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Lecture: http://www.indiadivine.org/support/index.php?_m=downloads&_a=viewdownload&downloaditemid=7

Unborn - no origin. Debate concluded.

Maybe we skipped these Bhagavatam references given earlier: http://vedabase.net/sb/7/1/33/en http://vedabase.net/sb/10/74/50/en Clearly, "Jaya and Vijaya have come to Vaikuntha from the material world and have become associates of the Lord relatively recently" does not necessarily mean that they were admitted into Vaikuntha after Lord Nrsmha killed Hiranyakasipu, if that was the inference.

So we sit for an eternity in the brahmajyoti in a slumber state. Then we somehow become agitated into consciousness and turn toward maya. Then we travel up and down and all around 8,400,000 species of life in the material world until we either return to the brahmajyoti (where it all starts all over again) or we advance to Vaikuntha (where we stay forever). I must now consider what effect this new history has on my life right this moment.

Saddam versus Hiranyakasipu, ..... battle of the demons. Which one came from Vaikuntha?

The best Nepalese hashish and weed promoted by Lord Visnu?

I fear it is all wasted time, since my mind, my words cannot touch eternity. I am just not equipped to juggle my words there.

Time and tatastha. Do not all the jivas pour into either the spiritual world or material world immediately? What are the mechanics of the tatastha region and the unborn jivas?

CC Madhya 20.107<BLOCKQUOTE><CENTER><FONT COLOR=RED>nitya-siddha kRSNa-prema ‘sAdhya' kabhu naya zravaNAdi-zuddha-citte karaye udaya </CENTER> nitya-siddha--eternally established; kRSNa-prema--love of KRSNa; sAdhya--to be gained; kabhu--at any time; naya--not; zravaNa-Adi--by hearing, etc.; zuddha--purified; citte--in the heart; karaye udaya--awakens. <B></FONT> "Pure love for KRSNa is eternally established in the hearts of the living entities. It is not something to be gained from another source. When the heart is purified by hearing and chanting, this love naturally awakens.</B></BLOCKQUOTE>

So the nitya-siddha mahA-bhAgavata, they come from the spiritual world on the order of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and they, by example, they preach KRSNa Consciousness. This is mahA-bhAgavata. By suffering, by example, everything, they look like ordinary men, but mahA-bhAgavata. How it is tested? Never forgets KRSNa. This is mahA-bhAgavata nitya-siddha. And sAdhana-siddha means those who are put into this material world, by the association of mahA-bhAgavata, if he tries, follows, then he can also become mahA-bhAgavata or nitya-siddha, because <B>originally everyone is nitya-siddha. nitya-siddha kRSNa-bhakti ‘sAdhya' kabhu naya zravaNAdi-zuddha-citte karaye udaya Every living entity originally nitya-siddha, but somehow or other, just like Jaya-Vijaya, fell down in this material world, and he was delivered also, both of them were delivered. So although you have fallen in this material world, and suffering the pangs of material existence, janma-mRtyu-jarA-vyAdhi [bg. 13.9], on account of accepting this material body, still, KRSNa personally comes</B>, yadA yadA hi dharmasya glAnir bhavati bhArata [bg. 4.7]. This is glAniH, discrepancies. We are living this material existence, this is not real life. Real life is to become mahA-bhAgavata.

So people are being controlled by the three kinds of material nature, and if they do not follow the shastric injunction, then he will concoct, he will create something according to his position, either in the tamo-guNa or rajo-guNa or sattva-guNa. But those, means superficially doing something in the tamo-guNa, he will not be successful. He will not be successful. YaH zAstra-vidhim utsRjya vartate kAma... He is going on, conducting himself under the influence of the same modes of nature, material nature, which he has naturally adopted from his birth. There are... We have discussed all these, this verse, that sad-asad-janma, yoni-janmasu. KAraNaM guNa-saGgo 'sya [bg. 13.22]. Everyone is getting a particular type of body. So one may say, "This body is very nice, this body is not so nice and this body is very good." So why it is so? Because according to the association of the material nature. After all, the living entity falls down from the spiritual world. Just like Jaya-Vijaya. There is possibility, if you do not stick to the spiritual principle, even if you are in VaikuNTha, you will fall down, what to speak of this material world? Because in the VaikuNTha or in the spiritual world, no contaminated soul can stay there. He will fall down. Now, when the spirit soul falls down? Just like Jaya-Vijaya. Jaya and Vijaya became asuras. They fell down from VaikuNTha. But they became asuras under the circumstances. That is mentioned we were reading BhAgavata the Kazyapa RSi, his wife... Diti? What is the name of? Anyway, she was very lusty during the sandhyA, just at the point of evening, the day's passing. So she wanted sex with her husband. He said, "No, this is not the time. This is not the time." But she was so lusty she obliged the husband to have sex life with her, and the result was two asuras were born. We have to take so much care. You see? According to the time, according to circumstances... Therefore the Vedic principle has got garbhAdhAna-saMskAra. To beget a child, it requires also reformation--time, mentality, situation. So... Not like cats and dogs. So, creating the background very nicely, sattva-guNa, they will beget a child. That child will come, some great man, some great devotee. So everything has got the material relationship, how to do it. That is zAstra. So you do it, but follow the shastric injunction. So the shastric injunction, so far is concerned, as it is said here, that is sAttvikI, rAjasI, tAmasI. The example is: just like the same fire spark is falling down from the blazing fire... You have seen the sparks. There are sparks, fire sparks, with the blazing fire. Now, the sparks sometimes fall down outside the fire. So take the fire as spiritual world, and the spark is in the spiritual world, within the fire, but sometimes it falls down. Now, when it falls down it comes in the material world and... Now what kind of falldown it is? Now, the spark may fall down in dry grass. As soon as it falls down in dry grass, there is chance of igniting fire in the dry grass--sattva-guNa. That is sattva-guNa. And if the fire spark falls down on the ground, then for some time it looks like fiery, but again it becomes extinguished. That is rajo-guNa. And if the fire sparks falls down in water--immediately finished, no more fire. So that is the distinction, the tamo-guNa, rajo-guNa and sattva-guNa. So those who are in the tamo-guNa, they are hopeless. They can do something, waste time, but being in the tamo-guNa, just like the spark being in the water... Water and fire, they are two opposite. So if one remains in tamo-guNa, he has no chance of coming out to become fire again. There is no chance. So therefore the process is to bring from the tamo-guNa to rajo-guNa, and from rajo-guNa to sattva-guNa, and then surpass sattva-guNa. That is spiritual platform. This is the way. So if you stick to the tamo-guNa principle, then there is no hope of spiritual realization. There is only hope of becoming hogs and dogs and like that. Their life is finished. So those who are trying to come to the platform of spiritual realization, God realization, they must stick to the sattva-guNa principle. Otherwise it is hopeless. It is not hopeless. Nothing is hopeless. It will take very, very long time. Therefore in the Bhagavad-gItA you will find the statement, bahUnAM janmanAm ante jJAnavAn mAM prapadyate: [bg. 7.19] "After many, many births, when one is actually wise..." Wise means in the sattva-guNa platform. "Then he surrenders to KRSNa." Then the beginning of spiritual life is there, and he may finish this course of spiritual understanding even in this life, simply by understanding KRSNa. Janma karma me divyaM yo jAnAti tattvataH, tyaktvA dehaM punar janma naiti mAm eti kau... [bg. 4.9]. Everything is there, described. So try to understand Bhagavad-gItA very nicely, and even in this life you can finish your job of spiritual self-realization and may go back to home back to Godhead. Thank you very much. [break]

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This explains the progression of faith that is known as Hinduism: http://geocities.com/caitanyamahaprabhu/garland1.htm

You have to write a short direct response to the publications stating your true views. If it is English/Italian/Spanish/French, we can help you here.

Yes, existence. Really, only Sri Krsna has it. We all, everything that is, we all just borrow a little piece of his existence to survive. In God, of God, yet somehow unique and separate, such is our position. http://vedabase.net/bg/7/7/en

Go out into the country at night and gaze at the stars. It's a big, big world.

I don't see this as a logical deduction. Frankly, I am not sure that I am not initiated. Nor am I sure that I am qualified to be anyone's disciple. Nor am I sure that I am not surrendered and serving guru. I can only wait for each moment's mercy. But I do not fear or doubt my path or status.

As with anything, it can be devotional or it can be more <a href=http://canoeparts.ca/KINGDOM/GARY target=new>teardrops in the ocean of eternity</a>, The difference is the cause, the motivation.

Surely, intelligent vaisnavas see the reason that the rtvik cult avoid addressing this simple truth that evaporates the foundation of their cult. One seems to need to completely abandon reason. It has become bitterly obvious to the world that there is a major psychosis involved - and separation, disillusion are likely lying at the cause. Soon Prabhupada will be deified and a new cult of the trinity will emerge. But none of it will ever change Srila Prabhupada's 'clear' words above.

Srila Prabhupada explained the use of the word 'ritvik' in blue. This is not rocket science. There was no ritvik system: PrabhupAda: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating AcAryas. TamAla KRSNa: Is that called Rtvik-AcArya? PrabhupAda: Rtvik, yes. SatsvarUpa: Then what is the relationship of that person who gives the initiation and the... PrabhupAda: He's guru. He's guru. SatsvarUpa: But he does it on your behalf. PrabhupAda: Yes. That is formality. Because in my presence one should not become guru , so on my behalf, on my order... AmAra AjJAya guru haJA [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. Be actually guru, but by my order. SatsvarUpa: So they may also be considered your disciples. PrabhupAda: Yes, they are disciples. Why consider? Who? TamAla KRSNa: No, he's asking that these Rtvik-AcAryas, they're officiating, giving dIkSA. Their... The people who they give dIkSA to, whose disciple are they? PrabhupAda: They're his disciple. TamAla KRSNa: They're his disciple. PrabhupAda: Who is initiating. He is granddisciple. SatsvarUpa: Yes. TamAla KRSNa: That's clear. SatsvarUpa: Then we have a question concer... PrabhupAda: When I order, "You become guru," he becomes regular guru. That's all. He becomes disciple of my disciple . That's it.

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I get it now. It's a staring contest.

It's time to get beyond the mind and words, time to do as we say and as Srila Bhaktivinoda says in the following link about truly swan-like men: http://geocities.com/caitanyamahaprabhu/garland1.htm