the material body, the enjoyer of its world. Hence the feeling of enjoyment separate from God is thus achieved. There is the soul - at the heart of the matter.

Atma usually means 'soul', that which is eternal, unborn and is the essence of every living being. Here is how it is translated in various verses: http://vedabase.net/a/atma

Yes, it is certainly blasphemy to pretend to speak with the power of the Holy Spirit when Justasking is still just asking, speculating. She has a bag of words, but no idea who the Holy Spirit is. Giving such poseurs audience is simply a waste of time. They write about things they know nothing about - absolutely no sincerity or integrity - the Holy Spirit will shun such a pretender. There is no desire to please God; it is all simply ego aggrandizement (typical Christianity twice-born Messiah Complex).

Unfortunately it is the 'Christians' who are being described as 'unbelievers', the children of Satan. A real Christian is very rare, as is a real Hindu or Muslim. Most people never get beyond the words of their books, just too busy having fun, threading camels through the eyes of needles.

Humility If Krsna were here we would be most humble in His glorious presence, dwarfed by His magnificence. When we are not that humble, then surely He cannot be here; or at least we are not aware of His presence - since we are too busy being rulers of all that we survey. Humble is our true state; all other levels of pride are mere concoctions. Quite suffice it is just to BE ......... an eternal servant of Sri Krsna. Gaurahari

Just happen to have a Bruce Almighty clip: <a href=http://canoeparts.ca/KINGDOM/BruceAlmighty-01.mpg>H E R E</a>

LOL - not that I'm given to cliche. But thanks for the chuckle.

So puffed-up!

A Dish of Good Words Purify the ego, the source of the anger. They can only ridicule the body and mind - things that you are not. No one can insult the soul.

No. I ain't in Alachua. Yet. I see, another humility contest - well, I am not fit to groom the flea on Prabhupada's dog.

Watched a few minutes of Baraka. It was very promising. Thank you. I hope it'll play at work. They made Siddhartha into a movie. It is very mellow, but may sustain a wife's interest as it rolls through the modes of nature. In my life, my two false egos have battled over domination of my soul: the penniless sitar player and the (rich but) Evil Maharaja. My soul had to chose between the two - fortunately I made the right decision, just as the heroine in "Moulin Rouge" does (or does she?). At the end of the flick, I quite literally burst into uncontrollable tears and sobbing in front of absolute strangers when I realized just how kind Krsna had been to me. It's a love story - a cilnical examination of love in outrageous humour and song. It is not for a sannyasi, but a wife would love it. It won the Oscar, but viewers either loved it or hated it. My conclusion was that lovers will love it.

Now the DVD police are sure to invade this thread too.

It will be yet another useless trivial squabble over words with a juggler. Reference "Puffed-Up" thread and save yourself the pain; soon you will be reading aparadha against AC Bhaktivedanta by one not fit to groom his dog, let alone divine on sastra.

Hari! Hari!

If Krsna is not there, then we are puffed-up. This is our major disease - the illusion of being masters of all that we survey. Ahankara is the monstrous puffing potency. Stand and fight, O Mighty-armed.

My perception has been that the four regs are natural; that is, the soul just doesn't desire these nonsense things. It's all that dust on the mirror of the heart. I think it would be very wrong to think the regs aren't necesaary. We need to know where the road is, and acknowledge when we're off course.

I've heard through the internet scuttlebutt over the years that when asked, Srila Prabhupada said "If I told you, you wouldn't believe it". Please forgive me if I am spreading yet another old wives' tale.

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