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    Really no different than a muslim quoting the Quran to a Vaishnava to prove Allah's supremacy over Vishnu/Krishna.

     

    Cheers

     

    As pointed out by Bhaktajan this comparison is TERRIBLE.

    This is the reason why.Krishna doesnt make a person not beleiving in him go to hell.

     

    <!--[if gte mso 10]> .......> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} ........> <![endif]-->BG 7.21: I am in everyone's heart as the Supersoul. As soon as one desires to worship some demigod(deva), I make his faith steady so that he can devote himself to that particular deity. BG 7.22: Endowed with such a faith, he endeavors to worship a particular demigod(deva) and obtains his desires. But in actuality these benefits are bestowed by Me alone.

    <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> saying that he benefits people who worship demigods(devas).

    But who aspires to reach godhead(of vishnu) will worship him alone.

    BG 5.29: A person in full consciousness of Me, knowing Me to be the ultimate beneficiary of all sacrifices and austerities, the Supreme Lord of all planets and demigods(devas), and the benefactor and well-wisher of all living entities, attains peace from the pangs of material miseries.

    See, no jealousy, no vengeance .No threats of torture in hell.

     

     

    Now coming to the other one:

     

     

    Quran: 004.056 Pikthal Lo! Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to theFire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment. Lo! Allah is ever Mighty,

    Wise.

    009.073

    : O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be

    harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end.

    009.029

    Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as

    believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah

    hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth,

    until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

    009.030 And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say:

    The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their

    mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah

    (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Well, I didn't say that, now did I? I just said that it was more scientific in some aspects.

     

    Deity=god. You're just kind of restating my point.

     

     

    In What aspects advaita is considered scientific by scientific community.Can you Explain in scientific terms.Did any group of scientists conduct experiments to validate advaitan philosphy??.Did any scientist publish an article in reputed scientific journals advocating advaitan theiry.

     

    Also explain your statement Deity=god.

     

    Feel free to open a seperate thread .

     

    Till now you had a jolly good time commenting and condemning hinduism; now give others opportunity to dissect your thought.

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    But say one negative thing about a Vaishnava - even if the statement has nothing to do with Vaishnavism - and you go straight to hell. How very self-serving.

    Who said they said that the critics are going to hell??

    Ofcourse you are no advaitan is clear from your posts.Advaitans close to being atheists dont bother because what some iskonites or vaishanavites going to think or say is'nt going to effect them a bit.

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    chandu ,

    you have proven yourself worse than the most dogmatic religious fundamentalists.

     

    Pot calling the kettle black :P

     

     

    would it please you if i say that im a muslim ???? if it would then please understand as such and keep shut. dont bring up the same old topic again and again in your every post.

     

    Dishonesty doesn't please anybody especially in a spiritual forum.Come clean.

     

    You still haven't answered my question.I.e. why did u post malicious and hateful interpretation of rigveda hymns.

     

     

     

    hereafter you wont get my replies in this matter.

     

    This is the second time i am hearing this :P.

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    Pakistani intelligence chiefs have admitted that the terrorists involved in last week’s attack on Mumbai were Pakistani nationals the US has told India. Meanwhile, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has reportedly warned Pakistan to act urgently "otherwise, the US will act”.

     

    (http://www.zeenews.com/nation/2008-12-06/488831news.html).

     

    Now please all those conspiracy theorists learn the reality.:smash:

     

    Pakistan navy made the preparations for the terrorists travel to mumbai.

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    SO WHAT ????????????

     

    does it really matter what faith i belong here. the forum is called spiritual discussions. i dont think any particular faith has the exclusive right to spirituality.

     

    No it doesnt matter which faith,but honesty matters.Thanks for admitting it finally.There was a honest muslim with id paarsurrey who gave his opinions openly in this forum.

     

    Ofcourse i dont mind exposing dishonest people like you.

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    now calling satvik bhavas as emotional exopression disorders clearly doesnt seem to suggest a respect towrds her.

    Of course i have no special regard for delusional people".That doesn't mean i am abusing.

     

     

     

    once again you said , "She immediately began to recite portions of the Quran, and to perform the Namaj ritual (Muslim prayers).."

    WHATS WRONG IN THAT ?!!!!!!!!!!!

    Ofcourse it is wrong to give her example to a person who is asking for info on sanatana dharma.

     

    Now are u going to come out of your sleeper mode and show true colors??

    You exposed yourself at the thread http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/spiritual-discussions/449697-marriages-gods-2.html

     

    where u quoted malicious interpretation of rigveda lifted straight from rabid antihindu sites.

     

     

    I) Pushan is the lover of his sister [Rg Ved VI.55.4][Apte 11]

     

    II)Agni is the lover of his own sister [Rg Ved X.3.3][Apte 11]

     

    III) Ashvins are referred to as the sons of Savitar and Ushas who are brother and sister [Apte 11].

     

    IV) The Ashvisns married Surya and Savitri who is their sister [RV I.116.19].

     

    V) Agni is the son of his father and his sister [Rg Ved.I.91.7]

     

    VI) Yama wards off his sister Yami, saying marriage between brother and sister is forbidden [R.V.X.10][Apte 11]

     

     

    these are some of the places where the 'incest relationship' might have been suggested as according to the original post.i shall attempt to proove them wrong. i would like to say this to all people here that i dont remember the original text as i read rig veda quite a long time ago.i got these texts from a different source.

    and after i exposed u with the original texts of rigveda u reveal

     

     

    but as far as i can recall it might have been a muslim site.

     

    Gullible people who fall for sambya's bait and bash tactics should read the post i mentioned above.

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    Thank you for enlightening the world fellas.

     

    It is a pity, you two were not born a thousand year earlier. The face of Indian religion would have been completely different.

     

    India definitely needs more bright guys like you. Keep it coming!

     

    Cheers

     

    I am searching for enlightened posts of kaisersose on advaitan philisophy to no awail till now.

    kaisersose could you direct me to your specific posts on Advaitan philosphy.

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    In which case, people should really be quoting the Bhagavatam, do you agree?

     

    Yes offcourse.Bhagavata Purana the work of Vyasa who compiled vedas.

     

     

    If the Tapani's sole claim to validity is conformance with the Bhagavatam, the Bhagavatam being alive and well, considerably more popular and much more easily accessible, there is no reason to be quoting a 14th century Tapani Upanishad instead.

     

    I agree with you on this.But since u asked for upanishads he might have quoted it

     

     

    And so now, the question is, do all Hindus consider/use the Bhagavatam as an authority? The answer is no for the majority as is the case with any scripture.

     

    Wrong.All the great acharyas-Sankara, Ramanuja, Madhva including Sri Caitanya(obviously) agree that Bhagavatha is sruti.Unless u are referring to 1800 century arya samaj.

    And as that is the case, does it make sense to be quoting sectarian texts like the Gita and the SB

     

    Sectarian texts? what nonsense.

     

     

    to prove Vaishnava supremacy to all Hindus in general? No.

     

    Perhaps now you see the point.

     

    Please refer to my earlier posts.I objected vehemently to this long time ago(in this forum).I dont have to read your posts to learn this.

     

     

    The vaishnavas may say vaishnavism is superior, but that is not going to shed any blood or cause loss of faith in hindus.

     

    You are making much ado about nothing.:smash:

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    Here are the ABCs of Upanishads for your education.

     

    There are 11 Upanishads whose antiquity is undisputed*. In other words, their claim to being associated with a Veda is accepted as legitimate. For your convenience, here they are,

     

    Aitareya

    Brihadaranyaka

    Taittiriya

    Chandogya

    Kena

    Ishavasya

    Shwetashvatara

    Katha

    Mundaka

    Mandukya

    Prasna

     

    No Upanishad outside this set of eleven, has universal acceptance. They are usually accepted as authentic by small communities or in most cases, they are defunct and not in use.

     

    gopala-Tapani is in agreement with Bhagavatam.

     

     

    The Tapani Upanishads are dated as 14th Century AD or later. Their names never appear anywhere before that time. If people want to believe that 14th century upanishads can be part of the Atharvana Veda

     

    People can have a reason to beleive in gopala tapani because it is in agreement with Bhagavatham.

     

     

    *undisputed by whom, one may ask. The answer is, by traditional schools of Vedic thought (those who take the Upanishads seriously, i.e., Advaita, Dvaita and V-Dvaita) and modern scholarship as well. Obviously, opinions of people outside this group matter little, as they usually come with no evidence.

     

     

    May be or may be not.

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    Energy and the fact that it can be neither created nor destroyed is proven by science. Advaita revolves around this concept.

    That doesnt make advaitha true in all aspects when scientific rigor is applied

     

     

    Science hasn't proven that deity exists, which makes the worship of deities an unscientific matter.

     

    Science didnt prove that god exists either.

     

     

    It is a spiritual matter, not a scientific one. That doesn't make it a bad thing. It's just more spiritual than scientific, in my opinion.

     

    Spirituality of advaitan kind(of any kind,for that matter) is also not recognized by science.

     

     

    It's spiritual. I wouldn't necessarily consider all paths of yoga scientific.

     

    There is also no evidence that yoga is a product of scientific rigor, nevertheless people derive benefit from it.Science is validating some measurable benefits of yoga,though.

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    The Gopala Tapani Upanishad is not considered an authentic Upanishad.

     

    Considered by whom???? by Kaiserose?

     

     

     

    The Brahma Samhita is a Gaudiya Vaishnava Text. If it were not for the internet, non-Gaudiya Vaishnavas would never even have heard of the text.

     

    Terrific argument..Wow

     

     

    Just FYI, Krishna and Rama are not mentioned in any Veda.

     

    Ofcourse many things are not mentioned in vedas. So?

     

     

    And more important - the Veda is not a common scripture for all Hindus.

     

    Ohhhh ...

     

     

    And finally the most important piece of info of all of this - There exists *no* single common scripture or Bible for all Hindus.

     

    Every body knows this Important piece of information.The gita talks about Vedas and upanishads.

     

    Thanks for bringing that anyway

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    remember prabhu how many of us so called Krishna bhaktas become offensive to others while trying to prove our own point to them and to keep our selves above everyone else! I was offensive to a true Shiva bhakta once in order to heavily preach him. He looked a bit annoyed and I told him that I don't care about people like him. Soon within a week's time, I fell very sick and spent rest of the month in bed. That was the punishment Krishna sent me. So I became very careful about it afterwards. This was a Shiva sadhu who came for alms. I soon learnt that their philosophy looks different, but in essence is good and liberating too. I read on really great impersonalist saints and Shaiva saints!! How can I be offensive towards them? Is Krishna limited only to his small cowboy form alone? The universal form doesn't seem to show that at all!

    All glories to Harinaam!!

    Haril bol!!

     

    Profound.Thanks for the Post Yogkriya.

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