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O I do so bring out the wolf under the sheep's clothing - don't I? Dismantling the facade of scholarship and discussion, laying bare the pool of stagnant aparadha. Thank you, Krsna. That was truly acintya. P.S. I think you meant to say "he shall guide me from within so that I can act in a way that enables" Him to attain me.

That's nice, yadda yadda yadda, but that Bhagavatam purport sure makes some of those initial theories seem ridiculous. To me, anyway - just more wild fanatacism of children in light of that Bhagavatam purport. If that piece is so scholarly then why did it only take me ten minutes to find a Prabhupada quote that the author missed which completely vanquishes the sentimentalist theories? That don't impress me nohow as 'scholarly', clever or sincere. I just feels like ah bin played for a foo, saying Prabhupada didn't say this and didn't say that, yadda yadda yadda. So we get to the other book of the scholarly treatise. But why - to find out whether the Golden Age starts with Prabhupada or the ritviks or with Lord Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu? That question never even occurred to me. It's prajalpa, a waste of time. So am I trying to second guess a pure devotee of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Prabhupada, presuming I even know the source of his convictions? I am not that great. If I don't find it here or there still I can make no statements about whether it exists. There is certainly no need to exaggerate the glories of the sankirtana movement. No one can possibly describe its greatness. I would suggest that if you feel difficulty with Prabhupada's words, then forget about it and get on with your devotion - this is all taking you in the wrong direction, unless you plan to stay around hereabouts longer than 9,479 years.

Yep, sounds like a Hare Krishna guy to me.

SB 8.5.23p When KRSNa appeared, He gave His orders, and when KRSNa Himself appeared as a devotee, as SrI Caitanya MahAprabhu, He showed us the path by which to cross the ocean of Kali-yuga. That is the path of the Hare KRSNa movement. <B>When SrI Caitanya MahAprabhu appeared, He ushered in the era for the saGkIrtana movement. It is also said that for ten thousand years this era will continue</b>. This means that simply by accepting the saGkIrtana movement and chanting the Hare KRSNa mahA-mantra, the fallen souls of this Kali-yuga will be delivered. After the Battle of KurukSetra, at which Bhagavad-gItA was spoken, Kali-yuga continues for 432,000 years, of which only 5,000 years have passed. Thus there is still a balance of 427,000 years to come. Of these 427,000 years, <B>the 10,000 years of the saGkIrtana movement inaugurated by SrI Caitanya MahAprabhu 500 years ago provide the opportunity for the fallen souls of Kali-yuga to take to the KRSNa consciousness movement, chant the Hare KRSNa mahA-mantra and thus be delivered from the clutches of material existence and return home, back to Godhead.</b>

"Krishna knows the future because he has it planned out" One might conclude from this that there is no free will, that all is fated, predestined. Certainly such a creature would be very boring for Krsna. I would suggest that Sri Krsna knows the future not because our free will is illusion, but because Krsna really knows the future - He does not have to compute it based on some formula where these factors plus those factors necessary must produce this result. Of course karma in the conditioning modes may be seen as mechanical, but bhakti it is like an unexpected influence that shakes up the whole guna equation of karma. That unpredictable love must delight Sri Krsna.

If I search for the twenty-six qualities to determine which camp presents the truth, which camp comes from Sri Krsna, then it's quite clear which conclusions are not worth considering - right or wrong.

......... as much as not noticing or not offering obeisances when Krsna is present, as in a Deity arcana form or in a silagrama-sila. But maybe we can't recognize Him; hence our callous error, our disqualification.

Nitai-Gaura

As we get older and closer and further we tend to mellow or become nutz. If we have gained perspective, then we have mellowed, otherwise we end up hating everyone, stamping labels on them in our word-deep world. Myself, I am learning that I tend to expect too much of everyone, expect too much literacy, too much honesty, too much integrity, too much goodness, too much kindness, too much decency, too much compassion. I guess I've hung with the right crowd so long that the world as it is has become out of focus. Now I am more nonsectarian than ever. The only answer is surrender. What then, my friends?

Bob: Are the devotees beyond accumulating karma? These devotees--do they feel karma? Do they work in these modes? Are they in the mode of goodness? SrIla PrabhupAda: They are above goodness! Suddha-sattva. The devotees are not in this material world. They are in the spiritual world. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gItA: mAM ca yo 'vyabhicAreNa bhakti-yogena sevate sa guNAn samatItyaitAn brahma-bhUyAya kalpate [bg. 14.26] ["One who engages in full devotional service, who does not fall down in any circumstances, at once transcends the modes of material nature and thus comes to the level of Brahman."] Devotees are neither in goodness, passion nor ignorance. They are transcendental to all these qualities. http://vedabase.net/sb/1/2/19/en http://vedabase.net/sb/3/4/31/en http://vedabase.net/sb/3/15/15/en http://vedabase.net/sb/7/15/25/en http://vedabase.net/sb/9/19/25/en From Renunciation Through Wisdom In the Bhagavad-gItA Lord KRSNa says: prakRteH kriyamANAni guNaiH karmANi sarvazaH ahaGkAra-vimUDhAtmA kartAham iti manyate [bg. 3.27] The spirit soul bewildered by the influence of false ego thinks himself the doer of activities that are in actuality carried out by the three modes of material nature. Success in any activity depends on five essential factors: the place, the doer, the tools or senses, the endeavor, and finally the sanction of the Supreme Lord. Of these, the Supreme Lord's blessing is the most important. This sanction is enacted through the Supreme Lord's favorable supervision of His material energy, for it is by the Lord's will that material nature acts. <B>Material nature acts according to one's consciousness: when the living entity is under the influence of the three modes of nature, his actions are conducted by the Lord's external energy, the material nature. But when he is in transcendental coonsciousness, the zuddha-sattva state, his actions are conducted by the Lord's internal, spiritual potency. The living entity can choose to have his activities conducted by either the Lord's external energy or His internal energy. This is the extent of the jIva's minute independence.</b> The Journey of Self-Discovery SrIla PrabhupAda: But moral goodness is not enough, because simple morality will not satisfy the soul. One has to go above morality--to KRSNa consciousness. Of course, in this material world morality is taken as the highest principle, but there is another platform, which is called the transcendental (vAsudeva) platform. Man's highest perfection is on that platform, and this is confirmed in SrImad-BhAgavatam. However, because Western philosophers have no information of the vAsudeva platform, they consider the material mode of goodness to be the highest perfection and the end of morality. But in this world even moral goodness is infected by the lower modes of ignorance and passion. You cannot find pure goodness (zuddha-sattva) in this material world, for pure goodness is the transcendental platform. To come to the platform of pure goodness, which is the ideal, one has to undergo austerities (tapasA brahmacaryeNa zamena ca damena ca [sB 6.1.13]). One has to practice celibacy and control the mind and senses. If he has money, he should distribute it in charity. Also, one should always be very clean. In this way one can rise to the platform of pure goodness. There is another process for coming to the platform of pure goodness--and that is KRSNa consciousness. If one becomes KRSNa conscious, all the good qualities automatically develop in him. Automatically he leads a life of celibacy, controls his mind and senses, and has a charitable disposition. In this age of Kali, people cannot possibly be trained to engage in austerity. Formerly, a brahmacArI [celibate student] would undergo austere training. Even though he might be from a royal or learned family, a brahmacArI would humble himself and serve the spiritual master as a menial servant. He would immediately do whatever the spiritual master ordered. The brahmacArI would beg alms from door to door and bring them to the spiritual master, claiming nothing for himself. Whatever he earned he would give to the spiritual master, because the spiritual master would not spoil the money by spending it for sense gratification--he would use it for KRSNa. This is austerity. The brahmacArI would also observe celibacy, and because he followed the directions of the spiritual master, his mind and senses were controlled. Today, however, this austerity is very difficult to follow, so SrI Caitanya MahAprabhu has given the process of taking to KRSNa consciousness directly. In this case, one need simply chant Hare KRSNa, Hare KRSNa, KRSNa KRSNa, Hare Hare/ Hare RAma, Hare RAma, RAma RAma, Hare Hare and follow the regulative principles given by the spiritual master. Then one immediately rises to the platform of pure goodness. Lecture Summary Therefore bhakti means karma-jJAna-anAvRtam. AnyAbhilaSitA-zUnyaM jJAna-karmAdy-anAvRtam [brs. 1.1.11]. Don't try to approach God with your so-called speculative knowledge and fruitive activities, as people are trying to do. It is not possible. You may, by such activities, you can come to the platform of this sattva-guNa, sattva-guNa. But that is also guNa. You remain saguNa. You are not nirguNa. But you require to be nirguNa. That is bhakti. If you remain saguNa, you may come to the platform of sattva-guNa, the brahminical platform--satyaM zamaH damaH titikSA Arjavam, jJAnaM vijJAnam Astikyam. That is better platform to understand. SthitaM sattve prasIdati. You can understand, you can get light of the spiritual world, by sattva-guNa. But you have to surpass the sattva-guNa. That is called zuddha-sattva, untinted, without any tinge of these rajo-guNa and tamo-guNa. In the material world you may be situated on the brahminical qualification, sattva-guNa, but there is chance of being infected by the rajo-guNa and tamo-guNa. Therefore it is not zuddha-sattva, pure sattva. So you have to come to the platform of pure sattva-guNa. SattvaM vizuddhaM vasudeva-zabditam. That pure sattva, pure sattva-guNa, mode of goodness, is called vasudeva, and Vasudeva he gives birth to VAsudeva, KRSNa. So when you come to that platform, then you will be able to give birth to VAsudeva. That means you will meet VAsudeva. zuddha-sattva. SattvaM vizuddhaM vasudeva-zabditam. This is the process.

Theist, I would think that a person following Paramatma would after death pick up from there, but it appears from Prabhupada's letter below that such fortune is not necessarily guaranteed. It seems it depends on what the yogi was looking for when he realized the Supersoul: Tittenhurst 15 October, 1969 My Dear Brahmananda, Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter dated October 12, 1969 and have noted the contents. Regarding your question about Mantra 12 of Isopanisad, the verse as it is, is correct. The Absolute means Brahman, Paramatma and Bhagavan. When the Absolute is realized hazily it is Brahman. When the Absolute is realized more clearly it is Paramatma. And when the Absolute is realized distinctly it is Bhagavan. So Brahman, Paramatma and Bhagavan are different phases of the Absolute Truth. But the Bhagavan aspect of the Absolute Truth is distinct from everything. Those who worship the Brahman and Paramatma aspect of the Absolute Truth are in a dangerous position because they have every chance of again falling down into the lowest regions. This is because they are not fully purified, and the least trace of contaminated desire can cause havoc to one's progress. Just like one lit cigarette can cause a whole house to burn down, so incomplete knowledge of the whole Absolute Truth may not be able to save one from going to the darkest regions of ignorance. Isopanisad says that such persons who accept Brahman or Paramatma as the final word of God-realization will be ``still more'' condemned. This is because they are offenders of God and are very stubborn to accept the Supreme Personality. If one refuses to progress to understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead, then he is sure to fall down again into darkness. The worshippers of the demigods at least have fear of some higher personality, and that may eventually develop into fear of the Supreme Personality. But the impersonalists think that everything is Brahma, everyone is God, therefore they can do whatever they want; and that is a still more dangerous position. I think this will clear up the matter for you. I hope this will meet you in good health. Your ever well-wisher, A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami PS: Isopanisad means ``the knowledge that leads nearer to Krsna.'' I am returning herewith the Gita Press book you sent me for the Sanskrit Text. It is nice. http://vedabase.net/iso/12/en

Basically jivas gradually rise from the mode of ignorance into passion, then into goodness. After that they go beyond the three modes, nirguna - beyond the gunas, the brahma-bhUta platform. Lord Krishna explained to Arjuna that through bhakti-yoga the jiva becomes no longer conditioned by material nature: http://vedabase.net/bg/14/26/en . Their motivation now comes directly from the transcendental sphere. Krsna concludes: http://vedabase.net/bg/18/55/en

A picture is worth a thousand words, and a play or yet a flamboyant Krsna pastime is worth even more. The chariot is the body and it is drawn by the horse senses. The driving mechanism (the reins) is the mind. And the mind is controlled by the intelligence. Arjuna is fortunate to have his chariot driven by Lord Krishna directly. When we are conscious of Krsna, when we give Him the reins, then buddhi-yogam (divine inspiration from God - see BG 10.10) fills our intelligence, which controls the mind, which controls the senses, which lead the body. It's like that. The soul rides in the chariot of the body like that. Someone not conscious of Krsna will be carried away by his uncontrolled senses much like a chariot is dragged here and there by wild horses. Here is some more good horse sense: SB 7.15.41 Transcendentalists who are advanced in knowledge compare the body, which is made by the order of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, to a chariot. The senses are like the horses; the mind, the master of the senses, is like the reins; the objects of the senses are the destinations; intelligence is the chariot driver; and consciousness, which spreads throughout the body, is the cause of bondage in this material world. [ NOTE: The purport is very relevant to this discussion] SB 11.20.21 An expert horseman, desiring to tame a headstrong horse, first lets the horse have his way for a moment and then, pulling the reins, gradually places the horse on the desired path. Similarly, the supreme yoga process is that by which one carefully observes the movements and desires of the mind and gradually brings them under full control. Early Prabhupada Gem To be cent percent engaged in the transcendental service of the Lord is the real process of controlling the senses from the attraction of vices. The different senses of a man are different strategic positions of the enemy vice, which takes us to the miseries of life. The Karmis or the fruitive workers who have been described as the Mudhas or the foolish ignorant, is cent percent engaged in the matter of sense gratification. Because the citadel of Vices with soldiers like desire, anger and avarice is the mind, sense gratification means to follow the dictation of Mr. Vice. The Jnanins or the mental speculator philosopher are thousand and more better than the Karmis because they can understand the real position of sense gratification and therefore try to employ senses in a subtle form restraining the gross activities of the senses. By this action Mr. Vice becomes surrounded and he is stopped for the time being. The Yogins want to control the senses or to make direct attack on Mr. Vice and therefore the Yogins are thousand times better than the Jnanins. The Muktas or the liberated souls are still thousand times better than the jnanins and the yogins for the Muktas are completely free from the attack of Mr. Vice. And above the Muktas are situated the pure Bhaktas who not only drive away Mr. Vice from the citadels of senses but also engage the seats of senses for occupation by the Supreme Lord. The king of the senses is the master mind. Senses are like the horse and the mind is the coach man who directs the sense. The Bhaktas therefore first of all depose Mr. Vice, the coach man from the seat of the mind and place the lotus feet of Shri Krishna on the coach. When Shri Krishna becomes the coachman of the chariot of Arjuna there is no fear of the attack by Mr. Vice called by the name Duryodhana . The Bhagwat Geeta confirms this as follows in the words of Sanjaya, "where there is the master of all energies Shri Krishna and where there is a master devotee like Arjuna, undoubtedly there are blessings, victories, influence and morality." Conversation PrabhupAda: In BhAgavata it is very figuratively described that we have got this body and the different parts. Just like Arjuna is sitting on the chariot. There is chariot driver, there are horses, reins. There is field, and the arrow, and the bow. They have been figuratively. So this can be used for killing the enemies of our KRSNa Consciousness and then give up all this paraphernalia, chariot, we... Just like after fighting, only victory, then you kill them. And similarly this body is there, the mind is there, the senses are there. So utilize it for conquering over this material existence. And then give up this body and go back to home. TamAla KRSNa: Does the devotee, I mean just like you are always enthusing us to push on... PrabhupAda: That is sharpening your weapons. That is also described. By serving the spiritual master, you keep your weapon always sharpened. And then take help from KRSNa, the words of spiritual master sharpen weapon and yasya prasAdad bhagavata..., and the spiritual master is happy, then KRSNa immediately will help. He gives you strength. Suppose you got a sword, sharpened sword. But if you have no strength, what will you do with the sword? KRSNa will give you the strength, how to fight and kill the enemies. Everything is described. Therefore Caitanya MahAprabhu (said) guru-kRSNa-kRpAya, make your weapon sharpened by the instruction of the spiritual master and then KRSNa will give you strength, you'll be able to conquer. This figurative explanation I think last night I did. Here is a verse, acyuta bala, acyuta bala. Is PuSTa KRSNa here? Hari-zauri: (calls out) PuSTa KRSNa? PrabhupAda: We are soldiers of KRSNa, servants of Arjuna. Simply you will have to act accordingly, then you will finish up enemies. They have no power, although their number is hundred times. Just like Kurus and the PANDavas. They have no power, yatra yogezvaraH kRSNaH. Keep KRSNa in your side, then everything will be successful . Tatra zrIr vijayo bhUtiH. CC Madhya 9.98-102 The brAhmaNa replied, "I am illiterate and therefore do not know the meaning of the words. Sometimes I read the Bhagavad-gItA correctly and sometimes incorrectly, but in any case I am doing this in compliance with the orders of my spiritual master." The brAhmaNa continued, "Actually I only see Lord KRSNa sitting on a chariot as Arjuna's charioteer. Taking the reins in His hands, He appears very beautiful and blackish. "While seeing Lord KRSNa sitting in a chariot and instructing Arjuna, I am filled with ecstatic happiness. "As long as I read the Bhagavad-gItA, I simply see the Lord's beautiful features. It is for this reason that I am reading the Bhagavad-gItA, and my mind cannot be distracted from this." SrI Caitanya MahAprabhu told the brAhmaNa, "Indeed, you are an authority in the reading of the Bhagavad-gItA. Whatever you know constitutes the real purport of the Bhagavad-gItA." CC Antya 15.14-18 SrI Caitanya MahAprabhu said, "‘Though the hearts of the gopIs are like high-standing hills, they are inundated by the waves of the nectarean ocean of KRSNa's beauty. His sweet voice enters their ears and gives them transcendental bliss, the touch of His body is cooler than millions and millions of moons together, and the nectar of His bodily fragrance overfloods the entire world. O My dear friend, that KRSNa, who is the son of Nanda MahArAja and whose lips are exactly like nectar, is attracting My five senses by force.' "My mind is just like a single horse being ridden by the five senses of perception, headed by sight. Each of My senses wants to ride that horse, and thus they pull My mind in five directions simultaneously. In what direction will it go? If they all pull at one time, certainly the horse will lose its life. How can I tolerate this atrocity? "Lord SrI KRSNa's beauty, the sound of His words and the vibration of His flute, His touch, His fragrance and the taste of His lips are full of an indescribable sweetness. When all these features attract My five senses at once, My senses all ride together on the single horse of My mind but want to go in five different directions. "O My dear friend, please hear the cause of My misery. My five senses are actually extravagant rogues. They know very well that KRSNa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but they still want to plunder KRSNa's property. "My dear friend, if you say, ‘Just try to control Your senses,' what shall I say? I cannot become angry at My senses. Is it their fault? KRSNa's beauty, sound, touch, fragrance and taste are by nature extremely attractive. These five features are attracting My senses, and each wants to drag My mind in a different direction. In this way the life of My mind is in great danger, just like a horse ridden in five directions at once. Thus I am also in danger of dying.

Srila Prabhupada notes that whatever level of yogic advancement one achieves, he is known by that process. Hence, some are referred to as karma-yogis, some jnana-yogis, others astanga-yogis or dhyana-yogis (Paramatma-vadis), and some bhakti-yogis. The Absolute Truth is realized in three aspects: Brahman, Paramatma and Bhagavan [SB 1.2.11]. Each level corresponds respectively to the actualzation of the jiva's true sat, cit and ananda nature. Although transcendental Himself, Paramatma manifests only within the material worlds of the mahat-tattvas. God directly is the Lord of the spiritual world. So while the yogi follows caitya-guru Paramatma, he has yet to reach the end of his training. And the goal of all yogic processes is the absolute surrender to Sri Krsna. That is the sadhaka, the devotee, the vaishnava. Sa mahatma sudurlabhah. [BG 7.19]

Such a complex topic which even Babaji avoids answering directly, yet we will risk all for our fancy in ridiculing our good brothers. This is not the cleverness of a wise man; such humility will not fall at Krsna's lotus feet.

When the administrator deletes a post he usually leaves a note about it there. Are you sure the post was there or it is not somewhere else still? I can't see you writing anything worthy of deletion, CCC.

We exist.

It might seem that as Srila Prabhupada said the weapons will be used. But it seems the US and Russia gave them to others and said "Let's you and him fight".

Is it like MENSA?

The modes of nature are meant to fix us up too. We put our hand in a flame, and it hurts. Then we won't do it again. So it was good that it hurt, otherwise we'd leave it in the flame until it was charcoal. It's all Krsna's mercy, no matter how bad it seems at the time. But surrendering shifts us into another gear. A faster gear. We can skip getting burned by karma so many many times. It's like the picture on the cover of the Bhagavad-gita. When Krsna drives the chariot then success is assured; otherwise the horse senses drag us anywhere and everywhere, and we will end up getting burned.

Atheism (Tamo Guna) Mental Speculation Mundane Religion Karma Yoga Astanga Yoga Bhakti Yoga SURRENDER ...... free of the earth's gravitational pull

One dharma; one path. But different settings and speeds depending on the current qualification, the acquired nature of the jiva. Trees can't ride bicycles, children can't ride motorcycles and most adults can't pilot jet planes. So we acquire different vehicles of differing speeds to get up that mountain. There is only one path up that mountain, but we travel it differently depending on our capability. One peak; one path. One God - and surrender. Lord Krishna explains in the Bhagavad-gita verse 4.11 that everyone follows His path: <center> ye yathA mAM prapadyante tAMs tathaiva bhajAmy aham mama vartmAnuvartante manuSyAH pArtha sarvazaH </center> ye--all who; yathA--as; mAm--unto Me; prapadyante--surrender ; tAn--them; tathA--so; eva--certainly; bhajAmi--reward; aham--I; mama--My; vartma--path; anuvartante--follow; manuSyAH--all men; pArtha--O son of PRthA; sarvazaH--in all respects. As all surrender unto Me, I reward them accordingly. Everyone follows My path in all respects , O son of PRthA. PURPORT Everyone is searching for KRSNa in the different aspects of His manifestations. KRSNa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is partially realized in His impersonal brahmajyoti effulgence and as the all-pervading Supersoul dwelling within everything, including the particles of atoms. But KRSNa is fully realized only by His pure devotees. Consequently, KRSNa is the object of everyone's realization, and thus anyone and everyone is satisfied according to one's desire to have Him. In the transcendental world also, KRSNa reciprocates with His pure devotees in the transcendental attitude, just as the devotee wants Him. One devotee may want KRSNa as supreme master, another as his personal friend, another as his son, and still another as his lover. KRSNa rewards all the devotees equally, according to their different intensities of love for Him. In the material world, the same reciprocations of feelings are there, and they are equally exchanged by the Lord with the different types of worshipers. The pure devotees both here and in the transcendental abode associate with Him in person and are able to render personal service to the Lord and thus derive transcendental bliss in His loving service. As for those who are impersonalists and who want to commit spiritual suicide by annihilating the individual existence of the living entity, KRSNa helps also by absorbing them into His effulgence. Such impersonalists do not agree to accept the eternal, blissful Personality of Godhead; consequently they cannot relish the bliss of transcendental personal service to the Lord, having extinguished their individuality. Some of them, who are not firmly situated even in the impersonal existence, return to this material field to exhibit their dormant desires for activities. They are not admitted into the spiritual planets, but they are again given a chance to act on the material planets. For those who are fruitive workers, the Lord awards the desired results of their prescribed duties, as the yajJezvara; and those who are yogIs seeking mystic powers are awarded such powers. In other words, <b><font color=blue>everyone is dependent for success upon His mercy alone, and all kinds of spiritual processes are but different degrees of success on the same path</b></font>. Unless, therefore, one comes to the highest perfection of KRSNa consciousness, all attempts remain imperfect, as is stated in the SrImad-BhAgavatam (2.3.10): <center> akAmaH sarva-kAmo vA mokSa-kAma udAra-dhIH tIvreNa bhakti-yogena yajeta puruSaM param </center> "Whether one is without desire [the condition of the devotees], or is desirous of all fruitive results, or is after liberation, one should with all efforts try to worship the Supreme Personality of Godhead for complete perfection, culminating in KRSNa consciousness."

Some will argue that we must preserve the good karma these people incurred by offering to Srila Prabhupada's mission. We should protect these fortunate people from themselves. But is this just rhetoric? Is it still good karma? Are we worthy? We need to search our souls. We need to address the reasons we have lost their faith in us. We need to do something about it - or lose everything. Property means nothing. Bricks do not make a church.

If someone gave a valuable farm to ISKCON and years later they wanted it back, then give it back. What are we - thieves? Is con? Or is God? You tell me.

I'm afraid that's a lesson to all. And there are so many lessons out there - buyer beware. I got my lesson from the money-changer-uppers in Chicago airport. Too many kooks and whackos and poseurs are attracted to being holy priests overnight. If I was raped like these people, I would bring them down - Krsna would bring them down. Krsna will bring them down, like He did the child abusers. Some of them just don't realize it's God we're dealing with here - even though that is what they preach for their supper.