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    A close study of two early texts in Buddhism and Brahmanism show that Buddha and Vishnu are two separate beings.

     

    What Texts?.Buddha's teachings have nothing to do with God(s).

     

     

     

     

    In the Maha-samya Sutta there was an occasion when the devas from almost all the planes came to see the Buddha

     

    There is no such sutta taught by Buddha.

     

     

     

    The Venhu Sutta shows Vishnu as one of the young devas who came to visit and talked with the Buddha:

     

    Again no such sutta taught by Buddha.

     

     

     

     

    According to "Hinduism and Buddhism An Historical Sketch", Sir Charles Elliot who was a British diplomat mentioned that this correlates with the Rig Veda text before Hinduism started. Both texts mentioned that Vishnu and Shiva are minor deities instead of the Lords of the Universe as popularly known by worshippers:

     

    Lord Vishnu is the one who gives names to all devas.There are innumerable threads in indiadivine threads showing quotes from rigveda.

     

     

    The Pali Pitakas frequently introduce popular deities , but give no prominence to Vishnu and Siva. They are apparently mentioned under the names of Venhu and Isana, but are not differentiated from a host of spirits now forgotten. ….The suttas of the Digha Nikaya in which these lists of deities occur were perhaps composed before 300 B.C. "- Sir Charles Elliot

     

    Sir elliot has a problem reading scriptures.Dieties are irrelevent in Buddhas teaching.

     

    The maitthreya buddha and all such extra literature are NOT recognised as Buddha teachings.

     

     

     

     

    Which pali cannons?.

     

     

     

    Another nonsense.Buddha consciously refrains from mentioning God(s).Buddha delinks creator to life all together.


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    Namaste,

     

    I had actually ordered online as while it is possible to get ghee here, most of the Indian grocers are far from my part of the city.

     

    In regards to using vegetable oil, is the wick still prepared the same way, by soaking it and what not?

     

    Hari Om!

     

    Namaste,

     

    As i understand sesame oil wick preparation is same as that for Ghee.

     

    Also please go through this article(Why is ghee lamp preferred to oil lamp during puja ritual? | Introductory Articles


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    And so the obvious point is the one Supreme God the Muslims and Christians and Indian Vaisnava's call out to by different names is the same God although the understanding of the nature of that God by the adherents of different religions may be on different levels of maturity.

     

     

     

    Maturity, yes.

     

    The mature islamic god called Allah advocates killing christians and jews unless they pay Punitive tax(Jizya) unless OR worship Allah of Quran and accept Muhammad as the Final messenger.

     

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    Y: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor

    acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

     

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    Y: The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!.

     

    Very Mature indeed.


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    you have not answered my questions !!

    No, i am not falling in to the trap of your's trying to side track the issue;namely all paths are valid

     

     

    anyways , i will give you an advice how to tackle this problem .

    publish nice and attractive pamplhets about how ramakrishna's teachings eventually led to the mass destruction of hindus under sultunate rule in an era that is atleast 300 years before ramakrishna

    It is foolish on your part to assume Rk's teachings have any thing to do with what happened before.

     

     

    or how his words provided direct cause that led to the social imbalances or how he brainwashed gandhi and nehru by appearing in their dreams, and distribute in front of delhi station to see is it works .
    R.K didn't appear in those people's dreams.Atleast they didnt say anything to that effect.You cannot resist posting rubbish and unintelligent comments.Don't you?

     

     

    I merely said

    "Because of gurus like R.k.,".

    He is not the only one who perpetuated this myth.

     

    how his words provided direct cause that led to the social imbalances
    I am not talking about imbalances.I am talking about Large scale massacres and rapes .Had the Gandhis and nehrus were aware of the theology of Killing for God they would have approved of partition before Violence or would have Amassed troops on streets to put the Murderous mobs in control.

     

    And the thoughts of the Likes of RK's have prevented them from exploring that angle.Got it?

     

     

    since you have discovered such an important thing it is your moral responsibility to inform people about it
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    That is what i am doing.But i am not the only one.There are plenty of people out there.

     

     

     

    enjoy......
    No, it is not an enjoyable thing to do.

  5. Dear Lovealliance,

     

    My intense aversion with the "end of the world" theories might have showed through my posts.

    As you suspected i have not gone through your post but i am responding to hindusthani.

     

    As per hindu scriptures the world is not going to end any time soon.Jndji made an elaborate post somewhere.

     

    We have at least 2 billion years to go before everything merges in to God and a new cycle begins after a considerably long time.

    The following link could give some idea.

    Re: Yuga


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    ah , back to islam and its vices ! how old are you chandu ? were you by any chance a victim of 1947 riots of india ? perhaps that is what makes you so hateful towards them .

     

    evidence ? what evidence ? which evidence ? what was the crime ?

     

    I am not that old.But i am not somebody like a neohindu who wants to forget what happened and what is happening.It is not just 1947.It is also what happened before where millions of hindus were massacred and millions more were sold as slaves.This is the proof i am talking about and the theological basis for it as explained in another thread.

     

    firstly you have not clarified what you understand by the term education .

    now i ask you one more thing - what do you understand by ignorance ? if you have even the basic knowledge and faith in hindu scriptures you shall immideately acknowledge that it is brahmagyan that if knowledge and rest all ignorance .

     

    Brahmagyan doesn't mean behaving like a delusional person as evident from the wikipedia link i gave above.You are an expert in dodging the subject and filling the page with trash.

     

    My basic objection to R.K's teachings is his [n]ignorance which is mistaken as spirituality has masked the imminent dangers of a blood thirsty theology.This kind of ignorance perpetuated has caught Hindus unaware and led to massacre and rapes in 1947.

     

    Because of gurus like R.k., Gandhis and nehrus were caught unawares during Partition massacres.


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    he said " you cannot feel the bottom of a bucket if you randomly dip your hands everywhere
    Sure, but you cannot feel the bottom when you didn't even touch the surface.

     

    This is how he felt the Bucket of water.

     

    Ramakrishna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "Ramakrishna said that he "devoutly repeated the name of Allah, wore a cloth like the Arab Moslems, said their prayer five times daily, and felt disinclined even to see images of the Hindu gods and goddesses, much less worship them—for the Hindu way of thinking had disappeared altogether from my mind."[68] According to Ramakrishna, after three days of practice he had a vision of a "radiant personage with grave countenance and white beard resembling the Prophet and merging with his body".[69]"

     

    No quote whatsoever from quran or other islamic scriptures.


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    he said " you cannot feel the bottom of a bucket if you randomly dip your hands everywhere

     

    Sure, but you cannot feel the bottom when you didn't even touch the surface.

     

    This is how he felt the Bucket of water.

     

    Ramakrishna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "Ramakrishna said that he "devoutly repeated the name of Allah, wore a cloth like the Arab Moslems, said their prayer five times daily, and felt disinclined even to see images of the Hindu gods and goddesses, much less worship them—for the Hindu way of thinking had disappeared altogether from my mind."[68] According to Ramakrishna, after three days of practice he had a vision of a "radiant personage with grave countenance and white beard resembling the Prophet and merging with his body".[69]"

     

    No quote whatsoever from quran or other islamic scriptures.


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    ramakrishna never preached or advocated killing or any sinfull activites

     

    Nobody accused him of that.But he endorsed a religion that advocates killing for god, which makes him ignorant since he is a non-violent person.

     

    This is where education plays a role.Claim of spirituality cannot be a guard for ignorance.I am objecting to the ignorance of RK and the large scale embrace of this ignorance by hindu population .

     

     

    he did not ask to randomly worship every god present in hinduism

     

    I have no problem with that.Dont bring unrelated issues in to discussion and cloud the subject.

     

     

    no i dont admit he was wrong

     

    Sure, you would not, despite the evidence presented. And because of people like you who perpetuate this nonsense Hindus continue to suffer and have no clue what has hit them and what continues to hit them.


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    and the last post of mine was to make you understand how you have deviated from what i was actually talking about .

     

    I perfectly understood what you are talking about and u used Ramakrishna quotes to drive home your point.This is where i differ with your Guru.

     

     

    well, though it has nothing to do with what i tried to convey i shall answer your questions out of my generosity !

     

    Thanks for your generosity.I question i raised is specifically related to R.K. hamsa quote you provided.

     

     

    no is the answer .... no one can reach god by killing out of envy or hatred . in fact hatred itself is a great impediment to god ...

    Then you admit R.K. was wrong when he referred to a religion that celebrates killing unbeleivers as a sure way to reach Heaven(Quran 9:111)

     

     

    illustration : the kind of hatred a christian missionaries might have towards a hindu

     

    No, the christian missionaries don't show that much hatred towards a hindu.Love the sinner but hate the sinner is their motto.They hate your beliefs not as much You.The missionaries are trying to save you from eternal hell.Their theology tells them that a hindu like you has no hope for salvation.They are simply following their theology.Nothing personal there.

     

    or

     

     

    the kind of hatred that you have towards christians and muslims .

    I am unabashed in discussing their theology.If i come across as a hater let it be.I am not trying to win some popularity contest.

     

     

     

     

    i agree and neither it was on ramakrishna's list .
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    Rama krishna was a simple saintly person but uneducated.Being uneducated he should have refrained from passing those comments he made.everybody knows which religions he was referring to.I don't have any qualms in making it bare;

     

     

    sentimental ? are you not ?

    Not much.

     

     

    yes i am sentimental about what i follow and whom i follow . everyone is sentimental about it ! and if he is not then he is anything but spiritual . spirituality , sentiment and emotions go hand in hand my friend !

    But you cannot hide falsehood under sentiment.

    If you think hurting other people sentiments is bad you would have refrained making several comments against prabhupada.

    Dont follow double standards.

     

     

    just like you are also sentimental in a negative way towards muslims christians , 'neo hindus' and ramakrishna followers and in a positive way towards hare krishnas ...... see it ? simple !!

     

    I am brutally honest(in matters of theology).Nothing negative about that.I back up with proofs for what i say.

     

    Yes, i am positive about Hk's(not towards shills and noobs,though) cause they have neither killed millions of hindus nor they express their intention to do so in Future.

     

    Nothing sentimental about my approach.


  11. Tafsir continued(Next page)

    Now comes Prophet Muhammad's statement:

     

    The Prophet said:

    (He who fights so that Allah's Word is superior, then he fights in Allah's cause.) In addition, it is reported in the Two Sahihs:

     

     

     

    (I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight the people until they proclaim, `None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. Whoever said it, then he will save his life and property from me, except for cases of the law, and their account will be with Allah.)

     

     

    Clear?.This is a statement from Muhammad not an interpretation of some scholar;

     

     

    Life and property will be saved.

     

     

     

    Here is the actual Hadith number:Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24)


  12. Tafsir continues:

    The purpose is

    and the religion (all and every kind of worship) is for Allah (Alone).)

     

    Here is the complete explanation:

     

    Allah then commanded fighting the disbelievers when He said: (...until there is no more Fitnah) meaning, Shirk. This is the opinion of Ibn `Abbas, Abu Al-`Aliyah, Mujahid, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ar-Rabi`, Muqatil bin Hayyan, As-Suddi and Zayd bin Aslam.

    Allah's statement:

    (...and the religion (all and every kind of worship) is for Allah (Alone).) means, `So that the religion of Allah becomes dominant above all other religions.

     

     

     

     

    Note: when it says Allah's statement it refers to Actual verse in quran.


  13. Tafsir continues:Tafsir Ibn Kathir - Quran Tafsir - Shirk is worse than Killing

     

    Since Jihad involves killing and shedding the blood of men, Allah indicated that these men are committing disbelief in Allah, associating with Him (in the worship) and hindering from His path, and this is a much greater evil and more disastrous than killing. Abu Malik commented about what Allah said:

     

    Note//disbelievers are a hindrance for Allah//

     

    tafsir continued:

     

    (And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) Meaning what you (disbelievers) are committing is much worse than killing.'' Abu Al-`Aliyah, Mujahid, Sa`id bin Jubayr, `Ikrimah, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak and Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said that what Allah said:(And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) "Shirk (polytheism) is worse than killing.''

     

    //The disbeleivers are committing a sin worshipping other's besides Allah.and the punishment is given in first two lines//.

     

    repeated again

    Since Jihad involves killing and shedding the blood of men


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    Another Good Place - URL : kill

     

    “There is a declaration of immunity from Allah and His Messenger to those of the pagans with whom you have contracted mutual alliances.

     

    Immunity is for muhammad from obliging the treaty of no war.

     

    Go then, for four months, to and fro throughout the land. But know that you cannot frustrate Allah that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him.” [surah al-Tawbah: 1-2]

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    Did you understand that Allah will cover the unbelievers with shame with the help of muslims.

     

     

     

    .We have demonstrated that it is a principle in Islam that there is no compulsion in religion and we have discussed the objectives of jihad. Now, we shall turn our attentions to some texts that are often misunderstood.

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    Correct .nobody is compelled or tortured to become muslim but those who reject Allah will be put to death.They can escape death if they quote 9:5 repent, and

    establish regular prayers (To allah obviously) unquote..

    “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight(//Slay is the word//) the pagans wherever you find them, and seize them and beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war). But if they repent and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them, for Allah is oft-forgiving, most merciful.” [surah al-Tawbah: 5]

     

    The people being referred to by this verse are the pagan Arabs who had been waging war against the Prophet (peace be upon him) and who had broken their covenant and treaties with him.This verse is not speaking about the other pagan Arabs who did not break their treaties and take up arms against the Muslims.

     

    The so called Pagan arabs waging a war against muslims means not accepting Muhammad as Allah's messenger.The pagan(qureshi) arabs didn't fight with muhammad.they simply expelled him.

     

    It is also most definitely not speaking about the Jews or Christians, or, for that matter, the pagans who were living outside of Arabia.
    That is correct.9:5 is not speaking about christians or Jews.There is another verse that deals with them specifically.

    that is 9:29

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    Y: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel

    themselves subdued.

     

    The next page deals with who are the enemies of Muslims.


  15. Smaranam,

     

    You should have some patience while dealing with a serious theology matter

     

     

    HOW DOES THE ABOVE EXPLAIN WHY AURANGZEB AND MUGHULS RAIDED BHARAT ?
    If you have persisted in continuing reading the tafsir and browsed to the next page(www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=234) you would have found who are to be fought.

     

    quote

     

    Fight for the sake of Allah and fight those who disbelieve in Allah.

     

    unquote..

     

    So, bharath is a legitimate target because they disbelieved in Muhammad's Allah.Got it?

    continuing with the next line.

     

    "Fight, but do not steal (from the captured goods)"

    Don't steal means wait till the BOOTY is distributed(chapter 8) by muhammad.


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    im just pointing out theist's accute shortage of intelligence !!

     

    i'll illustrate it -

     

    thiest's and iskcon traditional and much taught view :

    I am talking about your guru's quote Yato..

     

     

     

    'yato mat tato path is absolutely invalid
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    Yes, ofcourse.You have not answered to my objection that killers and slave makers theology cannot lead you to god.

    Yes or no? be specific.

     

     

    that is there can never be many ways to god .

     

    There are many ways to god(krishna himself says that).

    Killing people and enslaving their women and children are not on my approval list.

     

     

    ramakrishna was the greatest misguider that ever existed in this earth because he said all gods are equal
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    Instead of getting sentimental consider answering the specific question.

     

    Can a religion that advocates murdering unbelievers be considered as a valid path to god?

    yes or No?


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    Have these people ever wondered whether the Holy wars they are permitted to wage could be symbolic ?

     

    The answer is No.They read the Quran's interpretation give in Tafsirs and hadiths which contain muhammad's actions and his interpretations of quranic verses.It seems nobody suggested to them they should not take Muhammad's word at face value.

    Go through the tafsir at Tafsir Ibn Kathir - Quran Tafsir - Home

    and here is the tafsir page for Jihad

    Tafsir Ibn Kathir - Quran Tafsir - Shirk is worse than Killing

     

    It says Shirk is worse than killing.Shirk is associating partners with Allah,in plain english it means worshipping anybody besides Allah.Go through the verses .


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    I've been having an odd experience lately.

     

    I'm not a Shaivite, but sometimes I chant "Om Nama Shivaya" and every time I do, I have a period of deep confusion and perplexion waiting for me. Once I did it and for days afterward I had the strong urge to become a Catholic! Only after I said Catholic prayers did it go away!

     

    Is Shiva playing some kind of game with me suddenly? I always had thoughtfulness after chanting to Shiva before, but nothing like this.

     

    confusion is in ur mind.It appears you have a guilty consciousness deep inside for having interest in hinduism.Btw, Shiva is not a playful god.


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    I do not have a lot of knowledge at all, to talk to scholars like yourself, also don't have a lot of time to continue right now, nevertheless....

    I am not a scholar.I am just more clued than you on what other religions teach.

     

     

    There is spirituality and there is religiosity, or wrong kind of religiosity.

    "Their kind of bhakti" is not spirituality. They are disjoint from the Supersoul.

     

    Well, the terrorists think people like you follow wrong kind of worship(Murti worship, for instance), which is backed up by their scriptures and the understanding of the theologists of their scriptures.

     

     

     

    Rumi the Sufi Saint was aligned with Him. Terrorists ? You know the answer.

     

    You should know sufism( including the rumi variety) is not recognized as mainstream.


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    We hate terror not terrorists. Terrorists are in total seperation from God and they need sympathy and education and bhakti. Its mostly a question of

    "But who will bell the cat ?"

     

    I read terrorists proclaim "god is great" while going on a killing spree.The terrorists and their masterminds have god on their mind at least 5 times a day.The heads of these terrorist organizations are religious scholars and are deeply immersed in Bhakthi(of their variety)

     

    It is actually ignoramuses like you who need sympathy.

    Now the question is who will educare people like you?.

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